I'm playing as the Mamluks, where do I take it from here? Do I stick to Arab roots, and form Arabia? Or do I culture shift to turkish and form Rûm? I do plan on forming Egypt before either and finish the mamlukean mission tree

I have a Turkish ruler atm so I can shift to Turkish culture by event when I become a regular monarchy after forming Egypt

Bump

kys faggot

>>2065838 (OP)
>arab roots
Mamluks were turks

>>2065879
Meanie

>>2065904
Really? In the game their primary culture is egyptian

>>2065944
The Mamluks were Turkish slave soldiers who imported more of their own for use by the government, ruling over Egypt.
Forming Arabia is just a massive slap in the face to both. Form either Egypt or Rum, but don't form Arabia or Persia.

>>2065838 (OP)
50 years and you did nothing

>>2066023
I took all of Iraq, most of anatolia and southern balkans, what do you mean nothing?

>>2066030
50 years is world conquest territory, noob

>>2065944
it was ruled by an aristocracy of caucasian and turkish foreigners.

>>2065838 (OP)
Rum is trash, it's the old Ottoman mission tree from before King of Kings (iirc).
It's all poorly sequenced claims (for ex. conquer a couple provinces before you can get claims for 5 states, so the missions are bargaining with you to limit your wars).
You have alot of mediocre expansion options as Mamluks but two decent ones:
>Take exploration and colonize valuable empty Oceania and Indian Ocean territories
>Push for the Caliphate formation
And otherwise you're set up for a slow world conquest at this point.

>>2065838 (OP)
Rum has like 9 missions and they're all useless claims, waste of a formable + it's endgame and locks you out of good nations
Arabia is good, there isn't really anything else to form unless you want to do a meme and form yemen

>>2066030
You started as the Mamluks.

>>2066048
And? I'm not a horde I can't blob like crazy without destroying my nation

>>2066059
>he doesn't know

>>2066059
Do you have even one vassal?

>>2066064
I have byz, bulgaria, Iraq and rassids

>>2066043
Yeah but rum has infinite vassals just like ottomans and pretty nice ideas

>>2066091
missiontrees are mega powercreeped, you'll get more out of forming arabia or even persia or andalusia

>>2066071
>giving important trade lands to vassals
You should absolutely be taking Aden for yourself. Why are you coreing useless Constantinople land instead of Basra and Aden? You should have given Byz more of the Ottomans and taken trade you can use yourself. Your vassals have mana you know there is absolutely no reason not to make them core things and if they fall behind in tech/ideas it is largely irrelevant because you wont be keeping any of those vassals around for a long time.
Why are you ignoring Africa? With minimal effort you could have a strong African vassal to blob the entire continent for you. You would get more out of Africa than Tunis and the war would be easier. North Africa is probably your least priority target right now because all of the trade goes to Genoa/Spain and they are naturally friendly towards you. Yes, it wont be a hard war but it will burn manpower, money, and time which you could use to attack someone worthwhile instead.
You built so much navy in the Red Sea, which is stuck there for a long time, and haven't even fought Ethiopia.

>>2066113
Well there is a lot of dev in Yemen, and between yemen + mashriq + anatolia + southern balkans which I intend to annex I'll be over my gov cap if I take arabia, so I decided to give the land to my rassid march, and besides I can just make them steer trade to me

Alexandria is a very awkward node to use as main one because its trade get stolen by venice, genoa and constantinople nodes so the idea was to conquer constantinople node asad and move main port there, also I wanted to destroy ottos asap which I did by declaring on them one year into the game (just waited to build some galleys), abusing the strait and using Albania as a bait

I was ignoring africa for the time being because the mission tree don't give me any claims there but I'm definitely gonna force vassalize adal and give him all of the horn

I was attacking tunis to reset truce with ottos and to complete the mission tree, the state of tunis has a very nice monument that gets upgraded to level 2 for free by completing the mission + claims in all of maghreb so I can easily attack iberians for malta when the time comes

Also I forgot to mention crimea is also a subject

>>2066113
Also navy is not stuck in the red sea because I have the suez canal

>>2066122
Yeah the idea was don't core useless parts of Anatolia yourself and core Yemen instead.
>Alexandria is a very awkward node to use as main one so the idea was to conquer constantinople node asad
This is true and fair enough. I suppose vassalizing Byz kept them alive and they have cores plus you will be able to annex them at liberty anyway.
>rassid march
That's insanity why would you make them a march you will absolutely be annexing them within the next 50 years.
>besides I can just make them steer trade to me
Only 50% and Aden is the gateway to India and Indonesia. You cannot have a Yemeni vassal if only because they will rapidly become useless as Arabia is a peninsula.
>force vassalize adal and give him all of the horn
Ok good. Ethiopia takes a while to chew you might want to try and make them collapse if they still have nationalism. It's easily done with war exhaustion.
>I was attacking tunis to reset truce with ottos
I could not have known this. I would make a north African vassal and grant them your claims rather than directly take it myself since that land wont really be useful for a long time. While a Berber vassal isn't amazing they aren't terrible either and it's funny how they raid people, when it isn't you.
>>2066123
I missed this. I thought you needed tech 20 to build it. Pretty ridiculous that you can build it in 1450.

Your campaign is actually good I was just giving you shit. Starting as the Mamluks is skipping the first 100 years though.

>>2066135
You can make vassal give all their trade to you. They just naturally give 50% by being a vassal

I made rassid a march because of their op mil ideas

I took some tunisian land directly for the extra merchant but after taking state of tunis and djerba I'm not gonna bother with the maghreb, maybe I'll create a vassal there once I have emough diplo slots but will see

>>2066146
It's free real estate because the Maghrebis will struggle to ally anyone important now that the Ottomans are dead, assuming they can't rival you which I presume they cannot.
I heavily disagree with keeping the Rassinids around - their culture group is yours, you have your own strong military, and they control desirable states. If you are keeping them then I assume you're going to feed them the rest of Arabia and Oman so they aren't pitifully small. They are never going to fight wars basically independently of you, unless you feed them East Africa, so you will be babysitting them anyway at which point their military ideas hardly matter.

I'm surprised you annexed Bulgaria before Byz. Bosnia and Serbia are both good marches for different reasons, Wallachia is ok, and you will surely want one in the region.

>>2066155
I am dotf so iberians will not dare to declare on maghrebis, they could still be conquered by someone in the sahel but we'll see

I annexed bulgaria first because they're cheaper than byz, I'll wait for influence ideas to annex byz

>>2066155
I'll keep rassids until I have enough gov capacity, then I'll annex them but I want to annex Iraq before them

>>2066161
Iraq is in a much more useful location imo although they are both your culture group. Byz is more important to annex than both of them too since you need your node and have already invested heavily in it. What idea groups do you have?

You really want some nice fat vassals who will win wars for you because walking from Iran to Greece takes a long time and it's such a relief to have pets who can look after themselves.

>>2066168
Yes I'll annex byz once I get the influence idea for annexation discount

My ideas atm are admin, influence and quality, these three ideas once finished have a nice combo for annexation discount on top of the one from the influence ideas

>>2066170
Those are good choices. I would be tempted to take diplo next and diplo-quality can be very useful as a bonus.

I think you need more boats.

>>2066176
Yes I definitely taking diplo

I do want more boats to trademaxx but atm I'm already with an insane economy, mamluk is such a wealthy nation with their merchant privileges and their inique economic reform

>>2066274
You can never have too much economy. If you genuinely find yourself with surplus money then give it to your vassals as subsidies. This works best with colonial nations.

>>2065838 (OP)
Convert to Orthodox and civilize Africa.

>>2066146
>They just naturally give 50% by being a vassal
Is this a bonus the mamluks get? Default vassals give 0% trade or 100% if you’re diverting, unless they’re a colonial nation (50% by default) a protectorate (30% I think) or you, the overlord, are a merchant republic (50%)

>>2070234
I'm not converting anything, I just gave dhimmi autonomy and I'm completely ignoring religion, focusing totally on money

>>2070292
Yeah my mistake sorry, I can just make them divert trade tho