>be me
>play previous games for both franchises, love them
>bought this ones in physical
>must create a Steam account to play them
>the numerous discs are useless
>Civ V feels incomplete; R2 is boring af
Wtf happened to the 4X genre?

>>2066545 (OP)
bruh did you just wake up from a coma?
i felt this way about dow2 and shogun 2

>>2066545 (OP)
I 'member buying physical Empire Total War

>>2066623
I believe he did with that shitty schizo op

>>2066545 (OP)
nigga just pirate games if you want to own them forever with all DLC it's the year 2025 there's no excuse to not know how to torrent safely

>>2066545 (OP)
Civ 5 is the most braindead one of series, no idea why people praise it

>>2066820
Most people actually hate strategy so it either has to be really surface level strategy or it has to be tedious micromanagement of a build order + stats to appeal to the masses.

>>2066545 (OP)
>Civ V
Released in 2010
>Rome 2
Released in 2013

Dude, seriously, today it is 2025 where have you been in the past decade?

>>2066623
I liked Sh2, it's not perfect, but way better than current ones.

>>2067046
I bought them in 2010 and 2013, I just want to express my frustration, because back then I still believed that right now we would have a Golden Age of games. Sorry for the confusion.

>>2067891
i like shogun 2 too but that wasn't what i was referring to; i also liked dow2
it forced me to have steam which i avoided for as long as possible
in retrospect, i'm glad steam won as the dominant platform and its offline policy is generous but i don't feel wrong that i was against these always online systems
gfwl was an order of magnitude worse but uplay was the worst
i still revisit both dow2 and shogun 2

>>2066653
>there's no excuse to not know how to torrent
All it takes is being a zoomer
>Technologically illiterate, worse than actual boomers
>Indoctrinated to get revolted by mere concept of piracy
>Following company/platform loyalty like a cattle
We've done it. We raised a generation of perfect consumers