This is war! Sublime war! There can be no retreat!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlUU2U-Sn_g&ab_channel=Banzay27

>>2069258 (OP)
the third faction is imba and dabs on the other two
the kidjals are way too fiddly to use
the replicator things are ridiculously strong
but it's ok

>>2069515
what? you mean the harkonnens right
they're my favorite, but i never understood why they're better than the other two
I just personally like them more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPGav8_HQbA&ab_channel=DuneFedaykin

More like Emperor Battle for coom

Cutscene KINO from a better time

>>2069958
True that. Some of my favorite Westwood acting in there.

>>2069896
no the laser tank guys easily crush the other factions
>laser tanks are fast and do high damage
>outright cost less than the other factions' equivalents (mongoose and harkkonen have nothing because the assault tank is just a healthbar) and are much better raiders
>even have a shield and can fire while moving very well
>one of few early units able to effectively kill spice harversters
>massive map control
>weakness is at infantry but your chem infantry is great, infantry is slow, and atredies don't even have rocket infantry
if you lose early then the atreides beat you but you should be able to take out a few spice collectors and cause huge disruption allowing for you to make replicators and just overwhelm the enemy
most late game stuff simply doesn't matter
even minotaurus die pretty fast so replicated units are barely worse than normal ones and once you have a few rolling they pay for themselves obscenely fast

>>2070131
oh so the ordos guys

>>2070784
yeah
their music and voice lines slap too but all the audio is good

>>2069515
>the kidjals are way too fiddly to use
Skill issue. Play against hard computer opponent to see how bullshit House Atreides is. In any version, interestingly enough.
>the replicator things are ridiculously strong
The Ixian tanks? From what I remember they were so bad I stopped even trying with them. They had okay damage I think. I might have missed something so feel free to elaborate.

>>2069896
Harkonnen are firmly at the bottom of the power ranking. But their style can definitely be appealing if you have a soft spot for gritty industrial theme.

>>2070131
>laser tanks
Only good for rushes and only if you let Ordos snowball badly. Otherwise they're peashooters or harvester harassment at best. Properly supported robots are unstoppable.
But you are supposed to protect your harvesters in Emperor very well, indeed. This is no longer similar to the original or even the remake where they became much more vulnerable already. Although the latter is to be expected as it's just a reskin of "Red Alert" basically.
>>weakness is at infantry
Weakness is anything that can go through its shields quickly enough and send it into a downwards death spiral as its HPs go into yellow and especially red, as is the case with all wet paper-thin Ordos vehicles. So mass trikes, for example. Did you notice how ridiculously quick trikes are in the sand, especially when moving in a straight line? Now wait until you see one at second veterancy.
And once you're out of early harassment phase your blob of 20 hovertanks will pop like a bunch of soap bubbles to even basic Atreides infantry spam. Did you notice that their infantry can target air too?
>>but your chem infantry is great
Good, not great. It's what Harkonnen flamethrower infantry should have been. For "great" you're thinking of Fremen, at about 50/50 ratio.
>>infantry is slow
Not the Atreides basic one, LOL! They are 1.5 times quicker than almost every other one. That's scout speed, same as Ordos chem troopers. Except their range is better not to mention their veterancy bonuses are huge.
>>and atredies don't even have rocket infantry
They don't need to. They can just mass basic infantry especially since only Harkonnen platforms can be considered anti-personnel air units and everything else fires petards. Sorry, "rockets" or maybe "missiles".

>>2070131
Some more fun facts:
1. A laser tank has ROF of 40 that deals 400 damage but due to its warhead only 65% to targets with light armour, or 260 damage to those. It also has more severe penalties for just being hit than any Atreides vehicle, 75% versus 50% (or just 30% for mongoose).
2. A trike has ROF of 50, which is 25% worse, with 350 damage but targets with medium armour resist 50% of it so that only leaves 175.
3. A laser tank has 800 HPs but gets increasing penalties to ROF and speed as it goes into yellow and especially red, as well as 300 shields on top which protect it a little before that starts to happen. It has 12 speed and costs 700 credits to make, and it takes 432 ticks to produce the thing with one factory.
4. A trike has "merely" 1200 HPs, also 12 speed (until it gets enough XPs and it turns to 20, without accounting for sand), costs 300, and is built in 150 ticks.

>>2069258 (OP)
I hate how the only way to play this is to pirate it

>>2074283
And that's a bad thing why? It's an old game for which the developer hasn't existed for more than 20 years. Or is corporate approval that important to you? I guess you'd be a natural choice for Ordos in that setting.

>>2074288
Ah jeez don't take it like that, I just wish it had actual support. Same thing with Universe at War, I had to get a cracked fucking disc for that too.

>>2074296
That's what autismos who mod games are for. The key is not letting them push their own preferences on everyone else but as long as mods remain open source that's not a problem.

>>2074296
Oh, and as for discs you're better off mounting 4 images at the same time instead of making a big installation. There are free optical drive emulators that allow this.

>>2074288
nayrt but it'd be nice to have the convenience of being able to download and play it on modern systems without jumping through a million hoops. I have a legal copy but getting it to work on a modern system is a hassle.
>Blah blah blah you can do it if blah blah
I know, that's not the point. I wish I could just play it as easily as my other childhood favorites. Not just for my sake, but the fact that there are significant barriers of entry for your average person means that it'll never get the modding potential it'd get if it was more accessible either. It sucks that the game is stuck in copyright hell and will never ever get the love it deserves.

Most underrated RTS soundtrack ever.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=HJgdp4uhSbs

>>2074697
Its crazy that people want to go for such lengths to suck some corporate schlong

>>2074271
>Skill issue
lmao the control scheme is ass
have fun trying to fiddle with your stupid mortars while trying to split and not get crushed and retreating wounded vehicles as the pathfinding fights you every second
they just aren't worth it either - battles are too fast and they are too expensive you are better off with more mongooses
>elaborate
they can literally sit in your base and spawn free 1hp but full damage units endlessly
even if the opponent sees that they are fake units they still have to kill them because they do full damage and you can clone anything
make one minotaurus and spam endless free ones which only have to fire once to get insane value
>>2074275
>Only good for rushes
yeah they are the only faction which can effectively rush
you can kill harvesters with 2-3 laser tanks unless the enemy micros their carryall and even then you are causing huge disruption
none of the factions have any answer to this harrassment because laser tanks are so fast and btfo light vehicles
>LOL
er than a laser tank by far and they only have a machine gun
>chem
infantry btfos atreides infantry and is very cheap whereas fremen are expensive
>trikes
i never faced mass trike i think you would have issues with frontage and range
laser tanks can kite better than anything else in the game so it would boil down to micro
the production speed of laser tanks is their drawback but if they are making trikes then they aren't making mongoose and no mongoose mass means no practical raiding
you just have to dance around the laser tanks and trikes trying to bait the enemy into your infantry blob
>robots
?
atreides win in the late game: the match is decided by ordos killing harvesters early or failing to do that
>>2074288
piracy is scary - i don't trust ivan and it's not 2003 anymore the internet is much more scary
>>2074697
i would love a remaster with a modern control scheme
imo the graphics are fine and the music is great but the controls and ui are lacking

>>2074271
oh so Harkonnen are the worst faction gameplay-wise?

>>2074697
>it'd be nice to have the convenience
If you give it some amount of real thought you might eventually come to the conclusion that the miserable state of the Internet and modern software is precisely due to the average user sacrificing anything and anyone on the altar of convenience.

>>2075044
>have fun trying to fiddle with your stupid mortars while trying to split and not get crushed and retreating wounded vehicles as the pathfinding fights you every second
You pre-setup them on infantry rocks and only move them if there is a threat or if you are trying to advance.
>free 1hp but full damage units endlessly
I guess that might be useful. I need to test it again because I remember the holograms being near-useless in practice. Maybe I was wrong.
>yeah they are the only faction which can effectively rush
Everyone can rush.
>they only have a machine gun
I gave you the numbers. Trikes are flat out better unless you want to kite them over rocks because hover units have no terrain penalties (or bonuses).
>infantry btfos atreides infantry and is very cheap whereas fremen are expensive
It doesn't. Do I need to post their numbers too?
Fremen are worth it.
>i never faced mass trike i think you would have issues with frontage and range
You never played against half-decent humans then. Mass trike is a Dune 2 strategy that survives perfectly fine into the gay remake and even Emperor.
Concaves form on their own and there is only 3 range difference. You can always move some of the trikes closer or wait until the ones in the front die. With nearly 2.5 ratio you can easily afford inefficiency.
>laser tanks can kite
Enjoy your kiting while I kill your harvesters and then the base. If you can't win a straight up fight your kiting is a death spiral. And Ordos can't against Atreides. The game is pretty poorly balanced.
Also, as mentioned, good luck kiting on sand. Guess where the harvesters are?
>no mongoose mass means no practical raiding
The fuck? Mongoose are MBTs of the House. They are the backbone of their mech assaults.

>>2075044
>you just have to dance around the laser tanks and trikes trying to bait the enemy into your infantry blob
Who has to dance around what? You can win with just mass trikes unless fighting mass Harkonnen tanks. Which generally suck but not against light vehicles.

>>2075088
They are the most difficult to play as. Kind of an extra difficulty level. Ordos lack a few tools to make them truly good but Harkonnen are just mediocre with some bad sprinkled in in a game where mediocrity means death.
For example, their Inkvine catapults are trash until you learn some very specific uses for them. Devastators are basically mobile turrets until you learn how to use them well too. Buzzsaws are fucking terrible but then you discover that you can destroy spice with them. It adds up.