Paradox wants your thoughts on the future of CK3 after China.
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1158310/view/509583751892697137

>>2070588 (OP)
Fill it out. Stop the shitters ruining ck3

>whole survey is just them going "yeah we knew everybody wanted feudal/republic/christian mechanics the entire time"

>>2070651
My thoughts exactly, it makes me wonder why they were not working on these expansions sooner instead of expanding the map into Asia (something which I feel way less people actually wanted) if they knew there was and still is demand for it.

I'm still expecting them to release some expansion focusing on sub-saharan Africa, it inevitably bombs and they have an internal meltdown over it.

I honestly feel so bad bros... i feel like i will never play this game again after China comes out, they just had to ruin it didn't they

>>2070684
If they do sub-sahara that would honestly be the last straw for me regarding the entire studio not just this game, since China already was one in here

>>2070688
>>2070685
Fuck you
ck3 should expand to africa, australia, america, and everywhere in the world.
I want to play as the mayans.

i would not complain about a sub-saharan africa expansion so long as it comes after the feudal rework, christianity rework, india rework, and trade republics

What do eels have to do with China?

>>2070718
There's a total conversion for that.

>>2070751
are you talking about the OP image? Those are snakes (probably adders) and it's unrelated to China, it's for the survey.

>>2070651
>>2070684
>>2070688
They had to do China before doing the trade/silk road expansion, otherwise the entire thing would have been completely broken when they added China.

My feudalism wish list
>New Papal mechanics, reintroduce elections and Cardinals like in ck2
>Different kinds of feudalism or Western European governments like something new for Ireland to reflect the High King or the more centralised feudalism of earlier Germany and later France
>Portraying Carolingian collapse in game through the end of these 'centralised' feudalism governments
>Being able to create smaller Crusader states like with Edessa or Antioch and more dynamic Crusade events
>Rulers in the right places and circumstances can call 'crusades' or lobby for their own like the Reconquista in Spain and also interacting with other DLC's like the Iberian struggle and the Baltic Crusades

I hope they add more content from Australia to the mix, so I can conquer China using my army of Abbo dreamwalkers, didgeridoo players and dropbears.

I just played new DLC for the first time, starting in the 800s. By 1000, every nomad horde has like 20k troops. This seems wrong.

>>2070977
>interacting with other DLC's like the Iberian struggle
devs have pretty much confirmed that the spain dlc and anything with struggles is orphaned at this point

>>2071011
They aren't doing "struggles" anymore, but the Chinese dynastic cycle they're adding in AUH is literally a revolving struggle without any finite end

Fucking retards, just play ck2

So their new ideas
>Western Europe focus on Feudalism
>Christianity
>New Empire mechanics and laws
>Republics
Hope they do the Western Euro and Christianity ones first. I think it'd make sense considering like 50% of games are played there

>play as nomad in the steppe
>endless pain because everyone's poor, raiding does nothing, and there's 30k+ stronf confederations every side of me
>migrate outside of the steppe
>become a powerbroker that many people want to ally, can make tributaries who won't leave me every 2 minutes because of a relocating herder, actually have some funds/herd to spend
It's comfy giving all of my tributes the "i will defend you" contract, it's like how feudalism is supposed to be

>>2070588 (OP)
If they add all that shit the game might finally become playable in 3 years time.

>>2071029
>t. Almos Arpad in 867 AD

>>2071080
the event troops definitely made things ez, but Almos and his son were murdered by angry bulgarians, so i had two rough kuraltai successions and had to build my way back up
it's mostly just been fun spending my time contributing to my tributes' defenses than being bored and forced to blob

>start playing ck3 to see whats all the fuss about
>yeah ok its not that bad
>wanna continue playing but I keep crashing
>lower the graphics, run in administrator, nothing works
>paradox forums are so shit they literally won't let me confirm accounts
Does anyone know how to read error reports? Cuz I don't. Also, I pirated the game so I can't verify the game files fuuuuuuck

What is China? I don't know what that is. Is it like Akavir or something? Anyway, rate my Falmer resurrection map. Blobmaxxed Highrock is ruled by Redguard Namira cultist vampires and Anvil is ruled by Bosmer under that Camoran dynasty. Also massive Redoran

>>2071139
What map mod?

>>2071139
I've been meaning to get back into EK2, though it irked me how limited culture diversion/blending was for anyone not a Mer/Man culture, especially when you wanna do something really fucky like Solstheim Lilmothiits or Bretonian Goblins/Rieklings with plate armour.

>>2071367
Isn't EK2 a dead mod?

>>2071477
EK3 I meant, I'm rarted

>>2070794
CK map went to shit when they added India. Anything east of Persia is irrelevant.

>>2071024
No

>>2071023
struggles and situations are different under the hood, they basically don't plan to touch struggles ever again if they can get away with it instead of updating old struggles to use the situation engine

FUCK YOU
I WAS SO CLOSE

>>2071023
>>2071741
I haven't played CK3 in a while
What are situations exactly?
Are they basically struggles but better?

>>2071864
idk what he's talking about, struggles are situations. Situation is just the new generalized term for it.
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/dev-diary-174-the-mechanics-of-china.1772951/
> To do this, we created a new Situation (a type of persistent geographically bounded system) called The Dynastic Cycle, which can be in one of several possible Eras (Situation Phases), that can represent both the cyclical nature, and different types of China that existed.
>Similar to Struggles from our other DLCs, the Dynastic Cycle uses Catalysts - triggered events with specific point values - to push Eras from one to another.

kek

Any way to invite every ally at once? Doing it manually for every single alliance gets tiring.

>>2072193
I don't think there it, but I never have so many alliances where inviting them all manually is a genuine pain

>>2070794
>you HAVE to accurately model the entire solar system if you want to add gravity to your action adventure rpg
Fuck off retard

>>2070588 (OP)
When i heard about china honestly i lost faith in this game, not only they will create even more empty souless space with nothing else to do with a shallow government mechanics that will need to be fleshed out in the future once again, but now the whole game will eat instead of 20gb of ram, 32 of ram.
How about for once this retards maybe invest some time in, let's say the name of the game? IN ACTUAL CRUSADES? holy fucking shit man, warfare is trash, no economy, no trading, no pops, no events during sieges, no events during battles. This game is brainded simple and boring after 20-40h of gameplay if not less for some.

China is probably just a strategy from paracuck investors/managment to attract gooks to play their game, "Chineses many if we attract only a tiny ammount of them we get so much moneyz guys let's make chyna dlc guys"
>>2070977
In ck2 one of my favorite things to play as is tribal and it's such a shame tribalism is very shallow in ck3 too.

I wish diplomacy would be much better and more in depth, hate just getting invaded by some le conqueror, crush him and he just plain pays me with prestige and gold, what if i want to retaliate and take the advantage that i destroyed his troops to seize his lands? Well i wouldn't be able to even after winning because of retarded peace treaty.
I also don't understand why they allow raiding only for tribal, so stupid fuck your balance, if it were made well you wouldn't need to create retarded scenarios for balance.
>>2071114
Have you tried playing other government type or installing the game from another installer/repacker? Never had this issue and looking at those errors it looks like some integrity issues with game files.

>>2070684
>it makes me wonder why they were not working on these
Republics = white = problematic
Asia, Madagascar and Australia = brown = wholesome

>>2071871
they are distinct from struggles in both mechanics and code, they don’t use the same system as the old struggles. when asked, devs said they had no plans to update the old struggles to the new situation system. it’s as shrimple as that.

>>2071076
In 3 years it's time for Ck4. Might even have passed the time for Ck4.

I think Paradox should just focus on DLC that focuses on updating and adding interesting mechanics and leave map expansions to the modders. Why are we getting all of China before we get stuff like ship combat, trade mechanics, societies and orders and any actual political and governmental flavor?

add trade from victoria 3
make silk road meaningful, make venice a trade hub, make baltic trade war fun.
add trade guild like hansec league as a house function.
add interest so money saved gets reinvested into trade fleets passively.
use the estate function for commerce guild.
add gacha gamble where u can send voyages in hopes of huge profit and relics.
add more antipope gambits for power
expand your retinue men at arms so u can interact with the royal guard, leveling them up, add more characters to martial roles.
more indepth crusader mechanics.
have minor crusader against more than just jerusalem.
make the ai more aggressive with jihads

>>2072267
Really good list. I would add to that
>half all opinion gains
It's too easy to get everyone in your realm to 100

>>2072222
>IN ACTUAL CRUSADES? holy fucking shit man, warfare is trash, no economy, no trading, no pops, no events during sieges, no events during battles.
>I wish diplomacy would be much better and more in depth
Very sorry to hear that, anon, would more fart events suffice?

can't wait to fart and lose the mandate of heaven

CK2 question. Playing as the Byzantine Empire in the 867 start, should I conquer to the east or to the west?

Aside from crusades, what's the purpose of converting from insular to catholic as ireland?

>>2072523
cbs are easier to acquire in the east, but conquering to the west lets you get early work on acquiring land to reform the roman empire if you care about that
granted, you'll need to go east for that eventually too, but you'll usually always have holy war cbs for the east. if you can get early claims in the west, it might be wise to act on them before the west starts to catch up with you technologically

>>2070588 (OP)
democracy is why there are fart events and meme references all over the game

>>2072222
>Have you tried playing other government type
Nope, this was on my first dynasty. Which is weird because I put like ten hours into this playthrough already
>or installing the game from another installer/repacker?
I might give this a go, I'll copy my save files somewhere safe until then

>>2072628
not having to follow a stupid ahistorical religion that shouldn't be represented in the game as a distinct sect

>>2072628
Piety=gold with Catholicism, you can easily get enough gold to construct a building or make some men in arms regimented with the gold you get by requesting the pope funding

>>2070651
that's probably them trying to appeal to the core strategy playerbase now that the normie sims players don't care about crusader kings anymore

>>2071477
yeah the mod team ruined all the hype for it by going full troonmode. also one of the lead devs has a discord bio that's like a dozen names all with their own pronouns cause xe has that one mental illness that gives you multiple personalities

>>2071741
>updating old struggles to use the situation engine
I wouldn't mind that. All in all I wish they had a set of base mechanics they used to actually simulate this stuff instead of creating new bespoke solutions for every one.
Like why isn't the house blocks system just the new way all families interact instead of a jap exclusive mechanic?
This paradoxism of creating separate mechanics for every damn DLC is immensely frustrating.

>>2073427
insular celts had their own religious practices while still respecting the primacy of the pope
get over it, sassenach

Why
the fuck
does this game give you adventurer CBs that let you conquer kingdoms and duchies, and even empires if you have the decisions unlocked. But you're absolutely shoehorned into having shitty vassals with -100 opinion of you no matter what, and you can't get rid of them without tyranny stacking? So pretty much even if you win, you're guaranteed zero legitimacy, and you cannot put a new administration in without a general purge that gets you tyranny maxed. Like, what conqueror in history was like "Yeah dude I just beat you in a war, you can keep your job, it would be mean to fire you :^) " ?

I should be able to purge all non-believers and all foreigners from all positions without penalty.

>>2073921
>"Yeah dude I just beat you in a war, you can keep your job, it would be mean to fire you :^) "
they looked at the tyranny malus, went "lol" and did it anyway, pussy

>>2073933
That's exactly what I'm going to do, it's just retarded as a mechanic. Especially when you replace them with your own people and THEY ALSO recognize the tyranny stat. So you're replacing a -100 with a +100 that becomes -100 the second you give them land, which is gay.

>>2073933
I should also mention this wasn't a problem in CK2. You could wipe out a former administration and replace them with your own people and your own people would have positive relations pretty much no matter what. So the Ck3 model has the NPCs generals in your court going "Wow, you're making a me a noble? THANK YOU! I fucking hate you!"

>>2073921
this shit drives me fucking insane when playing as a nomad. It's completely retarded that your nomadic vassals would take a tyranny penalty for you revoking titles from settled vassals you just conquered

The omission of the invasion CB is somewhat glaring, I agree.

>>2072222
They had fucking Tibet, might as well add China.

Tibet had so many fucking provinces it was richer than Egypt, and i doubt they bothered to change that.

>>2073957
I'm contemplating trying to make a mod to get rid of it. If someone is a different religion from you or a different form of government, or hell, even a different culture, there shouldn't be a penalty, or a VERY SMALL penalty, for removing them unilaterally from office. The idea that you just have to tolerate hostile foreign rulers inside your newly established realm might make for janky gameplay mechanics, but it isn't historical.

>be Norse Adventurer
>ask high king of Scandinavia to sponsor invasion of England
>he says okay
>nothing happens, no special event troops, no gold, no nothing
>"Can't ask for this again for five years :^) "

Great mechanics, Paradox.

>>2074213
>playing nomad
>invite wealthy foreigners
>unlanded character starts walking towards you
>no caravan master or travel hires because it's an auto-generated NPC
>instantly dies to a random event
>cooldown stolen

>>2074215
>same adventurer
>Lotharingia owns land in Denmark for some fucking reason
>decide to save myself the aggravation with England and do a Duchy claim CB against Lotharingia
>1000 Prestige + tip
>win, but only get one county, no duchy title

>>2074232
>filename
please use the appropriate term french citizen instead of frenchman when referring to these creatures

>>2074539
if he pays taxes in france he's a frenchman, simple as

>>2074724
>the poles went extinct every time it got partitioned
>every 100 years or so a bunch of germans and russians got it in their heads to larp as poles
honestly the citizenship=nationality world would be pretty funny to live in
all you would need to destroy the jews is to stop recognizing israel

>locked in to reform Asatru
>except I need to wait to conquer one duchy with a temple
>can't conquer it because the fucker has 28,000 troops somehow
>also can't murder him because murder attempts are on a 5 year cooldown
>have to play in the sandbox south of Denmark with Germany for the next 2-3 IRL hours before I get back to the main event
This game feels like a job sometimes.

When is Coronations coming out?

>>2074917
right after you do

>>2074917
Dev Diaries in August, so probably September so they can work on AuH by Christmas

Honestly, I’ve never understood why Crusader Kings is the only major Paradox series that completely ignores naval systems and naval battles. All the other games have them in some form, Europa Universalis, Hearts of Iron, Imperator: Rome, even Victoria. But in CK, the sea is just, a road. A liquid teleporter.
No fleets, no naval blockades, no epic sea battles between island kingdoms or Viking raiders clashing with enemy navies. You just pay a fee and boom, your army crosses the sea like it’s catching a bus.
With such a strong focus on characters, diplomacy, and warfare, it feels like a huge missed opportunity not to include a naval layer in the game, especially for campaigns involving islands, strategic ports, or coastal powers like Venice, Byzantium, or the Vikings.
I get that CK3 has a different design focus from other Paradox titles, and maybe they want to keep logistics simple. But still, it would be great to see at least a basic naval system: actual fleets, simple sea combat, port blockades, naval dominance mechanics.
I really hope that at some point, maybe in a future DLC or even a sequel, Paradox considers adding this. Because the lack of navies in Crusader Kings is becoming more and more noticeable in a game that prides itself on depth and detail.

>>2075415
no video game has ever been able to satisfactorily simulate post-Roman, pre-cannon naval warfare. CK's solution was to not even try

>>2075415
CK2 had navies, just not naval battles. To say the series completely ignores naval systems is completely wrong, it's specifically a CK3 problem.

>>2075621
I remember making the mistake of allying Poland as Scotland once, and then I was shocked when I realized they couldn’t do shit to stop England from invading me.

>>2075415
I've been wanting naval warfare since discovering the series. It's such a huge oversight that I don't know how people aren't more mad about it. Is the argument there just wasn't naval battles back in medieval times, or what? Because there were.

Quick question, but does anyone ever just straight up play like the king of France or the king of England? I just wonder what the thinking is there, having super-stable realms the entire playthrough and throwing feasts the whole time. I feel like if you're not starting out as a count or a landless adventurer, you're playing this game wrong.

>>2075712
It's easy to forget since the game does such a poor job at representing it but this is still a game about history. There is a good chance that whoever happens to be the King of England when you start the game is going to be one of the most interesting historical figures alive at the time, same for his heirs/dynasty.

>>2075712
Never. The game is too easy to play as a king

CK3 is different than CK2 in that even when you reform your faith you don't get any automatic county conversions to help you along. You have to flip each province 10 years at a time, with one fucking priest.

>>2075832
you could order your vassals to convert the land and maybe they will do it

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/dev-diary-176-southeast-asia.1802991/
Southeast Asia
Previous Dev Diary: >>2069362 (Japan and Korea)

Two main governments, Mandala and Wanua
Mandala Government
>has 3 extra levels of Devotion, going up to Godlike
>requires your predecessor to reach the prior level, unlocking your next tier
>Temple Citadel holding - main for Mandala, but can be held by most others in conquest
>Four Mandala Aspects, affecting levels of Devotion
>Mandala Radiance, after first tier Temple Complex, shows how far you can obtain tributes
>Three Decree Laws: Prosperity, Expansion, or Reverence
>less demesne/vassal limit, but many tributes
>can coerce tributary scheme, even stealing them away from other Mandala

Wanua
>tribal type; must reform religion/change government to advance innovations/development
>can traverse the sea and raid
>still trying to make unique

Great Projects
>required and optional contributions
>can request contributions via hooks, bribes, or piety
>China has a lot, such as the Great Wall or Grand Canals
>can spawn in response to Natural Disasters, prompting action from above and below

Tribute Missions
>for both Mandala and Hegemonic tributaries
>it's just like vassal "Pay Tribute" from Royal Court, but you can offer eunuchs, concubines, and herd, if nomadic

Celestial Tributes
>China's unique tributes, who reward the Emperor directly, more than his Treasury
>minimum expectations scale upon Imperial Grace, such as how often to pay tribute and how much
>Grace decay affected by Imperial Cycle, and can be spent to adjust contract obligations, or receive a Seal of Investiture from the Emperor (a regalia type artifact) - Trade Access (money and development), Family Access (can marry into), or Palace Access (become active in the Dynastic Cycle)
>benefits lost if the Hegemony is dissolved

Map Reviews -- the last Dev Diary before Summer Break; will return in August [for the Coronations DLC]

>>2076059
>still trying to make wanua unique
>look up wanua, no relevant results found

Fake flavor, just call it tribal.

>>2076070
i was really considering just putting
"Wanua
>it exists"
because there's no details about it

>>2076070
>>2076074
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanua

>>2076082
It's confirmed to be a word
But that doesn't mean there's any mechanics seperating it from being a viking

>>2076059
i dont know about the rest but in the classical Christianity sort of speak this is not a positive progression

>>2076179
forgor pic

>>2076059
>Grand Canals
i hope they at least will be affected by flooding, right?

Will the China DLC include some new Asian inspired brap events?

>>2076179
>>2076182
>Jesus appearing and then slowly disappearing before the cross becomes diamonds
Considering the last rank is "Godlike", I'm imagining this is the character who reached that rank going "I AM THE NEW CHRIST NOW, I AM YOUR GOD"
Sounds like a fun way to make a cursed church.
Man I wish that holy sites can be moved around.

>>2076059
I literally don't give a shit about any of that. The very first thing I'll do with this DLC is start a civil war in China as a rogue general and fuck everything up, as is Chinese tradition.

>>2070684
China is such a huge market that you are leaving money on the table if you aren't giving them a china dlc. Half you mods for EU4 are in chinese text so I know they love playing paradox games.

>>2070588 (OP)
All I want are flavour packs like Northern Lords but for the rest of the map and no more Iberian struggles.

>>2076432
Honestly they should make an actual Chinese focused game. Three Kingdom is the easy choice but it would be cool if they made an entire game that last from Warring States until Qing. It most likely won't sell well in the West or even anywhere not East Asia though.

>>2076313
godlike only happens through the mandala government, which involves presenting yourself as a living god
so yes, the advanced christian piety icons pretty much exist for the sake of taiping larp

I think my problem with this game is that once I become the big high king, I kind of lose interest. There's nothing else to do really but steamroll the map.

I think my next playthrough is going to be a Norse adventurer who makes a ton of money doing criminal contracts, then buys/conquers a piece of land and joins the Byzantine Empire for retirement. There's just not much fun in it for me if I grow beyond being a duke.

>turn game on
>load AGOT mod
>press play
>go and make tea
>come back
>game still fucking loading 15 minutes later

>Think I'll have a good fap getting sex slavery mods for CK3
>Spend half my time just managing my many slaves and switching their jobs
At least I managed to castrate every male Abbasid

I really like adventurer mode, but I don't see any point in going back to feudal mode. Like, what do you get for becoming a lord, other than a piece of clay and zero income?

Would I still have an economy if I jointed the Byzantines and bought a piece of land?

Wtf is the Blood legacy supposed to be abstracted from? Are Paradox implying they had access to CRISPR in the 9th century? The bonuses are pure fucking magic.

>>2070651
I've loaded this game up twice today and just quit out instantly because they said this stuffs coming and after the long ass loading screen I come to my senses and realise the game is too fucking barebones. Every game I have the urge to play right now is either a buggy mess, or I'm waiting for dlc to come out.

>>2075712
I enjoy playing as the Capets and creating cadet dynasties. Eventually usurping the main line through a sub-branch. The Anjous are also fun, going through the Plantagenet, Lancaster, York, Tudor cycle centuries ahead of schedule can also be nice. I usually play with cheats to make the various cadets and family rivalries more intense.

Racist nazi eugenics simulator

>>2079489
Let's not oversell it

Someone explain to me why I am PERMANENTLY -100 with all fucking vassals, always, forever? It doesn't matter who rules or how kind I am, any time any of my line takes over, it's an instant -100 with all mayors and counts (I'm playing a duke). There's also no way to dig out of it. They don't like me, so I get a steep legitimacy penalty, which then they hate me because of my low legitimacy. It's a vicious cycle.

The only "cure" I can think of is to go full tyrant, arrest every single vassal, take every title away, and then grant them to nobody until after my current character dies.

>>2079489
>both parents have genius and hale
>heir born a dwarf

>>2079910
What do the opinion modifiers say?

>>2079919
Alright, I'll just read a few. And keep in mind, this guy, my new duke, JUST took over:

Count Fuckface:
Impatient -5, Limited Crown Authority -5, Confederate Partition -10, Powerful Vassal -20, Short Reign -16, Below Legitimacy -20, Personal diplomacy -7, Vengeful -10
^ My highest rated dude.

Next comes Mayor Cunt:
-10 Strained Vassals Relations, -10 Limited Crown, -20 Powerful Vassal, -16 Short Reign, -20 Legitimacy, -7 Cultural Acceptance (WE ARE ALL FUCKING NORMAN, WHAT?), -7 Diplomacy, -10 Vengeful, -7 Internal Turmoil, -10 "Worried", -5 Arrogant

The rest gets even more retarded. -40 for wanting a council seat, etc etc.

I legitimately think the only way to fix this is just to remove titles from everyone, all mayors included, and just do nothing. It'll be a hit to eco, but fuck em

>>2080084
Hold a funeral to mourn the previous Duke then throw a feast you greedy jew.

>>2080246
I didn't have the money to. Luckily my character died and I got a new one with gregarious and good stewardship, so I rushed administrator and killed any mayor that was antagonistic towards me until I had a majority that were above 0 and started gaining legitimacy again.

This game's death spiral is so much more retarded than CK2's. At least in CK2 you can just take everyone's titles in a war and give them to new nobles who will then love you.

>>2079913
go to bed Tywin

>>2080312
>This game's death spiral is so much more retarded than CK2's. At least in CK2 you can just take everyone's titles in a war and give them to new nobles who will then love you.
It's the same in CK3. All rebelling lords are imprisoned when you win a rebellion and you get a free title revoke reason on each of them.

>>2080312
Title revocation in Ck2 was a law you needed to pass on top of having low crown authority, you also had to have the approval of your councillors. Revoking and granting to ally-less lowborns in CK3 actually angers some kinds of vassals.

Why is virginity of females completely irrelevant in this game while it was very important in the time period? It isn't even represented in the game. Whats even more surprising is that there aren't even mods for it.

>>2080502
And all they had to do was a hidden tag on the female.

I'm getting bored of CK3 way more easily than CK2 and I often quit a session of CK3 feeling like it was a waste of time and that I was just repeating myself. I think it's due to how the events are structured, as these big screen dominating things as opposed to the small messages in CK2 that let your imagination do a bit more of the heavy lifting. Also, the tone and the modifiers are too silly, it was better in CK2 when the tone was more obviously through the lens of a character in a medieval world, there was a bit more mystery to it. I also really think the abstraction of wealth is shit in CK3.

I've predominantly been playing total conversions like princes of darkness lately to try and keep the game fresh but keep running into issues like royal court grandeur court amenities being ludicrously expensive (my entire budget barely keeps that afloat as a huge empire, really?). The roleplaying in the game feels incredibly flat compared to CK2, again I think because they're trying to show way too much and it all becomes way more repetitive and shows how bare it all is at the core. Also, at this point, I think the building system is a massive downgrade. I much preferred having a bunch of interesting stuff to build compared to 4-5 stat buildings. I guess the perk trees are alright, though they are way better realised in the total conversion mods. Now they're going to absolutely sodomise the performance for China, meh.

I guess I shouldn't be that bothered about a game I've played for hundreds of hours, I just wish it was better.

>>2080502
your wife will cheat on you and you will like it.

>>2080753
>I also really think the abstraction of wealth is shit in CK3.
You mean the three different currencies for social capital and the four different currencies for monetary wealth? Say it ain't so.

>>2080084
You can revoke baronies even without a reason or crown authority. Just replace him with a yes man. Get your seneshal boosting your legitimacy and go fight a few battles. Get an ally while the short reign cooks off to discourage factions.

>>2076313
Finally I can play as Hong Xiuquan and conquer the whole of China has a Messalian Mandala

>>2080753
Simply pay less for those, you can split the difference taking the grandeur event bonuses, staffing your court positions, and getting good artifacts. You pretty much never have to run the higher level amenities.

>>2080947
PoD in particular is artifact heavy too so you're doubly doing it wrong.

>>2080947
I was definitely sleeping on court positions, the rework made them pretty useful so that's something I should probably rely on more, as well as actually holding court because I never do that due to how boring it is. I had my grandeur hovering around 7 and with a great holy war my expectation went up to 10, so I bumped everything up about two pips to max and the costs went from a very doable 33 gold per month to 90 gold per month. As for artifacts, the most reliable way seems to be to commission them and hope the RNG gods give you grandeur/vassal limit bonuses, right? I recently had a game where I was playing a mummy in PoD and most of the bespoke PoD artifacts weren't available due to the splat differences. Either way, I'm assuming I can probably remain at grandeur 10 utilising the things you mentioned, especially events.

>>2080961
Depends on your character but I usually just steal them. There's a lot of interactions like artifact claims and others that are way more useful than in the base game where its like 99% pelt artifacts.

I think the problem I have with this game now is that adventurer is way more fun than being a landed lord. You can also build tremendous wealth and a gigafuckhuge army as an adventurer. As long as you grind Gallowsbait as fast as possible at the beginning, levy the outcasts, then grind any prestige mission you can find, you can easily end up with 20-30,000 dudes and roll Byzantium before even hiring mercenaries to join you.

Now compare that to some pleb count grinding 1.3 gold a month, with random shitter events designed to take it away from you.

>>2080961
I think it's either psi or sorcery has a perk that lets you use other splats items. I love playing mummy with the custom rules that lets you get a ton of lifestyles

Any of the DLC "essential"?

>>2081337
arctic attire. trust.

>>2081345
I had to look it up.
They sell DLC outfits? What's the fucking point when some mod is going to do that better for free?

>>2081347
>What's the fucking point when some mod is going to do that better for free?
there are paypiggies that will pay for it. there's also like 100 people that play this game on console and they'll pay for it too

>>2081387
Wait this game is on consoles??
>look it up
>it's true
Wow that must suck. Honestly I'm looking at it for the mods. Warcraft, Elder Scrolls, LOTR, and to much lesser extent, ASOIAF.
Medival 2 and Warband can only tide me over for so long.

>>2081390
the LOTR mod is downright incredible with how accurately they recreated middle earth but I haven't played it in a while and don't think they've added the one ring or war of the ring yet, but the actual canonical middle earth part of the map is finished

>>2076450
A chinese focused game needs complex harem mechanics. Not politically correct to focus on those.

>>2081347
>What's the fucking point when some mod is going to do that better for free?
They hired the modders to make those so that nobody would make mods for those regions.

>>2081394
Anyone who says this is an idiot and can be ignored. LoTR is not a good setting for dynastic video games.

What are the mods that push the envelope with mechanics? Princes of Darkness is adding controllable districts within a city, along with already having thieving and the whole spirit world exploration

>>2082302
How is a character focused RPG a bad setting for LOTR?

>>2082368
>elrond mocks your tiny penis
>arwen and legolas are having an affair
>you fart in front of the whole court
>random orc kills your dog
yep. just another great day for the king of arnor and gondor and the dunedain

>Be made Genghis Khan’s bitch
>He dies shortly after
>His empire split into Mongolia, Golden Horde, White Horse etc
>The territory I have near the HRE is now considered part of Mongolia
>A few other small vassals near me but that’s it
>An absolute fucking ocean of Golden Horde territory between me and the Mongolian capital
>3 years to walk an army over there

Is there a way to convince a liege to just accept a Liberty Faction’s demands rather than fight a war over it? I can’t spend 3 years just walking an army over there

>>2082423
You should have ticking warscore as an independence revolt, you don't have to go anywhere.

>>2082453
Well that’s a bonus. How long does it take to tick to 100?

>>2082463
A while. With any luck, he'll march halfway across the world to fight you, lose a bunch of dudes to attrition, and be easy pickings.

>>2080502
The only thing that could be done with it is a minor opinion buff like +10 opinion for people of the same faith if a woman is a virgin under 30 and -10 opinion if their a virgin over 30

>>2075707
Yes, that is actually the argument that has been trotted out by Paradrones for years when this subject arises, that there was barely any naval warfare during the medieval period so it’s fine to not have it in. If you do a search on the forums you’ll find people claiming this. Maybe the tide has finally turned in recent years however, I haven’t checked.

>>2080502
Female virginity doesn’t exist in western RPGs

>>2070651
People have been asking for Christianity mechanics? It seems like the average player has always preferred to go pagan regardless, even back in CK2

>download the Less Event Spam mod and the stop bothering me mod
>game suddenly becomes enjoyable
>finaly able to start and finish a war without getting 15 different prompts about how the nephew of he mayor at the border of the neighbor realm stubbed his toe while doing b ackflips during a seduction scheme on his gay cousin

The game is actual amazing when you remove the "The sims-isation" mechanics from he game, lul

My feminist queen is going to smash the ecumenical patriarchy. She will spread witchcraft, debauchery and devil worship to the greeks.

No dev diary today?

>>2082650
For the whole of July, yeah

>>2080502
What would you even want in a mod like that? If she gets fucked she gets a permanent -2 diplo modifier?
Gelding was also common for those who violated people's daughters. We should add that too

>>2082630
Sounds more fun than watching them get rolled by Muslims

>>2082423
What's wrong with living in comfort under Mongolian rule?

>>2082650
Paradox takes a long summer vacation every year

>>2082566
nah the current argument against adding it that you see those guys making is that it's just too mechanically complicated for ck3! after all, this game is way easier than ck2 was!

>>2082390
sounds canonically accurate.

>>2082673
A huge marriage acceptance penalty maybe.

>>2081345
the 18th century ones?

I played CK2 6 years ago.
is CK3 worth playing over CK2 now?

I played legit for the first time by never cheating on my wife and focusing my entire family solely on gathering alliances or assigning them as governers and Im like the 5th guy in and already formed the Roman Empire. In CK2 I never even figured outhow to not get accidentilly declared Byzantine Emperor and then instantly raped by my vassals with no way of stopping it.

>>2083156
A lot of the smaller systems they've worked on (landless, traveling, activities, raiding) are pretty good, but it's still a blobby and unchecked power fantasy
The tone's different than CK2 but it's in a fairly competent state on its own, even without any of the DLC

>>2083525
>it's still a blobby and unchecked power fantasy
That's every strategy single game campaign in existence with a map and played against AI

>>2083546
every single*

>>2083525
>even without any of the DLC
Is it like HOI4 where major game mechanics are locked behind DLC or can you skill most of them?

>>2084052
A lot of reworks were done as free updates, but the main content is locked behind the DLC
Like Royal Court came with a culture rework, but the dlc is needed to reform/diverge cultures
T&T added in travel/activities, but need the expansions for anything other than hunts, feasts, and pilgrimages
Plagues are in base game now, Legends of the Dead just adds Black Plague events, funerals, and legends
Roads to Power unlocks Landless and Administrative governments, Greeks are otherwise feudal
Khans unlocks nomads, steppe is otherwise tribal
Iberia, Persia, and Vikings, and the event packs don't change anything

>>2084304
>T&T added in travel/activities
Is that the sort of "questing" thing I say in a video? You can't do that without that DLC then?

devs should just remove west africa, it's literally the most boring and uninteresting region in game (ethiopia/east africa should stay thoughy) instead of expanding into fuckig china.
fuck ad the swahili coast if you want niggers because it had actually some interaction with the arab world

>>2084458
It was part of the patch, so it's free. T&T added some dlc specific activities and travel benefits.
>Is that the sort of "questing" thing I say in a video?
What video? If you're talking about landless gameplay, that's Roads to Power
Wandering Nobles was an event/focus tree pack but I've literally never used it.

>>2084521
https://youtu.be/fuwfkjEHS2c?t=462

Then another one I watched where they went on a hunt, and instead of just a pup-up like in CK2, you actually picked where you went to hunt and a little travel trail appeared on the map.
That new system is free?

>>2084524
The mod footage looks like it's a modified Tour (part of the DLC), but I'm not sure if it'd actually be locked in the mod itself if its seperately differently.
Traveling itself was made a part of the patch, and so are included in the base game. Going to (basic) feasts, hunts, and pilgrimages now involves having your character traverse across baronies to get there, encountering repeated events, then waiting for people to arrive before going through the events.

>>2070588 (OP)
The only reason to play this game is still the POD mod.

>>2084467
I know I personally don't give a shit about 50% of the map already.

What the fuck are they doing adding China? Does the game even run well enough to add that much to it?

>>2084752
Because Asian bucks. Every Asian player is going to buy the DLC.

>>2084753
Well I hope if it tanks preformance, there'll be a mod to return the game to original CKII (pre-iindia) map

>>2083370
Death by byzantine enthronement kek

I unironically had a dream this week where my realm's bishop suddenly had a new trait called "says the n word frequently". I was trying to figure out if he'd actually say it in game in an event. Also for some reason it was irl Orthodox bishop Kallistos Ware.

>decide to give a landless playthrough a shot in PoD
>not even a decade in and the limited travel event pool that was already driving me crazy as landed is now actively making me contemplate suicide
>all those scheme contracts making me sit on my ass with nothing to do except eating random peasants on the side
>the unique character objective seriously expects me to stick with this long-term
How is this shit DLC rated so highly?

>>2080753

Thats because they made the flavor a "quantity over substance" thing. In CK3 you have a billion inconsequential events, decisions and activities constantly poping up an bothering you, they are poorly-written, unimportant, annoying, and take way too long to resolve. In CK2 there were far les events but they were a lot more impactful. Compare joining a lodge and and becoming a living legend in CK2 to the "legend" system in CK3 were you get 20 different legends popping up on the notifications on whatever the fuck you do. THE KING TOOK A MASSIVE TURD OUT OF HIS ASS WOWWWW BETTER PAY 14 GOLD A MONTH FOR THESE 3 MINISCULE MODIFIERS TO ASPREAD SLOWLYYYY ACROSS YOUR 40 PROVINCES. Its like they took every system in CK2 but made it convoluted, silly and annoying. And thats not mentioning the horrendous UI menus, trying to manage your Accolades is like fucking pulling teeth. Does paradox think its normal that a mod called "NO MORE EVENT SPAM" is in the top charts of the steam mods downloads, for their strategy game, did they think at some point that MAYBEE they overdid it, and now you can barely play the GSG part of the game because you are constantly barraged by an infinite number of decicions, popups, and other shit you dont care about.

You wanty to know how it feels to play CK3? Turn off your antivires and adblocker and enter any poor site of your chossing, its just a barrage of ads blocking the screen, thats what CK3 feels like. The siege timer is ticking on your capital and you are desperately rumaging across 20 different screens about the rulers neighbhors marriage, your cat breaking a vase, 4 new children of your dynasty being born half way across the world need to be named by you specificaly, quick you need to raise your levies, the vikings are gonna finish the siege!!, ahh nooo my vassal got married, another screen, and now my heir is a prisoner and my only county is devastated.

Paradox needs to understand that sometimes, less is more.

>>2085759
PoD's implementation strips out a lot of the events and is more of a proof of concept the devs say they'll revisit after the chinoid expansion.

Pretty cool mod on the workshop that changes the camera perspective

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3497178264

>>2085782
>In CK3 you have a billion inconsequential events, decisions and activities constantly poping up an bothering you, they are poorly-written, unimportant, annoying, and take way too long to resolve.
And at the same time there's an utterly pathetic amount of them, I've managed to get every single event every single run because every single event category has maybe a dozen events on repeat. Host a feast? Enjoy the same events forever. Travel? Enjoy the same events forever.

>>2070794
I liked the Off map China in CK2 though.

>>2086200
Ehhhh, while it did make China more imposing as this abstraction of an empire you can't "truly" interact with, at the same time it did kinda blow chunks not being able to actually PLAY as the Chinese empire and only being able to do a budget bootleg version in the form of Chinese Imperialism (which required to you be Taoist and Taoism in CK2 was absolute ass since it basically served as a religion you'd play as to NOT have any religious involvement).

>>2086217
Taoism just made adopting chink imperialism cheaper if you had one of the four cultures.

>>2086217
You didn't NEED Taoism, it just made the decision cheaper, you just needed a Chinese culture

>>2074755
>every 100 years or so a bunch of germans and russians got it in their heads to larp as poles
This isn't fully inaccurate. See Nietzsche, probably the most famous Polish larper. If he was alive today he'd be to Poland what katana wielding fedora weebs are to Japan.

>>2082673
>woman fucks around before marriage
>gets not-a-virgin secret
>if it gets out -50 marriage acceptance unless recipent has lustful or w/e
>if it doesn't get out have events about hiding it from husband at the wedding
>if drunkard or w/e high chance to succeed
>otherwise groom can try to break the marriage off or be okay with it or w/e with varying results and huge relationship penalties for everyone involved

>Maglor run in Realms in Exile
>"Eregion route sounds easy enough. I've surely plenty time to settle and go save the West."
>can only get any allies through the diplomacy tree and events since Maglor is the only member of his family alive and starts as a volcel widower
>forced to sit in a cuck cage waiting for enough money to buy MAA or hire mercenaries because the army you start with is too small to siege any of the orcs you're meant to purge and ally AI doesn't send anyone to help me
>after finally getting enough men still end up bogged down by the fact my PURGE THE DARKNESS casus beli only allows me to PURGE THE DARKNESS in only one (1) of the titles of the same rank if my enemy has multiple
>just to spite me even more, orcs keep balkanizing themselves to force me to whack them county by county
>while I'm off killing orcs my elvish peasants decide their rights are a more pressing matter and rebel
>since moving through the mountains takes a small eternity by the time I get back they've already sieged down all my holdings, thereby removing all my income for the foreseeable decade
>meanwhile Mordor beelines to make Rohan into a tributary in the first few years
>in the next few years the King returns just in time to preside over the fall of Minas-Tirith
>don't you worry though since the screen-wide event notifications tell me the Good Guys are winning in places that weren't ever in the books
To this day, I've no idea how they ever arrived at the conclusion that CK3 is somehow a fitting mechanical base for a LOTR mod.

>>2085782
>>2086186
Adding to this, what I don't like about them is how fucking specific they are. Every single event reads like a midwit's first novella where every trip and step and sound and cloud is described, exacerbated by the 3D animations, which feel so silly and cartoony that I can't possibly take *any* event seriously. CK3's characters aren't meant to be filled in by the player, carried by his fantasy, but are rather playdolls that serve as a conduit for the "content creator's" terrible writing.

For CK3 to be a better game would require to rewrite every single event.

>>2073472
Yeah i cringed the fuck Out AS i saw the lgbt coloured Skyrim Logo in their discord-.-

>>2073472
Fuck, you weren't kidding. What even is that

>>2086537
>Khajiit name
>Argonian role
That's a furry

powerful POD moment

>>2079193
May I interest you in Patrician 3, my kind sire?
Alternatively, there is always Port Royale 2 for mor exotic backdrop

>>2082570
Every single religion has something going for them. Christian ones AT BEST have popes and that's it.

Paradox literally didn't even try to make 1066 historically accurate and it took me trying to fix every inaccuracy until I realized these weren't just oopsies but conscious decisions; just look at the couple of female rulers and 'bishops' within the HRE

>>2070651
>>2070684
Things I want from this game would require a complete redesign, so I just stopped playing after adventurers.
The worst part is that they actually do care to make CK3 functional, it's the base game that's fucked up, and no amount of post-release reworks is going to change that. Tournaments and then adventurers were just pure pain, because I realised they are adding stuff I want to see, which is then dragged down by base game, and that in turn means there is no point to bother, because it will always be fucked up
>Twice the size of I:R map
>But half the amount of provinces
>Establishing a kingdom is the only viable gameplay (until adventurers)
>Development is a thing, but you can't actually develop your land (like getting new baronies in CK2), since map is purely vsual, with no in-menu stuff
>Unlocking building slots is a thing, but it's unrelated with land development
>Gear and regalia are there as super-duper bonus-granting artifacs
>Lfestyles are to stay as they are
>Great projects never-ever
>No actual infrastructure of any kind, just raw dev (but this is nu-PDX, so having more than 3 buildings per province is haram)
>Religion is all or nothing, so third of Europe is weird fringe sects and similar movements all the time
>It is to stay like that, and been repeatively affirmed as such
>There are emergent cultures, but they are half-baked set of modifiers
>It is to stay like that
>Copy-pasting CK2 mechanics whenever possible, rather than improving or expanding them
>Including plagues
>But not even trying to include merchant republic or just fucking city states
>Government can't be changed, ever, unless you are a tribal
>Since the scale of the game is day-by-day, numerous actions like a royal hunt or a feast, take few months, rather than 2-3 weeks tops
And worst of all, they are not even trying to expand the events library. They just half-ass 3-5 event chains (if they are chains at all) per any activity and then just never touch it again

>>2089378
It's true, I made a lunatic possesed and melancholic character, and I never once felt as if I played anything out of the norm, they could have been labelled anything else and the modifiers they stand for would have led to the same experience. This game requires depth, at some point they're gonna have to PLAYTEST it

>>2089368
Anyways, finished with the duchies, which compared to Germany aren't that much different from vanilla. Will start messing with the history files tomorrow if I get off work early again.

Spoleto and Abruzzo borders look weird.

>>2089378
>>Copy-pasting CK2 mechanics whenever possible, rather than improving or expanding them
That's not true, sometimes they completely redo them like they did with Byzantium, and sometimes they make them worse, like bloodlines.

Playing GoT mod. Is it just me or is the game far more fun if you use the console and fuck whoever/whenever you want, give yourself dragons, Ice, etc.?

>>2089640
How so? I split up Spoleto to represent the later split between Sicily and the Papal States; the borders of Abruzzi are supposed to grosso modo represent the justiciarate of Abruzzi

>Blobbed Byzantine gets 4th crusaded
>Game runs smoothly again
Admin government was a mistake.

>>2089968
Now imagine China

Shouldn't this be in the /gag/ thread?

If I want to play as a byzantine person and conquer India and Iran like Alexander did, who should I pick?

>>2089868
I like creating demigods in the designer, but still trying to become relevant through deeds, gaining money and prestige through your character's skills instead of asking for everything through the console. It's the difference between eating venison in an establishment, and hunting a deer with a rifle for sport

Crisis of the Confederation shall be returning in CK3

No idea how long it will take them to release it. Most countries are republics, with plenty of non-hereditary dictatorships, I'm curious what are they going to do with it

What is the best ruler to start off as in the Legacy of Persia DLC? I just got the game and bought that DLC with it because I like Middle Eastern history

>>2090117
That one zoroastrian, bavandid dynasty or whatever

>>2089968
Just get the Population Control mod. The game is unplayable without it.

When will the game be rebalanced? The highest stat descriptor (excellent) starts at like 18 and I have my stats in the range of 50-90.

>>2089954
Shouldn't Fermo be part of Spoleto?

>>2090078
Cool

>>2086537
schizophrenia, but woke
here's another elder kings dev

So is there any hope for EK2 or it will just die next big update?

>>2090413
No wonder they get so much work done, each dude is like 5 dudes.

>>2090413
>21
>Discord member since 2016
Poor bastard never had a chance.

Is there a mod that prevents women from being mayors? Or, even better, reduces the frequency of women spawning at all because they're fucking everywhere (physicians, artisans, etc).
I think I've found the files to modify for the latter, but I can't find where mayor spawning is handled.

>>2090352
It is, Fermo is that bit of coastline Spoleto had. I did make some changes since then however, mostly on the barony level

>>2090466
>>2090413
>I'M AS DOPE AS TWO RAPPERS YOU BETTER BE SCARED

>>2089378
>Things I want from this game would require a complete redesign, so I just stopped playing
Same, but I quit long before that due to the realization that the CK3 team will never rework the useless peasant levies and overtuned Space Marine knights and MAA.
>Religion is all or nothing, so third of Europe is weird fringe sects and similar movements all the time
This is one of the things I hate the most, especially for Islam which is split between schools of thought which shouldn't be separate faiths at all. Its retarded, and so is the immersion-breaking Heresy mechanics.

>>2090892
>and so is the immersion-breaking Heresy mechanics
And the fervor mechanic alongside it
>Catholics win Crusades
>This causes fervor to fall for some reason which causes heresy outbreaks and giant kingdoms converting to random shit like Adamism or however the nudist religion is called

Why did Paradox make it impossible to marry your own daughter, even with cheats? You could in CK2. I spent an hour trying to figure out how to marry my daughter yesterday, only to dscover that you just can't.

>>2091241
??? Bro, it's easy. Just have a religion that allows it. It even has a special relation name: Daughter-wife

>>2089378
>Since the scale of the game is day-by-day, numerous actions like a royal hunt or a feast, take few months, rather than 2-3 weeks tops
This shit is what kills my interest in the game. I spend a little time doing something, blink and my character is 20 years older. Activities are pure mana exchanges instead of routine and a chance for fun events to fire, not that there are any because by the 2nd ruler you pretty much saw all the events you could.

>>2091241
i want to play the version of ck3 this dude has access to

>>2090554
Man, why did you have to say this? Now I notice it everywhere

>>2090554
>>2091741
I think I found it.
"common\pool_character_selectors\00_city.txt"

So, unless the realm has male-only succession, female mayors can spawn.
Under "character_score", there are modifiers based on male/female dominated doctrine. So changing that would affect the rate of female mayors.
Or you could just add "is_male" the "valid_character" parameters to prevent female mayors across the board.

Why the fuck doesn't ck3 have an envious trait? A game called Crusader Kings which doesn't have the 7 deadly sins is fucking retarded. In ck2 vassals with the envious trait would be hard to manage so you always wanted to avoid landing characters who are envious. No wonder ck3 is so easy. Even the ambitious trait doesn't give an that big of an opinion malus with the liege, just -15 opinion which is trivial to offset.

>>2091860
Traits barely matter man, you could be a raving loon in the character sheet but the playthrough is roughly the same

>>2091860
In CK2 it's Kind, Envious, and Cruel go together.
In CK3 these are Compassionate, Callous and Sadistic. Callous has pretty similar modifiers to Envious but lacks the liege opinion modifier.

>>2090786
If Spoleto is part of Italy shouldn't Abruzzi be too since Naples only annexed the latter after Spoleto became a Papal fief?

>>2091933
Yeah, you're right, but I'm partial to the 'iconic' Naples border.
I'll think about it

>>2091860
religions only get three or four sins a piece in ck3, seven is right out

Why is it so fun to cuck your husband as a female ruler

>>2091971

>>2091972
3rd child already

>>2091860
naming traits after nazi fascist concepts like the 7 deadly sins is problematic, chud
ck3 is a diverse game that needs to accomodate all sorts of people all over the world, not just e*ropeans

>>2091947
And that's dumb. The Christian virtues and sins are wrong too even for only being 3 each.
Virtues
>forgiving compassionate chaste
Sins
>vengeful sadistic lustful

>>2091835
Thanks a lot! Added it to my faggot remover mod as a little bonus

>>2090413
It's a messed up Khajjit

>>2070588 (OP)
>the future of CK3 after China.
Wow, so they'll actually do china. Instead of fixing the base game?

I haven't played in ages. The last thing I remember was when they added plagues. Is it worth coming back to CK3? Have they added anything interesting or fixed base mechanics (like the titular crusades) in the meantime?

>>2092172
no, they didn't fix shit
they just keep adding more bloat

>>2089378
My least favorite part is the fact that your characters only get 3 personality traits, and they're not dominant enough to really make a difference.

>>2090083
I imagine that they'll use a lot of administrative government stuff, or modify republics to be playable. Unfortunately, I don't know if they'll be able to do a good implementation of the Terran Republic. I loved the oligarchic merchant families.

I'm fed up with AI Haesteinn's fucking border gore at the start of every game.

>>2082560
>-10 opinion if their a virgin over 30
right in the feels

I feel that with the release of china dlc game will become extremely laggy and that any area that is't china will be too boring to play in
kinda like africa, slav lands and india

>>2091971
And now I'm cucking my daughter in law

What fun

>>2082560
>-10 opinion if their a virgin over 30
no need to include unrealistic scenarios, the game is to meme oriented already

If you wondered why ck3 is too easy...

>>2092993
Literally a setting.

>>2093035
It basically sets it so that harm events can only happen once every 50 years for the entire player dynasty, not even individual characters. And every 30 years for an AI house. Then they disable an individual harm event after it has been fired so the same one can't happen again if the first harm effect failed.

>>2092993
Also, you need a mod to turn off only one AI can plot to kill the player at a time.

>>2093146
what's the mod name?

I really wish they would make a start date like the Iron Century in 936 again. It became my favourite start date when they added it to ck2. I'd like 769 again but I'm pretty certain they said they wouldn't do it

is it better than ck2 yet?

Why does almost every modder lock their workshop page and hide behind discord? It kills the community around the mods.

>>2070651
They said they wanted China first before republics and trade systems so that they can have the Silk Road be more filled out I believe

>>2093413
They said no 769 and the way they set up innovations it would be a mess to add, but I’d like improvements to the innovation system overall anyway.

>>2092409
Didn’t they code him to always invade Britain now instead of conquering France?

>>2092172
They for an overhaul on how the AI handles crusades to supposedly stop them from running around as a million little split armies due to supply issues

>>2071486
India is important for the era due to playable Muslims, part of the reason the crusades initially went so well was Muslims were more focused on going east into India.

>>2093778
Eh, not really. By the time the Crusades started, Muslims were already firmly present on the indian subcontinent. The reason why the Crusades (the First Crusade specifically, every subsequent one was a failure) went so well was the general fragmentation of thee muslim world at the time and excess of manpower that the feudal west had at its disposal due to overabundance of all the second and third sons with no hope of getting land of their own. As well as a good propaganda by the Pope and preachers among the common people.

>>2093521
3 more years

>>2093551
you can't be a janny on a steam workshop page. yeah you can delete comments, but you can't powertrip the same way as "@user you broke rule 4. this is your first and only warning"
fuck I'm still mad at some jannytroon in the ck3 agot server that was like "umm you're doing offtopic discussion move to this #channel" when I actually started having a nice convo with a guy about asoiaf lore, too bad it wasn't in the lore channel! anyways I haven't talked in their server since out of spite and only stay for update pings, but they've had this pride month - Ukraine crossover server pfp for 2 years straight now

what do you think will become of the Asia mods once AuH releases?

>>2092402
The restriction on personality traits sounds good in concept if they truly did matter more so than simply giving stress every once in a while. Especially for the AI.

>>2093908
hopefully a HIP type deal where those mods actually focus on historical accuracy and immersion and whatnot

AIEEE PARADOX-SAMA DON"T LOOK

>>2094029
WoC-sama, I kneel...

>>2094029
What's that?

>>2094044
Weight of Crown.

Do nomads still suck in ck3?

Hey guys, finally getting a PC capable of playing this, what mods do I need? No DLC until I know if I like it.

>>2094076
they're only fun if you take them out if the steppe
Settled rulers can't handle them and having a network of feudal/clan tributaries is way better than the formless, evolving mess of impermanent horse traders (they also give more gold and access to better raiding grounds)

>>2094175
In CK2 nomads expanding out of the steppe would soon stop being nomads but yeah, settled rulers can't do shit to them.

>>2094085
>finally getting a PC capable of playing this
any computer made within the last two decades can run ck2
>what mods do I need?
up to you nigga
>No DLC until I know if I like it.
just pirate them all nigga

>>2094435
>any computer made within the last two decades can run ck2
this is the ck3 general, playa
>up to you nigga
i dont fuckin know any mods for this game, which are the ones everyone uses?

>>2093197
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2891684316

Should work I assume I was just looking for it myself

>>2094029
sneedgah

>>2075415
Ck2 you had to at least build a fleet to transport your armies even if there was no naval combat itself
Ck3 you can just put 50k men on boats anywhere, anytime. Its fucking stupid

>>2075415
>a game that prides itself on depth and detail.

>>2091971
>>2092758
51 years of age, finally became infirm. 9 children total, 8 from her childhood crush turned lover, 1 legitimate from her husband -- the black sheep of the family, literally. 11 lovers total over the course of her life, including her husband.

>>2094910
Also,
>Hendrik Reginarid, black of hair
>Rodulf Reginarid, black of hair
>Reginar Reginarid, black of hair
>Otto Reginarid, ... golden-haired

>>2093735
Yeah but in my experience he always starts fucking with Halfdan instead of the local Anglos

>>2094754
I wouldn't mind a compromise where they kept auto-embarkation but we still had to actually build a navy with ports, or pay out to hire some ships.

>>2094754
>>2094923
Embarking still costs a lot of money. The issue is the economy being a joke and gold being effectively infinite once you get a few decades into the game.

>>2094754
it was tedious as all hell to build those boats.

Why did jews get all the holy land buffs in our timeline

So, what ideas do you have for campaigns in Asia?
>Chinese governor in Sichuan because I like the food
>Taira no Tadanori in 1178 Japan and killing all of the genji fucking shits
>Champa to try out the mandala government
>some kind of Hui muslim run, maybe usurping the Liao and conquering China
I'm saving the "white man in the Orient" fantasy for the trade expansion, as I'll then be a Scotchman of the Struan noble house

>>2095507
Custom japanese female adventurer going westwards to succumb to BIG VARANGIAN COCK

>>2095507
Hong Xiuquan with a custom heresy of course

>>2095507
Huang Chao saving the Middle Kingdom from the gentry

>>2095507
Ainu JOMON BVLL reconquest of Honshu from y*yoi dogs

>>2095507
Either find an interesting Chinese/Japanese/Korean pagan religion or Tibetan conquest of China

>>2095507
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgNf4_3qtxM

>>2095507
I dont think Hui were muslims at this point in time. They should still be animist.

>>2095507
Conquer China as Jurchen.

been playing a lot of ek2 recently with the trial of vivec mod

>>2095762
Hui were "created" through intersections of trade with Muslims in Central Asia. They were never animist, but an identity created through marriages of Arab or Persian traders to Han people, or the conversion of them to Islam. I don't know how it was strictly measured (ie, if a Han person officially "became" Hui if they said the full Allahu Akbar... pledge, or if it was only their descendants) but their existence in the Dynasties, was officially codified with the Ming as Muslims within China, while later would specify that they are Muslims with Han ethnicity, different than a Uyghur or Islamic Mongol
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/who-are-the-hui-people.html

You know something I realised?
There is no one-handed trait in CK3.

>>2096579
It's abstracted by the maimed trait.

Is part of anatolia supposed to be steppe or do I have some fucked up mod

>>2096671
It is, it's so that Turkish nomads can invade

Why is reddit still obsessed with muh Haesteinn. It's like the chungus meme of ck? It was never funny since it's a stupid power fantasy.

>>2096582
There's a clear difference between being maimed and simply lacking a hand.

>>2096701
Yes. Forgot ck2 had it. Also had mangled.
https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Traits

>>2096689
Thanks, how does suleyman work now for forming Rum can you just instantly invade or do you have to do normal adventurer shit?

I FUCKING HATE PLAGUES

>>2096699
Go back there and ask them, faggot.

Are the Europe/feudal DLCs coming next year or the year after?

>>2097096
The discussion was for future content; trade was discussed as being 2026, but they could reprioritize per the survey

>>2096699
Many people almost exclusively play as Haestein, for some reason. He's not just le funny horse, he's the only option for them. Why? I don't exactly know. Lack of difficulty? His sandbox nature? Le memes?

There was this guy I sat infront of during one of my classes in uni, and he often played ck3; only ever saw him starting as Haestein. I was astounded.
There's a whole world out there filled with people completely unlike us.

Is there a good mod for marriage AI?

>>2094910
Fuck

>Content trait gives you stress if you refuse to be a cuckold
Wtf Paradox

>>2097203
Come on lmao

>>2096965
You need medieval ICE.

>>2095507
Keep japan pure jomon and wipe out the yayoi

>>2097203
Lmao. Cucked Kings 3

>>2096699
Same people who love koifish, meme youtubers

How the fuck do people get this game to run at any reasonable speed past like ~200 years?
It slows to a crawl every time. Is there some setting I'm missing? Do people actually continue to play it like that? My PC is good by like 5 years ago standards and I have that mod that culls characters but even that does basically nothing after a point. I almost exclusively play total conversions with smaller maps so I can actually play the fucking game. How are you supposed to dynasty build if after 3 generations the game slows to complete ass?
How the fuck are they expecting to add all of East Asia and not completely fuck the game? Yeah they're "optimizing" but do you really think that's going to be sufficient enough? It's not. At best it's going to run the same as it does right now (which isn't good) and more likely the game will be unplayable only 100-150 years in instead of 200

What's a good start for playing Administrative for the first time?

>>2097672
I like starting as a count in Byzantium. Be aware that it will be really painful, because counts in byz are basically like Barons in feudalism, i.e. you're not really part of the "grand game" you're just a sidekick. But if you can rise to become a duke (strategos), then you're in the game and the sky is the limit.

>>2097778
>the sky is the limit.
And sadly, the game places you in a literal space shuttle.
As soon as you become a duke, it's like a (relatively short, at most a 1.5 generation) timer begins until half of all duchies become controlled by your dynasty, and you're voted emperor. It's quite inescapable. The climb to the top can be done with your eyes shut. After which there's nothing stopping you from reorganizing the rest of the provinces to be practically always be held by your dynasty. You can start as a literal nobody and within 50 years become the god emperor of the Byzantines

I'm currently trying to mod the holdings grapichs of the turkish culture from these to the generic muslim/persian/middle east ones, but i apparently cannot do that without forcing turkish characters to also switch to either arabic or persian clothes.

How do i mod this shit? There must be a way, given in HIP the andalusian muslims have the western holding graphics despite being the muslim/middle east graphics everywhere else

>>2097203
>character trait is not wanting to make a fuss
>gets stressed when making a fuss
should have gone ambitious

>>2097651

Only workaround is that mod that lets you disable certain regions. The number of characters get exponentialy bigger as the game goes on and the calculations start to slow your ystem down to a crawl. Same thing happened in ck2 with the indi8a expansion, there was just too much unimportant shit going on and sucking up resources. That mod i mentioned REALLY helps, and lets be honest, if you are playing in, say, spain, the steppe and tocharia are completely irrelevant.

>>2097651

They should just do what they did with ck2 and add an option to simplify AI scheming plots. At any given point there are like 5 billion seduction/hook plots/ assassin ations going on by all the irrelevant characters in the world, and it destroys performance, on top of clogging you screen with poups about irrelevant schemes going on in your court

>>2097904
>hey honey, I cheated on you and the kid growing in my belly isn't yours
>ok honey, sounds great > no stress
>wow, really? well then I'm not raising it > AAAGFHHHH AGHGHH AHHHH NOOO OHH THE HORROR THE HORRROR I WILL LITEARLLY DIE OF A HEART ATTACK NO WAY
Or the Paradox content team is filled with cucks.

>>2097787
yeah i hated that the one time i played in byzantium after admin govs were implemented. concept was starting as a hellenic character as the strategos of athens to slowly expand and flip the primary religion to hellenic. my first character didn't even die before he was voted in as emperor against my wishes. didn't spend influence on the election ever. it was just because i put spare family members in charge of other duchies and they all invested in me. didn't feel like continuing that run any further

>>2097262
I am more of an Emishi enjoyer myself.

>>2097203
>>2097904
PDX personality traits are just weird. They clearly never read Jung or Freud.

>>2097959
That's basically CK3 in a nutshell, do nothing and win

>>2097964
>they
CK3 'content designers' are literally random whos that they hire for a year or two and then cycle. The only qualification is being capable of writing a semi-understandable English sentence and, seemingly, looking like a solennial redditor.
It would be a miracle if these people even know of Jung or Freud beyond "haha le funny incest man" and "some swiss guy"

>>2097990
I know, it is just still weird that there is no contenf control. Checking if the content makes sense, and has some quality.

>>2097959
>make intricate and interesting elective system that incentivizes several non-warring playstyles
>it's immediately void after your first emperor because you can just appoint your family to as many titles as you can give and get around the entire elective system

>>2098054
It is still weird they choose Byzantines for DLCs where to add admin governmrnt. When the Byzantines survived solely because they militarized their administration and Thematas were military governors supposed to defend the Empire from Arab and Slavic hordes.
Admin government should unitonically be HRE thing.

Whats your guy's current run/LARP right now?
I'm doing a chink warlord and making some of my daughters concubines and keep getting them pregnant x1000 then educatemaxxing them into martial.
My nation lookin kinda big rn

>PoD is mechanically head and shoulders above most other Total Conversions
>Hardly any subscribers because it's not le game of thrones

>>2098102
yeah I thought it was really weird how you essentially only get this noble bureaucratic type rulers when commanders of armies were super likely to rebel and try to take over, much moreso than in the west. I was really hoping that would be modelled somehow.

>>2097203
>>2097922
>Character stressing after everyone finds out that his wife cheated on him and got pregnant
What are you annoyed by exactly

Are there any NSFW mods that allow me to rape prisoners or have personal slaves and stuff like that

>>2098367
Carnalitas + Carnalitas Slavery Expansion 2.0

>>2097964
>>2097990
Freud and Jung are not exactly the state of the art in psychology anymore. You might as well ask the devs to model the characters' cranium according to their temper.

>>2098484
Yeah but they're the most famous ones that get referenced in media and pop culture a lot so therefore they're the apex of psychological studies and therefore knowing they exist makes you sound very smarterer. That's how it works.

>>2098484
Except they are the state of the art to this day. Everything they wrote about is still right to this day and all the modern psychologists just repeat their points with very little to add on to it.
>>2098487
>something is bad because it features in pop culture

>>2098274
Ehhh, it's still the 4th most popular total conversion and was the number one at some point.

>>2097909
>>2097911
>newline after the quotes
Fuck off chatgpt go infest /pol/ with the dead internet theory.

>>2098352
>0 stress from founding out that your wife has been cheating on you
>41 stress if you DON'T knowingly raise another man's son as your own.

>>2098656
>0 stress from finding out that your wife has been cheating on you
Haven't gotten cucked in a while but I don't believe this is the case

>>2098658
The event is adultery.1004
There's literally 0 stress gain unless you're vengeful.

>>2098656
>41 stress if you DON'T knowingly raise another man's son as your own
I don't think they meant it to be stress by feeling guilty for caring about it or something like that...
>0 stress from founding out that your wife has been cheating on you
That's stupid if true. Are you sure that you don't get stress by whatever decision you make after that instead?

>>2098660
That's not the event that reveals your spouse has been unfaithful.

>>2098673
There isn't just one event that reveals your spouse has been unfaithful, anon.

>>2098680
Exactly, which is why there should be a separate event that fires for the character when they discover the secret.

>>2098690
>Exactly
What do you mean exactly, that's not at all what you said.

>>2098693
I mean the stress of finding out your spouse is cheating on you probably comes from a secondary event that fires whenever you discover the secret.
That's why the event you posted doesn't give any stress.

>>2098695
>mean the stress of finding out your spouse is cheating on you probably comes from a secondary event that fires whenever you discover the secret.
Which event is that

>>2098696
I don't know and I'm not 100% sure it even exists, but I'm not about to comb through the files to find it.
There are plenty of events that give or reduce stress and don't fire the full event, but just a small notice at the bottom right of the screen.

>>2098701
>I'm not 100% sure it even exists
Ok.

>>2098660
>>2098673
>not playing with mod related
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2228403053

>Play as a HRE vassal
>France declares war on a county I own
>Liege AI is genuinely retarded and can't fight for shit despite having more troops.
Holy how can ur AI be worse than the one in CK2

>>2098731
What will I jerk off to then?

>>2098776
not being able to join a war for your own land is a serious design fuck up

>>2098369
>set child gender focus
that's some legit evil shit, fuck you and whoever made this trash mod

>>2098909
wtf is your problem with it?

>>2098930
groomer shit

>>2098932
no you retard, it's the middle ages "take lemons to get a boy" type shit

>>2098933
oh KEK

>>2091971
Anyways

>>2098979
Cute fishe

>>2098979
>ruled as sole heir for 50 years

>Randomly assigned inheritance gives everyone non-contiguous bordergore
How fucking hard can it be for these retards to just add an inheritance menu where you assign duchies/counties based on how many each heir is supposed to receive, instead of it being fucking random?

>>2099194
It's not random though, the game just can't figure out which duchies are next to other duchies so if you have a bunch of single counties in different duchies they go to different heirs semi-randomly, but if they inherit for example duchies from a king tier father they usually don't get random counties outside of it.
Talking about CK3 here, the CK2 system is a lot less refined.

>>2098979
Why did you draw her like that, lo

>>2099201
There's gotta be a better way

>>2098984
>>2099209
The monk that drew her did so 70 years after her death

Plus he couldn't draw, duh

Welp. rip to the giga HRE, probably

>>2099222
Get a better succession law, the first one is the only one that creates new titles for your heirs.

>tfw temujin brings you hundreds of asiatic qt3.14s to your doorstep

>>2098889
I guess it prevents Dutchy vs Dutchy wars or kingdom even from having dozens of individual counts and dukes all joining in the fighting on the defense as a complete clusterfuck and drain on processing resources all around the world

>Going for Carolingian Consolidation
>France gets dissolved, become only independent Karling with land
>Still no sweet cheevo
Do adventurer companies count as landed for this calculation or something?

Does any kind soul - or nigger - have a list of EK2 submods that are worth using - even just QOL stuff. Niggers do not need to reply, you need to go back to FIFA

>>2099688
Yes, as retarded as that is. Had to land my relatives via the adventurer interaction for the achievement.

Is China seriously still not out? I don't play this game so I don't really care, but I remember China got announced I think half a year ago at this point with what looked like a finished map, how is it still not out?

>>2099816
Because things have release dates and the release date when it was announced was Q4 which is October, November, or December

>>2099824
My bad, I didn't care enough to remember about the released roadmap.

>>2099816
A lot of asian countries have their own government systems or at the very least parts that are different from the governments we have now.
They have to get all of that shit into a semi-playable state.

>>2099828
5 new governments is a surprising decision

>check out what's coming up in the dynastic crusader clash of faiths game
>papua new guinea tribal cannibals
>nope the fuck out

Is it even possible to win a melee at a tournament?

>>2098274
The hunter experience is ball-crushing

>>2099893
It's the most appropriate decision, making governments isn't that hard in the end. Distinguishing them from one another is another matter.

>>2098776
I've seen this game take a 15k sack of troops and do a fucking Normandy-landing invasion against Arabs with 5K troops and lose all of them. If anyone war decs your liege for clay you own, you by default have to get involved, because the AI will absolutely fuck it up and drop the ball. They'll let your shit get conquered while they take their armies off to go claim a tribal settlement 500 miles away.

>>2100710
Why don't vassals join wars automatically when their lands is at stake anyway?

>>2094076
Mercenary nomads are fun. But the problem with doing a gallowsbait run is that you make so much fucking money and you have nothing to spend it on.

There needs to be RP mods where adventurers can have a purpose beyond grinding contracts. Let me be a courtier, or let me buy a title. Something. Even having an empire-tier lord hire you as a permanent merc force like the Varangians would be cool.

>>2100718
I mean manually controlling your armies. Don't set it to automanage and definitely do not attach to their army unless you have basically zero troops of your own.

>First time joining a crusade since they changed the AI to actually gather up and head to the war target together
>They're still completely retarded when they get there
The worst part is the Seljuks only held two counties around Jerusalem and the AI couldn't even take that

>be Viking Chads
>take Normandy
>form Norman culture
>even convert to Catholicism because fuck it
>king of France systematically fucks around and allows England, random dukes, and the Queen of Lothringia to take all of Normandy in wars that happen all at once
>instantly become a landless adventurer
>my character dies shortly after, and his eight year old son inherits
>start a legitimist faction
>build up enough gold and prestige that by the time he turns 19, have a substantial war chest and 1600 troops
>launch a war for Lothringia against its now-excommunicated Queen
>win, and take her kingdom
>launch another war for Burgundy because I have a claim and they're distracted
>capture the Emperor of Francia and take it instantly because lel war score
>launch a war for France against the king who bungled his previous wars
>take it, too
>deposed queen launches a revolt against me
>beat her and take all her lands; eject her from the kingdom with all her claims revoked. Now SHE is the wanderer
>went from being a landless nobody to getting revenge on two high lords and sacking three kingdoms in the span of fifteen years
Anyone who isn't having fun in this game might just be doing it wrong. This playthrough has been Shakespearian.

>>2100957
kino
now that you've climbed your way to the top, it's time to land your sons and then choose your weakest to be your Favored Child and carve a new destiny

>>2095507
Viking South East Asia and Heretical Christian China

>>2095507
Finnish adventurer conquering Korea

>>2099243

>>2070730
doing a sub-sahara expansion would be pointless as we dont really know much about it, it would be like adding the Americas to the map, we dont know much about what was going on in that peroid aside from what we know from archelogy, so they would be making shit up,

>>2101453
EU4 got an abbo update

>>2101476
really just goes to show how fucking Liberal Paradox is but whatever

>>2095507
European adventurer to China. Get landed. Form a Nestorian following. Revolt against the emperor and cause a civil war.

>>2101148
Ha. There's going to be a video at some point. Two players, one in Finland and one in Korea, world conquest challenge.

>>2101916
Someone needs to mod in a Hyperwar event that gives Finland and Korea all the best tech

>>2101920
I am surprised that nobody made any ancient history mod, with Finland, Hwan Empire, Hyperborea, Antlantis, Mu, Lemuria and so on.

>>2100718
Would probably be unbalancing with target vassals joining but not your own vassals and then that would probably make the game a lag fest, with you getting slow down from some fucks in Scandinavia doing an invasion on a kingdom and all the kings vassals rising up and running around

>>2102327
>balance spook
>lag spook
Retards like you should rope themselves

>>2102332
What you don’t think those are the reasons paradox didn’t do it?

>>2102337
Yes, they didn't do it because they are stupid and barely do surface-level research for their games. That is one constant across all their games. They always do the surface-level research and ignore all the actually interesting bits.

he's BEGINNING TO BELIEVE
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3528301889&searchtext=

>>2102465
LMFAO

Playing with Burden of Crown and still can't figure out whether pretty much everyone who isn't me has weird army numbers is because the game simply doesn't count the new levy system into it, AI is stupid about assigning it or everyone really is just governing desolate shitholes.

>Child can't study language because their father is retarded
okay.jpg

Dumb question but this is a part of an unrelated song, it sounds like something I swear I heard all the time playing CK3 but I can't find what track from the OST it copied
https://vocaroo.com/1oX1qj4si3iM
If anyone knows which track has this sting I'll be thankful

>>2102323
Conan mod when?