https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/tinto-maps-20-the-steppes-feedback.1763612/

Hello, and welcome one more week to another Tinto Maps Feedback post! Today, we will be reviewing the region of the Steppes, before tomorrow's look at the Golden Horde and Horde-related content in Tinto Flavour.

In this review, we focused a lot on pops, as they were not in line with the usual benchmark we have for most of the regions. You might notice a lot of changes in the cultural and religious maps, therefore. However, there are still some loose ends, so we're currently working towards adding some more minorities here and there. Thus, any additional feedback on this matter will be appreciated, as we will be able to implement stuff quickly from this feedback review.

And here you have the maps:

Countries:

Dynasties:

Country Ranks & Government Types:

Societies of Pops:

Locations:

Provinces:

Areas:

Climate:

Topography:

Vegetation:

Development:

Harbors:

Cultures:

Some cultural minorities have already been added and present here and there, and more work is ongoing here.

Religions:

This now looks much nicer, with a Tengrist majority in most of the Horde, some more Folk religions added, minorities here and there, etc.

Languages:

Common language and court language.

>>2056932
Ugh, I can't wait to switch to Tengri and kill every single Islamic pop

Raw Materials:

Markets:

And that's all for today! Remember that this is this week's schedule:

Tuesday -> Tinto Flavour about the Golden Horde
Wednesday -> Tinto Talks about Islam
Thursday -> Fourth ‘Behind the Scenes’ video!
Friday -> Tinto Flavour about the Ottomans and the Rise of the Turks situation!

And also remember, you can wishlist Europa Universalis V now! Cheers!

>Literal cuck game

>>2056957
>robbie has found another horse to beat to death
dear god

if you annex lands that have SOPs in them do they become "settled" as in a releasable

>>2056958
To be fair that was a remarkably cucked thing to say.

>>2056932
Glad to see "suomenusko" changed, "muinaisusko" sounds way less retarded, although I still don't understand why they insist on using special names like this that aren't really historical or consistent across the board

>>2056912 (OP)
Any word on how the Horde mechanic will work in this game?

>>2056981
They said that hordes annex any territory they siege down if I remember right.

>>2056977
they are scandinavians, please understand.

>>2056984
so it's like EU3 where you just instant go to war with your neighbor? I imagine there has to be some major drawback if you just annex whatever you occupy.

>>2056912 (OP)
Can Kyiv from Russia?

>>2057004
If you defeat muscovy you get a decision to permanently prevent the formation of russia

>>2056986
You get coalitioned.

>>2057004
no need for russia when the kyivan rus exist

>>2056957
>what the avg bbc spammer looks like

>>2057019
excellent

what would germany be called if the dutch formed it? Would they even include the alpine parts or stay in the low German parts entirely?

>>2057056
>They were all Russians in CK2 btw
ah yes, the benchmark for historical accuracy, ck2

>>2057067
>ultranationalism is when ukrainians don't want to be Russians

>>2057054
Duitsland. I think it would be in their best interest to do something about the Alpine region for defensive reasons, you'd want full control of the Rhine and to neutralize any Austrian threats from the highlands before they stab you in the back

>>2057076
>Nationalism is the will to unite all Russians
That is an example of nationalism
>Ultranationalism opposes that and wants to emphasize a smaller regional identity
Ok yeah you are literally just a retard who doesn't know what ultranationalism is

Like, google is right there dude. Literally no reason to be wrong about this.
Ukrainian nationalism is literally just nationalism. Ultranationalism is about the expression and permeability of that nationalist identity.
And you do realise that Lichtenstein, Austria, Switzerland and Luxembourg are separate countries from germany you fucking moron? I'm not going to listen to a fucking american talk about nationalism as if you even live in a nation you dumb cuck

>>2056912 (OP)
Seething throughout the thread. Lmao to see. Seems PDX ignored their feedback.

>>2057067
that's a fed.

>>2057073
which is why their culture is based around... poland and stealing russian history while the only true ukroids are galicians who hate the rest
>>2057094
so is the average the ukraine supporter online

>>2057087
what happened now?

>>2057105
>stealing russian history
lol
lmao, even

>>2056932
>they renamed ukrainian to ruthenian
zizters... we won...

>>2057113
based, ukrainian language was created by the bolsheviks anyway

>>2057075
but even prussia kept austria around as an independent and somewhat powerful nation

Trebizond got shafted. They owned territory in Crimea at this time and here it's given to Genoa instead.

>>2057133
message the devs with a source and they'll change it

>>2057106
A lot of the feedback from the original thread went unimplemented it seems. Or at least enough that you have people accusing PDX of rushing the feedbacks and some constructing a narrative that all the non-Western European feedbacks are being undercooked as PDX doesn't care with a coming release.

>>2057133
message the devs with a source and they'll change it

>>2057139
>>2057152
Coded by monkeys

Do you have a soource these locations weren't called that in 1337?

>>2057158
I think it's reasonable for obscure and depopulated regions like Kyiv to be referenced by their modern name

>>2057158
zoomed in version posted by Pavia

also includes the location of Kominternivske named after the Comintern in 1935

>>2057158
Dithmarschen bros... the fire rises.

>>2057139
They were told this the first time and didn't change it. The current thread already has multiple people telling them this, including one who pointed out that he learned about this fact from EU4's missions from Trebizond, so they clearly know about it and don't care.

>>2057182
The whole map is riddled with stuff like this. I suspect they just imported it from some failed Cold War project they had.

>>2057203
Based on the replies I think it's 50/50 that it gets changed
If you DM one of the devs there's like a 90% chance it gets changed

>>2057129
That was only after basically settling the German Question and forcing the Austrians to stick to playing in the Balkans. You don't want to be stuck fighting France just for an aggressive Austria to strike your underbelly from the hills through the South German states

>>2057206
Holy based. Best Korea transcends time.

>cold war
kino we lost

>>2057241
Just play the cold war mod for HoI4.

>>2057206
Where'd they even find this one? I don't see it on Google Maps

What went wrong? EUV will be a Vic3 tier failure.

>>2056957
Of course it's always a European woman with an african man, never the other way around or any other combo for that matter

>>2057259
Surprised the Steppe of all feedbacks got them like this.

>>2057255
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM-e46xdcUo

>>2057259
>>2057262
Is there actually something wrong or is it just chinks being retarded ultranationalists and review bombing via downvotes over some stupid thing as usual?

>>2057267
Pretty much this >>2057144
I guess Paradox dropped the ball in areas but it's nowhere near as bad as the "respectfully disagrees" make it out to be in terms of feedback taken on.

>>2057158
Another games for the modern audience.
And you cucks will still buy it.

>>2057262
I think people are upset most of the recent feedback didn't change shit while bong island got a dev to basically implement feedback live

Do we know what the striped lines in Astrakhani/Nogai are?

>>2057292
Looks like minority pops?

>>2057292
Probably mongols

>>2057292
>>2057295
Kalmyks, I think.

>>2057287
>bong island got a dev to basically implement feedback live
Did they?

>>2057206
>>2057263
why

>>2057310
Western game devs are literal, unironic Marxists.

>>2057310
Because that's what those places are called today/called in the geosat repo of placenames PDX uses as a a game base.

>>2056912 (OP)
Remind me why I should care about these Buryats and savages that will get rolled over by 1600?

>>2057308
Ye, he was literally posting changes as he made them

>>2057324
>>2057308
>Pet area of dev gets more TLC during development.
>People who care about non-pet area areas seethe
Many such cases.

>>2057292
Just Mongols, their western capital Sarai was around there. Not Kalmyks though, they'd come later

>>2057259
>>2057262
People also got pissed with the African updates, but those didn't have a lot of posts, so the meltdowns were less noticeable.
But yeah, anything that is not Europe/Middle East is being neglected or straight ignored. Expect another meltdown once the review diaries of Mexico, Brazil and Latin American in general are released.

>>2057361
>anything that is not Europe/Middle East is being neglected or straight ignored
Good.

>>2057361
Unironically the granularity of the US is essentially completely irrelevant for the time period of EU5, and certainly much less so than Russia, the steppe and china

>>2057361
and thats a good thing

>>2057389
But redditors want to create an Inca blob and do sunset invasion.

I am so happy to see these retard devs get shit on, FINALLY.

>>2057267
they didn't actually take 99% of the feedback people gave them for central asia the first go around, even stuff like cultures being in the wrong place or locations having communist-era names. happened in other regions too, at first people brushed it off with "they'll get to it eventually" but now it's gotten so egregious the dam burst.

>>2057409
Anon said the US, which is true. They are basically making the whole american 50 states even when it was basically irrelevant in comparison with the rest of the continent.

>>2057361
>England gets live developer updates
>Russia and Ukraine treated the same as Africa
ohnononono slavbros what did they mean by this???

Where does the England getting live updates meme come from?
They got almost no response and most of the responses they did get were changing w*les.

>>2057506
>Russia and Ukraine treated the same as Africa
Only the eastern lands.

>>2057361
>anything that is not Europe/Middle East is being neglected or straight ignored
Holy based, its called EVROPA Universalis liberal

>>2057206
i think the first iterations of the map just used modern place names and borders (look at america) and they adjusted it from there

nobody cares about steppe niggers, there only purpose is to serve as a roadblock for muscovy to overcome.