>Big announcement you guise
>25 anniversary, lots of great new content for fans of older titles
:D
>interviews and shit nobody cares about
:/
>back to the endless Warhammer slop

All things considered they will probably announce a new historical game at the end of the year but not before they bore and annoy the shit out of the fanbase with things no one cares about for the next six months.
No one is hyped for this and no one trusts CA to deliver at this point, I don't know why they bother. Just humbly announce something during the game awards or whatever instead of this self-congratulatory bullshit after spending years pissing everyone off with gross incompetence and mismanagement.

>>2067604
this
I hate all that artificial hype

I promised last thread to post these bad boys again but workable right out the box cuz I messed up with the DxWnd version I packed in
I know probably everyone that wanted to play the OGs already got them working last time but here we go again anyway
Full package, OG Shogun and Medieval with expansions, pre-patched and cracked and all that
>https://www.mediafire.com/file/pr3nyvlad4qitac/Total_War%25E2%2584%25A2_-_Classic_Collection_%2528Fixed%2529.rar/file
And just the exports for DxWnd if you already got your own copies
>https://www.mediafire.com/file/4p5h6t8sm0n1t98/SHOGUN-MEDIEVAL_Exports.rar/file
Both come with instructions

Imagine if their big announcement is Hyenas is back on.

>>2067653
I want this to happen just to laugh at them again when it becomes a money sink

>release Attila
>nobody buys it, financial failure
>release Thrones of Britannia
>nobody buys it, financial failure
>release Troy
>nobody buys it, financial failure
>release Pharoah
>nobody buys it, financial failure
vs.
>release Warhammer
>huge success
>release Three Kingdoms
>huge success
Historical fans don't buy games, fantasy fans do. It's no surprise that CA are looking to other big properties like GoT, Star Wars, and Battlestar Galactica.

>>2067661
>release Attila
>nobody buys it, financial failure
wow people didn't buy the dlc for rome remastered that launched right after it came out shitty?
>release Thrones of Britannia
>nobody buys it, financial failure
not a full TW game
>release Troy
>nobody buys it, financial failure
not a full TW game
>release Pharoah
>nobody buys it, financial failure
not a full TW game
vs.
>release Warhammer
>huge success
Yeah 1 and 2 sure, 3 was slop and people reacted accordingly.
>release Three Kingdoms
>huge success
this didn't happen

>>2067665
Three Kingdoms was the highest selling game in the entire franchise.

>>2067665
3 Kingdoms had the highest sales on release. Then for some reason CA thought releasing a DLC not about the 3 Kingdoms was a smart idea.

>>2067668
>>2067675
Chinese sales don't count.

>>2067685
Cope.

>>2067738
So you want total war: chinkland for the next 20 years?

>>2067746
We're getting Star Wars Total War, you silly billy.

>>2067746
sure, i'd rather play three chinkdoms than warhammer
but that's beside the point, if i get bored, i can stop playing the games at any time. i can't play games i'm not interested in in the first place, like warhammer.
would i prefer some other setting or period? sure, all things being ideal, i'd prefer another setting. but things are not ideal, all CA can make nowadays is cartoonish character-driven capeshit-tier slop, and three chinkdoms lends itself decently to that premise. not sure i want to see a game where oliver cromwell pays cardinal richelieu to defect to england and steal bayonet tech from louis the 13th

>>2067665
>histcucks don't judge game by quality and let attila flop
and you niggers expect anyone to cater to you

>>2067761
But Atilla was and is shit quality

>>2067761
Atilla was shit, and it's obvious that you have no proper taste in strategy games besides
>boing boing wahooo!
>my single hero just blew half their army away!!
>i'm so glad i can play warhammah on the easiest mode in 2025, such an amazing experience!

>>2067595 (OP)
>>back to the endless Warhammer slop
They are also pissing off the fantasy community, no DLC, hardly any reworks, no changes to game pace, no rework to corruption, public order, UI (the item rework did not add stacking to remove clutter), skill reworks, sieges still suck and so on.

>>2067761
Attila needed more time to work, it has good systems but they were badly implemented and or horribly balanced, plus the timeframe doesn`t allow that many factions.

>>2067661
release Medieval 3.

>>2067761
Attila was just putting lipstick on the pig that is Rome 2. Most of the same core problems were still there since it was just a glorified DLC. They did some things to make the campaign less shitty, but were still stuck with retarded ideas like the general-based recruitment system.

>>2067661
>release shit
>it fails
>release shit but for sub 5iq slopslurpers
>they slurp up the feces and beg for more like usual
Wow shocking

>>2067661
>>release Thrones of Britannia
>>nobody buys it, financial failure
>>release Troy
>>nobody buys it, financial failure
>>release Pharoah
>>nobody buys it, financial failure
Nobody wanted any of these. People want Med 3, Empire 3, and Shogun 3. Simple as.

>>2068014
>Empire 3
I meant Empire 2, my point still stands. Fuck you.

>>2068014
>People want Med 3, Empire 3, and Shogun 3
Those people are idiots, they're going to eventually make these and they're going to be shit.

>>2068033
>They are idiots for wanting something
>They should instead want something they don't like
Ok.

>>2068057
Med 2 fags are impossible to please and that's why CA has been stalling with making Med 3

>>2068100
>Med 2 fags are impossible to please
I just want god tier heavy cavalry and full mod support. Sorry you accept CA walking back the franchise with every installment.

>>2068104
>I just wanna use one unit, variety and strategy is SCARY!!!

>>2068057
They're idiots if they have any hope that CA would actually make those games any good. What they should be hoping for is that an actual competitor arrives on the scene and makes games in those settings that are actually good.

>>2068104
Cavalry has been the most overpowered unit in every historical game, what are you on about?

Already said this in one of the other threads, but aside from Med 3 I'd want a campaign about colonizing North America like what Med 2 and Empire had as bonus campaigns. I imagine it playing like Atilla but instead of Germanic tribes it's Indians and maybe the collapsing WRE can be the Aztecs instead.

>>2068209
Can we still have games about colonising the Americas? Or are western devs too pussy to do it?

>>2068214
They can buff the Indians to make them harder to conquer, then flip the narrative to be about the natives fighting against aggressive foreigners... wait, that's not politically correct either these days, is it

>>2067661
Epic paid for Troy and as a result Troy was released for free in 24 hours on epic game store and 7 million people download it. It would not have made 7 million in sales, but it was not a commercial failure because epic paidf or it.
Warhammer 1 and 2 sold around ~500k (wh2 less than wh1) on initial release.
Wh3 and 3k sold ~1 million.
Wh3 did not have IE for a year. Wh3 had cathay, daemons, kislev. So either Kislev and Daemons are more popular than Helves/delves/Empire/orcs/dwarves or the inclusion of fantasy China (Which was polled to be the most popular faction before IE) made WH3 sell more.

China sells, not fantasy.

>>2068033
19 years since medieval 2. Rome2 came out roughly 10 years after Rome 1.

>>2067595 (OP)
Alright? They're never going to beat rome medieval or shogun regardless of what they make next. I'm just sad more people don't try to break in the genre.

>>2067959
Thrones of Britannia was Medieval 3, and so was the Charlemange expansion for Attila.
Nobody bought it.

>>2068270
Medieval includes more than a few playable factions in one region. Neither ToB nor Attila (regardless of the DLC) were the Medieval that people want.
You're telling people to feed themselves with crumbles or a cake made of shit.

>>2068270
>Thrones of Britannia was Medieval 3

>>2067874
>>2067884
>>2067938
>>2067960
as expected, histcucks don't even play games. Attila is mechanically way more than a Rome 2 DLC. The actual Rome 2 DLCs released after Attila lack the features Attila has.

>>2068369
both were still shit

>>2068369
med 2 cucks have nostalgia goggles so fucking thick that there's no way they could ever be happy even if CA released exactly what they wanted and that's why CA doesn't give a shit about them

>>2067595 (OP)
"Vice President of Total War" is a pretty cool title, ngl

>>2068100
Delusional Med2fags are irrelevant. Bulk of current playerbase never played preRome 2, or at best preShogun2, titles. Med3 will sell like insane anyway by appealing to fans of medieval period to which Total War haven't appealed in 20 years. Oldfags complaining about miniscule bullshit won't matter, just like it doesn't matter how hard Paradox grogs seethe about HoI4, CK3 and Victoria3
>>2068104
Warscape games have better mod support than Med2/Rome
>>2067675
3kingdoms existed because GW didn't allow CA to make Cathay for TWW3. Once GW changed their stance, 3kingdoms became pointless and CA abandoned it.

>>2068369
kid, le epic troll excuse isn't really with anyone who's been on the carousel since rome1 or before. you warhammer fantasy are unironically a bunch of goyslopper of the worst caliber. you spent 350 euro in total into the warhammer trilogy, for a game that removed all the aspect of tactical maneuvering, morale shock and win by tactical knowledge and put instead meme unit, magic bullshit and god-like single unit. You are proud of being chosen by a dogshit company for being more brain dead and easy to deceive, all you care is this unoriginal fantasy ripoff. No gameplay, no brain, just le cute figurine. You are more than happy to have a game that has no gameplay correlation with the shit you see a monitor, even with empire you didn't need any healt bar, or the dogshit icon above a unit to know what's going on the map, now it's a clusterfuck of pixel. Yes even the presentation aspect regressed. CA think of you the same way the old guard think of you, and used your money on hyenas, because that's the feedback you give them, that's the game they thought you would like.
I would purchase a new TW only if is a good product, you no matter what

>>2068594
>you warhammer fantasy are unironically a bunch of goyslopper of the worst caliber
Yes warhammer community eat anything, it is an IP that sells itself. But you know what is more goyslop? Shogun 2 the peak of le historical community.

>>2068594
This reads like a TWC post

>>2068601
my favorite TW to this day is med1, it's a clunky pos game but still I love him.
shogun2 has the big limitation of the setting, you have a monoculture and you can do so much with it, were a game like med2 can have much more variety in it

>>2067661
Truth is that fantasy TWs are better videogames and "historical TW fans" are actually just nostalgiafag autists too afraid to play games with elves and magic

>>2068620
kek sometimes forum spergs are alright

>Medieval 2 gets a surprise patch named Hotseats & Halberds
>its on mobile

>>2068637
Fantasy or historical isn`t the problem, CA incompetence is, they keep downgrading mechanics with every recent installamente and now total war is a game that last 10 turns with a complete retarded AI.

>>2068620
the fact that ca, a left leaning company, managed to have such a vocal community of nationalist spergs who will screech and whine at absolutely anything just because their games gave them an outlet for their larp fantasies will never not be fucking funny to me

>>2068726
the pole spam with the wing hussars in the official TW forum back in the med2 development is the reason I despise polish people to this day

>>2068817
I haven't seen that, but I despise Polish people too. They're very whiny when they're doing badly, and very insolent when they're doing well. They're generally very aggressive, but in a pissy way, like a smoker who hasn't been able to smoke for a few hours.

>>2068957
That's every third worlder with internet access, I find.

>>2068992
Serbia is the most morally correct country in the world that was attacked for no reason btw

>>2069012
This but unironically

>>2068620
based Fyromian chad

>>2069012
all serbniggers will be skinned alive when justice comes

>>2068003
>one appreciate you for who you are
>the other doesn't
The gamer of equivalent of a TikTok slag wanting six-inches, six feet, six pack and a six figure salary.

Historylets literally don't know what they want, you give them history games and they get upset at the boring rosters. You give them games with more mechanics than previous games and they get upset at how confusing it is. The simple fact is that fantasy and sci-fi are more interesting and afford a greater variety of tactical and strategic decisions than history.
Lets look at the "best total war game" Shogun 2
>naval battles are just big squares shooting arrows at each other
>like a dozen units in the whole game
>diplomacy doesn't exist, end game everyone always teams up on you anyway
>units aren't tied to armies, so the ai just throws 1-2 units in a random grid and are easily ran over
The warhammer series is the only one where I've seen the AI form multiple armies. The only thing the history games have over warhammer is campaign mechanics, which are the most boring part of total war. It's a game about battles, and history has the most boring battles of all time.
>main lines fight
>flanks fight
>flanks win and hammer and anvil
That is every single history fight, without exception

>>2068110
Now you understand the histlet, there's a reason all their MP games (when they even have them) ban artillery, elephants, anything that would break muh hammer and anvil

>>2069462
>implying MPfags don't try to actively make fantasy games worse with their bitching

Imagine a total war game where the sieges aren't shit.

>>2069634

>>2069441
Second guy makes the least sense. If you ditched the trooper armor why would you wear the helmet?

Retards and lower-midwits are unfortunately a more reliable and loyal market than upper-midwits, so any profit-driven model will eventually start almost excuslively catering to the former.
>>2069441
>>main lines fight
>>flanks fight
>>flanks win and hammer and anvil
>That is every single history fight, without exception
VGH

>>2069634
Whoa we got John Lennon ova here

>>2067661
>Release meh game
>Release bad game
>Release absolute trash
>Release DEI trash
Wow, I guess it must be because those games are historical, and not because each of them WAS FUCKING AWFUL

>release Three Kingdoms
>huge success
God, I wish this was real

>>2069721
Three Kingdoms was their biggest launch ever, it only failed as far as post launch is concerned

>>2069661
He's not a trans mix-race mutt hollywood actor

>tsardoms keeps crashing
FUCK

>>2069796
>>tsardoms keeps crashing
it's a accurate sim for real tsardoms

i wouldn't so mind a fantasy total war game if it wasn't the shitty generic warhammer setting

>>2069912
>Warhammer
>Generic
Go back to reading isekai you weeaboo RAT

>>2069932
i'm not even a weeb thoughever, warhammer's medieval setting is objectively generic as compared to 40k.

>>2069933
Your mom's objectively fucking obese
Warhammer Fantasy is a great take on European fantasy, 40k is for actual deformed retards that still shit in diapers

>>2068957
I don't condone such antics but I actually like these sorts of Poles, at least they're normal enough. The post-modernists are the ones are insufferable, and I say that as a Polack myself.

>>2067661
Three Kingdoms is actually good game, it looks good and play good

>>2069966
my problem was not really about politics or any sort of historical care or desire for a correct portray, was the constant autistic spam for months on ends on this one unit. The charge bonus, the wing, the sound, not of the game as a whole, but of that fucking winged hussar and for someone not polish like myself, at that point not even aware of the existence of, was really really annoying.

>>2067685
>>2067746
What we want is irrelevant. CA is a private company whose only responsibility is to deliver high returns to it's shareholders. So they're going to do whatever makes the most money. Whether the money is coming from the west or from China is completely irrelevant. If China is the biggest market for historical titles then they will continue to target the Chinese market. It's that simple and if you can't recognise that you're a delusional retard.

>>2069933

>>2070339
This general goofy behavior of our autists on the internet in the early 2000s actually got so infamous in here that I could read about it in the newspapers at the time. I am still second hand embarassed about it.

>>2069985
it had a lot of good ideas but the battles kind of sucked, theres a lot of overlapping and useless units and the color based recruitment was very limiting

>>2069441
Because the maps and mechanics are shallow attempts to represent battles, giving an eternal eagle eye view and no difficulties of command and control
With 20 unit limits, there's very little "strategic" thinking because any unit not committed to battle is a unit not earning their keep; fatigue is a laughable debuff and there's no need to hold reserves.
Trying to stage a "trap" is just not using units, because there's no problem with cohesion of massive infantry blobs or friendly fire from ranged units
Units rearrange on a fucking dime and so there's no problem if a gigantic spider suddenly pops out of the woods because 120 men engaged in a battle on 3 sides can just pull out to use their "anti-giant" bonus to kill it (except for cavalry, who will get stuck and refuse to disengage when trying to cycle charge)
there is no reason for a "light" unit when "heavy" is tankier and deals more damage. You can't block a chokepoint in the map because, besides rivers, units have no problem sprinting up a 45° hill. Rough terrain like trees barely obscure units and LoS is laughable--Age of Empires' 1 fog of war hides more information about the enemy. You can't use units of lesser quality more efficiently to turn the tide of battle becauss the numerical stars don't work like that, focusing on the bigger numbers than actual battlefield conditions and mechanics
Lose a bunch of soldiers? Your critical and elite vanguard? No worries, sit in place the tiny, isolated village you just conquered, they'll replenish for free, regardless of distance from where they can be recruited. Meanwhile, the AI will cheat out another full stack of t4 units next turn as if you didn't just spend 10 minutes (the longest nuTW battle) wiping out another 20 t4 units.
How exciting, no wonder autoresolve is better than actually playing the "game" because there's no strategic value in playing the game. Even the Warhammer tabletop has kept it balanced and fun

>>2070480
A lot of those limitations are present in the historical games so I don't know why you're framing this as if it's exclusively a fantasy problem.
>gif
I fucking wish Napoopan actually had battles like that

>>2070484
I didn't mean to imply it's exclusively a warhammer problem, all of the modern historical titles fall within the same folleys, in spite of the Bulgarians' best efforts to try to improve the game

>>2070488
>modern
Really all of them, especially if we're talking about scale. Morale and to an extent terrain were once more important but I never felt the need to worry about -for example- reserves for the very reasons you stated in any TW, it's the nature of the games. At least now 40 unit battles are possible.

>>2068231
>China sells
Pretty much all you needed to say, I've seen companies bend over backwards for these "people" enough times to know that if you want your game to sell but aren't confident enough, just shove a large helping of something Chinese (probably culturally) and watch your bottom line skyrocket.
>>2068655
Good, last time CA updated one of their old games (Shogun 2) shit went wrong.
>>2069933
I think you're looking at it too broadly. From the outside looking in, with no knowledge of WHF at all, it can look generic. Peel back a layer or two and like >>2069956 said (disregarding the rest of his sperging), you have a hell of a take on European Fantasy. Calling it generic because it has...what? No, seriously, how is it generic in any way besides having standard fantasy races?

>>2069756
>Financial failure is actually good, because it had a successful launch
That makes the eventual failure all that worse

>>2068231
>China sells, not fantasy.
Ironic, given how hard 3K bombed
And Chinks liked the game, so it's not even that

>>2070662
Who are you quoting?

>>2067661
R2 killed all of the trust CA had built up after Shogun 2. CA just needs to make a good historical game. Also troy was basically a fantasy game.

>>2068231
>Warhammer 1 and 2 sold around ~500k (wh2 less than wh1) on initial release.
who cares about initial release warhammer 2 kept selling well all the way to release of 3
>So either Kislev and Daemons are more popular than Helves/delves/Empire/orcs/dwarves or the inclusion of fantasy China (Which was polled to be the most popular faction before IE) made WH3 sell more
or the final part of a trilogy which was getting better and better made people hyped as fuck
>China sells, not fantasy.
both of those things sell but chinks dont buy dlc as was shown with 3K horrible dlc sales but fantasy keeps selling dlc

>>2070781
>chinks dont buy dlc
More like the DLCs were straight up horrible. The game and none of the DLCs even take place in the actual Three Kingdoms period, which is what everyone wanted.

>>2070806
the build up to three kingdoms is way more interesting for a total war game than 3 blobs duking it out

>>2070781
>chinks dont buy dlc
It's not that. It's very easy to offend chinks and they keep grudges. You piss chinks and they will remember. And CA and grace really pissed them off

>>2070843
Still, when you see complaints about the DLC that is most of what you see. There's no Jin dynasty stuff in the game, either.

>>2070848
They just have standards and paid DLCs that add a trillion bugs and crashes are not it.
>You piss chinks and they will remember.
That's why they are some of the biggest buyers of WH3, innit?

>>2070848
>they keep grudges
>chinks
Yeah it's not like there's tons of people still seething about Rome II over a decade later

>>2070902
It's power fantasy. CA learned lesson and kneeled to them.
TK was their history and they are extremely petty and rabid about it. Just ask any pata drone

>>2070781
>as was shown with 3K horrible dlc sales but fantasy keeps selling dlc
3K DLC was shit. Most of them didn't expand on the main campaign but gave you new campaigns to play. It meant they were mostly bland and uninteresting instead of creating one good start date with lots of content.
Warhammer DLC throws more factions into the same campaign so people buy it.

>>2070806
3 kingdoms proper is like the least interesting part of the period. Related media start with yellow turban rebellion because that's when the book, Romance of the Three Kingdoms, that popularised it starts. The "muh 3 kingdoms" is some autistic westoid literal reading of the title and unfamiliarly with the source material. By the time the 3K form most of the interesting characters are already dead and not much happens afterwards until they all just anticlimactically collapse because of corruption.

>>2070902
Chinks are buying cause of miao ying slannesh mod

>Total War Three Kingdoms failed because they never released a DLC of Cao Pi, Zhuge Liang and Sun Quan having a Mexican standoff across their comically defensible natural borders until Zhuge Liang dies, Shu collapses and Wei sweeps
do people actually believe this or is it trolling/retards who know nothing about the setting making shit up to complain

Was it kino?

>>2071543
>he thinks total war wont sacrifice historical accuracy for gameplay
lol

>>2071543
>Cao Pi, Zhuge Liang and Sun Quan
>Zhuge Liang
Poor Liu Shan, rest in piss. To be fair Wei was basically ran by Sima Yi at that point too, the fucker just outlived everyone competent.

But yeah you find this a lot on plebbit or wherever TW is discussed. I'm not really sure if people are just being retarded about something outside of their special interest or just romaboos desperately making up reasons why 3K failed, even though it really didn't, because they think that makes their game more likely to happen. The online TW "fandom" seems extremely threatened by "china pandering", warhammerfags believed the ridiculous "rumour" that the DLC was going to be nothing but cathay and are patting themselves on the back for having a meltown about it when it was never going to happen.

>>2071586
Except there is nothing to gain by doing it anyway because TW formula just doesn't work for a startdate where the map is just split in 3.

>>2071592
>romaboos
Strange that you're throwing romefags under the bus when it's the medfags and empirefags who are the most vocal about wanting every game not made specifically for them to fail and for CA to go under for even trying to experiment with other settings.

>>2071698
Fair, rome got called out only because it has a funny term attached, but there isn't one that rolls off the tongue nicely related to medieval era I could think of. There are no medieval, knight or crusade -boos, there are byzantophiles but that's just rome again, maybe it's just chuds.
Anyway, medfags genuinely have it the worst, it's the oldest game without direct sequel and one still in the old engine. Closest it got was like Charlemagne or ToB but that's not really the same period. Though grognards insisting it's literally perfect and still mad 20 years later aren't helping. If you hate everything TW stands for you don't really need a sequel. Empire, I just refuse to believe anyone genuinely enjoyed that game so I didn't even think of it. I may shit on r1/med2 purists but empire is just indefensible.

>>2071584
STORM CLOUDS GATHER OVER EUROPE

>>2071723
I think Med2fags partially just want a sequel for the purposes of shitting on it because CA (especially modern CA) can't possibly meet their standards. For as good as that game was, the community has elevated it to the point of delusion. The tragedy of Medieval 2 was that it was a diamond in the rough which showed potential for the future, not that it was a literally perfect game that evil CA abandoned in order to release mediocrity.
Empirefags are on copium, there's no way they genuinely enjoy that game, but it's pretty clear by now that CA cannot pull off a good sequel, which is why we've had nothing but sword&board games since Rome II even though this engine was designed for gunpowder warfare.

What does Volound have to say?

I want to see a 'Medieval II Remastered' just like how the original Rome TW got one. That way modders can port Europa Barbarorum II and also remove the hard-coded limits that limited EBII, essentially allowing it morph into an 'Europa Barbarorum III' as every rebel province is turned into it's own full faction.

>>2071908
Feral said it won't happen because they don't have enough people to work on it.

>>2071930
Source on that?

>>2071933
Their official X account.
On the flipside, and keep in mind that I haven't tested it myself, they apparently fixed pikes and the 2h bug in the mobile port they are working on, if you care to play that.

>>2067661
Pharoah would be good but I find the map very boring. It's basically just one long river with nothing interesting on it

>>2071750
I actually love empire's campaign map. The battles leave a bit to be desired even when they work, sure, but it's not unsalvageable.

>>2068369
Yea Attila is a more interesting game but, it came out as a dumpster fire release and that kills games before they can even get off the ground, even as my favourite game in the series I can admit it, also
>It still runs like shit

>>2071948
If map size is the issue, Dynasties expands it by a lot. The battles suck ass, though.

>>2071959
Oh shit, they do? And here I was thinking of getting it.

>>2071962
If you own Pharaoh then it is already in your library. I didn't like the battles because they feel too much like a Warhammer mod since it's the same engine.

>>2071964
I was thinking of getting Pharaoh because of the sales and denuvo.
How does it compare to ToB or Shogun 2 since these are the last historical games on warscape that I played?

>>2068594
Based

>>2071965
As far as battles are concerned? Original Pharaoh is on the slower side since they added a new armor degradation mechanic as another layer on top of the armor stat. IMO it's redundant because we already had Armor and Armor Penetration, plus it makes battles very grindy if you don't have proper shock like chariots or 2h infantry to bypass the armor. It has formations but they feel pretty barebones since they use repurpose animations from other things. You can order units to push or make organized retreats for some niche applications, but it looks kinda janky imo, the Warscape collisions don't help. No cavalry and chariots are meant to fill their role, but their pathfinding is pretty bad. Maps are designed pretty much exactly like Troy, so there's not a lot of room to maneuver on large unit sizes but you can try to set up more choke points with the terrain and you have tall grass to hide everywhere.
Dynasties is pretty much the same except they added a Lethality mechanic to counteract the armor mechanic from the original to make battles less grindy and kind of more like classic TW, except not really because it's still a post-Rome II Warscape game. There's also the caveat of making high charge units and archers extremely powerful broken while archer chariots are useless because they die to everything and don't have the numbers to abuse Lethality. They added iron age heavy cavalry to Assyria (instead of historical light cavalry to the right factions) so chariots are pretty much pointless so long as you have access to those since cavalry is better in every way. The maps added to Greece and Mesopotamia are bigger and better to maneuver in large unit sizes, but the original maps are unchanged, so playing as Egypt and Hatti is an inferior experience.

>>2071973
Thanks a lot for the comprehensive response. Seems like CA sofia tried to work around the warscape health bar system. I am a fan of slower battles like in Med 2 but what you described seems like a mixed experience at best with infantry eating shit due to Lethality.

>>2071976
Pretty much, it's Sofia trying its best to work around the engine's limitations with mixed results. IMO that game is pretty emblematic of CA as a company and all the bad decisions they made with the franchise.

All I want is for history games to keep building on their good features and not get actively worse. Fantasyfans expose themselves as the most shameless goyslop feeders when this is somehow considered an unrealistic problem.

>faction number
Used to be a tidy amount, now it's 3 + day 1 dlc + further dlc
>map size
Peaked in Empire, though that map was clearly too shallow it at least had ambition. A world total war is the clear evolution of the formula but CA haven't even tried.
>mod support
Peaked in Rome Remastered, which wasn't made by CA and also came in a later patch. Empire, Shogun 2, Napoopan, Rome 2, Atilla, 3K all have terrible mod support. The last good mod support CA offered was in Medieval 2.
>gameplay feel
The single biggest issue in the series and the one that hasn't received so much as a whiff of being addressed. The combat in every warscape title feels like floaty unsatisfying shit. There is no impact in charges, no proper holding of lines, no breaking of ranks with missiles. To make matters worse the games have turned into spazzy gookclick reactionary gameplay instead of steady execution of a tactical gameplan, but even mods to slow the battles down don't fix things. It quickly becomes more fun to just autoresolve everything.
>campaign gameplay
Everything is just tiresome doomstack vs doomstack now thanks to the godawful generals and recruitment system changes. Medieval 2 is still the best because the small scale battles are some of the most fun and tactically challening, and you don't automatically have 20 of your best unit available for every battle.
>AI
Was never good but has gone full retard ever since Rome 2. CA even put in the infamous ass ladders because they couldn't just fix their own AI. And don't even get me started on the invisible buff problem for higher difficulties instead of smarter opponents.

They have all the tools, they ought to make a game that sets new highs in all these ways.

>>2071930
>they don't have enough people to work on it
Enough competent people maybe.

>>2067595 (OP)
Dominions: Total War when?

They can sell the ahit factions as dlc as long as Arcoscephale, Pan and/or Man are base game factions. Maybe Ermor even.

>>2071930

I would pay good money for a game that allows 'Europa Barbarorum III' to exist.

>>2071998
for me, it's Agartha

>>2067595 (OP)
i dont want them to ever make a historical game ever again as i know for a absolute fact that they will put heroshit and legendary lords in it
so, good, keep making magical monster shit

>>2072106
You WILL get Med 3 on warscape with day 1 Vatican DLC with Legendary Lord Pope Gregory VII on his Pope throne mount carried by swiss body guards and splash attack with his wooden cross that sends units flying
It WILL have 50m grass draw distance
It WON'T have archers on high ground at advantage vs low ground
It WILL have units using ass ladders and they will prioritise those instead of using the gate
And you WILL like it.

>>2072110
>recruit HOLY ARCHER
>open tooltip
>hover over ammunition type
>holy damage
s-so... this... this is... historical gameplay...

>>2072113
Is holy damage more effective against heathens or is that too politically incorrect

>>2067595 (OP)
is CA going to apologise for Hyenas?

>>2072106
>>2072110
>>2072113

Pharaoh wasn't like this. Just unique portraits and minor stat buffs for the starting lords, and they were perfectly mortal.

>>2072521
>Pharaoh wasn't like this.
lol

>>2071987
You sir, are based and correct. However the older titles such as med2 and rome1 had one fatal flaw: they were far too easy and the AI was merely a punching bag.

Give me Medieval 2 but:

>actually competent AI that makes the game challenging
>recent graphics
>more flavor and factions
>battle bugs corrected
And it’ll be the greatest Total War game ever.
Sadly all CA shits out these days are games where you can’t recruit a unit without a general and one hero/lord can take on an entire unit

>>2072574
>You sir, are based and correct. However the older titles such as med2 and rome1 had one fatal flaw: they were far too easy and the AI was merely a punching bag.
my friend this is every real-time strategy game

>>2072597
which is a problem

>>2072597
Of course, but I’d argue older TWs are among the worst in that regard
You could just hammer and anvil your way through the campaign with general bodyguards without ever breaking a sweat

>>2072574
I agree but honestly it's the smallest of the concerns for me. I could deal with the same retard opponent AI if everything else I mentioned hit a new high. At least Medieval 2 gives you memorable battles when you get thrown into unexpected situations.

>Three Kingdoms actually outsold WH3 but CA abandoned it because it isn't a framework for infinite faction DLCs and out of spite for people criticizing the broken DLCs they did make
why is every video game company run by the pettiest cunt on the planet

>>2072975
Ford Vs dodge

>>2072975
Its not fair 3K bros

>>2073047
Should buy dlc chinkman

>>2073050
I'd rather preserve my human dignity rather than becoming a human swine for a British corporate.

>>2073187
>Human dignity
>Chinkman
Anon pls
But yeah in general I agree with sentiment

>>2072379
Only against European pagans (NOT Sami)

>>2073050
If the DLC was any good. The whole start dates thing was just dumb. Grand campaign is always the most popular way to play the game and 8 princes was shit nobody cares about, but at least that was a campaign, it was downhill from there, world betrayed has only 2 unique factions and fates divided adds literally nothing other than just starting as a bigger caocao blob you could have been playing in 190 instead

i tried pirating tw warhammer 2 but one certain windows update borked all the cracks, is there no remedy? and why the fuck hasn't warhammer 3 been cracked already
and no im not giving these hacks my money

>>2067595 (OP)
The fantasy settings are dumb, turning the game into a role-playing game, just without any kind of story. The battles are goofy in a fantasy setting, not immersive. The system was designed to simulate human battle, not dragons and shit.

>>2074227
just buy base game on key site and pirate all dlc

>>2074262
think im going to buy a spare ssd, take the linuxpill and fetch WH3 from a russian torrent

>>2068534
>Warscape games have better mod support than Med2/Rome
oh yeah? where are all the total conversion mods? I can't seem to find them

>>2068534
>Warscape games have better mod support than Med2/Rome
Nigga pls
Warscape games were first to obscure modding, especially map modding. Just so they sell more dlc.

>>2071948
Left is N'Kari in Immortal Empires. Every fucking battle is hammer and anvil tactics with elves. 50 turns of widdling down elves by doing the bait and ambush tactic before you can finally move on to another part of the map. N'kari gets blown up in seconds by archers because he's a massive target and also sucks at dueling. Such a cool campaign ruined by doing the same shit over and over again.

This is why I wont play the historical slop.

>>2072975
>but CA abandoned it because it isn't a framework for infinite faction DLCs
Make up your mind nigger. If you don't want them making infinite DLC then you can't complain about abandonment. If the game doesn't need more DLC then it's not being abandoned but it's simply done.

>>2074601
Ta but 3k wasn't done, CA even hinted/promised incoming map expansion and extra nomads just before pulling out plug
quality of dlc was quite low and there were bugged to hell too, also they piss of chinks
Tbh it just need like 2-3 dlc and extra patching and it would be finished and great

>>2074601
Three Kingdoms was the most abandoned TW that has ever been abandoned, and it was all due to CA's incompetence. Each time they made new content they would add new bugs to the game and make it less stable, you can feel it to this day because they never fixed some of the bugs. Only a company as retarded as CA could jump ship after such a hugely successful launch because they couldn't figure out a good business model for post-launch support, in spite of the fact that everyone was happy with the base game and just wanted more (worthwhile) content.

>>2067595 (OP)
>publish warhammer game
>sell 2 million copies
>publish three kingdoms game
>sell 3 million copies
>publish historical game
>complete flop, histoids just screech about how it's not like shogun 2
historyniggers dug their own grave, now fucking lie in it

>>2074540
N'kari was one of my favorite campaign, 100 speed rape demon running circles around people is dope.
It's a bit easier if you have the monogod CW DLC because slaaanesh chaos warriors can hold the line pretty well.
Also don't forget that with the subjugation mechanic you can recruit elf units pretty early on and have some of the most diverse armies in the game.

>>2075244
>publish fantasy game for existing fantasy demographic
>$$ profit
>publish game for existing chink demographic
>$$$ profit
>publish historic game for non existent demographic(bronze age middle east) when ignoring existing demographic(Medieval, Empire, Rome)
>no profit
really, such a mystery

>>2075261
add to that that its a reskin with minimal improvements and you lose anyone who would be interested in it otherwise.

>>2075261
this is the most retarded fucking cope I've ever read
yeah Ancient Egypt, really fucking underground nobody's ever heard about it
the viking("existing demographic(Medieval" according to you) game flopped
the egypt game flopped
the trojan war game flopped
setting isn't the issue, historyfags most of whom are only interested in jerking off to 20 year old games are

>>2075272
It's not cope, it's truth. Nobody really gives fuck about all of them outside maybe vikings and viking fans prefer RPG or action games than strategy. Not mention that the viking game scope is limited as hell and it's more of UK thing than continentals.
You can cry and piss yourself but that is reality.
Setting matter. Just imagine(if you can) that instead of Current setting in Warhammer CA made Age of Sigmar total war - it would be flop.
>>2075269
Dunno. People who played pharaoh claim otherwise but there is the thing. Almost nobody played it. It may be good but I do not gonna pay to test it.

>>2075307
sure setting matters, but pretending extremely popular settings like the Vikings, Ancient Egypt and the Trojan War are for "non existent demographic" is pure cope and delusion on your part

you can seethe about it all you want, literally everyone in the world knows about those settings and the only "non existent demographic" is historical total war players
warhammer fans actually buy video games, chinese fans actually buy video games, you autistic faggots still malding about Rome 2 don't

>>2075692
>extremely popular settings like the Vikings, Ancient Egypt and the Trojan War
Vikings maybe but it's more action oriented not strategy, and it's more of a normie fad
>Ancient Egypt
In what crowd? We wuz pharaons and shit? Cleopatra I guess as background character for Caesar
>Troy
>Extremely popular
Nigga be real, make it at last believeable, name 3 pieces of recent media, it's generally unknown for normies outside of bread pit fangirls

>>2075692
>Everybody knows =|=everybody wants
It's that simple
Nigger historical fans are existing at last in your head living rent free. I have games from all three categories and mostly for settings.
Let's not joke that Warhammer games are of any good quality here. it's sure that Warhammer fags like you buy everything no matter of quality. And 3k game was shut down because chinks refused to buy cheap crap dlc they do not want.
Dunno why you put this as some badge of honor.
>I have no taste but must consume!!!

>>2075692
>literally everyone in the world knows about those settings
Just because everyone knows about them doesn't mean they fucking give a shit.

>>2075251
It is my new favorite too and I abuse every mechanic. I just got tired of fighting fucking elves everytime I started a new campaign.
The problem I made is I totally destroyed their armies instead of just fucking them up really bad and then making them waste turns getting back home. When I left survivors they attacked way less often.
Also trying to vassalize the non Legendary Lord NPC armies was dumb too, because they just get rolled.

>>2075272
Vikang game is the only successful SAGA game
Nobody cares for antiquity beyond Rome and even it isn't that popular as you might think. Interesting history only truly started around ~AD1000 in Europe which is when currently existing countries and nations truly started to form. This is of a paramount importance because it lets European chuds make their own countries bigger in game, thus driving sales

>>2075911
Pretty much, "historical fans" in a broad sense don't really exist, there's some people who will play games in various settings but most don't care about anything outside their special interest or nationalistic chud fantasy.

>>2075911
This. It the same thing that drive sales for Paradox games, notice that their ancient Rome game is the weakest performer.
>>2075920
Agree. And it's often that not their interest overlap. Like in my case. I like Rome(caused by Centurion and Macedonian trilogy books I read when I was younger) or Medieval(again books and my country history) settings but also far east and oriental(again books especially Clavel but also movies like 3 kingdoms or old Koei games) settings and Warhammer(caused by me playing Warhammer fantasy RP and Dark omen when I was younger). I have zero interest in bronze age(nothing that I really can identify or cheer for), little in vikings age that do not touch east or whole europe(desu I would look with interest at sid Meier vikings style game), nor in age of sigmar fantasy games.

>shitty system of armies tied to Generals
>shitty province system with less customisations over a long campaign (give me the option to make an obscure backwater village into a glorious capital again)
>dumbed down campaign gameplay (city growth & population are "points", dumbed down economy & diplomacy except in some specific games)
>emphasis on "cinematic" battles & "next-gen" graphics
>the eternal "Siege battles play like absolute shit & AI can't be competent without cheats"
Last TW I bought and played was War2. I was interested in the bronze age stuff but ultimately decided it wasn't worth it for now.
I wish CA would change that stupid formula we've been stuck with for over 10 years. It just kills replayability for me.

>>2075991
3K has population numbers, but in general that malding about the settlement system needs to stop, it's been 15 years. Being able to build one of everything didn't really make the system any deeper, it was a shit system where most of it didn't matter and was completely mindless. It didn't even have more stats to balance than the newer more boardgamey style.
Same with generals, the army limit is almost never a limiting factor and only thing that really got eliminated is garrisons which are mostly provided by buildings now. I don't know in what universe were captains such an important feature.
Sieges are still mostly shit and CA can't decide what to do about them, they've tried to just have fewer of them but unwalled settlements are even worse

>>2075911
I wonder how would fare Charlemange vs Thrones if Charlemange was standalone SAGA title

>>2076014
settlement system(province especially) is bad, sure the old system have its own problems but you build up everything only in Rome 1/Med 2, Shogun 1/Med 1 had similar system but it was often not possible or not economical viable to build everything - so it was more specialized provinces
Anyway the other problem is recruitment system and it was always was problem with tiered and branched buildings for recruitment - but it get bigger with limited slots and general only recruitment/general only armies for obvious reasons

>>2076213
I mean, if you have to reach to S1/M1 for "good old times", it's just moving goalposts until you hit a game nobody played those or cares enough to have an opinion on so you can believe whatever about it. Also new system bad because you have to specialise provinces, but when called out that the old system was just as much if not even more shallow because there's no decision making involved it's even older system good because you have to specialise provinces, so is specialisation good or not.
Recruitment/recruitment buildings I agree with though. It's been my pet peeve that the moment one of your settlement hits level 5 it can recruit infinite amount of your best unit that makes everything else obsolete and you make a doomstack of them because having a balanced high tier army would require several different buildings. I feel like this is mostly a warhammer issue though. Most of other modern TW games either have fewer or no recruitment buildings, differences between unit tiers aren't as stark, there are other limiting factors preventing you from making a doomstack as soon as you unlock it or they are gated behind something else than just settlement level like a tech tree.

>>2076257
I misunderstood me or I wasn't clear.
The issue with provinces and recruitment in newer games come from older that had similar problem but general only recruitment and provinces+regions with limited slots exaggerated it

>>2076203
Better. Not great but still better by far. The key is to go big then narrowed focus that can pad the initial release. I think they even said mini campaigns like welves and beastmen raroo were not well received. Mini campaigns just in general are not popular. If you released Rome2 today (instead of 2013), a DLC campaign that sets it to the Diadochi (Even though that's just 50 years prior to Rome 2) will sell better than a DLC mini-campaign of just the Diadochi. One problem is simply that there's very few (if any) geographical areas where a mini campaign makes sense, so you get a stupid lockout. Some are worse than others (Wrath of sparta being the worst I can think of).

But with Charles in charge you get a much broader network of interest options. The region lockout would piss me off about a crusades Saga but I would still get what I am interested in with it, whereas someone who wants that Western/Northern European experience would have the region lock and interest lock issue.

>>2076608
yeah, that make sense
>>2076257
nah, you misunderstood me, or I wasn't clear enough, most TW games suffer from similar problems but modern province and recruitment system make it worse
>>2076257
>tem good because you have to specialise provinces, so is specialisation good or not.
>Recruitment/recruitment buildings I agree with though. It's been my pet peeve that the moment one of your settlement hits level 5 it can recruit infinite amount of your best unit that makes everything else obsolete and you make a doomstack of them because having a balanced high tier army would require several different buildings.
>I feel like this is mostly a warhammer issue though
that is old problem, especially Med 1 suffered from it but this exist in most of the games, the thing is modern TW and especially Warhammer suffer from loot coin based economy(and how armies and garrisons work) - you need to use army all time to earn coin and exp, can't have weak army standing somewhere and defending or scaring off enemy, in Warhammer waiting army cost you gold and income by not earning it

>>2072473
lmao >apologise
No fucking way, I just hope sega literally takes them out back and rapes them for making that stupid fucking game.

>>2067639
Gave Medieval a try but all I have is a black screen with the sound playing in the background. The DxWnd thing didn't help at all

This used to work without any issues in my previous PC. Pretty sad that I can't play it on my current one.

>>2076897
that is why you use Win7
the only TW game I can't play on it is Rome remaster, fucking faggots from feral

>>2076938
maybe bro has a newer gpu which lacks win 7 drivers like me

>>2077015
what you have?

>>2077025
4070 ti super
believe me anon, its the only reason win 7 is no longer my default OS

>>2077028
yeah, I got you, I bough 3060 just so I can use

>>2076897
Works fine on my Win10 but I'm using AMD

>>2071948
I remember being linked a video of some Youtube schizo about winning an unwinnable battle or something that was supposed to prove the depth of Warhammer's combat to me and it looked exactly like the right image.

>>2077094
Yeah, there are fags who built entire career around gettign AI to moshpit around the hero and blowing it all up with spells and artillery and we are supposed to believe this is "being good at the game" or "engaging gameplay", I'll take basic bitch hammer and anvil over it desu. Such a stupid way to play.
This also happens in warhammer because enemies get massive combat stat bonuses based on difficulty level so your spearmanii just lose in a 1:1 fight against identical unit so you only use single entities to tie up enemy units since they can be hit by only few models at a time and can tank for days while not blocking los for your ranged units that can deal damage without being attacked in return. And you can't take losses because you need to take 4 stacks in a row because money cheats too.
I will never understand faggots playing on legendary.

>>2078222
Same. Some funniest battles I had in Rome I was on hard/normal when both sides fielded low tier troops

>>2078222
I just find it funny that you get people selling WH's unit variety when the playstyles are 9/10:
>Spearelfii and bowelfiii (Think that legend faggot does this or something) and that's it
>SEM spam with half or 3/4th or 90% of your army one unit
>Herohammer where nothing matters but your hero and the nuke option
Or it's the most popular factions being infantry/artillery centric conventionals like Dwarves, Empire, Cathay. And the most popular mods for the empire add in heavy conventional infantry or WW1 shit.

The one valid take is that they like the unit variety of things to fight. But the big lesson I see for historical to take from historical is one I talked about before: The exaggerated unit differences. Functionally there is nothing different between an orc, a dwarf, and a skaven that you can't do in historical: It's mass, morale, variables like "Doesn't give a shit if others flee", and animations. You can take the difference of:
>wood elf waystrider (the high rank guys whatever their name is)
>a skaven slave slinger (for want of an archer)
>Dawi crossbowmen

And apply everything but the animation and visual to a welsh longbowmen, ottoman azab archer, and Swiss crossbowmen respectively. Thereby making it so the ranged experience of Wales, Ottomans and Swiss are dramatically different. The visual isn't as exotic between them but you spend 95% of the time up in the air because of how fast WH combat is, so aside of unit card and voiceover you don't get to really enjoy that.

>>2079400
>Spearelfii and bowelfiii
these are actually one unit which has both

>>2075272
when someone thinks of egypt they think of buildings not warfare
trojan war has one interesting thing and that can be experienced by watching the fucking movie
viking game has too small of a scale

>>2079446
Viking game would be good for something like sid Meier pirates. If you want viking age tw you need to increase scale - pretty much whole europe plus north africa

>>2067595 (OP)
God I hope the big suprise is Hyenas 2

>>2079426
>spearbowelfii.
Pic related at that realization.

>>2079446
I don't think I responded to that fag baiting people (unless I did and I am relitigating this) but you're right. When people think Egypt they think
>uuuuuoooooooooohhhhhh brown catgirl/jackal girl/ect
Or pyramids or buildings (It's one of the peak city builder settings) or music or maybe vaguely mythology.
With babylon they tend to think of fucking Gilgamesh who isn't even Babylonian, or just a vague hazy orientalized generic middle-east concept. Different periods/settings have different draws, but Egypt has NEVER been big for anyone but historian types militarily, that's never been it's MO for pop appeal.

>>2079886
Kekaroo

>>2075911
>Vikang game is the only successful SAGA game
ToB flopped, it has less players than Dynasties

>>2079902
>Egypt has NEVER been big for anyone but historian types militarily, that's never been it's MO for pop appeal.
That's true but to be fair it's mostly because no one ever bothered doing shit with it, there's untapped potential there to be sure since the Egyptian military was very well developed and people could become interested in the period with the right (read 'good') game, but CA should have never released their Bronze Age game before Medieval III or Empire II, because that's what people want right now.

Anyone else just want them to make more china? I still want my Warring States and Taiping Rebellion expansions for Three Kingdoms

>>2081855
I want them to use 3K diplo and shit to make shogun 3.

What has CA been up to after cancelling Hyenas? Warhammer 3 DLC is still slop and slow to release, no other games officially announced for years.
What does CA even do?

>>2081855
Nah. I would prefer Genghis knah game.

>>2069441
You will never see a naked woman.

>>2070480
cool gif ngl

>>2082002
Thanks. I seen your mom and have enough

>>2068104
>>2068100
I just wanna see EuropaBarbarorum 3. Thats all

>>2067661
>release Thrones of Britannia
shit game
>release Troy
shit game
>release Pharoah
shit game
>release Three Kingdoms
>huge success
Still cut down support.

is the big CA announcement not until the end of the year?

ahem

>>2084750
They have previously announced that there will be an announcement before end of the year, when exactly nobody knows.

>>2081975
Presumably they are making the next mainline game they might announce this year. 3K is long dead and despite the "future" sequel probably never got off the ground, pharaoh is obviously done and sofia is now maintaining warhammer so they are not making anything new either. So the total war "A Team" should have been free. Unless they gutted that one too they must be doing something that takes time.

>>2084770
>They have previously announced that there will be an announcement
I HATE THIS SHIT

>>2084781
I mean I hate that too, I feel like it's hints of teasers of announcements hidden in unrelated posts. Keep the audience engaged even tough we are years away from actually being able to play anything new.

>>2068413
Third reich tier shit

I started total war by getting 3 kingdoms but I never played it because it couldn't run on my old laptop and was cancerous to attempt on Steam Deck. With a new laptop I got into Warhammer 3 but burned out eventually because I found it hard to learn and my new laptop isn't exactly the best so it got quite hot. Recently I played Shogun 2 though and had a lot of fun. It was also real easy to learn important skills. With these and a laptop fan, I went back to 3 Kingdoms after hearing that its base game is fine alone. Despite only having Intel Iris XE, I can run it at max graphics with no lag, and the game is beautiful. Playing as a little faction in this vast China is very comfy too. The mechanics are really fun, and I am having a good time flanking the enemy and enjoying the cool generals. The diplomacy and city building being complex is also very nice. While the time period means I know I won't get any explosions or anything, there is a sort of nice subtlety to the units that you learn to enjoy as your taste matures. This all has gotten me interested in old Chinese history and Romance of the Three Kingdoms too. It is genuinely enjoyable even this early on and has made me happier than ever. It does sadden me to hear that the company behind these games essentially shit the bed after releasing 3 Kingdoms though. How is the modding scene for this game?

who else here is celebrating the 4th with a Road to Independence playthrough?

>>2069912
fantasy/ mytho elements in troy were pretty fun, shame the rest of the game was shit though

>be me
>play shogun
>play mtw1
>play rome1
>play mtw2
>play empire and hate it
>never buy another CA game again
>mfw

>>2085421
>I got into Warhammer 3 but burned out eventually because I found it hard to learn
what are you, a retard? Even a monkey could figure out that shitty game

>>2085460
Shogun 2 and Napoleon were alright, you should pirate them sometime

>>2085523
I was still very new to the series and didn't understand many mechanics yet. It was also before I got a laptop fan to keep my laptop from overheating which led to me being distracted. Now that I know things and am more focused, I could probably go back to it and do very good. I do recognize how simple it is in comparison to the other games, and also remember stuff like spells basically turning a lot of things into a joke. I wasn't too skilled but it was pretty easy to figure out how to cheese things even back then.

>>2085421
Watch 2010ThreeKingdom series. It's good even if not exactly correct but it is great quality production.

>>2085460
Wise choice. 3K is still solid choice. Rest is meh.

>>2085460
do newfags not know how to use the "mfw"?

>>2085430
I don't celebrate shit. I don't care.

>>2081855
I want medieval 3 (with medieval 2 physics) utilising the whole of eurasia

>16 games over 25 years
>only 7 are worth playing
>only 2 of them have actually good AI and they were the first and oldest two games
i love total war but it sucks that every single game is irreparably broken and has its own unique issues and problems

>>2085812
>only 7 are worth playing
MTW, STW, RTW, MTW2, NTW, STW2 and Fall of the Samurai?

>>2085829
>NTW
Be serious

>>2086997
Which game would you have instead?
>inb4 the bug-infested mess that was Empire

>>2086997
NAPOOPAN is a genuinely good game and one of the rare TWs where the battles are so good they're actually worth fighting more than a handful of times. Its campaign is short and small, but what's there is top-tier.

>>2085829
Shogun 2 and FOTS are the same game
i actually really like empire and think it shines with some mods even though its obviously the black sheep of the pre-rome2 games

>>2081975
Basically they underwent a restructuring, laid off most of their management and top leadership, and cancelled all of their unannounced in-development projects (there were supposedly 3 of them). Then they went through this whole humiliation ritual of pitching projects to SEGA for funding and desperately trying to convince the execs to not cut them loose like they did to Relic last year. Whatever this process entailed succeeded, and SEGA is both paying to keep the lights on and paying to fund new projects for now.

Whatever those new projects are, I guess we'll learn by the end of this year. There are at least two, and their production began mid-february at the earliest. It's safe to assume that whatever they're putting on the table now, they're staking the company's future on it.

>>2087105
>It's safe to assume that whatever they're putting on the table now, they're staking the company's future on it.
gee whiz
i sure do hope they try to make an actually good game this time

>>2067661
Very simple
>Attila
Still reeling off of Rome 2's controversy. No one cared about Late Antiquity at the time, which is why Attila is only a cult classic now. Not helping matters is that Attila is basically a remake of BI which was basically a Rome DLC.
>Thrones of Brittania
Poor man's Medieval. Barely finished. Medieval Anglo history isn't as interesting in a bubble honestly and very overrated.
>Troy
Historically inaccurate and semi-fantasy slop
>Pharaoh
Same as Troy, also shit faction roster, shit visuals and weird gameplay changes. Also the masses don't care about the Bronze Age, and even then it was absolute dogshit Bronze Age representation.

As for Three Kingdoms. That's a history/fantasy hybrid, but so was Troy and Pharaoh, both of which are failures. 3K still cut support because of that Chinese boycott after CA censored lewd mods made by Chinese players.
No shade on fantasyfags btw, I am not into tribalistic faggotry here and I play certain fantasy mods in both Rome 1 and Med 2. The only reason I don't play Warhammer is because I like the older Warhammer Fantasy strategy games more and I don't support CA's bullshit. Besides, CA will always bite the hand that feeds, your loyalty is foolish.

>>2068637
Explain why my favorite mod is Total War Hyrule then?

>>2085421
Modding scene is decent. In particular I recommend checking out "190 Expanded", which adds a ton of unique characters and expands the map to include Korea.

>>2067661
Maybe the issue isn't 'historical vs. fantasy', but that the games are shit and can't be saved by marketing to idiots like Warhammer can?

>>2070374
>Whether the money is coming from the west or from China is completely irrelevant
Not entirely, china is a more volatile and therefore risky market
I think if they had to choose between total warhammer and three kingdoms they would only do warhammer despite the slightly lower sales, but if warhammer wasn't in the equation they would absolutely throw the west away for china

>>2087419
China is an interesting market because they are like the biggest whales ever, but also if you do anything they don't like they will curse your family for 7 generations unlike the buckbroken westoids who will defend the company from any dissent just keep buying stuff because they can't stop themselves.

ITT: histcucks being defensive about not playing the games they demand to be made for them

>>2087084
3k obviously.

>>2087450
>not playing the games they demand to be made for them
Obviously we don't playing the games we demand to be made because they are not being made.
Where is Empire 2?
Medieval 3?
Pike and Musket?
Why are you so obsessed with this artificial divide? Most tw player play both fantasy and history. Only total midwits are stuck in one hole(their own ass)

>>2087450
No one asked for Troy and probably two people on the entire planet wanted Pharaoh

>>2087169
>. Medieval Anglo history isn't as interesting in a bubble honestly and very overrated.
wrong. the problem is that creative assembly cant make a good game to save their fucking life which is why viking invasion is superior in every way

>>2087450
The thing is historyfags don't actually exist, some may even call themselves "historical fans", but realistically they are either romaboos or crusade chuds and don't care about anything else. There's probably some who care about historical authenticity or show interest in more settings but I believe it's a minority. If a game came out where Richard burns away the mahometans with holy light of jesus christ (putting aside the likeliness of it being made in $current_year) all the histcucks would buy it.
Fags still malding about muh warspace were never customers, they will never be happy and are not worth courting.

>>2068111
>competitor arrives on the scene and makes games in those settings that are actually good.
>>2068267
Let's just use AI to code us up a competitor series to TW.

>>2087759
This. Chink play 3k and Cathay in Warhammer, medfags play med 2 and brettonia, people who want pikes and guns play empire, fots and empire or dwarfs in Warhammer, etc.

>>2087169
Attila was sunk by two prongs of fucking horrible marketing strategy

It came too soon on the heels of Rome 2. Ostensibly it was presented as the 'fix' of Rome 2, addressing a lot of the issues that R2 had on launch. But that was the problem: Rome 2 wasn't fixed yet. And for everyone still outraged by how fucked R2s release was, the idea of it getting abandoned and then being asked to pay full price for ANOTHER new game so soon after to pay for the fixes was galling. And Attila still had a tonne of its own problems on launch, because it was building on how completely broken R2 was. People literally just refused to pay full price for a R2 patch and the PR disaster is part of what prompted CA to kill Attila and force Sofia to spend the next like 4 years babying Rome 2 into a playable state. Attila was an attempt by CA to quietly abandon R2 when it seemed like it would be too expensive and time-consuming to un-fuck what their retarded production pipeline had fucked. People saw it for what it was, and the whole process was humiliating for them.

And second, Attila is Barbarian Invasion for full price. Everyone can see that Attila was Barbarian Invasion for full price. In scope, scale, ambition and concept it is literally Barbarian Invasion 2. Nobody is paying full price for an expansion, especially not when the base game was still virtually unplayable.

Attila ended up being a genuinely good game and I appreciate it, but CA's stupidity beggars belief here. They shat on a plate, spat on their customers for noticing the smell and then tried to sell them a plate with more shit on it.

>>2087759
I've played Medieval, Rome, Medieval 2, Empire, Napoleon, Shogun 2, Rome 2, Attila, ToB, Troy and Pharaoh.
I like history. When I sat down to play Rome for the first time I was a child, and I knew nothing about the titular city except togas and olive oil. The game pulled me into its world, presented a vision of its setting so unique and interesting that it continues to influence media depictions of Rome to this day, and taught me just enough surface-level history to contextualize what I was seeing. It inspired me to seek out real historical research and learn more about the period, because the vision and interpretation they presented was interesting.

There's a similar experience to be had in Medieval 2 (which is why so many people are fucking obsessed with it), in Empire, in Shogun 2 and especially in Attila. These games are fiction, and their depiction of "history" only loosely follows any real historical facts. The facts that are there only serve as a baseline for the artistic embellishment. Somebody at CA created the world that so many people found compelling in Rome, and Medieval 2. They didn't just find that world in a textbook, they made it.

This is what's been lacking in more recent titles. Everybody hates Troy not necessarily because it's a bad game (it is) but because its "DAT TROOF BEHIND DA MYFF" vision is so ass. It sucks all the magic out of a magical setting and replaces it with cosplayers. Shrinks larger than life characters, and reduces mythic kingdoms into mundane settlements.

Pharaoh just throws a barrage of nonsense names and places at you, with an inconsistent and incoherent aesthetic and no real clear vision for its setting--because it's like 4 miniature settings just kind of vaguely placed next to each other. There's a flash of old greatness in how they present and characterize the Paleset but they're an outlier in an overwhelmingly bland game bereft of vision and starved of context.

>>2087987
Did Attila cost the same as Rome 2 at launch before getting lowered due to low sales? I remember it being a $40 game and Rome 2 being a $60 game.

>>2088146
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was cheaper

So /vst/, how would (you) portray this bad boy here in a hypothetical M3TW?

>>2088171
I would make medieval 3 a ck and tw hybrid. Every single duchy will be its own faction.

>>2088171
Probably like the pharaoh from well... Pharaoh of all things. Empire has core territory and by controlling it and major seats of power, winning battles and generally being awesome you gain legitimacy to become next emperor, comes with some powers.
You can also draw on warhammer because that's literally hre in space or chinkdoms coalitions/alliences/empires

Desu, I find it immensely funny how the only few warhammer arguments I see in this thread are retarded strawmen, that always get btfo'd by many history enjoyers writing actual arguments about why they dislike newer games. Makes sense though, people who only like strategy games because they have colorful trolls, goblins and heckin explosions and nothing else aren't destined to be particularly bright. Plus normies were always a minority on /vst/.

>>2087759
>shogun 1/2 are secretly games about the roman empire or the crusades
waow, truly a powerful argument to BTFO the heckin HISTORYKEKS!

>>2088171
Empire whrf like. Aka emperor with elector cunts, priclings and free cities and stuff

>>2088335
Why are you like that? Can you stop being general disappointment at last for a moment?

>>2087987
Yeah spot-on. I pretty much oversimplified, but you got it pretty correct. It is a huge shame, but CA's leadership is short-sighted and stupid and I think that medium article from that ex-Rome 2 dev proves it.

>>2087987
It was and still is ugly and plagued by poor performance.

>>2087759
>realistically they are either romaboos or crusade chuds
I like to think of myself as both. Rome is the reason for the crusades after all.

>>2067661
I honestly wouldn't mind a star wars total war game so long as it's set during the civil war. Clone wars is so fucking lame now because of filonis bullshit

>>2092414
Imo they should follow the lead of those animations and oc it as much as possible
The original timeline is pretty much finished and the sequel period immediately after is tainted

Though I would like, if we have to go along original movies
>immediate post-imperial collapse
>mostly oc imperial remnants of various kinds vs each other vs big but disorganised internal issue'd republic vs itself and its vassals in oc civil wars if it tries to get its shit together
I think compared to empire vs rebels this would have more ease to have a good blend of rosters, campaigns, difficulties & start sizes

Warscape do be a shit engine tho tbqhwyf

>>2087450
No one wants Medieval 3 with Saladin on a flying carpet and the Pope casting holy miracles. No one disappointed in the direction TW went in cares about what the setting is: the issue is the dogshit game design that abandoned any semblance of simulation, even if CA still calls it that, in favour of tables of meaningless magic numbers with no relationship to the nouns they're labelled with.

>>2092938
>No one wants Medieval 3 with Saladin on a flying carpet and the Pope casting holy miracles
I would, if they were meme cheats like "furious the monkey boy"

>>2092938
>No one wants Medieval 3 with Saladin on a flying carpet and the Pope casting holy miracles
See, I think you are wrong. I think it would still sell

>>2087212
lol stay bitter faggot

i'll ask here, what's the recommended Thrones of Britannia overhaul?

>>2094301
medieval total war: viking invasion

>>2092938
If we go by current standarts Medieval 3 will only have two kind of agents: black warrior-qweens and Religion of Peace Imams.

>>2067661
>release Rome 2 reskin
>nobody buys it, financial failure
>release Rome 2 reskin
>nobody buys it, financial failure
>release Rome 2 reskin
>nobody buys it, financial failure
>release Rome 2 reskin
>nobody buys it, financial failure
vs.
>release Warhammer
>huge success with a fanbase known for buying 50c plastic figures for 50$
>release Three Chinkdoms
>huge success with chink market
It's almost like anyone with taste thinks Rome 2 has mechanical problems and that reskinning it does not make a better game.
Enjoy your diversity.

>>2094405
Troy and Pharaoh are actually Warhammer 1 reskins.

>>2094405
>huge success with a fanbase known for buying 50c plastic figures for 50$
Damn what a bunch of paypigs

>>2094618
The DLC aint even that great but MUH HQ UNITS PLAYABLE MAIN CHARACTERS FOR THE LARP really does sell well enough. Alternative starting location can be fixed with the randomizer mod since you really do not have enough turns to fight an army that is 2 empires away before it becomes borg with whoever wins that fight.

Biggest loss for warhammer was economics and population management is basically non existent especially since they nerf the shit out of you from having extra armies due to its player punishment system. It turns the entire game to whack a mole.

>>2094410
I find the campaigns are so weak in ALL recent total wars since shogun 2. (I skipped 3 chinks as I don't like chinks so that one could be good idk) I feel like the early game is the only part of the game that is any fun at all for all the newer games by turn 20 the game is already won.

>>2094405
it's almost like people want Medieval 3 and not another Rome or Warhammerslop

>>2097849
Chinkdoms campaign is good because it has actual diplomacy, spying and proper endgame scenario with the 3 kingdoms forming. Managing your court is also more of a thing than the vestigial features older games had. There's no agents and it's more character based. Some factions have a warhammer-like resource bar and special mechanics, so it's something to play with but I can also see why having such boardgamey mechanics might not be appealing if you want more simulationist game.
Shogun2 as much as I like the game barely has anything for campaign mechanics. Actually becoming shogun is irrelevant, realm divide effectively turns off diplo and by it's nature as a long as narrow mountainous island the map is pretty boring.

>>2092259
Byzantium is NOT a Roman country, you are a GREEK man in a dress!

>>2068594
TUPAC ALIVE IN SERBIA

>>2071950
Wasn't that the one with France being one province?

>>2098081
God I hated Empire's map.

>>2098075
>Byzantium is NOT a Roman country
You are correct. Byzantion was a backwater Greek City state. Byzantium is a term used today to refer to the Medieval Roman state that occupied the same region. However it was still a direct continuation of the Roman Empire. However, "Byzantine" doesn't start to see usage until the mid 1500s. Cool word though. If you need anything else clarified let me know.

Why are poles so obsessed with Med 2?

>>2098154
I didn't even say byzantion, I flat out said Byzantium, you fucked up

>>2098171
(((They))) were gifted their current country so they feel as if it was not earned. Besides any older game is swarmed by eastern euro's since their old pc's are like 2008 tech and up.

>>2098154
Romaboos really are the shittiest history fans on earth. Who gives a fuck which brown kingdom inherited the roman globohomo agenda?

>>2088171
Exactly how it was in m2tw. It was fairly centralized in the medieval period (as much as any other major kingdom was). It wasn't a decentralized federation until the early modern period. Dumbass Voltaire quoters dont understand that his quote is only relevant in the century he lived in

>>2088171
I'd add at least 50 more regions for starters.

>>2088171
I would make france one castle

>>2067595 (OP)
I want Total War 40K

>>2067595 (OP)
>25 years ago Total War was born
>10 years ago Total War died

>>2068594
IDK about all that I just buy the content I want to try out and then do so.

I'll let you enjoy your cutting edge tactical maneuvers like deciding to send your swordmen against spears, other swordmen or more expensive swordmen while I enjoy my fantasy slop alright?

>>2068620
>I am a Greek makedonian
That faggot is closer genetically to Ottomans and Byzantines than Greeks like Aristotle or Macedonians like Alexander kek
What a fucktard.