Anonymous
6/14/2025, 11:52:24 PM No.2067490
What do you do when it's obvious you're losing? Do you still keep playing or start over?
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Thread 2067490 - /vst/
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 5:21:13 AM No.2067652
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 9:06:33 AM No.2067728
>>2067490 (OP)
genuflect
genuflect
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 9:14:07 AM No.2067730
>>2067490 (OP)
I use cheat codes to give myself unlimited resources
I use cheat codes to give myself unlimited resources
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 9:16:49 AM No.2067732
altqq
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 5:02:16 PM No.2067947
>>2067708
>Playing on ironman
What for?
Sincere question. What's the gain of inability to save the game at your leisure? And not just /vst/, ANY game.
I never understood this fucked-up logic, but I guess it could only arise in times when people no longer remember or even were around where limited save slots or lack of saves was the default state of games and what sort of pain in the ass it was. Not difficult - just fucking annoying.
And then stuff like ironman gets introduced like some sort of extra challenge or whatever other bullshit claim. Not tedium, not hassle, but a premium feature.
So then asshats Alt+F4 and still save-scum. Oh wow, what a great thing!
>Playing on ironman
What for?
Sincere question. What's the gain of inability to save the game at your leisure? And not just /vst/, ANY game.
I never understood this fucked-up logic, but I guess it could only arise in times when people no longer remember or even were around where limited save slots or lack of saves was the default state of games and what sort of pain in the ass it was. Not difficult - just fucking annoying.
And then stuff like ironman gets introduced like some sort of extra challenge or whatever other bullshit claim. Not tedium, not hassle, but a premium feature.
So then asshats Alt+F4 and still save-scum. Oh wow, what a great thing!
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 6:08:36 PM No.2067976
>>2067947
something something emergent gameplay
problem is no one plays strategy games like that because they are slower than most games, and when shit goes wrong it can take a very long time for that to lead into something interesting
something something emergent gameplay
problem is no one plays strategy games like that because they are slower than most games, and when shit goes wrong it can take a very long time for that to lead into something interesting
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 6:20:19 PM No.2067982
>>2067490 (OP)
Depends on the game. If it's singleplayer I just start over. I might keep going if there is a chance I can still pull off a win, but otherwise tehre's no point in playing out a game I already know I'll lose anyway. If it's multiplayer I go full shitpost mode and focus my effort on annoying my opponent as much as possible rather than playing to win.
Depends on the game. If it's singleplayer I just start over. I might keep going if there is a chance I can still pull off a win, but otherwise tehre's no point in playing out a game I already know I'll lose anyway. If it's multiplayer I go full shitpost mode and focus my effort on annoying my opponent as much as possible rather than playing to win.
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 6:22:33 PM No.2067985
>>2067947
Ironman in strategy games is pretty much the same brand of retardation that are achievements. In fact, it was predominately introduced as an anti-cheating feature for chivos.
Except it doesn't prevent actual cheating, it just made saves less common. Unfortunately for everyone, it started to pop up around the same time when gitting gud meme gained traction, so bunch of zoomers went full retard with "ironman = hard = i'm good = masturbation"
Ironman in strategy games is pretty much the same brand of retardation that are achievements. In fact, it was predominately introduced as an anti-cheating feature for chivos.
Except it doesn't prevent actual cheating, it just made saves less common. Unfortunately for everyone, it started to pop up around the same time when gitting gud meme gained traction, so bunch of zoomers went full retard with "ironman = hard = i'm good = masturbation"
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 6:27:07 PM No.2067990
>>2067985
What an odd thing to be mad about
What an odd thing to be mad about
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 6:27:48 PM No.2067991
>>2067732
Is that a shortcut for Alt f4 in some tranny distro?
Is that a shortcut for Alt f4 in some tranny distro?
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 6:42:17 PM No.2067999
>>2067947
>What for?
>Sincere question
Unless you are a super novice in the game, is a non issue, you get some achievements once in a while and the game saves automatically so what's the big deal
>What for?
>Sincere question
Unless you are a super novice in the game, is a non issue, you get some achievements once in a while and the game saves automatically so what's the big deal
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 6:47:56 PM No.2068005
>>2067490 (OP)
I tend to start over when the slightest inconvenience appears, specially if it's because of me being retarded
>mp
go next and focus on X and not making Y mistake. I did try to stay and fight but it turns out that you also need to learn how to comeback
>sp
start over if ealry game, savescum if late game
I tend to start over when the slightest inconvenience appears, specially if it's because of me being retarded
>mp
go next and focus on X and not making Y mistake. I did try to stay and fight but it turns out that you also need to learn how to comeback
>sp
start over if ealry game, savescum if late game
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 6:58:23 PM No.2068012
>>2067490 (OP)
>Do you still keep playing or start over?
Depends on the condtions.
If it's a fairly fresh game I art.
If it's been a well played game I'll see it to the end.
If I feel like there's some bullshit I go nuclear and cheat - ironically this is how I discovered the computer is a cheeting bastard in my younger years, there's nothing quite like removing the fog of war and watching the AI produce an endless stream of units with no econ.
>Do you still keep playing or start over?
Depends on the condtions.
If it's a fairly fresh game I art.
If it's been a well played game I'll see it to the end.
If I feel like there's some bullshit I go nuclear and cheat - ironically this is how I discovered the computer is a cheeting bastard in my younger years, there's nothing quite like removing the fog of war and watching the AI produce an endless stream of units with no econ.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 7:04:49 PM No.2068022
>>2067490 (OP)
My two fuckups in grand strategy games are always the same:
>fall behind
At this point I haven't exactly lost, but I'm stuck going on speed 5 to make pennies while everybody else becomes massive. Eventually it'll feel so bad that I just restart.
>declare war like a retard
Failed to check my target's allies, overestimated my forces, didn't know about some secret system like a random ass morale debuff when fighting on plains that you entered from a river in June while it's raining outside etc etc
I keep getting fucking filtered by grand strategy games, but I keep trying
My two fuckups in grand strategy games are always the same:
>fall behind
At this point I haven't exactly lost, but I'm stuck going on speed 5 to make pennies while everybody else becomes massive. Eventually it'll feel so bad that I just restart.
>declare war like a retard
Failed to check my target's allies, overestimated my forces, didn't know about some secret system like a random ass morale debuff when fighting on plains that you entered from a river in June while it's raining outside etc etc
I keep getting fucking filtered by grand strategy games, but I keep trying
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 7:30:34 PM No.2068045
>>2067985
>it was predominately introduced as an anti-cheating feature for chivos.
> it started to pop up around the same time when gitting gud meme gained traction
Why are all zoomers complete retards who think the world only started turning when they were born? Ironman mode existed before "chivos" were ever a thing. They're literally older than you are.
>it was predominately introduced as an anti-cheating feature for chivos.
> it started to pop up around the same time when gitting gud meme gained traction
Why are all zoomers complete retards who think the world only started turning when they were born? Ironman mode existed before "chivos" were ever a thing. They're literally older than you are.
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 7:38:38 PM No.2068056
>>2067490 (OP)
why of course, restart and make the same mistakes again
why of course, restart and make the same mistakes again
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 7:41:43 PM No.2068059
>>2068056
chad
chad
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 10:24:39 PM No.2068173
>>2067490 (OP)
Keep playing because the AI is a retard and I will eventually win anyway.
Keep playing because the AI is a retard and I will eventually win anyway.
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 12:58:21 AM No.2068272
>>2067490 (OP)
type gg then surrender
type gg then surrender
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 3:23:27 AM No.2068330
>>2068045
List 10 best know examples from before 2010.
Go on, everyone was doing this and it was super-popular, so there is going to be plentiful material to prove your point.
List 10 best know examples from before 2010.
Go on, everyone was doing this and it was super-popular, so there is going to be plentiful material to prove your point.
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 6:00:32 AM No.2068404
>>2067490 (OP)
Depends on how the game resolutes itself, the losing side sometimes can choose how long the game lasts even if the outcome is certain. For example, if the game cannot be won until total destruction, being avoidant and defensive automatically lengthen the time and work needed for the win.
Depends on how the game resolutes itself, the losing side sometimes can choose how long the game lasts even if the outcome is certain. For example, if the game cannot be won until total destruction, being avoidant and defensive automatically lengthen the time and work needed for the win.
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Anonymous
6/18/2025, 7:16:52 PM No.2070378
>>2068330
Jackie Chan
Jackie Chan
Anonymous
6/18/2025, 8:27:12 PM No.2070436
>>2068404
That's me playing Total Annihilation.
I'm losing? Well I got the entire weekend so strap in, fuckers
That's me playing Total Annihilation.
I'm losing? Well I got the entire weekend so strap in, fuckers
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:15:13 PM No.2071301
>>2067947
The purpose is to serve as a challenging game mode where you can't savescum. You can't undo your decision if it didn't work out so your actions actually matter.
For some games I like it for some games I don't. It depends on how hard the game is and how much RNG there is to screw with you.
The purpose is to serve as a challenging game mode where you can't savescum. You can't undo your decision if it didn't work out so your actions actually matter.
For some games I like it for some games I don't. It depends on how hard the game is and how much RNG there is to screw with you.
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 8:49:44 PM No.2071329
>>2071293
That's only reserved against human players who can't see the metal converter under the trees
That's only reserved against human players who can't see the metal converter under the trees
Anonymous
6/19/2025, 9:16:34 PM No.2071347
>>2067708
oh no the process suddenly got shut down by the task manager. how sad.
oh no the process suddenly got shut down by the task manager. how sad.
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Anonymous
6/19/2025, 11:42:28 PM No.2071541
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 11:50:53 PM No.2079139
>>2067612
this
this
Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:42:30 PM No.2080016
>>2067490 (OP)
i use a savegame editor or HEX edit myself if i think the computer player was cheating too much and being rude to me in diplomacy.
like say i play a "charismatic" peaceful game, but the PC keeps declaring war on me even though our relation was good. and then the he/she keeps creating units out of thin air.
for that i first teleported almost all her cities away so they get wiped out by an enemy computer player. when she still won't give up and somehow still summons units out of thin air with no economy. i teleport her capital to another warmongery enemy who finishes her off. cheater beaten by my god magic(me).
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BUT if i die quickly. i just start a new game.
i use a savegame editor or HEX edit myself if i think the computer player was cheating too much and being rude to me in diplomacy.
like say i play a "charismatic" peaceful game, but the PC keeps declaring war on me even though our relation was good. and then the he/she keeps creating units out of thin air.
for that i first teleported almost all her cities away so they get wiped out by an enemy computer player. when she still won't give up and somehow still summons units out of thin air with no economy. i teleport her capital to another warmongery enemy who finishes her off. cheater beaten by my god magic(me).
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BUT if i die quickly. i just start a new game.
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Anonymous
6/28/2025, 9:43:43 PM No.2080017
>>2068012
>If I feel like there's some bullshit I go nuclear and cheat - ironically this is how I discovered the computer is a cheeting bastard in my younger years, there's nothing quite like removing the fog of war and watching the AI produce an endless stream of units with no econ.
metoo!!!
>If I feel like there's some bullshit I go nuclear and cheat - ironically this is how I discovered the computer is a cheeting bastard in my younger years, there's nothing quite like removing the fog of war and watching the AI produce an endless stream of units with no econ.
metoo!!!
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 5:01:57 AM No.2080324
For me it's because Ironman modes force me to stand by my decisions, even if they're the result of fuckups or mistakes. Did I fumble a battle and now I've opened up my empire to getting reamed? Well tough titties, now I get the experience the panic and excitement of trying to stabilize a collapsing front, no way out of it. If I made a choice ten turns ago and the consequences are only now becoming apparent, I don't get to go back and choose again with hindsight.
>>2080027
I assume he was playing Civilization or something with clearly defined individuals as the representative of the nation
>>2080027
I assume he was playing Civilization or something with clearly defined individuals as the representative of the nation
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 5:03:37 AM No.2080325
>>2071347
This shit never works for me, always saves before it closes.
This shit never works for me, always saves before it closes.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 8:16:40 AM No.2080385
>>2067490 (OP)
ALT+F4
ALT+F4
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 9:58:01 AM No.2080411
>>2067490 (OP)
Never surrender. Endsieg. To the last man.
Never surrender. Endsieg. To the last man.
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 10:04:23 AM No.2080415
>>2080324
>he was playing Civilization or something with clearly defined individuals as the representative of the nation
MOO had asexual looking lizards too....
>he was playing Civilization or something with clearly defined individuals as the representative of the nation
MOO had asexual looking lizards too....
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 10:17:53 AM No.2080420
>>2080415
...how do you know a lizard is "asexual looking"
...how do you know a lizard is "asexual looking"
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 11:32:07 AM No.2080448
Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:36:41 PM No.2080582
>>2080016
>being rude to me in diplomacy.
This so much:
>Enemy declares war and attacks my territory
>I crush their army and the attack fails
>I sue for peace and offer them their territory back, they refuse.
>My allies complain that I'm at war -wtf!
>They attack again. Same result.
>I sue for peace (again), they refuse (again)
>My allies break up with me because I'm too bloodthirsty.
>My (former) allies declare war on the enemy. I've not long wiped the enemies army so they steam roll their territory.
>I'm annexed by my former allies and they're refusing diplomacy even though our relationship is positive.
>They start building an army on my borders.
>I can see where this is going...
>being rude to me in diplomacy.
This so much:
>Enemy declares war and attacks my territory
>I crush their army and the attack fails
>I sue for peace and offer them their territory back, they refuse.
>My allies complain that I'm at war -wtf!
>They attack again. Same result.
>I sue for peace (again), they refuse (again)
>My allies break up with me because I'm too bloodthirsty.
>My (former) allies declare war on the enemy. I've not long wiped the enemies army so they steam roll their territory.
>I'm annexed by my former allies and they're refusing diplomacy even though our relationship is positive.
>They start building an army on my borders.
>I can see where this is going...
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Anonymous
6/29/2025, 3:38:34 PM No.2080590
>>2080582
*enclaved, not annexed.
*enclaved, not annexed.
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 8:29:31 AM No.2087373
>>2067490 (OP)
Comeback mechanics or skillful positioning or ai exploitation
>>2080511
StarCraft Broodwar
Comeback mechanics or skillful positioning or ai exploitation
>>2080511
StarCraft Broodwar
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 9:13:15 AM No.2087384
>>2067490 (OP)
Usually I go with the flow, then start over.
Usually I go with the flow, then start over.
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 2:55:03 PM No.2088466
>>2080508
No one called it “SCBW” back in the day. They called it “SC” before the expansion came out, and then later called it “BW”.
No one called it “SCBW” back in the day. They called it “SC” before the expansion came out, and then later called it “BW”.
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 8:25:42 PM No.2088690
>>2067490 (OP)
I used to savescum or restart but Endless Space 2 cured me of that, the game is just so comfy that I don't mind not winning the match as long as I get an interesting and fun ride trying to grow my empire and fight in galactic wars.
I used to savescum or restart but Endless Space 2 cured me of that, the game is just so comfy that I don't mind not winning the match as long as I get an interesting and fun ride trying to grow my empire and fight in galactic wars.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 5:48:42 AM No.2088973
>>2067490 (OP)
in multiplayer i resign the moment i realize its over, no sense to waste time .
in multiplayer i resign the moment i realize its over, no sense to waste time .
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 10:54:50 AM No.2097165
>>2080420
i tried to have sex with it. and it said no.
i tried to have sex with it. and it said no.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 10:57:40 AM No.2097167
>>2080582
>I sue for peace (again), they refuse (again)
>My allies break up with me because I'm too bloodthirsty.
thank /vst/ israel. dindu nuffin wrong.
>I sue for peace (again), they refuse (again)
>My allies break up with me because I'm too bloodthirsty.
thank /vst/ israel. dindu nuffin wrong.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 11:16:51 AM No.2097173
>>2080511
>>2088433
open up zoomie, the airplane is going in! Tasty spoonfeeding coming in! WooOOooOoooo...!
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=%22altqq%22+starcraft+brood+war
>>2088433
open up zoomie, the airplane is going in! Tasty spoonfeeding coming in! WooOOooOoooo...!
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=%22altqq%22+starcraft+brood+war
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Anonymous
7/18/2025, 12:19:25 PM No.2097190
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Anonymous
7/18/2025, 2:16:14 PM No.2097232
>>2067490 (OP)
i tense up my entire body as i try not to savescum again and then i savescum
i tense up my entire body as i try not to savescum again and then i savescum
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 2:27:43 PM No.2097237
>>2067947
It's most rewarding in strategy games with some element of roleplay and where losses are more like major setbacks then immediate total failure. Examples imo are XCOM, Kenshi, Total War, and Mount and Blade. These are games where you're often writing a story in your head as you play. Stories where the protag (you) wins every time with no setbacks are boring. Even if its infuriating in the moment, if you can come back from a major setback to scrape over the finish line it feels pretty momentous.
It can also encourage you to shake up your strategy and use parts of the game you otherwise wouldn't. While in a normal campaign you might prioritize long term benefits, when the entire campaign is on the line short term benefits become a lot more appealing.
Oh and in games with lots of characters, permadeath gives less powerful characters chances to shine. I've been playing thrawn's revenge and there's so many fucking obscure EU characters in that as heroes. If I reload every hero loss, I end up just throwing the spares on some planet and forgetting about them. But if I don't reload all of a sudden incredibly notable and important star wars character Surface Marshal Vatoki is my leading ground commander.
It's most rewarding in strategy games with some element of roleplay and where losses are more like major setbacks then immediate total failure. Examples imo are XCOM, Kenshi, Total War, and Mount and Blade. These are games where you're often writing a story in your head as you play. Stories where the protag (you) wins every time with no setbacks are boring. Even if its infuriating in the moment, if you can come back from a major setback to scrape over the finish line it feels pretty momentous.
It can also encourage you to shake up your strategy and use parts of the game you otherwise wouldn't. While in a normal campaign you might prioritize long term benefits, when the entire campaign is on the line short term benefits become a lot more appealing.
Oh and in games with lots of characters, permadeath gives less powerful characters chances to shine. I've been playing thrawn's revenge and there's so many fucking obscure EU characters in that as heroes. If I reload every hero loss, I end up just throwing the spares on some planet and forgetting about them. But if I don't reload all of a sudden incredibly notable and important star wars character Surface Marshal Vatoki is my leading ground commander.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 3:42:12 PM No.2097295
>>2097190
A yo *smacks lips* let me google that for you
A yo *smacks lips* let me google that for you
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 4:17:32 PM No.2098718
>>2097295
and what did it say? just gonna leave me hanging like that?
and what did it say? just gonna leave me hanging like that?
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 6:52:10 AM No.2099191
>>2067490 (OP)
depends on the game, how fun it is to fight it out, if there''s any unlock reasons to continue on, etc
Battle Brothers/XCOM/Mordheim I'll fight till the bitter end because it better teaches me how far I can push my units
HOMM3 I'm capitulating as soon as defeat is obvious to save us both time and get the next round rolling
etc
depends on the game, how fun it is to fight it out, if there''s any unlock reasons to continue on, etc
Battle Brothers/XCOM/Mordheim I'll fight till the bitter end because it better teaches me how far I can push my units
HOMM3 I'm capitulating as soon as defeat is obvious to save us both time and get the next round rolling
etc
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 6:56:50 AM No.2099192
>>2097190
not him but it just opens a google search for the thing
not him but it just opens a google search for the thing
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 9:56:23 AM No.2099261
>>2067490 (OP)
I play unless it's Xcom Long war in which case that's like getting hit by a brick until you die
I play unless it's Xcom Long war in which case that's like getting hit by a brick until you die
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:01:15 AM No.2099263
>>2067490 (OP)
Have a different save where I've become the strongest faction/empire, beat up weaker foes for a little bit, come back to the doomed campaign and win thanks to boosted confidence.
Have a different save where I've become the strongest faction/empire, beat up weaker foes for a little bit, come back to the doomed campaign and win thanks to boosted confidence.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 10:17:58 AM No.2099271
>>2067490 (OP)
This is why I like Crusader Kings: it's not about the blobbing, it's about your character.
Yes your country lost the war but your character's story continues.
This is why I like Crusader Kings: it's not about the blobbing, it's about your character.
Yes your country lost the war but your character's story continues.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 12:50:20 PM No.2099349
>>2067490 (OP)
I'm an immature retard so if I'm losing to a computer I ragequit and stop playing for a bit. If it's against a human though and winning is just a mathematical impossibility then I'll GG and take the L with some grace though. Losing to a human feels less bad anyway.
I'm an immature retard so if I'm losing to a computer I ragequit and stop playing for a bit. If it's against a human though and winning is just a mathematical impossibility then I'll GG and take the L with some grace though. Losing to a human feels less bad anyway.
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 12:53:16 PM No.2099350
>>2067947
>Why
In EU4 I enjoy the added challenge and being prevented from cheesing. The chips fall where they may and you can get some trophies along the way. But obviously if you're just gonna use crash exploits then idk what the point is.
>Why
In EU4 I enjoy the added challenge and being prevented from cheesing. The chips fall where they may and you can get some trophies along the way. But obviously if you're just gonna use crash exploits then idk what the point is.