What do you think of Imperator: Rome with the Invictus mod?
I heard people say it's really good now but I'm not sure. I've been burned by Paradox before

What do you think of OP with another iteration of this thread?
I heard people say he's genuine but I'm not sure. I've been burned by his Imperator threads before

>>2063358
There's another imperator thread? where

>>2063367
Nta, but the last one archived a week ago
How about this: go play Imperator, instead of spamming this board with a dead project of a failed game.
Even better: go play EU: Rome and ask yourself what could have been. Yourself, not this board

>>2063372
yeah sure you're not that anon bud

>>2063382
Go fuck a goat

>>2063382
This is the world with no poster counter.
An easy to proven situation where there would be 3 posters itt makes zoomie go "j-just one guy"

>>2063330 (OP)
It's pretty good. At leqsr the 2.0 version.
I recommend anyone looking forward to EU V to play, because it's going to have a lot of similar mechanics.

>>2063330 (OP)
"Imperator is good now" is a meme. People have been saying it for every little change.

>>2063404
thanks anon

>>2063372
I've seen at least three more like this

>>2063474
People who are into ancient Rome want to know if the game's good, that's all. What ulterior motive could there be, you paranoid schizophrenic?

>>2063479
Shilling, shitposting, plain retardation...
>people
You and your "people" would work the mines instead of bitching at honest citizens.

>>2063487
terrible falseflag and/or mental illness

>>2063469
No problem.
It's not a great game per se, but it's certainly better than Victoria 3, CK 3 and Stellaris. And people play that shit a lot.

It’s the only Paradox game that I’ve actually played to the end once. Got a pop up that the game was over. Wow. Only made it from Gaul to Anatolia. Literally any other Paradox game I’ll get bored with and stop before the end date.

>>2063614
>per se
damnit

anybody else with an opinion?

>>2063936
Did you have any mods installed?

>>2063956
No

>>2063330 (OP)
I feel like I either don't get this game, or don't get the entire grand strat genre in general.
It feels like imperator is just a map painter. A blobbing simulator.
All the pop management and internal stuff? Yeah it's there, and it ain't all that. The game is still all about blobbing and expanding, and little else.

Why play this game, or any other paradox game that isn't HoI4?
They're ALL about war and blobbing but at least HoI4 has deeper combat mechanics than just making doomstacks.

Seriously what is the point of CK, EU, and this game? It's JUST WAR but doomstacks wtf

>>2065920
>CK
Fucking your sister wife daughter niece aunt who is also the Pope and the Antichrist.

>EU
To remember it was once good.

>HoI4
Unironically give modded HoI2 a go.

>>2065931
>Unironically give modded HoI2 a go.
I'm a degen and only play HoI4 with the pony mod
Degeneracy aside, it's a really good mod because it adds CK-like character mechanics and turns HoI4 into the literal perfect Paradox game.
I tried the rest and they don't stack up at all

>Stellaris
Every playthrough is the same: send out scout ships, get systems/improve your econ if you're going tall, build massive doomstacks and win

>CK2 and 3
Play around with the quiks that you got (religion, character being a retard etc) which is admittedly interesting, but once you solve them you just build doomstacks and win

>EU4
Trade, build doomstacks, win.

>Imperator
Keep your pops happy, integrate foreign pops, build doomstacks and win.

If all I'm going to be doing is war, why not play the game with the best war mechanics?

>>2065942
>why not play the game with the best war mechanics?
I usually am but sometimes I also play games made by paradox. Also you're imho misunderstanding both stellaris and ck. The first is about reading thru exploration events until you're bored or die to lag and the second you can't really win. You just fuck around, literally, until you're bored.

And no, not a fan of HoI4 despite multiple attempts. The way the game is set up around muh focus and being locked into factions rubs me wrong. The AI still being incapable to use most of the features the game offers isn't helping any either.

>>2065947
>I usually am but sometimes I also play games made by paradox.
Oh you cheeky bastard. What are some good grand strat games not made my paradox?
I think the only one I played is Age of History 3 and... yeah. It's a literal blobbing simulator mobile game.

>>2065949
Not too many unfortunately. Main reason why they exist on the market at all if I had to guess. That said I'd warmly recommend both of the Imperialism games from the now long dead Frog City, something from the Chariots of War/Legion Slitherine/Matrix long running series or if you're purely in for the combat a proper hex strategy in the vein of Panzer General. Koei also has a bunch of their own but they're somewhat unique and especially the older games can be harder to get into if you didn't grow up with them.

>>2065956
I'm not in it for the combat, it's that paradox games offer nothing other than blobbing.

>>2065931
>>EU
>To remember it was once good.
WHEN

>>2065956
And also yes, I'll check those series out. Thanks anon

>>2065959
For me it started becoming truly shit around 2017 and became unplayable around 2020. Cradle of Civilization and Emperor basically.

>>2065974
Emperor was the last good expansion. Look at the shit that followed:
>Leviathan
Broke the game, added content for literally who SEAmonkeys, also introduced the OP great works.
>Origins
Africans. Lmao.
>Lions of the North
Meme mechanics. Teutonic horde, built for 20 minute free marketing from streamerfags
>domination
Making the already OP nations even more OP, with memes like Ottomans being able to form their own Roman Empire.
>King of Kings
Adds literally nothing.
>Winds of Change
Finisher DLC, equivalent to Holy Fury.

>>2065984
Side note: What was that CK2 DLC that added the weird ass religious mechanics that could make your guy immortal? That might have been the biggest "jumping the shark" moment of paradox I've ever seen

>>2066004
Don't know. CK2's shark jumping was sunset invasion. First and only time they've released an explicitly implausible DLC iirc.

>>2066015
I'll sooner believe Aztecs could've invaded Europe in 1200s than that Ethiopia or Malaysia would've beaten Europe in technology in 1700s.

>>2066045
Aztecs couldn't even travel the ocean.

>>2066049
Counter argument Ethiopia literacy rate in 2016 was 47.49%

>>2066051
Counter point: Aztecs didn't have the wheel.

>>2066053
You sure about that?

>>2066058
They didn't use it for agriculture, mills, transportation, anything. Almost poetic that they solely used it for games and didn't understand it's usefulness. Reminds me of the future civilization in The Time Machine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_ZfZaRCWTI

>>2066004
You probably mean Monks & Mystics. But CK2 lost its way before that in the same way CK3 lost its. It's a game named crusader kings where the most content is available if you're neither christian nor a king.

>>2066060
As the story goes in the last years of the US frontier a reporter went to interview an old Indian chief.
Respected elder, you were around long enough to remember the land before the white man came?
Yes.
How was it?
The men fished and hunted all day. Then we whooped and drank the whole night. The women gave birth to children, tilled the fields and cooked.

Makes you think who were the crazy ones. The crazy fucks that used peppers instead of money and played the throw a head thru the stone wall anus guys or the guys that invented such niceties as minimum wage, income tax and gender rights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_ZoseMPXfE

>>2066081
Always found it ironic that in Marxist theory the "most advanced state of civilization" is practically the same as the least advanced, just with window-dressing of being post-scarcity and having fully automated factories.

>>2066083

>>2066083
That's some pretty important window dressing.

>>2066187
Also completely utopic and impossible IRL

>>2066338
Of course it's possible and is already in place in north korea :)

>>2066441
So why do commie redditors hate that place

>>2065920
It's like having a pet fish but it's a country.

>>2065920
You say that like a map painter with simplified mechanics (aka not a wargame with tons of micro) is a bad thing

>>2066509
not enough diviner girl falls down / 10

>>2066482
dunno bro
talk to your people

>>2066601
nonsensical post, sry

>>2066634
lurk more, not sry

theres no AI so there is nothing to do and there is only rome/some eastern blobs in this era

also you have to micro ur families/vassals marriages or you end up with no young people at all

>>2066903
>theres no AI so there is nothing to do and there is only rome/some eastern blobs in this era
Wut? There's plenty of playable factions like sicily, carthage, epirus, athens, sparta, all the northern tribes n sheiiit
>you have to micro ur families/vassals marriages or you end up with no young people at all
Did you even play the game? If your family is too small the game literally spawns them. The micro is in managing pops and their happiness

Bro you clearly didn't play Imperator

>>2066909
>Bro you clearly didn't play Imperator
I'm genuinely envious of that fag then. The game was and last I checked the worst dogshit paradox made. That includes vic3 and crown of the north.

>>2066970
>samefagging
>still lying about playing the game
dude holy shit, can you be honest for 5 minutes?

>>2067070
You what? Nigger you need to take your meds.

>>2067114
And you need to start playing games before making up a shitty opinion on them

>>2063330 (OP)
I think it's probably the easiest game to troll /vst/ with.
Everyone knows it's a complete shitshow and never got finished or even abandoned in playable state. But because it's such an obvious thing, all it takes is asking for this or, even better, making a claim that the game is fine if [insert whatever nonsense]. Guaranteed replies and argument that's going to drag out for 1-2 months.

>>2067941
Most parashit games are just as good

>>2067946
Average PDX game at least had a finished state and workable mechanics. Don't get me wrong - they aren't good. They are merely functional.
Which just adds how easy it is to troll with I:R, because it can't even claim that, so anyone going "oh, this game is so great" has guaranteed replies

>>2067948
>They are merely functional
Even that's debatable

>>2066909
I could never figure the family part out. Would be fun if Rome had more CK2 character development and things to do.

>>2067964
>the family part
You have 3 families in your culture, each of them want 3 jobs. That's literally it

>>2067988
You can’t marry them or anything. Also there’s very little benefit to framing them or assassinating them, so there is really no character side games in Rome like there is in CK2.

>>2068024
The character stuff in Imperator is super shallow, definitely. In fact every time a character event popped up I wasn't very interested.
The kino part of Imperator are the non-character events: suddenly one of your granaries has been raided, the Antagonid Kingdom started to collapse, someone destroyed a holy relic somewhere, that kind of thing.

Where Imperator's character system works is with your ruler: you control your nation, but not him. He has his own personal wealth and he can become corrupt, syphoning funds out of the treasury. That part is cool and fun to manage. Everybody else? Eh... if they're disloyal just bring them to trial or let them start a civil war, you can stomp them easily usually.

I still prefer to play Imperator to CK2 or 3, but that may be because I'm new to both. Maybe Imperator is easier to "solve" and once I do I won't like it as much, but I do prefer its lack of bloat.

Ask a country for alliance >>>>>> marriage bullshit

>>2063330 (OP)
It's fun but playing anything besides Rome, Carthage or the Greek states is boring.
So you run out of nation to play after a few dozens hours.

>>2068034
Why do you say that? What do other countries lack that Rome/Carthage/Greece have?
If you mean the missions then the Invictus mod adds a shitload of mission trees to a ton of countries.
If you mean the whole senate thing, there are other countries with a republic government, and you can always change into a republic if you aren't one.

Seriously what exactly do other countries lack? They're literally all the same in terms of content (missions aside, but Invictus fixes that as I said)

>>2068024
>Unfinished game has barely-there mechanics
Really makes you think, doesn't it?
Just like the fact a 2019 recreation of 2007 game in a 1:1 format is a terrible idea, but yet here we are.
It always baffles me how much people struggle with the basic concept that is "this game had terrible base idea, copied from a genuinely bad game without a single thought put into making it work better, and then got abandoned while trying to patch the shitty monstrosity"
It's a very simple concept, but for past 4 years or so people are having a really hard time grasping it

>>2068332
Talking to yourself isn't healthy bro.

>>2068034
>It's fun but playing anything besides Rome, Carthage or the Greek states is boring.
You didn't play it.

>>2063330 (OP)
It's the only paradox game I actually got into.

You can play one campaign as rome and one campaign as carthago
After that every other nation feels generic and flavorless

>>2073907
Anon, learn fucking history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenistic_period

>>2073914
Twenty varieties of greek kingdoms in turkey is not flavor

>>2073922
it literally is you're just too retarded to know it

>>2063330 (OP)
>What do you think of Imperator: Rome
Love it
>with the Invictus mod?
No thanks

>>2073932
will you elaborate?

>>2073907
I've put 100 hours on it so far and still haven't played as either of those.

Honestly... the game is still good and the mod kinda fixes a lot of the issues devs never managed to fix. The issue is that it also adds a lot of non-historical bullshit for a lot of factions. I remember I decided not to play it anymore when I noticed they made Siculs a MATRIARCHY.

>>2073922
Talking shit about a game you haven't played is not an opinion

>>2074979
It literally is

>>2074963
>they made Siculs a MATRIARCHY.
what the fuck is siculs

>>2076521
epic

>>2076523
One of the proto-Sicilians. Come on, everybody knows that.

>>2077178
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_G7-opxBLQ