Thread 2072343

Broken Arrow just released

Talk about the bullshit campaign
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Complain about APS

>>2072343 (OP)
Campaign is bullshit with schizophrenic difficulty , trial and error gameplay and hidden timers, but no save function so when you fail you have to listen to extremely bad VA yapping for 10 minutes

There is nothing differentiating infantry from each other

>>2072363
Troopers have Javelins

>>2072343 (OP)
>>1944320
still at page 7
this is not /vg/ nigger
what kind of retarded monkey do you have to be to make a new thread when the thread was perfectly fine 100s of posts past bump limit

>>2072363
black berets is scary to anything that isn't delta force up close
snipers are great, cheap recon
line infantry is good at taking bullets
weapon teams are good for standoff
manpads are okay for dissuading helos but they desperately need like 1-2 more missiles

past that, it's a matter of nitpicking
>>2072398
look at this fucking janny wannabe

>>2072399
just admit you're a nigger
you already act like one

>>2072343 (OP)
just bought it.
Is this the prophesied sequel to World In Conflict?

>>2072409
More like a mixed race baby of Wargame and WiC

>>2072414
>Wargame
ah shit, is there a 10-20 minute stalemate per match where both sides just shell each other on a battle line poking and prodding?

>>2072421
Yep.

>>2072424
so I only have 2 games to decide if I should refund or not....cool

>>2072446
I somewhat joke, but there is at least can be a good period where that happens, matches only last for 45 minutes.

>>2072446
Or you can just watch the gameplay on youtube.

>>2072421
Only if you're playing with shitters. My experiences with higher elo matches is a lot of clever little pushes, feints and misdirections

It's actually incredibly fun trying to read your opponent, game-to-game
Is he gonna follow up that helo insertion with tanks? IFVs? Rapidly helo-insert more troops further back and try and worm his way into my backside?

>lose the air war
>all your troops are in Mi8
what do? Just immediately land them where they are or try and make it to the point?

>>2072487
The safe bet is to immediately land wherever the helicopter is I think, however, you could tell the helicopter to change altitude so that it's flying lower to the ground which might help it avoid detection or incoming fire. If there are any terrain features like buildings or hills you could also have the helicopter sit next to those while flying low until the planes go away.

>>2072487
>try to make it to the point
The Iran strategy

Can't beat the airborne mission. How do I win? I keep losing vehicles and planes.

>>2072508
The US one or the VDV mission at the airport?

>>2072525
US one

Uh guys? I think the old beta decks might be a bit crazy.
I don't think the Su-34 is supposed to be able to carry a KAB 1500 but my old deck is considered valid.
I'll have to check if I find more of this in my other old decks.

>>2072528
You can scroll up.
Inner pylons can carry 2 KAB 1500s.

I dont like this whole air tax thing. I think planes should not be available for the first 2 minutes of a match

>>2072549
>You can scroll up.
Well fuck, that means some of my new decks are probably missing something.

>>2072553
Eh I've seen cases where a team deploying some SAMs at the start worked out for them so they could hunt helis with their own in the aftermath.
So it isn't that mandatory.

Why is this game randomly crashing? I was in the armory, changing my deck, and suddenly the game stopped responding.

>>2072398
When the game comes out and 600 posts of the previous thread are largely irrelevant due to the game not being out or shitposting about the war in Ukraine.

>>2072553
Don't spawn in helos to start the game.
Or spawn a single SAM at the start of the game.

You don't have to engage in the air tax if you don't want to.

VDV and Mechanized Inf or VDV and Guard Tank?

>>2072527
Let your infantry lead the way, you get some really strong ones in that mission. Your vehicles should stick to the open parts of the map and stay further back, using their range to hit targets your infantry find.
For the most part your troops will win 1:1 fights against the troops against you in that mission so you can just let your vehicles play fire support and bring them in to deal with shit like grenade launcher teams or other vehicles.

This is basically how the game wants you to play in singleplayer. All of the defense missions will have an overwhelming force sent at you but the AI always A-moves so if you just keep your vehicles back and offer them infantry they'll stop and shoot Ivan Ivanovitch rather than the tank behind him.

>>2072736
For the most part Mech is just worse Guards, The only things it really has that stand out are the super heavy arty pieces and the fact that its air tab has 500pts instead of 0 (lol).

If you were looking to play a ground game with some of VDV's helis and planes, Guards is probably the better pairing.

>>2072736
VDV and Guard Tank is probably the simpler one, the heavier vehicle roster makes things less troublesome.
Doesn't help that VDV and Mech have more of and overlap than VDV and Guards and slightly less points for recon.
Mech isn't as limited in terms of the air roster/points but I'm not sure if that is worth exchanging the S-300 for Buks

Is the S300 worth taking the 4 missiles for 4000m range or just take 2 missiles with 4500m range

>>2072790
4 missiles is simpler but you can make a case for the 2 missile version, especially if you think you can keep them alive/ the rest of your team can do is capable of doing AD too.
The 4 missile version is cheaper to resupply and you have the obvious advantage of having more missiles before needing to rearm.
Basically the obvious got to version.
The extra 1k range for the 2 missiles is good and being 25%cheaper is nice too but you can only have 2 S-300 in your deck so only one on the field is probably not enough.
Even then they can be easily overwhelmed by enemy missiles so you'll be quite dependent Tor-1s to support/shield them. Might also be worth manually forbidding them from shooting so they don't waste ammo on missiles.

>>2072790
Two missiles isn't enough on its own but if you want to be cheeky you can bring one with the two big missiles and another card with the normal high volume missiles.

While radar is on, high alt range is doubled, so that 4.5k becomes 9k and now outranges SEAD.

>two players constantly sending prowlers on my half of the map
literally what the fuck am I supposed to do

i wonder if devs can't see real discussions/compaints in steam bc of all the trash that's being put out there
like suggestions a woman would make if you played an rts

Home from work, about to sit down and play. Please lord let the quitters have taken the evening off.

My ELO went up too high and now I'm not having fun. And it goes down 5x slower than it goes up

>>2072932
You're just too good at the game
Team up with me and I can help drag you down

I just keep 2 tors near it to keep it safe, but the 2 missile version of the S300 with 4500 meter range is good

I havent played this kind of game besides a handful of wargame matches years ago.
I watched some tutorials and mucked around in scenario.
Should I just jump into multiplayer now? Is there a decent shitter elo for slowfags?

>no midcampaign save feature
for what purpose

>>2072957
Just get into multiplayer now while its filled with new players. The longer you wait the worse it will get

>>2072956
Just remember, that dipshit from last thread is convinced Russian doesn't have better AA.

Is it worth it buying rn at full price?

>>2072966
Is it not filled with leavers, dead weights, cheating chinks and now matchmaking issues? I was really eagerly awaiting this game, but the reality seems unappealing now. I really want to shit on newbs though, but not if I get repeatedly stuck in 40 min snoozes with half the people missing.
I had the patience to wait through the paypig edition release, but now I'm really torn.

>>2072970
Fanatical and GMG have 15% discount codes now and if they work that might push me over the edge into buying.
FANATICAL15 or JUN15 at GMG. You piss away your refund right though.

>>2072977
I have played 12 matches and only had 2 matches where more than 2 people on a single team quit, havent noticed any cheaters, and there are no matchmaking issues

There are so many Abrams variants, which ones do I get

>stick to your own zone/lane
>attach yourself to another teammates zone/lane and outnumber the enemy in that area
What do you pick?

>>2072978
Just one person leaving early is pretty much a death sentence (not saying you can't overcome, I'm saying that that usually is not going to happen.
And I had one game with a cheater. Was dropping multiple nukes and I think just spawning stuff (tanks) in our back lines

>>2072997
I like a mix of top of line the line shit and a bunch of cheap shit. I use the cheap shit to act as a defensive line and save my primo shit for when I am gonna make a big push.

Blackhawks and Little Birds are fucking great for bringing more troops to the front, and constantly dumping supplies out of blackhawks.
Every time I end up playing Russia I feel lost without easy access to fast, cheap heli transports.

>>2073058
im upset there's so few MI-8 options

I hate these fucking pubbies so much.

>>2073074
>literally half the players have deserted
And anons say its not an issue

>>2073080
If I posted a picture of a lobby with all the players in it would you say that it confirms desertion is not an issue

this game has insane potential to add fun stuff from the Ukraine war. Russia should get an entire mad max division

>>2073087
That's a ukrainian tank thoughever

>People say infantry sucks
>Meanwhile I have 3x meatgrinder medals in fourteen games
Infantry is fucking amazing in this game.

>>2073095
I think they're fine but generally need more AT/AA ammo.

>>2073090
pure russian smekalka albeight. This is a Ukrainian tank

>>2073082
What are norms?

>getting nuked twice in one game
>still win

I really didnt expect to get nuked in the first 5 minutes of a match.

>>2073087
This was a major opportunity to get drone fagging in, the lack of it makes it feel like it may as well be another cold war simulator but with modern stickers tacked on.
I hope its put into an expansion some time.

>>2073095
Basically what >>2073099 said, the ammo to damage makes them less flexible than vehicles.
Standard infantry AT is so anemic that they expend most of their ammo even in an ambush.
Iirc it's 3 AT4 shots against the side of an upgraded T-80BV, which is half of their ammo. Frontally they have just enough ammo to kill it.
If any armor upgrades or APS enter the equation it gets way worse and it's not like you can easily disengage and resupply them in the field.

That doesn't mean line infantry can't kill lighter vehicles or plain sucks but it is a fast difference to how they were in wargame and does limit their option against tanks.

>>2073117
either up ammo or reduce cost significantly

>>2073117
Disengaging infantry is easy as fuck. Just put them on the opposite end of the building where the tank can't get them, then get them out once the fighting dies down.

I'm gonna miss the missile age so much, bros.

Two more years until everything is replaced with a quad copter.

>>2073125
Retard

almost reaching 600 ELO but it's nothing but back and forth with wins and losses

And i'm starting to not be sure about the victory point system
It honestly might be better if they got rid of the stage system
it's starting to make people play too similar makes people minmax assaults at certain times regardless if they can even hold the position or not for 1 second after taking it

>>2073129
If you get a lot of people trying to bumrush your points, predict it. Set up ambushes. Ready fire support. Have a plane with really big bombs you can afterburner quickly onto the point to delete their rush.

Saving up for a bumrush takes a longass time, and if you can handily delete it in an ambush, you've got a clear shot to roll up his whole flank and win the game.

Is it better than Warno? Warno is on 50 off rn and was wondering what to get this or warno

>>2073122
>once the fighting dies down.
>implying
At infantry anti tank range vehicles can rush you down and without ammo it's not like you can counter them.

More importantly it just takes an annoying amount of time to move them to a resupply point and back to the front.

>>2073129
Personally I still think all they should have done is adding a ticket system to the beta game mode.
Either an odd number of objectives and those holding less start losing points or an even number of objectives and there is an additional ticket loss over time to avoid an eternal stalemate.

>>2073132
>Is it better than Warno?
Hard to say. I like it more but I also disliked SD and Warno for how they differed from Wargame.

>>2073129
>almost reaching 600 ELO but it's nothing but back and forth with wins and losses
I'm at 85% winrate.
>>2073133
>At infantry anti tank range vehicles can rush you down and without ammo it's not like you can counter them.
Why do you have infantry in a position where you can not support them? Skill issue.

>>2073133
>Resupplying infantry

I've stopped trying to recover frontline infantry. Sure, I'll do my best to keep them alive for as long as possible, but the ammo Delta deploys with is the ammo Delta will die with. At best, backline stinger teams/grenade launcher teams chilling on the point get resupplied, but any more is just an exercise in frustratin.

>>2073135
You're not getting the point.
Infantry is reliant on support even when entrenched and ambushing.
Which is makes them weaker than in Wargame.
As a consequence they are less line holders and more akin to a tripwire to notify you where the rest of your forces are required.

>>2073140
>>2073138
They were always expendable?

Can my 4060 laptop run this game

>>2073131
that's what i've been doing
i hold my armor and helos in reserve to counter their pushes, sometimes all that matters is their SEAD planes start getting lucky even if you have ideal coverage (mostly the fucking SU-57)
>>2073133
ticket system would have been much better
>>2073135
alright lets starting posting

>>2073140
>Infantry is reliant on support even when entrenched and ambushing.
No shit? Every unit is reliant on other units. Would you send a column of tanks at an enemy point without AA support? Would you send a wave of helicopters with no ground support? Then why are you bitching that infantry can't work without support? Nothing can. If you want infantry to be just like they are in Wargame, how about you fuck off and go play Warframe?

>>2073145
no

>>2073146
>tfw match bugged out and gave you a drop

>>2073151
Implessive

>>2073151
nice
>>2073154
that sucks for the bug
kinda cool we are close in stats

didn't realize we were showing off medals
one day I'll get an infantry medal

>>2073169
Haha what if we made a premade ...

>>2073179
maybe tonight (it's early morning here and i stayed up all night)

>>2073132
warno is pretty dead isnt it?

hope this game gets a low income 10v10 mode like wargame did
had so much fun with it back then

ELO is so fucked. Just had a match where everyone on my team dropped. I lost the most ELO and the victors got 30-40 ELO each. Like, wtf?

>>2073226
Why should the victors not receive ELO for winning a match?

>>2073226
heh....... thanks for your gamer points ...... kid

How do i counter artillery spam without having to move my units around the whole game?

>>2073112
The norms of broken arrow are full matches.

Is there any way to give an order to a unit during the call-in? It's very tedious to have to call in supply trucks, then wait for them to enter the map, then give them their order to dump supplies and shift-queue return to base.

>>2073283
cluster rockets

>>2072997
SepV2 and FEP are equivalent and your main line tank. Give them APS and go kill shit
SepV3 is specifically to overmatch high tier opposing tanks. It gets too expensive with APS so just up-armour it and call it in specifically to duel other tanks.
Lower tier Abrams are just cheap mass to fill out your firing line. Keep them behind the V2s and treat them like extra guns

>>2073283
But your own artillery and counter battery. You can see where artillery fires through the fow so just call your own fire mission down and kill them. You can also bomb them, which is quicker and more likely to catch them before they can move but you need to be SEADing constantly to get planes through without it being a suicide run.

>>2073313
>SepV2 and FEP are equivalent
Not exactly the FEP has HE rounds like the V3 which makes it good against infantry unlike the V2 which is more alright against them.

>>2073283
Ghost Hawk in an infantry unit behind them
Fight through the enemy and rush them down with vehicles
Cluster MLRS
Low-flying bombing run with drag chute bombs
NoE helicopters
Cruise missiles

One of these options may or may not work depending on your opponent

>>2073313
Your SEP V3 will absolutely get hunted down, and APS will absolutely save it

I don't bring tanks without APS anymore

>>2073328
With good smoke micro you completely negate ATGMs, the retargeting buff changes nothing in practice. The only reason you bring tank APS at all is because of helicopters.
A ~385pt Sepv3 with APS is a bad value proposition because someone can just suicide a plane into it and nothing protects you from that. AA can punish a plane strike but they can't prevent it, so generally speaking anything notably more expensive than the disposable suicide plane that can kill it is a bad investment.
Plus a fully decked out SepV3 is literally only better than the SepV2 at piercing high-tier tanks (like other SEPs and Armatas) and surviving fire from enemy tanks. It has no inherent advantage over the V2 fighting IFVs, no advantage surviving volleys of ATGMs (100 extra CE armour doesn't do enough to require an extra hit, so they both die to the same number of ATGM shots) or helicopters or anything else. So why would you pay so many extra pts to protect it from things it shouldn't be fighting? You can bring 4 SepV2s and that's more than enough, you're never going to be fielding 6 expensive tanks in a single blob. Bring the V2s with APS to serve as your mainline tank and the V3s as dedicated tank duelists you only call in to deal with another player's elite tanks. 70pts for APS is just too much when the only reason you'd want to pay the extra pts for the chassis is for the stats that matter vs specific non-ATGM threats. Basically only against RU Guards tanks or Armoured/Marine tanks. At 315pts it's basically impossible for opposing tanks to trade cost-effectively vs a V3 and you're not crying if it gets bombed.
>>2073320
The HE shell is only 3 more damage per shot over the HEAT one. Vs infantry squads with 30-60hp it's a pretty trivial difference. The benefit of the HE shell is basically just that it's dropping 2 bodies per shot on its own while the HEAT shell is 1 damage shy. Counterintuitively, most of an Abram's anti-infantry firepower come from the 2x HMGs

>>2073361
HE also has a larger blast radius,24 vs 18. It also performs better against units in buildings, I think 2/3rds of the shots required.
And I'm not sure how accurate the old beta manual still is but the 3 extra damage might be a lot more impactful against the measly defense infantry has.

>>2073361
I mostly agree with you, but APS also lets you fight in forests to a certain degree without getting insta-clapped by a gvardii squad rushing you with smoke

Here's a random unsolicited tip. This really fucked me up in the betas until I realized the problem and the devs haven't fixed it so it's still relevant.

On IFVs that carry an ATGM, like the Bumerang or the Stryker or the Bradley, the ATGM is slaved to the main gun's turret and can't rotate or acquire targets independently. At long range, this doesn't matter. When there's no target in range of the 'main' gun, the turret will rotate to acquire targets for the ATGM. However, if there is a target in range of the main gun, the IFV's AI will prioritize targeting enemies in range of that main gun. Between the targets in range, it will always prioritize the target its main weapon can deal the most damage to, which obviously is likely to be something lightly armoured that you don't care to fire an ATGM at, or infantry. While the main gun is trained against this target, the ATGM can't independently acquire its own target and will either waste shots on a thin-skinned target or just be unable to fire because the turret is looking at infantry.

If your main gun is a purely kinetic weapon (like the machinegun on a Stryker) it will refuse to train its turret on targets that machinegun can't hurt as long as something it CAN hurt is within range, even if you right click on your preferred target, fucking with the ATGM's targeting.

For most IFVs you don't want to have to right click your preferred target anyways because most ATGMs require the launcher to be stationary, and a right click will make the launcher move if line of sight is broken and break the missile retargeting. Instead, you can just click on the main weapon in the panel under the unit to disable it. This will make the unit's AI default to treating the ATGM as its main weapon and grant it full control of the turret. Obviously there are times where you'll want the main weapon enabled and firing, but it's handy to know you can disable it to make sure the ATGM works as it should.

>Playing US campaign
>Send a Bradley to capture an enemy supply dump
>It flips to me, but can't use it
>The Bradley now has infantry in it for some reason
>Unload it
>Two Mech. Inf jumps out

Huh

Should I buy it now or wait?

>>2073397
It's a fun game

It's not like it's about to go on sale nigguh

>>2073379
I really really really don't want to ever be sending expensive tanks into forests if I can help it. I run Armoured with Specops specifically so I can just sweep forests with my own infantry but generally if I couldn't clear a forest with inf I would rather just circumvent it.
>>2073375
I'm not sure how much the blast radius matters in practice for tank shells. But tank HE shells don't have any cover negation effect so both HEAT and HE perform the same vs infantry in buildings. IIRC cover is a %-based damage reduction but I don't recall the exact value for buildings.

Personally I don't think tanks are very efficient sources of anti-infantry damage. They're strong because they're good at beating vehicles and extremely hard to kill if micro'd well but a single autocannon on a 70-120 pts IFV will easily outdamage the main gun of a tank vs infantry and I usually bring some IFVs or some other specialized tool to sit behind my tanks and kill things.

>>2073405
>Armored/SOF king

Don't sleep on tanks in forests. Unless helos get within HMG range, they can't hit them, and they're a massive force multiplier in infantry fights. Your only real danger are suicide bombers, artillery or cruise missiles, but once that fight starts it's surprisingly effective to just smoke through your opposition and punch straight through their squads without stopping to kill them all. With some luck/timing, you can even break your tank through to run rampant in their backlines on some of the more forested maps, like airfield

I've been playing a couple matches with a Stryker + Marines deck and experimenting and refining it as I go. The basic idea is to just push with tanks in front and Strykers behind with the option to transition to airspam, and then the rest of the deck is just covering for situational stuff. Thoughts?
>Regular Strykers fully decked out
>ESV Strykers with no APS for when I'm only fighting tanks
>ACVs so I have some sort of cheap autocannon
>SHORAD with fletchers because they seem really, really good
>ATACMs because I'm testing using it alongside SEAD--results are mixed so far but I'll need another few games to figure it out
>F-35s with the bare minimum payload just to snipe backline targets in combination with SEAD
>F-18 with Mavericks for tank blobs
>F-16 with double 2k JDAMs for general CAS spam

>>2073401
I mean I will wait couple of years until it goes on sales
maybe they will add more contents into the game and fixed issue they might be having now by then?

Are mass para drops still viable?

>>2073519
lolno

>>2073519
Pretty much everyone knows to pay the air tax so paradrop openers are dead but most transport planes can NOE to hide from radar so sneaking a drop through at some point in the game can be possible as long as you're not too greedy.

>MANPAD team reloading at a supply dump
>enemy helo gets in range
>the very second they fire, the helo breaks LOS
>missile instantly nosedives and blows up the ammodump, and the manpad team

has anyone tried the bomber with 24 Cruise missiles at the beginning to hit their roads?

>>2073568
ammo dumps are dangerous

>>2073568
>trusting missiles

>>2073603
so im not the only who's had multiple friendly ABMs hit my shit?

I find I play a lot more conservatively than most players. Like, my KD is great, but I usually only have 2/3 or sometimes almost 1/2 of the destruction score of the top player (on my team). Am I dragging my team down or am I just playing different?

>>2073602
Its easy to slip into the mindset that you are safe from everything in the air in your little AA nest. I had to intentionally redo my decks and shift my mindset to bring a "less efficient" M-Shorad to deal with heli shit like that. Good lesson for both suides of that engagement.
I did mine with a commanche, I genuinely don't think they had any idea what happened because they let me do it 3 more times.

>>2073611
As long as you're not my teammates, you're golden

>match starts
>i'm the only one to buy an ASF
>3/5 players buy artillery first
>during the match I see a 360000+ supply dump
>the guy that deployed with me never actually moves his units, they just deployed and died where they stood
At least one of the artillery guys landed shots. He ended with like 9-1 k/d, but man, I could actively feel my alzheimers kick in

>>2073615
I usually sit in the back with AA and arty to support you and then sneak in a bunch of recon everywhere so we both can see what the fuck is going on. Then I spam pings when they try and sneak a bunch of helis through our flanks because I know my ass is grass is you don't respond.

>>2073621
One artillery chud is ... FINE. But ground needs to be taken, held and then pushed out. Artillery doesn't do that. All the artillery in the world can't help me hold on when I'm getting pushed by two people, when you could have units to support me.

But hey, whatever, as long as you're having fun.

>>2073582
I'm not sure if that is worth it
I've just been testing the timing for that against AI and it doesn't fire fast enough to expel the entirety of its bombload before being above the enemy spawn.
And that's ignoring the threat from enemy aircraft and AD.
The 16 of the B2 seem to already be a bit much to shoot in that time.

Wake me when they add China. I want to play China vs Russia.

>>2073611
Are you just kind of sitting around and not dying? You're probably dead weight
Are you actually moving forward and capturing multiple capture zones on the enemy's side of the map over the course of a game? Then you're probably carrying. Capture zones are extremely hard to take and extremely hard to take back once lost. Attacking is hard, defending is easy. If you take the whole 40 minutes to steadily take several zones without feeding and give your team a capture zone advantage then you're doing more than the guy with a 10k destruction score, even if the scoreboard doesn't generally reflect that. Attacking while preserving a positive k/d is the hardest thing you can do in this game and taking capture points matters without feeding matters a lot, because it means the other team has to win on destruction score to offset the territory disadvantage, with progressively less space to play with.

For the most part the person with the highest destruction score each match is going to be the one spamming artillery or planes. And while that's all well and good, somebody needs to play frontline and take ground or else those support players don't have anything to shoot at.

I'm beginning to wonder if nuke openings might be a possible option for russian stacks.
If you push a Tu-160 with afterburner at the ground spawn and release the nuke late it can overwhelm 2 SAMs. Will cost you the plane though.
On maps where there is only one ground spawn it can get spicy if one player throws out a nuke, another sends a TU-160 with ordinary cruise missiles, which release early to overwhelm the AD, and everyone else just spawns fighters.

This was just a test against 2 AIs because I was wondering how large the blast radius would be but even if a team only does 1/6th of the damage it's worth it.

>>2073226
you lost elo because you lost?

>>2073622
The way I see it, I do most the work and you get all the glory. I kill spot everything, I kill most things, you just have to rooll forward and take positions. In the meantime, you have relative security from bombing runs and gunship rushes.

>>2073648
Okay I take everything back, you're the bottom of the barrel pubbie mouthbreather, please uninstall

>>2073646
Ummm bro russia has overpowered AA this is a fake screenshot nothing can survive in the skies

>>2073650
Pretty sure that discussion was about s300s/patriots, but go off king

>>2073649
Only thing I'm trying to explain is I don't just spam arty because I know how useless that is. Sorry that got you all flustered.

>>2073649
>pubbie
Bro, we all are. No one in this thread is willing to group up and probably doesn't even have
Multiple of tried any all they get is silence.any
You're just throwing out insults that don't even make sense in the context.friends.

>>2073663
What the fuck did 4chan just do to my post, jesus fucking christ
>Bro, we all are. No one in this thread is willing to group up and probably doesn't even have any friends. Multiple people have tried and all they get is silence. You're just throwing out insults that don't even make sense in the context.

with teamates like these, who needs enemies
fr the entire match those 3 struggled to hold one point against their 3 while being closer to the air call ins
and i'm over here fighting a 1v2 bc other guy dcd early on
eventually had to rotate my army to their left flank otherwise be completely destroyed
not that it mattered
worst game so far

wish there was in game voice

>>2073671
>that pic
The more things change the more they stay the same.

>>2073671
>>2073676
so nothing has changed since the first beta?

>>2073622
Rear players are just a reality of a game like this. Arty and air are really fucking strong and take a lot of micro. In a game with limited income and limited units, someone's gonna focus on it and they're going to have a huge impact on the game because of it.

But they still need to have frontline units. This is the thing that confuses them. You can spam arty and MLRS but you still need to put some recon forward, set up a few ATGMs and watch a point so your frontliners can concentrate force. You don't need to babysit that frontline unless you're under heavy attack but if you are under attack your frontline should be strong enough to let your artillery do its work, otherwise you might as well not be in the game.

Same with airspam. There's a reason both airborne decks have an assload of ATGMs and weapon teams

>>2073681
Well certainly not in the quality of the average player.

Although I think that there are more around that will try to stick it out even if most of their team leaves.

>>2073682
there needs to be in game VC
i hate discord unless it's people i know

>>2073685
to coordinate roles

>lose a game by 2 victory points where 3 enemies deserted and we control 70% of the objectives because my team has a negative k/d
This is absurd. What the fuck is going on with this gamemode?

>>2073671
>with teamates like these
Then group up? Brick wall isn't gonna break if you slam your head into it just one more time.

>>2073685
Just ping shit. If your team's vagina is paying attention they'll blast what you ping

>>2073702
this was actually the first time i got really bad teamates

I see people (once again) voicing displeasure at bad teammates and how no one groups up.
I will once again ask how to set up a group and volunteer to put it together.

>>2073708
unironically taking a break rn
but when you create a lobby, on the left side u should see a share button
there's a url one and discord one
i haven't tried it yet

>>2073712
idk if those joining have to accept it in steam or not
post if it works that way

>>2073688
This game mode is retarded. It's like they couldn't decide whether they wanted domination or destruction, so they combined them.

>150 posts
>no one is talking about the story
WELL? is it any good

>>2073720
the story is better than the mission design and pacing by a lot
all the characters are well writen

>>2073716
it's not even combining them, it's the damn stage system

>>2073720
Its no Tiberian Sun, its more like an OG C&C. It does the job and a few of the characters have a few moments, but its fairly by the book

>>2073608
Why not shoot the supplies and get a doublekill...?

>>2073732
Maybe wants to capture them and resupply?

We ball (or try)
We will do whatever, just trying this out

>>2073712
Thanks

>>2073740
https://share.brokenarrowgame.tech/invite/ew0KICAicyI6ICJ7XHJcbiAgXCJJbnZpdGVUb2tlblwiOiBcIlxcXCJabWhyTTNNd1p6T1dFUWt3eGY0eGFoK01IOE9pM0NVQlJINklCbng5THpYT1FBUFN4dEhzZDlWQlVxQUdHczJWMXo1RzVxbnJ3NHZtcmV0TUMyNXJhTFBwQURvL1RTeUpWVzdvdndLdWQ4SXhrckUwYWZBT1k3RkQrVWkyd3pqekdZa09hMnJHcERocWsvTXFVZmFDdHlmYXE4ZFVzNzhEM0lBQU1jYitBV25ib0hjb1VaSHVMSmZTeEpPOTBFemlXRExsN0V5MlNpamdRZDZTeW1wQzlxOXd0YmIyZ3pGK1xcXCJcIlxyXG59IiwNCiAgImxuIjogIkNsb3ZlciIsDQogICJ1biI6ICJBcmF2YW4iLA0KICAidCI6IDE3NTA1NDI5MzkNCn0=

>and he forgets to paste the link

Jesus Christ is the Son of God, Who died for our sins and rose from the dead to give us the free gift of eternal life. He also promises to heal your body. You can ask Jesus for His gifts.

>>2073708
>>2073712
The game is fucking fatiguing to play once you get sweaty about it, and I think we're all mostly in our 30s. It'd unironically be best to set a day and a time to hang with the vros, I'd be down to FUCK

I don't know if /vst/ has spoilers maybe the devil's discord?

>>2073738
There's two separate artillery missions on the supplies.

>>2073720
>Comically evil US spook vs. glory seeking wardog with a heart of gold general
>Complete disregard for how military command actually works
At least that's the US line. And Europe is a massive pussy, which is a kick in the balls, but completely fair.

There's a mission where a single train wagon of Leopards gets carpet bombed, and they call it a significant portion of Germany's current stockpile. It actually made me laugh a little. Mostly in despair.

>>2073765
what pissed me off about that mission is such a load being so valuable didn't have Air defense waiting for them at the drop off point if it's so strategically/politically important

>>2073761
Its Saturday afternoon to early evening (burger hours). If there is no one on now willing to do it, then there just isn't enough people interested, period.
I don't in theory have an issue with Discord, but I've literally had the lobby open for half an hour and not a single person has joined.

>>2073762
"Allies" gonna ally.

Game looks cool but I'll be too busy to properly get into it for a while so I'll wait for a sale.
It's not going to drop 90% of players in a month is it?

>>2073770
It's half an hour past midnight, EU time.

It's grim, but yeah, I'm sure we could pull at least five anons together if we actually tried to organize.

>>2073770
>>2073774
im going to eat dinner, and if i feel up to it ill play in like 2 hours or so
https://discord.gg/Sv2ZYF5p
I made a discord if yall want to com and org, i dont want to manage shit though
i hate discord but it's what everyone has, but large discord groups are worse
bbl

>>2073780
Joined it. I'm drinking myself to sleep with shitty youtube videos by now, but get hype, anons crushing vatnik balls the dream is real

might want to add it to the OP, just to organize games with anon

no discord posting, delete all text channels except when lobbies are planned, no clique, no faggotry

>>2073743
Alright its been an hour, literally no one has even poked their head in. I'm leaving the lobby now so if you try to join I don't know what will happen (probably error message).

>>2073784
sorry, but i want to go eat taco bell and idk how long I'll be chilling with my burritos, nacho fries, and baja blast

>>2073793
id join if i played the game :^)

"Leopard"

I'm back
ill wait like 30min then ill just play and try again
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>>2073817
In case you were curious, it's just a clone of the vanilla SEPv2 but with all the machineguns replaced by MG3s.

>>2073815
Why are you here?

that was a good one

Was fun duder, thanks for playing with me.

>>2073859
np, all was routine till the ending nuke lol

>>2073862
Pretty sure they had tried a couple times before, but I hadn't moved my AA up enough and they slipped that one in.

Whats the point of Mechanized infantry when Guard Tanks gets all the better vehicles?

>>2073867
yeah i used mine to move our bubble up but that russian arty and mlrs got both of mine

>>2073870
BMPs, 2 more choices in aircraft, tunguska, strela, more inf choices, more and cheaper scouts

anyone else feel IFVs are harder to implement than other vehicles?

>>2073838
i like reading about various strategy games.

>>2073870
The two specs are basically clones of each other, except Mech generally gets inferior gear at a slightly cheaper price while Guards gets slightly better gear for a higher price.

Case and point: T-72 vs T-90. Note how for the same price, the 72 actually has a better gun. Mech has a lot of really cost-effective low cost units and I think people will warm to it over time as they feel it out. Right now it's just overshadowed by its fancier cousin.

>>2073896
*laughs in 850 kinetic armor*
How come Russian tanks are such gunlets?

>>2073896
30% ecm is nothing to sneeze at though

How do I get good with planes? It feels like my planes take forever to do bombing runs (circling multiple times) and when they do it never seems as strong as the ones I receive. I feel like I'm doing something wrong.

i havent bought the game and pirated it just to see the arsenal and tried deck building. i played some wargame long ago and the demo
what decks are nice

>>2073898
These are the shitter tanks. They cost as much as an IFV but you can bring like 6 of them so you use them to vibe check the flanks and force the other side to have credible AT everywhere. Against real tanks you just fish for side shots while something else presents a frontal threat. The RU side really has nothing that can actually duel US tanks frontally so having lots of cheaper things and being buggers with them is how they even the odds.

You should never use a tank that:
>Costs above 150
>Does NOT have APS
Either it needs to be cheap, or it needs to have APS.

>>2073902
Issue a bombing run while the plane is far away, that way it will line up without doing a circle.

>>2073909
this
only used Abrams if it had APS for a while
the one time I didn't it felt awful and lost more faster

The main thing preventing me from making a mechanized deck is that russia has such a shortage of good gun tanks. The Guards' T-90M and Armata are the only ones with a gun heavy enough to threaten heavy tanks (like a T-90M) frontally and they're both in the same spec. You can't take advantage of having lots of cheap tanks to flank and get a crossfire if there's nothing tough enough to stand up frontally first.
Coastal has the same issue with its T-80s. They aren't good enough to stand in the line of fire a trade hits, so they're basically relegated to infantry support unless you pair Coastal with Guards. But then Guards has all the tanks so it doesn't need Coastal's shitty T-80s at all and why am I even making a Guard + Coastal deck? Delete.

It feels like Mechanized is missing an elite tank that would make the spec make sense but the only partner you can get that elite tank from is the spec that doesn't want anything from Mechanized. I don't know how to square that circle.

Call me John Malka-vich.
Love the range of this banger.

>One guy on my team instantly leaves before the game even starts
>Another one leaves after the plane duel
>Game lost
>0.5 K/D stat added to your permanent record

>>2073926
Use ATGMs, quit trying to out tank the tank spec

>>2073935
just retreat your units and let them cap all

first time playing dedicated air and it's pretty chill

lol
lmao even

>>2073960
"dedicated air" doesn't work in high ELO games. You can't get any SEAD or cruise missiles through, any bombing run becomes a suicide mission and units are too dispersed for you to kill more than you lose.

>>2073974
it cooks

>>2073981
Bartek the Retard

>>2073148
>Would you send a wave of helicopters with no ground support?

>>2073978
i didn't only do air, more like my priority
then light inf on def, then supplying batteris, then helo support

>>2073974
>>2073981
This shit is overpowered and not balanced at all

>>2073998
Its not, people are just retarded. Is artillery overpowered if the enemy clusters their armor in the open?

>>2073998
I think the real problem here is that "bartek" neglected to buy any short range AA of any kind

>>2074001

Isn't the Derivatsiya short-ranger AAA?

>>2074008
kind of, aa missiles have longer range than a derivatsiya autocannon though especially if it has radar. I don't think a derivatsiya would win against an attack helicopter unless the derivatsiya was sitting in a forest and got the first shot off

>>2074001
just dealt with one and it took out my 2 Shorads

>>2074001
>Strela
>3 Derivatsiyas

>>2073985
this is STILL the most kino webm to come out of that boring war

>>2073927
Do you group up the Malkas to have them fire at the same targets and bring 3 or just 2?

>>2074015
Both easily out ranged. Not to mention this is obviously a spawn camp

>>2074049
Yea I run them as batteries of 2-3 with a supply cache nearby.
Harder to make them as effective against higher elo who will send planes after em.

How are Vikhr missiles better than Ataka missiles? The Vikhr missiles cost more, but they seem to have exactly the same stats.

>>2073985
VDV actually did a fine job that day.
>>2074001
Not that short. You have to remember that Apache D and E have fire and forget missiles, so if it sees you then within a few second you're going to eat a missile. Therefore, you're left with to choices: MANPADS or medium-range AA, like Tor. The former won't be targeted by those missiles and the latter will outrange it.

>>2074079
Vilkhrs shoot 2 missiles at once, Atakas only shoot 1 missile

>>2073902
controlling the planes feel like complete shit tbqh
in wargame you felt like fucking maverick doing maneuvers, killing shit while staying out of the AA range but here it feels like a coin toss every time

>>2074096
this desu
all cool plane shit feels purely coincedental

>>2074097
>>2074096
Familiarize yourselves with the hotkeys. Once your AMRAAM leaves the rails, afterburner and dive to the floor. Circle around, and hit the enemy jets when they lock onto something else.

Once your stealth bomber drops its load, afterburner and dive away.

When you pull off a sickass 1v2 air duel you feel like a king

>>2073896
>T-90 functionally the same as a T-72
Accurate.

>>2073909
There’s an argument for not having an APS on top tier tanks since it makes them far more expensive, and the only difference they have compared to takes one tier lower is that they can outduel those very tanks. Tanks one step down should be used for general purpose with APS, and your top tier tanks are better used to duel other tanks.

How do you counter Russian 30-armor helo spam?

>>2074103
That's retarded, since most Russian tanks use ATGMs.

>>2074105
It’s far better for a Russian tank to use its sabot against another tank than it is to use its atgm

>>2074105
>How do you counter Russian 30-armor helo spam?
MANPAD ambushes

SHORAD-M with hellfires

bomb them when they resupply

>>2074110
>Do MANPAD ambush on Russian 30 point helicopter spam
>Two helicopters versus 4 MANPADs
>Helicopters pop flares, 2/4 AA missiles for each squad miss
>They tank the rest of the missiles and then destroy the MANPAD squads with rockets
Four stingers should really be enough to take down any helicopter, but these flying tanks need like 5-6 to go down.

>>2074120
Yep. MANPADs and even SHORAD-Ms against a moderately attentive heliblob player are a deterrent at best, not a counter.

So load up that F18, hit the deck and afterburner in with those snakeyes.

>>2074105
>>2074120
Fight fire with fire.
SOF gives you access to cheap Little Birds, which can carry 4 Stingers, and you can take 4 of those helos. If you send 3 of them at helo of them then in worst case scenario you will at least blunt their offensive. Sure, you will always lose minimum one helo but they're so cheap it doesn't really matter. What worked for me was sending 2 Little Birds and 1 Comanche or Apache against helo spam. Little Birds eat missiles and damage the enemy while the heavier helo finishes the job.

>>2074105
>>2074120
Fight fire with fire.
SOF gives you access to cheap Little Birds, which can carry 4 Stingers, and you can take 4 of those helos. If you send 3 of them at helo wave, then in worst case scenario you will at least blunt their offensive. Sure, you will always lose minimum one helo, but they're so cheap it doesn't really matter. What worked for me was sending 2 Little Birds and 1 Comanche or Apache against helo spam. Little Birds eat missiles and damage the enemy while the heavier helo finishes the job.

Armata or T-90M?

Armata:
>more expensive
>slightly better armor and rounds
>access to top-attack missile
>faster reload

Is it really worth it for 70 more points?

EUfrens, we got a discord together to try and organize some team games with anons. Currently four guys, three muttoids and one europoor. >>2073780

We're not trying to start a shitcord clique, it's just a way to play together.

>>2074142
Armata is the only russian tank that can really duel the SEPv3. T90Ms are fine, but they will trade unfavourably with US elite tanks. The top-attack missile isn't worth it desu, any sort of tank that warrants a T14 is going to have APS and smoke. This is in a vacuum and an unrealistic scenario, a more legit take on it is to probe with T90Ms, and send in the armata to fight the toughest nut you come across.

>>2074144
y r u gae

>>2073978
Literal skill issue. Air is crazy strong even up to the highest (current) levels of play. If you watch any of the stacks currently dominating the top ~20 rankings they all put a tonne of emphasis on air control with at least 1 player running a deck tailored to it.

>>2074199
Air spam is such a bitch to counter with my current deck.
Im relying on 2 Buks for planes and they regularly get targeted, especially if i dare to touch the radar. And i dont like launching interceptors of my own, but i guess thats the only choice i have if my teammates arent keeping the net strong.

>>2072343 (OP)
>No Skirmish vs AI
>Can't save in campaigns
Are these nigs for real? This wouldn't even pass for an Early Access release.

>>2074199
>Air is crazy strong
In 500 ELO maybe. Once you get to the quadruple digits, nobody uses air anymore. Even the air tax is sometimes skipped entirely in favour of ground rushes.

>>2074105
The best way to counter massed helicopters is to mix different kids of SHORAD together.
MANPADS are stealthy and cannot be targeted by ATGMs, but they reload slowly (and thus kill slowly) and are vulnerable to rockets. The important thing for MANPADS is that they don't make enough noise to reveal themselves while firing, so if you position them well, enemy helicopters will take fire without being able to retaliate, and will need to swarm in the direction of the launch to actually find the source.
To supplement MANPADS, bring a SHORAD vehicle which has enough armour to negate rockets. That way rocket helos can't just swarm in and kill all your AD. The best options for the US are the Stryker SHORAD with 2x Stinger Pods, the Bradley SHORAD and the LAV-AD. Make sure to bring each with its available armour upgrade and turn their radar on, as radar greatly increases the range of their AA missiles. Avoid the AA humvee in Airborne, since its so lightly armoured that it dies to rockets and doesn't have radar, so it's basically all the same weaknesses of a MANPADS team.
The benefit to all these is that they have a magazine of 4, and will fire off their missiles rapidly one after another for very high anti-helo DPS. The Stryker and LAV-AD have two launchers, so they'll fire even faster

If you really want to make helos fuck off, add a 3rd layer with a stationary, pre-positioned MML using Sidewinders. The MML is lightly armoured and vulnerable to rockets but has more range than normal SHORAD and fires extremely fast with a magazine of 15 so it just murders helis super fast and they'll need to dive through your other 2 layers to reach it.

For the russians you don't need to think. Just bring the TOR. It's stupid how good the TOR is at killing helis. You just need one in range to cover your frontline (and a second in your deck in case the 1st dies) and it creates a no-fly zone. Just be careful it doesn't get SEADed because it sucks at missile interception.

>>2074050
Nah this wasn't a spawn camp, at least mine with all the BMP-1s wasn't. It was just pushes on I and B on Suwalki Gap that I shut down. I've also had kill lists on higher value targets like that other anon too.

>>2074050
I wouldn't say easily outranged but I think by 1-200m. The strela actually was in range and missed twice before dying simultaneously with the T-72 that was next to it. I think the problem more so is that people are just unaware that if you see a guardian it likely means 16x 2000m F&F ATGMs

>>2074142
Both. T-90Ms are affordable and have the firepower to fight most US tanks head on. Their your main frontline asset. However, the 90M gets shat on by the Abrams SEPv3 (or the Armata). The extra KE armour and pen on the Armata allows it to face the top-tier tanks frontally. The Armata won't win against the SEP, but it forces it to take the gunfight, which means you have time to bring in a helicopter or plane or flank it with your cheaper tanks and hit its side armour. Without the Armata to present that frontal threat the V3s will just roll through you, but you don't always need the Armata because only US Armoured and RU Guards have tanks heavy enough to require it.

lol

>>2074216
Why are leavers so fucking common? The second anything doesn't go their way, people just leave and cost (me) my MMR.

>>2072343 (OP)
Stop using nonsense acronyms like people know or care what they mean. Speak like a big boy. We don't type at each other when speaking kiddo, you have to take a second and enunciate the words you little faggot.

>>2074205
Oh and I'll add: the armour on helis doesn't actually matter. It mostly affects the damage they take from direct-fire small arms. All AA missiles have like 80+ penetration to their 30 armour so they're dealing over 90% of their damage through it. The difference between 10 and 30 armour isn't even an extra shot from a stinger.
For the record, it takes 2 direct hits from a stinger to kill a Ka-52. However, AA missiles can deal variable damage because if they 'miss' they have a chance to trigger a proxy fuse detonation, which will deal partial damage in an AoE, with the damage diminishing outwards. So basically a lot of times that you actually missed, you'll still roll a bit of token damage to soften the impact of RNG.

The reason helicopters can be deceptively difficult to kill is that ECM has a multiplicative effect on the evasion chance generated by flares and all the high-tier helicopters from both factions have at least 15% ECM. The Ka-52 (and Mi-35M with jammer upgrade) uniquely has 25% ECM, which makes it the most durable helicopter on average. So the best solution is just to make sure you have volume of fire instead of relying purely on MANPADs.

>>2074205
>Stryker SHORAD with 2x Stinger Pods
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think I’ve seen the Stinger and Hellfire loadout fire both missiles at the same time, which can just one-tap a chopper if both it.

>>2074226
MAN
PORTABLE
AIR
DEFENSE
SYSTEM

SHORT
RANGE
AIR
DEFENSE


SUPPRESSION
OF
ENEMY
AIR
DEFENSE

ELECTRONIC
COUNTER
MEASURE


google this shit nigga goddamn

>>2074233
I think it technically does but I've had some poor results with the AA hellfires and I don't know if it's just bad luck or if they have a tendency to miss more often or if I've just had bad luck.

>>2074225
I am pretty sure it was a server issue, because they all left suddenly and only one guy reconnected.
Nevertheless, that 1v1 turned out to be quite fun.

>>2074226
based retard

Hey guys, could you tell me if its worth starting to play this game as a noob? How's the multiplayer doing? I bought it, spent some time building a deck, then spent about 20 minutes just to find a lobby where i wouldnt get kicked because of my rating, and we won one 5v5 match. After that, i refunded it. Now im wondering how long this game will last. I already bought Men of War 2, and its online died within a month. I dont want such a foolish repetition

>>2074276
In the upper left corner, you have a button for automatic matchmaker, Quick Match. That way you're going to play with people at your level.
>Now im wondering how long this game will last.
I don't know the future, but MoW2 failed because it had an awful launch and it tried to alienate its own audience. People who liked this franchise either continue playing Assault Squad 2 or Gates of Hell.
In case of BA, this game seems to be a mix of Wargame and World in Conflict. I thought it would be some sort of direct competition to Warno, but on the release day it had 10 times higher playercount than Warno ever did. The multiplayer is solid, so unless devs really fuck it up, the game should stay active for some time.

please anons make some cool webms

>>2074297
there are some webms in the thread already

>>2074297
This is the only one I made. Game needs a replay feature, I never really zoom in because zooming in looking for cool shit takes 2 minutes I could be spending microing infantry through the forests or running away from a AH64 Guardian

kek

Phase 1 is irrelevant. Fuck air tax bullshit

What are the gameplay rules of the different seeker types (f&F, semi-active, terminal guidance, etc)?

>>2074341
>>2074344
"Air tax" is not about getting destruction, its about having early air control so you can land your helos of men without they being shot down and costing you (or your teammates a bundle), it also helps so you can have a drone up and see what they are doing. Its a teamgame.

Is the Guardian worth it over the Longbow? Its 50 more points for 200m range.

>>2074358
The first 15 minutes of the game dont matter, just bring in another 400 points of ground units instead of planes.
>but the enemy will get forward positions with their helos!
You have 30 minutes until phase 2 ends to push them off it with superior numbers since they spend a big chunk of their starting points on planes and helicopters.

>>2074363
You lose more points by having helos full of troops dying than they do expending munitions (and refunding their planes). Meanwhile, they have recon on you and have defensive positions. How can you not see this as an issue?

>>2074372
Anon, when he said ground troops he didn't mean helos.

>>2074375
Not every spec has that option (at least not efficiently). In which case you would have to cart troops up in lightly armored transports that would be begging to get decimated or walk through forests on foot taking forever. Its becoming reidiculous that you (all) cannot even concede any of the points.

>>2074391
>reidiculous
Okay, that was a fun one

Untested Zigger deck

The thought is to keep pushing forward cheap infantry supported by T80s to reveal enemy positions, then destroy infantry-based ones with LMURs, vehicle-based ones with QRF T90s/Armata

Cluster Koalitsaya to hit enemy cargo dumps/support equipment, extended-range TOR to suppress forests/urban buildings with confirmed infantry in them before a push

Sosna up front to cover the tanks, TOR further back for cruise missile attacks. Downside is I only have radars on the TORs, so if they can't stop any SEAD attack on themselves, they're probably dead unless I see it coming

Alligator to counter enemy armor pushes

SU57 for total SAM death

Weaknesses is no long-range SAM defense, poor quality infantry, no MLRS, no bombing capability. It's a grinding attrition deck that's only good at pushing the front

>>2074418
>extended-range TOR
Extended-range TOS

>>2074418
Looks pretty cool. But do you need that many supply trucks? I would lose a few and try and squeeze in another sosna. Someone that has a lot of air or helos is gonna eat you some day. Even just a bad fluke and most of your AA is on cooldown and then you are toast.

>>2074363
Why don't the first 15 minutes matter?

>>2074428
>supply trucks

I know, it's overkill, but that was kinda how the deck math worked out. Either I remove too many trucks to fit something useful, or I remove some trucks just to add some random garbage i don't really need

>>2074429
Its a point cope. Someone early on suggested to just do nothing for the first 30-35 minutes and then deploy everything and zerg the map in the last 10 to secure all the zones and destruction points.

>>2074439
>let's play NR20
Gay

>>2074438
>add some random garbage i don't really need
The day you are just getting camped by air, remember me and thank fondly of this day.

>>2074443
ok

https://share.brokenarrowgame.tech/invite/ew0KICAicyI6ICJ7XHJcbiAgXCJJbnZpdGVUb2tlblwiOiBcIlxcXCJabWhyTTNNd1p6Tmlla0Y2TGhRaFFlcDVjbFZ1VE9VK1o4WUJrMmxaS3RUR1hpekFqVzRVM0JRRWljRXVrTmJnQll5bTlNd1k5TGRwQkp4eDU3d2lRcVBCOVNJUklHUUF6eFQvdjFXdzQxWCs0YVdFbFRITGt6SHlBTTh1TExEd1hVb2FBSWtPblZIVmo2NTlFTWgvMU9qa0E2bXh6ZDM1eGx0dGtBZ3lhZ2FZS2llNFNEbnE4NE5WWUpQYm85V21tQVhyUHVRVUQ2WXE0NnpnVGhBRlVDZURvNVpyMnRxdVxcXCJcIlxyXG59IiwNCiAgImxuIjogIkZqZWxsa25hdXMncyBsb2JieSIsDQogICJ1biI6ICJGamVsbGtuYXVzIiwNCiAgInQiOiAxNzUwNjE4NDA0DQp9

Haha what if we broke some arrows together

>>2074462
4/5

>>2074352
As far as I can tell:
F&F
>only needs LoS by the unit when shot
>does it's own thing afterwards
>missile itself can still lose LoS from smoke
Semi-active
>needs constant LoS by the unit until it hits
>can be switched to another target if it loses LoS/target is destroyed
Terminal Guidance
>gets guided by its unit if it has LoS
>can switch targets if unit still has LoS
>goes "pitbull" if unit loses LoS/is destroyed while the missile still can see the target
>pitbull acts like F&F
I'm not certain about these, there is no official information on these.

>>2074487
Thanks

How do phases work?

>>2074462
>>2074484
Are you still playing, and have slots?

>anons playing together
so jelly

>>2074510
You only get points at the end of the phase. Thing get worth more points in each phase, so there is always a chance of a comeback if you are losing.

If your ELO is under 500 dont even bother joining my lobby.

the deckbuilding is insane

lol

no idea what im doing, but im having success with this deck

>>2074545
*smerches*

Wtf I love HIMARS and people standing still.

>>2074583
Must’ve been that time

Tu-22 with big missile very funny

The price of SEAD should be reduced. Or longe range AA price should be increased

If I alt f4 the moment I see it is a mirror match in the map vote screen, will it still count towards my drop rate

nevermind I just quit I dont like mirror matches

>>2074462
Four games, zero losses

Total vatnik genocide, every cruise missile spammer must fucking hang

>>2074511
We were full up. There's a discord link further up, that's where we organize the lads

>>2074083
>VDV actually did a fine job that day.
emphasis on that day

>>2074618
We must become the Cruise missle spamming Ziggers howeverbeit.

>>2074533
>he fell for the motostreki

>>2074602
If you create a lobby and then queue there's an option to disable mirror matches. You can close the open slots but idk if it lets a solo queue this way, I've always done it with at least 2 people.

>>2074632
But they lost ...

>>2074640
We become better than filthy P*bbies

love this little guy

>>2074632
I have considered making some kind of unholy retard deck comprised of VDV + Coastal and just spending the entire game shooting cruise and ballistic missiles. Probably not a good idea but funny to think about.

>>2074648
On the other hand, Russian SEAD is so anaemic. I sent like 3 waves of 2 Su-24s and that's the only kill they scored. If I was playing anything with Marines, I could send 3 Prowlers and completely annihilate enemy air defenses in one go.

>>2074648
TOTAL TOR LOVE! PQTRIOTS ARE IN CONTROL OF STEEL BALALAIKA
>>2074649
I had a couple decks for it but I'm too comfy with Guards Moto Myself.

>>2074640
Ah but losing is fun.
In all seriousness though, seeing such big plays fail is hilarious.
Yesterday I had an enemy team nuke our ground spawn while doing an air drop on one flank with some ASF support.
>mfw everyone on the team only spawned helos which come in from the side
Shooting down the transport was the cherry on top.

Was it a good idea to allow mirror matches?

Is there a plot to the campaing or is it just random missions slapped together?

>>2074660
There is a plot for each of the sides, ending slides also depend on a certain couple of choices at the end of each campaign too.

>>2074659
I honestly don't mind them at all.
Doesn't hurt that they cut down on matchmaking time.

>>2074659
I guess, simulating civil war is fun.

>join lobby with twice my ELO
>waves of rangers dying trying to take commie blocks on objective
>every time I enter the point armored convoy of enemies comes and rapes me off of it
>or the absurd amount of enemy arty
>still have some fun fights even though I lost them all
>AH64 Guardian and Comanches saved my ass from multiple armored pushes after my infantry got wiped out
>winning the first 2 phases solely off destruction score while enemy has zones
>last 5 minutes
>enemy does a mass push onto another anons zone to try and snag +3 score from zone control which would win the game for them.
>too close to friendly tanks to use my HIMARS cluster
>Guardian on attack move wants to fire at infantry instead of armor
>he still holds on anyways and we barely win
good game anons, I liked it.The difference in quality between ~500 and ~700 ELO is very noticeable sweet lord the people in that game were much more difficult to dislodge.
And I learned a good amount just from that one game with much better players.

>>2074659
Not in quick play.

So you can mirror match but you can't have mixed teams, right?

>>2074677
those guys were better than every team we faced as a 5 stack
the second i saw the small column and the score i rushed all my vehicles over there
nearly lost 2 abrams to that carpet bomb, i couldn't have held if i lost them there

>>2074687
I haven't theorycrafted it but it probably could lead to some unbalanced (overpowered) scenarios. The nations are balanced respective to themselves, not across.

>>2074687
you can mix for skirmish
at least human side

>>2074698
SU-57s covered by F-22s sounds like aids

>>2074703
How about US stealth drones but Russian Arty? Like I said, I haven't theorycrafted it but its not hard to imagine scenarios that lead to some pretty powerful setups.

>>2074698
Also RU has some cheap radar aa (Shilka, it's not called that in game though, probably an updated version) units that they can bring in bulk to cover patriots

i think the hardest part is saving up enough for a push while also making sure I don't leave too big of gaps in the line

>>2074708
PIVADs is the superior frontline AA shield and s300 is the better AA platform

>>2074711
This is why recon is important and people often neglect it. With recon you can use fire support to blunt or turn back an assault and see where you don't need as many forces. It also lets you sniff out flank pushes that can be very costly.

Mavericks are just as bad as cluster bombs on planes. The plane gets shot down and you dont kill shit

Should I use 4 ammo Rangers Stinger for the 2000 meter range or Troopers AA with only 1800 meter range but they have 6 ammo

>>2074753
>Rangers
Longer range
Cheaper
Secondaries have longer range (minor)
More armor (minor)

>Troopers
Grenade launchers (moderate if they routinely get into gunfights, minor otherwise)
50% more missile (6 vs 4)

>Toss up
Size: Troopers are bigger which means more health and less loss of effectiveness if they take damage (Rangers are FUCKED if someone gets the drop on them). That said, Rangers are easier to transport (seats/weight) and take up less room in buildings if you want to stack.

>>2074708
"Biryusa", all Soviet/Russian "Shilka"s were supposedly upgraded to M3 "Biryusa" standard which included IFF and I think slightly better radar.
You can actually get "Shilka"s (or at least something named after them), you just need to downgrade because by standard they come as "Biryusa". It's actually weird because the downgrade you get is removing the radar, variant which IIRC was supposed to be called "Afghanski", as they were "Shilka"s made for direct ground fire support in Afghanistan, where they coated hillside villages with 23mm HE and to make sure some poor goatfucker with a Lee-Enfield didn't dent the radar it was removed and replaced with more ammo.
There's also "Strelets" upgrade which is either a made-up name or obscure one, but it's basically a "Biryusa" with four MANPADs welded to the roof.

>>2074753
>>2074757
Oh also, the attached vehicles can sometimes play a factor but I find that seems to matter more for Russia.

>>2074341
>game comes out
>peopel don't understand the air tax
>they push to stop paying it
I can't wait for the mass airdrop meta to return and for you retards to learn the hard way why you pay the air tax

>>2074418
You have too many transports. You're never going to buy all the infantry in your deck, so you don't need a transport for all of them. Focus on fewer, more expensive transports that are more combat effective to fight alongside your tanks, rather than having a 5-man coffin for every squad. If needed you can just bring in new infantry in helicopters, drop them just behind the front and walk them in. Hell, even your logi trucks can ferry soldiers for you.

You need a long range SAM unit or else you'll get shat on by planes. SAMs are non optional. Bring one to deploy and a second copy to replace the first in case it gets seaded.
TORs are terrible at intercepting missiles but are godlike at anti-helo work, probably the best in the game.

The Mikhaylch with 8 LMURs is the best helicopter in the game. Bring 2. The missiles can target vehicles and are top-attack, so they oneshot most vehicles (including basically every SHORAD unit). They're broken. Bring Alligators as just rocket spam platforms for anti-infantry work, because your LMURs will do all the vehicle killing for you.

I don't know why 2/3 of your air tab is SEAD when you have 3 fucking planes. You're a tank deck, you're not going to be spending points on planes. Just bring a cheap fighter to pay the air tax and a cheap throwaway CAS plane you can suicide to remove an annoying thing on the map. Anything more is taking away points you'd rather spend on tank.

>>2074757
I would go AA Troopers + Ranger Grenalde Launchers
AA Troopers have 3 more bodies so it takes a lot more rocket ammo to kill them and makes it less likely a 150pt gunship is going to fly in, kill all your manpads with rockets and then fuck off.

Ranger Grenade Launchers can attack helicopters, and do hilariously high DPS to them since they ignore flares/ECM. On top of the usual shit that grenade launchers are good at, you can keep one close to your AA Troopers and any heli that tries to dive on them to dump rockets gets chewed by the grenade launcher while the beefy trooper squad tanks.

>>2074363
>You have 30 minutes until phase 2 ends to push them off it with superior numbers since they spend a big chunk of their starting points on planes and helicopters.
Defensive advantage more than makes up for it against 95% of players. The planes and helis will refund themselves.
Your losses to ambushes don't get refunded.

Does recon matter inside a forest? Or is everything limited to pretty much 100m vision?
Just wondering if I should clear forests with recon or elite infantry

Replays when

>>2074776
I'm sketchy on the exact math
But basically vision range is divided by a unit's stealth value.
Forests reduce it further.

High stealth/vision units will see other units before they're seen. It's particularly noticable with snipers and vehicles, snipers should easily be able to see and dodge vehicles moving through woods.
Recon tanks can manage to get first shots on standard tanks pushing them etc.

>>2074677
When shit gets down to brass tacks you can click on the non-ATGM weapons of your Guardian to disable them, and make sure that it ONLY wants to look at things it can dump missiles on.

Helicopter AI has always been fucked you kind of need to do this anyways to keep them from getting distracted or trying to fly on top of things instead of sniping them.
>>2074776
Recon matters. Forests double the stealth value of infantry standing in them and trees have this sort of weird thing where you can see through them, but they stack to reduce your vision range progressively until it essentially becomes opaque. The greater your optics, the further you can see through forests and the better you are at finding stealthy units hidden in them.

However the best units for locating units hidden in forests are drones and high-optics helicopters. The bird's-eye view bypasses the obstruction effect from trees and their high optics will easily pierce stealth. If you're cleaning your backline, use a drone or heli. If you're pushing a contested forest, push with fighting recon like RRC or Spetznaz backed by beefier CQC squads.

>>2074753
Troopers so you can change the Ranger loadout to Javelins and bring some of those as well

>>2074775
This basically. A lot of people get wrong idea because there's like 30k people in matchmaking and only a tiny fraction of them have looked up or trial&error'd enough to have a clue. Being able to forward deploy infantry in helicopters at the start of the match doesn't just mean that you get a zone early, it means that a natural barrier like a forest or tight urban block standing between you and the rest of the map is now crawling with virtually unspottable GRU or Ranger MAAWS that will jumpscare and touch-of-death vehicles trying to pass through and now you have to spend the whole match grinding through terrain your deck isn't built to fight in against an opponent built specifically to fuck you here just so you can contest the three capture zones that should have been your naturals but now you're zoned off of.

Obviously when you A-move tanks and infantry at each other the tanks win but as players learn to press other buttons and actually start microing things you realize just how difficult and complicated those fights become.

>>2074787
Crazy to see people call this shit irrelevant when it was important in the first(?) big multiplayer beta. When we had no phases and owning more zones at the end was the way to win(Or cap every point for the instant sudden death win).

>>2074775
>gif
The best part is the other guys sitting there just completely unfazed by the events.

how good is the Booker?

>>2074781
>push with fighting recon like RRC
I do this all the time (just make sure they are using the close quarters loadout). They are relatively cheap, can kill isolated infantry and light vehicles, and have decent vision/stealth.
Move through the forest and if they spot something, sprint on top of it and open fire. You either get a kill or locate a nest of enemies that you can call a barrage down on while your RRC are still dying (and the opponent is distracted and not moving away).

SOF should have a Green Light Team

>>2074793
Its a decent/cheap infantry clearer in the downgraded form for an armor heavy deck and a decent mainline tank when upgraded in an armor light deck. Its okay and just generally the best option you have in an "off-spec" capability. Its honestly in this weird middle area where it doesn't really excel at anything and isn't really cheap either. Its not fast, its armor is not great, its cannon is passing sometimes, and its range is kinda shit.
In short, there is not much to recommend it other then that there is nothing better.

>>2074796
Not really the time period for it. Broken Arrow seems more GWoT and green light is end of Cold War.

I need to refine it but this has been working well for me so far.
90% of my matches are vs Stryker+SpecOps. Or Marines+Something. So built with winning the infantry war and dealing with light vehicles in mind.

BRM-1K was because I thought it'd be funny, but it's rounds are interceptable by APS so its effectively useless.
Infantry tab I'm pretty happy with, hasn't particularly let me down yet.
Vehicle tab is a shitpost, the only things I use are the T-72B3Ms, but I don't see any other options of value to have in there.
SUP section I feel the most meh on, I've used the Tulpan a bit and it seems OK. But I just never seem to bring it unless I force myself to, and it doesn't do that much. Don't know what else to do with the SUP points though.
Helis I'm happy with, MI-28 is for LMUR, KA-52 is for VIKHR. MI-8s and MI-26 bus most of my squads.
Air, I suck ass at setting up planes but it's worked.
SU-34 is cluster + incendiary, can wipe out any clumped tanks and or infantry easily. SU-57 is AGMs(Forget what they're called they work like mavericks) for rapid destruction of tanks, mostly use him to support allies that start to waver under tank pushes.
SU-30SM have KH-38s, they're cruise missiles that can't be shot down. Been struggling to get any value out of him though, need to drop him for something else. The missiles just struggle to kill anyting and he gets himself killed firing them.

>>2074804
Make them 500 points and have a smaller nuke than the plane based nukes
Give the russians a nuclear ballistic missile launcher so they get something besides plane based nukes too

>have ingenery shturmoviki shields in a building
>enemy inf storm the building
welcome to the flash zone

>>2074806
If you want to win the inf war you want flashes and a heavy taxi to dump the squads into enemy buildings with. So like SSO w/ APS Bumerangs or Ingenery w/ T-15 APS (and smoke too depending on your opponent's skill). Once they're in the building they melt the enemies. I think Guards+Moto would be best for your goal because you can also bring napalm Grads and TOS-1s in that deck. Also the moto spetsnaz w/ the rpg-only loadout fuck tanks up. Coastal+Moto is great too

But if you're deadset on VDV/Mech:
I don't like bringing more than 2 manpads at most
If you want to win the infantry war I wouldn't bring VDV DSh. The squads are so small they have 25 HP. Shturmoviki have 35 HP and more armor (10)
Buk being your best AA is meh, some games my S-300/350/400/Patriots get me like a quarter of my kill points. Might not matter tho if you aren't queueing solo
More AA than I usually bring, which is like 2 long range, 2-3 shorad, and maybe 1-2 others like an OSA. 10 Strela seem like a lot. Also more supply trucks than I think you need since you also have helos. I'd just keep 2 between the 6 Kamaz/PTS and bring more arty

>>2074819
>10 strela
meant 4

also for anti-inf spetsnav VMF have a loadout w/ 2 .50 cal snipers.

>4 fucking mirror matches in a row
ENOUGH
TAKE FUCKING MIRROR MATCHES OUT OF QUICKPLAY

>>2074803
what if you specced in a spec with better tanks but also took this tank?
weird idea but whatever, i've no clue

>>2074843
>Its a decent/cheap infantry clearer in the downgraded form for an armor heavy deck

>>2074083
>VDV actually did a fine job that day.
if dying counts as a fine job, sure

Infantry should get a cover bonus in forests, and the cover bonus in buildings should be increased even more

>>2074901
Only if you make artillery more deadly to infantry in buildings.

>>2074821
>no diversanty
oh shit nigger what are you doing
>GRU with K-17
drop the K-17 on the GRU because you have SEVEN of them. you'll never call that many in.
>CQC SSO
you have your chernye berety for CQC and pushing. get standoff on those SSO, and watch the enemy infantry and light vehicles weep.
>Get more BTR-1F's or whatever the fuck they are. Get the AP-23 and ERA on those because 14 slots is awesome for transport
>drop the kornet-m's and Metii and get Konkurs-M
you rarely get to use that 1800m range. besides, getting 4x ATGM for 60 points each for 1600m and 750mm pen is more than enough. trust.
>drop the GL for the SPG-9
SPG-9 is the coastal deck infantry tab gimmick. double stack them. excellent light vehicle killers and anti-inf fire support. a bit squishy, sure, but place them down smartly
>Tornado cluster
I've found this choice to be really odd. every time I had those loaded up, I've always found more infantry targets to kill rather than try to find enemy support assets to target. their HE splash and damage is so insane that clusters have almost no tangible upsides. get GUIDED HE, and try it out. you delete entire grids with it.
>drop one apartment buster and get Strelas on those ZSU's. alternatively, get an S-350 and babysit it.
>one more OSA
>Magnolia over the Nona
the magazine depth alone makes it criminal for suppressing frontlines. grab the cluster if you can, especially to snipe spotted vehicles. better yet, utilize the guided rounds
>2 beregs. one is none, two is a potent battery
>dont sleep on the recon Mi-24K. zerg rush common heli land points and obliterate everything. the Yak-B 12.7 minigun is insane
>that said, Mi-24V
>stop sleeping on the bomber su-24. load retarded FAB-500's, go low altitude, and bomb run with impunity.
have fun anon.

>>2074943
>diversanty
thats in armored not VMF/Moto. My armor/moto deck has 4 lol

I'm pretty sure flashs stun enemy infantry, thats why you melt them when you storm a building. SSO have stuns cherny don't.

Yea metis is pretty bad, 800m range oof. I already edited this and dropped them. interesting thought on the kornets tho. I also already added SPGs to this deck too

The rest I'll have to consider too. Tornado cluster does get me plenty of kills though.

>>2074948
>diversanty
nevermind im retarded. idk the point of the those 4 man teams, just great stealth/recon?

First one, still trying to figure out how stuff works.

First one.

>>2074950
They're a 4-man squad with 2k recon and 3 stealth. they mince other squads with 3 stealth because of their weaponry. put them in a highrise or a good bush, and LASE. lasing goes VERY far. you can even lase buildings. and lasing choppers to kill them with guided mortars is always super funny. the stealth and recon values also makes them able to spot 1750 recon and 2.5 stealth infantry before they see you, even in forests and buildings.

>forgot to mention the BMP-3F
no aps, but 30% ECM. their 100mm HE cannon is retardedly deadly to infantry.

>SSO for building storming and clearing
go and check the weapon stats on the Chernye Berety. They come equipped with AN-94's - the only infantry rifle with 3 (THREE) damage up to 400m! you won't run into US elites without them being softened up first, or at least aware of their position. sure you lose the flashbangs, but the rsgh-1's are more than enough. i don't have the right to tell you how to play, but at least take the standoff SSO's for a spin once.

How the fuck do I make the F35 drop both its JDAMS at the same target

>Queue waypoint, drop target, exfil route
>it drops a single JDAM
>FUCK
>wheel it around to drop the second
>it gets shot down as by now it's out of flares

>>2074967
you have to press P twice, once for each bomb

>>2074952
you don't need a 1 to 1 of transports and inf unless you plan to fight with them
i use 2 inf per transport, but as long as it's more efficient

>>2074970
doesn't shift clicking work?

>>2074987
yes kinda
the only downside is that it will be put after existing orders.
so if you have a move order on the target followed by shit P bombing, it will fly there and then turn to make an attack run instead of just doing an attack

if you can't win against AI on equal footing and win, you're not good enough for PvP MP.

>>2075020
>playing against AI
>minor victory

infantry needs serious buffs all along the board
more ammo for AT and AA, more health and better surviveability in buildings

What are the advantages of Tor over Tunguska/Pantsir?

>>2075083
Tor can engage more targets at once (4 vs 2), so it's great for defending against cruise missiles or helo spam. That's how it saved my ass during one game, because the enemy was really desperate to capture the point and a single Tor destroyed cruise missiles and then a whole helo wave. Maybe Pantsir could do the same, but I'm not sure.
The low range means that you must keep this kind of AA near the frontline, if you want it to actually do something, and that makes it vulnerable. That's where Tunguska has an advantage, because it has a bit more range and autocannons.
I guess that you're running Guards/Mech deck, right? You can use Tor in one game and see how it works out for you.

>>2075083
Better range vs airliners

>>2075024
the AI cheats so much resource wise it's like playing the Korean war as the UN/US force where the only thing you can do is stack bodies till you "win"

>>2075083
Tor1
>multi target 2
>can shoot missiles
>better range than Tunguska
>a bit cheaper
>ca. 2x the explosive radius which means better damage at near misses
>1 point extra damage over Tunguska
>takes minimally more resupply than base Tunguska
Tor2
>doubles amount of missiles
>multi target 4
>+50m range vs
>slightly increased resupply cost

base Tunguska:
>no multi targeting
>gun has potential to melt helos due to dps and ignoring chaff
>gun can shoot down missiles which is technically more ammo efficient but also has worse range
>doesn't hit missiles as well either I think
>can defend itself against infantry but not very good
>has smoke
M1
>almost Tor range for the missiles
>multi targeting 2
>missiles can shoot down missiles
>same resupply cost as Tor1
Pantsir:
>still multi target 2
>1 point more damage than Tor
>12 instead of 8 missiles
>same resupply cost as Tor2

I'd say the Tunguska is more of a dedicated helo killer while the Tor is just cheap general purpose AD.
1v1 a Tunguska will kill a helicopter faster than the Tor but when multiple helos show up the Tor can deal wiht it better.

Just finished my first match, the game really needs more time in the oven. Feels like an alpha release desu. Its very different from WGRD plays similar to WiC and Warno. I wish some company just makes a direct sequel to WGRD its still unmatched up to this date.

>>2075133
>needs more time in the oven
Anything specific? Or just general buggyness/server issue etc.?

>>2075138
The effects look and feel undercooked, the responsiveness when moving units needs more work, using planes needs more work too, the UI, general feel, etc. Also make it so the IMPORTANT info of units are easily readable like in WGRD. WiC graphics feel and look a lot better! Kinda crazy desu. It all feels very floaty and not punchy like WGRD or WiC. WiC feels punchy and responsive in contrast to BA. I love the editor though, its unique and works well :) maybe some balances in the future.

>>2074819
>If you want to win the inf war you want flashes and a heavy taxi to dump the squads into enemy buildings with.
I'm not a fan of the breach and clear method, especially against people spamming other high tier infantry, and people that aren't mouth breathers have stuff to put supportive fire into the building to help cover their guys. A single ognemetchiki team can push an infinite amount of marine raiders or delta force out of a building for 50 points.

>10 Strela seem like a lot.
Cheap spam to cover open space that commanches and such try to get through. Most players I get in a team with never cover their backline with anti-heli AA.
>Also more supply trucks than I think you need since you also have helos.
Supply trucks bus in a lot of troops as well as supplies. Helis can have a hard time dropping my guys off anywhere useful if the enemy has a couple radar on SHORADs to lockdown the whole postalcode.

Artillery I'm not sure what I would want from the options VDV+Mech get, the Tulpan I never manage to get value out of. Not a single piece has guided shells for sniping backline assets off.

>>2074803
>>2075142
I killed multiple T-90s with inf support using it :) just move in and shoot at their backs!!

>>2075142
interdasting, I wouldn't even notice half of that,thanks

>use troops to hold a zone in buildings
>they get deleted with mass artillery and bomb salvod from out of nowhere and theres nothing you can realistically do to stop it

I think there needs to be a 'run to underground shelter' command to minimize troop losses for those situations.
You would still incur losses and lose the ability to shoot at enemies to retain favor to the attacker, but not just wipe out your men for free with one salvo. If it was that easy irl city assaults would have been 2 week operations.

>>2075219
>and theres nothing you can realistically do to stop it

Have you tried moving to a different building after being spotted

>>2075220
Troops take too long to move around. Plus its easy to spam an entire zone with heavy munitions.

>>2075225
Firing artillery isn't free, and can be countered. Your counter-battery? MLRS? Strike bombers? Allies? If you're getting your shit pushed in, they should be expending more beating your shit up than your allies, and you can ask them for support.

Don't be helpless and ask for buffs that aren't needed just because you don't know what to do.

should I skip airforce?
feel like they are just AA foods

>>2074953
First: you can bring any squad in your deck inside any transport in your deck. Each individual squad doesn't need its own set of transports, it can take anything from the pool.

Second: the basic rule of thumb with deckbuilding is "enough but not too much"
You can at maximum have less than half of your deck deployed before your income literally becomes 0, but more likely you'll only have a fraction of that deployed. Think realistically about how much infantry you're actually going to have on the field as a deck with the best tanks available. Probably not that much, right? You'll be spending most of your income on expensive tanks.
You basically only ever want enough of a thing to cover all that you'd actually deploy of it, plus a little extra as replacements in case those take losses. The more expensive a thing the fewer replacements you probably need, because if you're letting expensive units die you're probably just going to get steamrolled before you can afford to replace them anyways.

The big mistake people make while deckbuilding is taking too much of something, thinking that they'll spam it out, then realizing they can't afford to spam it and they've just got a million copies of a unit they don't want rather than a few extra copies of niche things that would benefit specific situations.

>>2074987
No. The bombs have an arm time, and if you shift click then the second drop will be queued after the first, meaning it will only start the ~4 second arming time after the first bomb is away.

Just P twice, click twice. You don't even need to P the same spot, there's a lot of flexibility with aiming since they're guided bombs.

>>2075236
>First: you can bring any squad in your deck inside any transport in your deck. Each individual squad doesn't need its own set of transports, it can take anything from the pool.

Only if the vehicle can fit the squad.

>>2075219
Id rather have a "move to the other side of the building you retards" command
they could easily double every infantry units health and they still wouldnt be op

The lack of a "hunker down" option IS a noticable absence. Being able to trade recon and the ability to shoot for increased health/armor is something that would be reflective of a pretty commonplace infantry tactic even in the modern day.

>>2075226
Im not saying it cant be countered. My point is more that getting value out of troops is difficult right now.
They're too slow, few in numbers and vulnerable for the most part. Keeping them in defensive positions is the best use scenario but it often gets too easily nullified with the 100 ways to rain freedom down on structures.

It would be nice to force more troop v troop urban combat rather than bomb + tank/heli pushing.

Campaign balance is total ass but as lithuanian nuking kaunas was kinda fun ngl

>>2075231
Need air for when the opponent air gets too cocky.
Cant always rely on AA cause with SEAD spam.

>>2075263
I mostly agree that the game is a bit too bomb + tank/heli focused.
But you can get value out of infantry. Infantry will die, a lot, but you can be wide, and cost effecient. Just avoid overinvesting in expensive infantry you may not need.
For artillery, recon is the biggest problem, and your units getting chipped. Most artillery will not kill infantry particularly quickly unless the building collapses, and if it did oh well. Keep creeping around, with small ammo dumps to refill wounded squads but that are barely a loss if they get hit.
Recon drones are what actually kills you, if the enemy wants to dislodge you and get a global hawk or something over you then you're gonna lose all your shit really fast. It's just down to two parts, keeping good recon drones away with good air defence usage, and moving when you do notice them coming in.

Also if someone is committing a lot of points to artillery, they don't have as many ground assets. Use that disparity to overwhelm what they do have and creep forward. If you're fighting multiple players at once, you may not be able to do much but hold on to what you have but theoretically your team should be making gains.

All this advice is from like 700 elo, with VDV+Mech. Not so sure what this playstyle looks like from the US side. I'm having 0 trouble rolling over the US spec ops and marine decks I run into a lot.

Arrowbros, is it really possible to have an infantry-focused deck and still be useful to the team? I want to rp as US special forces, but my last few games ended with a 0.5 KDA kek

In an alternative universe this game would be called "intact bolt"

>>2075292
Infantry cheekibreeki shit enables the other elements. If you're not in a premade you're going to have to bring artillery, tanks, planes yourself to exploit.

It's odd how few people use recon jeeps. You can easily ride around the frontline and destroy enemy artillery or air defences. Much faster than sneaking around with snipers and lasing shit.

>>2075292
Yes, but
The main job of infantry is to dominate forests and tight urban blocks. Note not all urban maps are tight enough for infantry, you want the really suburban neighbourhood or dystopian commieblock shit.
The first thing you need is a squad carrying AT launchers that are powerful enough to kill tanks at close range. For the US, this is Ranger RAAWS with the upgrade, Ranger RRC, Airborne NGWS, SMAW Assault Teams and Standoff Marine Raiders.
You want as many of these as reasonably possible and they must be in terrain where they can remain hidden. They are ambush units. Please not, except for Ranger RRC, all credible US launchers are reloadable. This means each launcher in the squad fires off one shot and then sits there for like 6 second stuffing a new round into the tube. 1v1 they cannot overwhelm APS, and you really don't want your danger shot wasted on APS when you're likely to get suppressed before your second shot.

To fight a tank, especially one with APS, you need at least two squads to 2v1 it. Ideally they converge on it from different angles so that the tank can't present front armour to both at the same time. Only one of the two squads needs to be one of the ones listed above. The other squad can get away with carrying AT-4s. However, that squad should be the one to engage first. Disposable launchers shoot very vast and are good at chewing threw APS. They also inflict guaranteed crits even with their piddly damage and are generally less expensive for more bodies, so ideally that squad should engage, draw aggro, eat up the APS charges and open the stronger squad for a side or rear shot. Remember that all RPGs can be fired while moving, so you can take full advantage of that to outposition isolated vehicles in close range. Infantry in forests also sprint faster than tanks can drive, so they can't escape you.

The second thing you need is AA, so that the enemy team can't just flush you out with bombs/helis.

>>2075300
I load green berets into an auticannon jeep and put that jeep into a helicopter. Drop them off on the enemy edge of the map, they can drive the jeep to somewhere closer to enemy spawn. Then after they walk around the backline killing shit they load up in the jeep again and I can drive them to a corner of the map with a small supply dump.

>>2075330
The third thing you need is smaller quantities of specialist anti-infantry units, like Delta Force or Combat Engineers. These are to ensure a tank deck can't just send in some of their own infantry to flush you out and clear their way. You don't need all that much of this because they can't fight tanks, and it's very important that you have enough tank-killers to keep tanks from just rolling through you. A squad like Marines, with their 13 bodies and 6 AT4s work great as the secondary for your AT-specialists, as well as being an anti-infantry meatwall

Finally, you may need some ripple-fire ATGM teams, whose purpose is to line up at the edge of your little jungle domain and make sure that enemy vehicles don't just try to bypass you.

Ideally you set all this up in your opener by heli-deploying somewhere far enough forward that it impedes the enemy team's vehicles from getting onto the points on their side of the map. Infantry sucks at moving once deployed so you really want to basically get set up on your opener and then just be able to hold that ground forever, reinforcing losses by helicopter with a safe landing zone somewhere.

If you do this well you can be an absolute bastard. But infantry requires a lot of micro to avoid just getting shelled/bombed to oblivion and you need to be careful since it's very hard to get back onto the map if you lose your position. Dam is one of those maps where infantry is king

>>2075219
try to only have a max of 2 in or right next to the objective and supporting squads/units far enough to not get hit and close enough to repond
though i know this doesn't work on every objective

>>2075337
This. If the other side can't see you they'll just dump AoE onto the objective zone, because a lot of indirect fire can basically just cover the whole zone and it's a safe bet someone's in there. Try to occupy the surrounding terrain that controls the approaches to the zone rather than sitting in the zone itself, and always be sure to move after firing since you can bet your ass someone saw the shot and queued a barrage on it.

>>2075336
Thanks, what are the best options for you? I mean, i used Spec Ops + Airborne. What if I use a bunch of infantry and helis + some air fighters or a nuke bomber? I just feel like there are always not enough troops especially against tanks and you are right, if i lose position, to get back this shit is nearly impossible

Why devs gave so little fucks about campaign. It was so close to being kino like world in conflict. How hard is it to make good wic type singleplayer ffs

>>2075360
what sucks is they clearly took a lot of inspiration from WiC including the missions, but either not caring or they didn't know how to implement it with the gameplay keeps it back

>get a russian quickplay for the first time
>pretty unsure about my decks
>just pick my ancient VDV/Guard deck for T14/15 shenanigans
>realize I only have basic tor
>no S300
>no supply
>mfw
Still ended up being a win because the other team wasn't that good but man was this stressful

>>2075386
>Make some decks one day
>three days later look through my decks
>delete 90% because I don't remember what they do anymore
I have autism

>>2075388
I mean that sounds pretty normal if I'm honest.
My problem was that I thought it was my deck from the 1st beta which worked fine. It probably wasn't.

>>2075355
Pretty sure Airborne/SoF is the one combination that simply can't hold against a coordinated push. Especially if they have decent AD.
Your shit is comparatively expensive, you don't have many counter arty/SAM capabilities and

I think the best option is to just push in where an ally is under pressure or where the enemy has a weak defense.
Assist your team mate, take the enemy objective while putting the hurt on the enemy and diverting their attention and then mount back up and just leave for greener pastures.
Haven't put that method trough sufficient testing to be confident in it but I think there is some value to it.

>>2075388
I mean that sounds pretty normal if I'm honest.
My problem was that I thought it was my deck from the 1st beta which worked fine. It probably wasn't.

>>2075355
Not him, but IMO a some kind of breakthrough vehicle helps.
Jets are great for hitting clumped or valuable enemies that your infantry find, helis are good for defence and capitalising if you've sniped out the enemy airdefence. But it can be hard to impossible to punch in with helis while strelkas, pantsirs and shorads are all over the place.
While once you've rebuffed an enemy attack, or worn them down enough vehicles can flood in and wreck havoc.

Then infantry can fill in behind, and once the enemy reacts ideally you've creeped in hard to dislodge infantry all over the place further forward.
But spec ops is funky cause the ghost hawk can get into some real weird places.

>>2075360
Yeah, the campaign is pretty weak. Difficulty is all over the place, missions don't make sense, story is nonsense, writing cringe and VA make me want to stab myself in the ears.

>>2075435
Write a bug report

>>2075459
Its not a bug, its a deliberate design choice. Just like not including SCAR H's marksman rifles in the Gelezinis Vilkas loadout or the Vilkas only having 2 spikes despite its capability of internal reload

>>2075360
Aside from the bugs and rough edges I actually adored the singleplayer. Reminded me a lot of a strategy game I played as a kid called Real War.

If they ever circle back and fix the performance I can see myself replaying it for all the hard mode medals.

>>2072343 (OP)
Is there 1v1? I don't want to rely on random teammates

>>2075497
Matchmaking is only 5v5 as a deliberate design choice

hope they release more factions soon
the big thing about the wargames was making all kind of decks with coalitions and weaker countries
would love some EU countries like germany or france or maybe even china if they can get infos on their arsenal

>>2075497
Yes >>2074245

>>2075502
I hope they expand the baltic states into a faction. They already have plenty of resources in game, they just need to add more. After all, irl baltics are expanding with enough equipment to make a viable faction

>>2075522
I think that's extremely likely. The campaign scenario includes Poland, Germany, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia with unique units for each. They could definitely combine these 5 into a faction where each spec is a different country.

They're totally adding new factions in the future but they'll each be 40 dollars DLCs

>>2075530
NATO faction (just like in WiC as it turns out) works. Give Russia a Belarus, Chechnya, North Korea, Wagner faction too

>>2075559
>NATO faction
Worked great for WiC but there's a lot of overlapping hardware that people would like to play with, It might be a waste unless you're grouping tiny countries that couldn't possibly have enough specializations alone.

>>2075568
Yeah having all of NATO sans US together in a faction would not be ideal because there would be way too much redundant equipment. It'd be cool to play with Leopards or Leclercs or Challengers but if you put all 3 in the same deck they'd all eclipse each other.

>>2075559
God I want my norks back

Which one combines best with VDV if I want an air deck? Is it viable or is it a fool's errand?

>>2075636
Same

>>2075568
Could do a combination, with a chance at individual nations later down the line. NATO could be all the signature equipment, like German armor, French aviation and scout cars, Scandinavian infantry and artillery, British elite infantry and helicopters, etc

>>2075641
but leopards are gay

>>2075637
If you want to double down on that you don't really have much choice. It's gonna be coastal or moto. Coastal at least gives you some tanks. Going with moto you have nothing for vehicles. Both have some unit that can parachute and coastal has a smaller transport

The nuke ending mentions that a newly formed European Army will be stationed on the demarcation line between the North and South Baltics. And that the US forces will be redeployed to the pacific due to rising tensions. I think this European Army will be the next DLC, along with China.

>>2075637
Moto gives you a bigger heli tab and cheaper sead.
Coastal gives you cruise missile helis and a bigger air tab.

Imo coastal is the way to go because Morskaya are like the best Russian mainline squad and you can stuff 3 of them into a helicopter at the start and cuck someone's opener super hard.

>>2075667
would be dope

>>2075667
Do you think they're going to lean into alternative history right away?

>want to Veh Deh Veh max
>airplane has 50/50 chance to get shot down with all your dudes
>helicopters are the safer option but you dont even need vdv for that

Its poignant that you dont really see dudes getting airdropped all too often in modern conventional wars.

>>2075678
they already have
>T-14 Armata working and in the field
>Comanche is a thing (though i wish it were bc C&C Generals)

>>2075698

I suspect the Russians will redesign the Armata turret after their Ukrainian experience with drones. The turret might have been fine and revolutionary years ago, but it is not the right answer in the age of drones.

>>2075705
I don't think there's anything you can put on a tank to make it drone proof

>>2075667
Burgers selling out the baltics is the most realistic part of the campaign.

>>2075698
I thought they'd have more of those, but campaign is pretty tame in that regard. You get armata once, but no T-15, Kurgs or bumerangs. US gets comanche but apparently spooks kept them in secret but it's not in service

>>2075694
The concept behind the WW2-style airdrop where you just blitz the entire air defense network of a peer rival to shit a division in their rear was always retarded. The allies made it work because the air war had become so one-sided that there was basically nothing left stopping them.

Modern air drops are mostly about stealthily inserting special forces into rough terrain where they can be a menace (see: the northern front of Iraqi Freedom) or deploying heavy equipment into very averse terrain.

>>2075694
>helicopters are the safer option but you dont even need vdv for that
They still get the best heli tab by far. One of their transports gets 8 kokons and gunship-tier ECM for like 150pts. If you're going to heli rush, that's the thing you heli rush in.

>>2075708

How about an automated anti-drone gun, inbuilt jammers, and a bit more armour for the turret?

Is Booker better with 105 or 50 mm?

>>2075733
rheinmetall and some french company are already working on a joint proto type MBT with a 30mm crows to shoot drones and give extra fire support

>>2075743
will also have less ammo, but have atgms

It took me a while to finish the campaign, though most of that time was focused in select few missions (fuck you Self Service, I have no idea if it's even possible to pass that mission normally without cheesing it), and my finishing thoughts are - what was the fucking point? It feels like it got cut halfway through. They really wasted an opportunity to do something with it.
Also, I'm sure it was on purpose because it feels self-aware but I loved the Russia stronk memetic bullshit the Russian campaign is full of that only really comes out in the Russian voiceover you can toggle in the options - first mission Demidov is happy to praise glorious pro-Russian guerilla fighters who join you in Narva, but a while later he's very sour about Latvian "so-called partisans". That being said the amount of compliance and surrendering from both Baltics and US troops are very deeply in Silovnik fantasy territory, nevermind that apparently rest of NATO decides to chicken out of the whole fight, but I guess Russians really need a bone to do anything in this fight.
Batalin loved being a bitch the whole time but at least he died doing what he loved, Russian Bannon I guess.

>>2075740
50mm is more generally useful because autocannons are anti-everything and can still fuck up tanks if you ambush them up close. 105s are kinda not very good in this game, too weak to fight tanks but too slow-firing vs infantry. It's like a poor-man's tank gun you'd only settle for if you didn't have access to real tank guns.

>>2075740
If you have Marines or Armored, 50mm. Then you can get an actual tank for your 105mm needs.
If you dont have access to real tanks, 105mm and armor+APS upgrades

I am trying Black Berets instead of SSO for my assault infantry. Since they dont have flashbangs do I just park them in a building nearby and they kill the infantry around them or should I still try and get them inside the same building as the enemy?

And should I just cut the SSO out of my deck or are they worth using on stand off

>want a cheap bomber
>I can get SU24 with 16 FAB 250
>or TU142 with 32 FAB 250
>both are the same price
>TU142 is way cooler but will probably get shot down every single time I call it in
rule of cool or bring in the faster jet with less bombs but higher chance of survival?

>>2075764
>Black Berets
Those are the guys from Coastal, right? Their thermobaric (I assume you are taking those) and grenade underbarrels have a minimum range, so you'd want them pretty close but not same building.

>>2075773
what brings you more joy? i personally care about the rule of cool more than metafagging.

>>2075764
The main advantage of the Berets is that they have a powerful anti-infantry launcher. It can't fire in the same building and they don't have any supercharged CQB fuckmachine weapon to win knife fights so you basically just want to fight things at ~400m range if possible and maximize the advantage of the launcher. It has so much upfront damage that it will tend to suppress enemy squads outright and usually drop several models before they have a chance to return fire, but you don't want to be stuck in an endurance fight against an elite squad. Same sort of idea as the Sturmoviki in mechanized or Ingenery in their launcher loadout. It's not so much a squad you charge into CQB as it is one you use to gain fire superiority and suppress enemy squads before they can really fight.

Personally I think Berets just make more sense. All the US CQB infantry shit on the russian ones and Ingenery with riot shields beat every other russian infantry up close, so if you're not in Guards you're better off not trying to fight in CQB at all.

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what is the point of ballistic missiles. I have never seen one land because they always get intercepted

>>2075823
They can only be intercepted by radar SAMs with their radar enabled, so you can combine it with SEAD to try and oerwhelm and destroy enemy aa.

Also if you fire too close to the front, the missile can be intercepted on its way up, but if you're far enough back the missile leaves the map and then comes down directly on target and is much harder to intercept.

Whats your guys tactic for maxxing weapon range advantage when deploying planes?
I feel like my current interceptors just end up flying to the middle of the map half the time even though im trying to keep them away by launching long range AA or bombs.

>yesterday
>have 4 US vs US mirror matches in a row
>get in to play first match since yesterday
>US v US mirror match
I'm going to go fucking insane

>>2075845
Meanwhile, i havent even touched US or created a deck for them.

>>2075845
Basically if you play during US hours, 0 to 500 MMR is nothing but USD players so you get constant mirror matches.

This gamer was very unhappy that his units kept getting blown up by Ka-52 Katrans with the cruise missile. He thought the cruise missile wasn't a real thing and it was some kind of hack.

>>2075853
Typical, everyone wants to play as the bad guys.

>>2075845
>>2075846
>>2075853
I think I have had 1 maybe 2 mirror matches over 45 matches. I don't get why I am not seeing this but so many others are having it so frequently.

What do you open with after air tax? I usually go with STT in a little bird, followed by rangers RRC (stand off), Rangers, Troopers AA, and supplies in black hawks. Then I call in Shorad stryker for the front and Patriot for the rear once the points come in

>>2075863
I cheat the air tax if I can, send in a buk instead, then if the coast is clear I load up my Heli and drop a at,aa and infantry squad to capture my designated zone. Follow up with a couple of tanks, shorad and supply drops.

>>2075863
Airtax, stealth hawk (STT/Rangers MAAWS), Killer Egg w/Stingers.
All at the same time

TOTAL NUKEIGGER DEATH!

>no variable game speed options
>no replay
>2 nations
>gimped skirmish mode
Ez refund

Why would I ever want the Igla-S over the Verba? Why does the guards regiment get better infantry than the mechanized infantry regiment?

Thoughts on my new deck?

>>2075910
I would take an extra smerch over the single koalitsiya, basic arty is too innacurate to get consistent value by itself unless its for some smoke tactics or something.

>>2075910
Drop an SSO and a Verba for some AGS teams
Your APCs are too heavy, no way to reinforce the lines on the cheap, use the discount to get some Kornet ripple-fire teams
T80UM could be modernized T90s for identical ammo and better armor for cheaper
Drop two TORs and upgrade them to double how many missiles it can fire at once
The Smerch can cover ammo depot unscheduled disassembly better than the SPG on short fire missions, ditch it and get a pair of mortars to annoy infantry and smoke
You only need one napalm Grad to cover your sector from infantry concentrations
The SU25 is a slow nothingburger that will realistically never warrant its points, get a migger with smartbombs instead

tl;dr just some nitpicks and personal preferences, but your biggest lack is cheap transports and weapon teams

>>2075902
You get twice the missile launchers.

>>2075922
^this

>>2075884
Imagine the snackbar hype if this happened in the middle east.
That basic stealth bomber downing in Serbia still gets talked about today, and it was with normal AA.

>>2075922
T90s don't get APS.

>>2075938
T80UMs AP rounds cannot fight Abrams tanks

>>2075943
They're not meant to fight Abrams. Nothing in the Russian deck can fight an Abrams. You use tanks to kill everything surrounding the Abrams, and then you chip away at the Abrams themselves. That's the armored breakthrough doctrine.

>>2075925
a B-1 ever getting into manpad range IRL sounds insane already.
Maybe except for start and landing, which probably is somewhere in the US on a gigantic air force base

>>2075568
the could just use the actual multi-national brigades in the baltic as a base, or come up with their own ones. That way they could basically pick and choose whatever weird units they want, even stuff like Spanish or Romanian units (not likely IRL, but theoretically possible)

>>2075947
What exactly makes Abrams better than Armata?

Diplomatic specializations when?

>Media: Twitter posting, Nafo, Web Brigades, shills, bots, flag raising, nuke threats
Affects Supply Incomes
>Negotiations: Ceasefire, Peace Deals, Concessions, Phone Calls, Deep Concerns
Affects Points and Win Conditions
>Acts: Sanctions, Blockade, Prisoner Exchange
Affects Supply Totals and Unit Availability

>>2075568
There could be multiple NATO factions, because it isn't the Cold War anymore and the equipment is more varied now. Just like at countries like Poland, it has T-72s, Leopards, M1s and K2s. They could make some Eastern Group, like Poland+Baltics or V4. There are many ways to do that, not sure which one is the best, but the clue is that there needs to be more than one European deck.

When update?

>>2076005
SEPv3 has more pen on its main gun (500-800 to 525-840), is cheaper (400 vs 385), and has the option to come without APS to be way cheaper (400 vs 315). Otherwise their armour and hp are identical.

The pen difference literally only matters vs the Armata, because it's the only other tank with more than 800 frontal armour but it means that in a long range duel the Abrams kills in fewer hits despite costing less. You really can't win that fight head on point for point.

>>2076008
Considering in the ending of the Campaign you hear about formation of European Army, it's safe to assume it's them and it'll probably be more boring than splitting it between different groups of countries, though I suppose that there isn't anything anywhere that says a faction needs to have exactly 6 specializations anyway, so I could see European Army having a specialization or three for every country, depending on how much interesting stuff they have. The issue is that while I can think of bunch of new specializations for Russia very quickly (Belarus, !not!-Wagner, Norks, FSB/various internal spook forces with stupid shit so I can recreate last weeks of February 2022 and have Russian riot police cut down by machinegun fire), it's not that easy to figure out what else can Americans get that won't be just more of the same, and it'd be weird to have Europeans with 1000 specializations while US still gets only 6.
It should have been BLUFOR vs REDFOR anyway, or NATO vs CIS or whatever. Even within the campaign Baltics are supported by the US and it's dumb to prevent that from happening in multiplayer.

>>2075743
>30mm crows
All they need is an automatic shotgun shooting birdshot

I could finish that campaign, but this game just keeps fucking freezing.
>>2076030
https://youtu.be/TnlPtaPxXfc

>>2076034
Same. I finished the US campaign yesterday siding with Miller and the game froze while loading the ending cutscene. I'm not redoing that shit just to see what happened.

>>2076038
Those freezes wouldn't even be big a big deal. I played Cyberpunk when it released, it crashed multiple times but I kept playing because I had damn saves and I could return and lose at most 5-10 minutes of progress. What were they even thinking? It's a basic feature.

>>2076038
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p63EXKab4VQ

>>2076033
The name of the game is range. You want to be able to hit an incoming drone from as far away as you can reasonably detect it. The problem with close-in defenses is that they can be masked by the drone maneuvering into a blindspot. So ideally you intercept before it can ever get that close.

>Russian retard crying about k/d in text chat
>He has three units on the field
>All of them are recon
>All the rest is artillery
>Somehow he still manages to get a worse K/D than me

>>2076030
spooks never lose

>>2076030
Also if you follow his plan he gets a shit peace settlement, yeah russia loses kaliningrad but estonia and most of latvia are still occupied, and fucks off. NATO probably doesn't exist at this point. I thought they were going to reveal he was a mole and/or he orchestrated the 4th drone thing, but the plot never goes into the russian perspective or why they thought invading estonia after forcing their way with armoured vehicles into lithuania is an appropriate response.
The convoy only got stopped halfway through Lithuania, the second wave with BMPs and shit would have already crossed the border before shooting started. Vatnik made game after all.

>>2076030
The whole idea of the deathcult of hyperelite spooks fanatically loyal to glowie antichrist was really funny in a "so this is how they see us" kind of way.

>>2076071
>i love being liberated by russia from globohomo!!

>>2076151
Also he appears to be in charge of the whole operation despite ostensibly being just a civilian PR guy and nobody finds it weird.

what the fuck are high/ low drag bombs and why is this never mentioned anywhere?

>>2076214
High drag bombs can be dropped from low altitude, means you don't expose yourself to radar AA

Another important thing not mentioned is that plane launched ATGMs are usually launched from high altitude, but if you lase a target they can launch from low altitude

>>2076218
but where does it say it in the game? how do I know which bomb is which?

>>2076238
Disable the lego-ui option for the children, there's a slider tab, top-right of the unit panel. Click the bomb. It will say free-fall (high altitude), low-drag (low altitude), or smartbomb (high altitude and follows lasers)

>>2076232
AGMs are launched during a strafe order, but it's important to note the box you drag is more of a suggestion, they will launch off bore at anything in range, lasing target will prioritize it and also allow firing while just cruising low alt as mentioned.

>>2076238
It says on the weapon card in hangar.

>>2076241
fucking hell why is this not toggled by standard

>>2076249
It used to be. Probably illiterate ziggers complaining

>news post on steam is a guide for chinks fix their connection issues
hope you like cheaters

>>2076232
what about smart bombs? there is no range indicator on those

Can I play this game if I have no friends?

is there any easier way to resupply frontline?

>>2076285
yeah some anons are playing together and you could always play with randos if you're a glutton for punishment

>>2076287
easier than what? sending a helo with supplies or driving them up? not really

so which side has the better campaign?

>>2076275
Same as high altitude bombs. They can just home in on lases >>2076241

>>2076287
Nope. I load up a basic truck with a few thousand supplies and just keep it nearby to unload whenever I need it. Use helicopters to make a big supply dump further behind the frontline that truck can grab from.

If you play Marines the LAV L is a decent one, carries 2500 supplies so you arent loading it up with too much, has a tiny bit of armor and can stick a gun on it so its not too vulnerable near your frontline guys

https://share.brokenarrowgame.tech/invite/ew0KICAicyI6ICJ7XHJcbiAgXCJJbnZpdGVUb2tlblwiOiBcIlxcXCJabWhyTTNNd1p6TTZoeFFJN3BRS0w5MVEvVVNidTBYMUJNYlpWYnN4THJGK1pIWFB0SGtENU1jS0ppdHhLZVpRMWlZZ1NuYWVsdXN6SlhQWVhnOGc1RGNmK1JEaVcrMmNCZ1NGY2svVldwc2c2RmZPbHdYODh1TUFYZGxGL0dHaWpVWitVdWNGcytIRGJXeFU1TFNzVzJzbHpPUmx2UzZzRGlWQ1VmbElQK2ZCbGpxZWQ0b21WL3pvQ2pWeVBjY1hYR3dHbFpuZjB5Zy9MUFBMMVpNK2lPUlp2eXdtQzNTT1xcXCJcIlxyXG59IiwNCiAgImxuIjogIkZqZWxsa25hdXMncyBsb2JieSIsDQogICJ1biI6ICJGamVsbGtuYXVzIiwNCiAgInQiOiAxNzUwNzkzMjE2DQp9

Get in niggers the teamstack is starting

>>2076305
4/5 get in here, we all have SEAD and will dominate the air

>>2076305
I joined and am trans

That was just a little joke on the anons who are playing together I didn't actually join and I'm NOT trans

what are some really good units stuck in shit groups?

>>2076428
Ka-52 Katran, the only Russian helo with fire and forget missiles.

Do the russians have any units that can fire from where these motostrelki are, to where the Kiowa is? Units that can fit inside a building
For reference the killer eggs are ~650 meters

>>2076435
If I remember correctly, their best MANPADS has 2km of range. Just like US.

>>2076435
Shot from another angle to see distance better
>>2076439
They are arcing like grenade launchers, not a MANPADS. You can see it better in this image, 3 of whatever was being fired are in the air and you can see the 3 separate arcs

>>2076435
>>2076439
Yeah basic Igla-N is 1800, Igla-S 2000 and Verba gets 2100m

>>2076440
Are you sure it was infantry in a building instead of a vehicle near the building?

>>2076440
It was Misha throwing spears.

>>2076440
actually nevermind, I looked further back in my clip and the same motostrelki are firing from even further back.
We didnt get fucking rolled anons, they were cheating. You can see the same smoke trails/arcs coming out of the motostrelki in this image. Also they have the firing icon when there is nothing in range for them.
>>2076444
>Are you sure it was infantry in a building instead of a vehicle near the building?
I zoomed in on them because I was confused, the shots came directly from the building.

>>2076447
>>2076449
That is very suspicious
And here I was going to joke that he guy was listening to this in the background: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUTdLRDBUew

Sadly it never showed the name of the player even though I moused over his units multiple times, maybe I will just report the one chink that was in the lobby and claim it was him

>>2076452
Hacking range is one oft he most common. The official discord has a section for reporting cheaters and like 90% of it is just chinks who CE'd their range and rof to ridiculous values because that's what they do.

Video of the motostrelki with infinite range grenade launcher shooting down a Kiowa. I also saw them shooting at tanks in the middle point from over here

>>2076490
Well a SAM finished it off but regardless of who killed it, the motostrelki have no ability to launch grenades and hit a kiowa from that far

>>2076305
do you guys play US or RU or both?

>>2076490
reminds me of this lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSY5XdvpZsA

>>2076495
And also that's an insane rate of fire and ammo count

>>2076490
I thought there were some suspicious looking grenades flying out of those buildings when I looked over there but I didn't say anything at the time. So essentially we had cheaters shooting infinite range weapons at us. Cool

>>2076496
Both, whatever people are in the mood for

Is there a reason to laser designate for hellfires?

>>2076435
Spets VMF with the dual .50 cal snipers?

looks like i wasn't the only one getting filtered by the campaign lel
still, i really like this game and the modern military setting
i hope there's a mod that stylizes the ui a bit

>>2076506
i think cheaters with infinite range have been seen in general player base at least 2 days ago

Amazing start for a strategy game. I was expecting much lower numbers.
It will be interesting to see how many players are going to stay after a month or two.

>bro on my team says ez at the end of match
>he has spawned nothing but artillery and SAMs all game
>asks me wtf I was doing all match cause my kill score was only 4.6k
>his K/D is worse than mine

we won and I had a good time so I can't moan too much, but why the fuck do people think holding 4 capture points and pressuring a 5th on my own is somehow irrelevant just because I didn't kill as much shit as the man S-300s getting fed planes every 20 seconds.

>>2076531
I am expecting <4,000 in about 2 weeks

>>2076534
It'll probably take at least a month or two, and become static around 15% of it's current peak.
Depending on developer attentiveness to the game. If cheating becomes pervasive it may accelerate that.

>>2076531
I wonder how much of this is wargame nostalgia and how much of is hardware autism.
I have a feeling that a lot of people just want to play with modern tanks and planes and the only other alternative was giving your firstborn and all your kidneys to Warthunder or other equally shitty F2P grindathons

>>2076533
>brainlets only understand numbers and none of the soft factors in winning
is ur friend in upper management?

i need a very racist global chat in this game as well

>>2076540
just IMAGINE the Iran/Israel/Russia/Ukraine shitposts that could have been

>>2076538
80% hardware
20% nostalgia
>>2076537
still tired of game devs thinking they should allow chink players in western sphere

>>2076533
Soloqueue is fucking miserable
>catch enemy helo opener as they're landing and pop the pinata, get to rush through and take all the points on my side solo before they get a coherent front against me again
>spend the rest of the match getting doubled by players who can roll directly out of spawn onto my point
>while a 3rd has AA cutting me off and keeps running units in my rear
>my ally opposite the 3rd guy slapped down some Mech Rifles in some buildings shy of the point he never attempted to attack and then didn't move for the rest of the game
>the rest of my team is losing on caps and barely playing
>they all go 0.3 kd
The most absolute worst thing in this game that instantly turns it into a miserable slog is when you can't use helicopters to resupply because your team has given so much ground that there isn't any safe flightpath. Wheeling supply a 5 minute trek across the map while microing units in combat is fucking awful.

>>2076538
Hardware is a big draw. You can tell a large number of players in matchmaking have never touched a strategy game before and are just here for the tanks.

>>2076545
I just do my own thing my in solo queue, ignore team

>>2076545
>still tired of game devs thinking they should allow chink players in western sphere
I wonder if normal chinese players also have to deal with cheaters all the time or if they reserve their cheating for us gweilos

im getting conflicting information. is infantry good or is it bad? can you reasonably kill tanks or not?

>>2076596
Most infantry is bad and cannot reliably kill tanks

A few select squads are good and can reliably kill tanks, but they need to work in pairs to do so. This creates only a handful of spec combinations where your deck will actually have enough of the 'good' squads to actually hold their own against a tank deck. If you bring one of those combinations and play it well you will rule the forest.

Infantry are generally way overpriced and the vast majority of bad squads have no reason to exist and are actively detrimental to ever purchase. We've been complaining to the devs about this since the first open beta but apparently they don't see a problem with it.

>>2076576
from what i've heard they have to deal with it even more so, why they try to play with us but they get followed by pieces of shit

>>2076596
Infantry will run out of ammo killing a single light tank. Most of the time they will run out of ammo without even killing it.

You need multiple squads of infantry to deal with a small armored push. You need vehicles and helicopters to deal with a large armored push

And while I'm at it, here's an exhaustive list of infantry that can actually fight tanks. Everything requires a 2v1 in a forest at minimum but 2 of the same squad isn't always optimal and you'll usually want to mix and match. Everything listed here will essentially exhaust its ammo to secure a kill and unless otherwise mentioned.
US
>Specops
Rangers RRC--Fast-firing 600 pen disposable launcher. They're high DPS vs vehicles but fragile for their price.

Rangers RAWS M4--the most powerful US AT squad. Fragile for their price. Carry a fuckload of ammo so supply is not an issue

>Airborne
Airborne NGWS--1/3 of a MAAWs team. Shoots slowly so APS fucks them over

>Marines
Marine Raiders Standoff--same as Airborne except with way more hp

SMAW Assaultmen--poor-man's RAWS but relatively cheap and good bodycount for the price

Marines--They make a good meatshield for SMAW or RAWS teams and can eat APs for the other squad but can't do anything on their own. Their price keeps getting nerfed so they aren't even that cost-effective anymore.

>RU
>Guards
Gvardii. 900 pen disposable launchers are literally ATGM-tier damage. With more ammo they could solo tanks

>Motorized
Spetsnaz GRU--Gvardii with more ammo. They can solo tanks. Don't take the mixed loadout

Diversanty--650 pen that ignores APS, but only 4 shots. Good for ambushes but expensive and fragile

>VDV
VDV Razvedka--Basically the same as Airborne but on a smaller and more fragile squad. Not very good.

>Coastal
Morskaya--Basically RRC but better, stronger and cheaper. You get fucking 8 copies of these dudes so you can just spam them to turn forests into minefields

It's no coincidence that the meta RU deck is Guards + Motorized because for some reason they thought giving the specs with the best vehicles the best infantry would be totally sensible.

>>2076611
so if i wanted to play with a lot of infantry, even if it's better to spam vehicles, would be specops+marines and guards+motorized?

>>2076615
specops+marines also has good air options

>>2076615
The one asterisk beside specops+marines is that you have no long range AA so you're totally fucked if your allies don't bring enough AA to cover you.

How common are maphacks? I swear some of these fucks are shooting missiles at targets that I know that have never fired and I know they've never seen (because I have recon all around them and overhead drones and long-range AA shooting down their overhead drones).

Spec Ops and Armored or Spec Ops and Stryker?
I like infantry play but my Spec Ops / Stryker build gets rolled over by tanks if I cant get a guardian close enough, and they avoid getting near my Rangers MAAWS

okay finished the final US mission on easy by ignoring most mechanics
if you want to finish it just for the skin
>go with miller>call 4 Abrams to deal with inf that spawn on ur spawn>set up 3 patriots> get 4 Paladins as soon as possible to deal with ballistic missiles and arty through map> have inf and LAVs defend flank at bridge> thunder rush abrams till hurt with LAV-AD behind> arty tall buildings> creaping barrage inside base

>>2076531
>>2076538
Im here for the hardware. I did try Wargame back in the day, but never got into it, felt like I walked into some meta where I wasnt able to play quickly enough to keep up in multiplayer.
This game feels more user friendly and less abstract with units so it rekindled the itch ive always had to play some modern war sim.

Retention wise, I have already felt a bit of repetition creep in with my current playstyle. Just going through the motions of infantry capture > AA > Tank push > Arty& Supplies > Reacting to enemy. But thats also my lack of skill, theres a lot of depth with picking loadouts and micromanaging units that can affect a battle so if it feels samey, its partly down to me.

With higher ELO im seeing my default actions get countered, so I will need to git gud and change things up pretty soon.

>>2076636
It's easier than that.
If you side with the glowie the mission failure flag is bugged so all you have to do is cap the two zones and then go afk and you come back to a win 10m later.

Uploading these here for reference.

Here we have an F-35B flying in to bomb an S-300. The S-300's radar is active, and it's normal and functional in every way. The F-35 has been given a simple command to drop two Stombreakers and then evac and is coming in with Afterburners. It doesn't end well.

Note in this outcome they trade kills, but the F-35 is worth more than the S-300 so it's a bad trade. Even with stealth, the S-300 detects the F-35 early enough to launch its first missile before the F-35 is close enough to drop bombs. I've run this a couple times and usually the F-35 dies before even dropping payload, sometimes it gets lucky and survives, sometimes it trades kills. Not particularly good.

Should I use stormbreakers or JDAMs on my F35

>>2076651
And here we have a considerably more favourable outcome. Now the S-300 doesn't even see the F-35 until it's dropping payload and the missile fires too late, loses lock as the battery dies and just flies of harmlessly. This isn't lucky RNG, it's a reliable, 100% reproducible outcome.

Here's the trick
Begin in low-altitude flight
Give a move order towards your target
As you approach your target, press P to set up the precision strike but don't click your target yet.
Time your click to where your plane is less than 6km from the target. Learning to gauge the distance and get the timing correct just takes a big of practice
As soon as you've clicked to confirm the strike, activate afterburners and queue your evac
Optionally paint a target for the laser designator if you want.
After the bombs are released, return to low-altitude flight


Because Stormbreakers have an arming time of 1 second, you can wait until you're just about 1 second from the drop point before inputting the order. This matters because once the order is set, the plane is forced into high altitude flight, where it's detected and shot. By delaying the order, we stay low altitude right up until the second the bombs release, which means our target doesn't have enough time to aim and then fire before the bombs land and kill its guidance. Only Stormbreakers can do this, because they are the only precision bomb with a 1 second arming time

I'm slowling approaching 1000 ELO and it's getting so sweaty
literally everyone is using an armored detachment
everyone stacking abrams and T80s (including me bc if I don't I'll lose bc someone thought inf don't need to be cheaper or more effective)

Infantry need to have their cost halved across the board. And double the amount of infantry you can bring in

>>2076664
we are a broken record
decrease inf cost or increase ammo significantly
and while we're at it, inf in tall buildings should get top attacks on vehicles since they're looking down at them

>>2076660
In the 1st open beta, air being ridiculous kept tankblobs in check
In the 2nd open beta, helicopters being ridiculous kept tankblobs in check

Both got nerfed, but tankblobs were untouched and now they're ridiculous.

>>2076490
>>2076447
Cope

>>2076430
is that the one with the cruise missiles? that shit is nasty

>>2076656
I loved using that during the beta to the point I seriously lacked SEAD in my decks because it felt unnecessary.
Only bombing helos felt better.

>>2076669
>real life ELO Ukraine
>both sides abusing the shit out of cheap drones
>tanks and armor are complete memes
>infantry picking bikes instead of troop carriers because its safer to just go fast
>too much AA so helis and close air support are kept parked half the time

The fucking state of the real game is a joke. Its been 3 years and they still havent nerfed 5 supply cost munitions with multi kilometre range.
You're pretty much stuck to arty or cruise missiles if you want variety.

Arrowbros, could you advise what's redundant or what should be changed? I like larp as spec ops infantry, but very often my soldiers end up becoming heroes due to artillery bombardment. Helicopters as support sometimes help a lot to deal with vehicles, but it's too inconsistent because the enemy has AA. So my losses sometimes very high

Pay your fucking airtax.

>>2076843
ok, i bought a cargoplane filled with infantry with all my starting points. am i helping?

>>2076796
Infantry based decks are just meh because of the issues inf has. As for what to change you probably have too many transport helicopters and I'd take something else instead of B-2

>>2076845
Anything that at least distracts the plane is alright in my books.

Leavers (in the first 5 secs no less before literally anything could have happened) and "support" players need to hang

>>2076796
Firstly, your spec combo has a few gimmicks that you absolutely need to exploit;
>stealth drones and fighting recon
rq-170 and Green Berets Flash, rangers rrc cqc, pararescue w/ flashbangs. dont forget to take ranger snipers - your premier stealthy spotter. stryker RV is a beast recon vehicle
>infantry tab
rangers, excellent AT(MAAWS and javelin rangers) plus APS strykers w/ javelins. oh, and the mk47 agl.
>all vehicle tab units have a gimmick
booker has a 50mm option, stryker atgm has an APS with top attack tows, and the stryker mgs can get paradropped
>support tab
has the himars (self explanatory), the stryker shorad (equip with stingers, NOT hellfires, since you get more AA missiles) and the stryker sph, which snipes supply depots, lays smoke and harasses infantry from afar, sadly with low damage
>helicopters (transport and attack)
stealth blackhawk for backline recon insertion. littlebird with viewrange upgrade for stupid cheap good vision and weapons team deployment, MH-60M SOAR with good ECM, moderate supply storage and optics for hunting enemy recon, a variety of killer egg loadouts for many mission profiles, the best armed recon and tank-busting helis in the game
>air
these specs basically have everything you need from the tab if you wish to use specific playstyles. carpet bombing, strafing runs, bomb slinging, SEAD, combat air patrol. you name it, you can have it.

As for your deck;
>missing ranger snipers, M-ATV's with javelins, rq-170's. too many stryker RV's. get the cheap recon vehicle with the 2400m vision upgrade (60 or so points). STT not required since you have troopers AA, or vice versa. cont. reading for explanation
>you can actually skin delta force in favour of CQC rangers. they cost less and you'll have more of them. switch stinger rangers to javelins. in exchange, get a set of troopers AT exclusively for your preferred flavour of the stryker. if you can, squeeze a few Mk47 tubes in there.

cont.

>>2076843
>>2076845
Yeah, I need non-airborne teammates to cover my epic vdv deployments.

>>2076859
No, you don't. They will be fine.

>>2076855 cont.
>the vehicle tab is extremely important. nothing in your deck effectively stops an enemy armored push. 50mm bookers rape everything short of MBT's, and that's a trap. you need the 105mm to effectively exploit flanking, otherwise you'll sit there plinking away small chunks. otherwise, the stryker ATGM can be replaced by all other javelin units in your deck.
>support has 2 shorads too many. ideally (lol), you'll have a buddy with another anti-helo/cruise missile unit nearby to tandem with. if you find yourself needing cover or precision strikes at shorter ranges, 2x stryker mortars. good alternative to stryker SPH.
>drop a guardian and get some MH-60 SOARS for smaller deliveries of supplies. you can also effectively patrol (2k view range) your rear lines for enemy recon if you find yourself unable to explain how they see your units.
>personally i think nukes are a meme, but if you want to use the B2, juse MOPs instead. or carpet dumb bombs. or carpet cluster bombs (jsows). i'd skip the F-22 for an F-35 loaded with a single HARM and 4 AMRAAMs. for SEAD, take the F-16CJ which has 4 of them. etc.

that's all i can think of. have fun anon!