I want more

>>2076126 (OP)
People keep saying a sequel is coming soon but I don't believe it. No one wants to cross the rubicon, and everyday people value comfort

>>2076126 (OP)
The Dev went under. It's never getting a sequel. Its best to follow the grand Tactician dev

>>2076756
fuck

>>2076126 (OP)
It's UG: American Revolution worth buying yet?
Nevermind I just looked at the Steam page. What the hell hapenned?

>>2076782
please wait for the 4th of july patch fellow patriot

>>2076126 (OP)
>>2076782
Sadly the dev is a massive faggot and invested all his profits plus investment money into a chink sweatshop that just shat out Rule the Wave 3 clones but bad and in 3D.
Surprisingly nobody bought the garbage, especially when he made 3 games at the same time and none are finished.

>>2076837
I'm not American.

>>2077062
My condolences.

>>2076301
Kek i thought you meant a game, but yeah the civil forces of the U.S unless your gov fucks up insanely bad would likely side with the government, and their toys are way scarier and way more professional than what they had back then. Plus they'd have a hometeam advantage so guerilla shit would be way harder since they have both the resources and probably the will to fight for a while.

>>2076126 (OP)
You could try Grand Tactician: Civil War
Instead of just the army you manage the entire nation
It definitely scratches the itch of wanting to move armies around on a map

>>2076126 (OP)
Scourge of War: Gettysburg

>go into 1st Bull Run with like 5000 dudes because I have no fucking idea what I am doing
>leave with like 300
>doesn't matter, congress loves me, I got a promotion, several high level officers, a second corps, and now standing at like 15k dudes, still no idea what I am doing
This is just ACW officer simulator. Should I change my name to Sherman?

>>2082891
Why did you pick the gay side anon?

>>2083505
But I'm playing Union

>>2083505
I'm a Union simp (forever)

>>2077257
Even ignoring all that, people don't really have any idea what being an insurgency is like. Boomers think that they're gonna get their lawn chairs out and snipe at convoys with their huntin' rifles and zoomers who are into the idea don't even really want to fight, they just want to be surrounded by people who will tell them that they're right.

Actual insurgencies is doing bad stuff to innocent people to further your goals and living in caves eating dog food out of a can for years on end.

>>2083634
Not a boomer but I would like to be the guy in Dawn of the Dead just sat on the roof sniping people all day.

>do side mission "Crossroads" leading up the Shiloh battle
>task is to protect crossroads
>go in there, position my dudes, some detached skirmishers as pickets
>spot like one enemy brigade who fucks off to god knows where
>win mission literally because nobody attacks
Apparently I had like almost 1.5x as many men, but would that already be enough to simply deter them from doing anything?

>>2086848
no, the AI should be attacking anyway

Just won Shiloh by slaughtering over 20k traitors while only losing half of that on my own side.
I am better than Grant.

>He doesn't know about the super secret cloning technology utilized by Confederate field hospitals

>>2087767
beauregard is a kino last name but a god tier first name

>>2088296
That's only because you pronounce it "bow-ray-guard"

>>2077061
UAD could have been the best game of all time, fuck this world

>>2088484
Beau-regard.

>>2089546
>>2088484
bi-uh-ree-gard

>>2088484
>>2089554
I've never heard it pronounced like this and I'm from the trashiest White trash area in the world. It's always: >>2089546 bow-rehgard

>>2088484
>>2089546
>>2089554
lets settle this, boys
https://voca.ro/1ioLWd3QaGS3

>>2089556
>It's always: >>2089546 bow-rehgard
That's not how you pronounce "beauregard" though

Just did 2nd Bull Run. Holy shit what a fucking mess. Lost an entire artillery brigade because I didn't react fast enough and skirmishers just wouldn't detach, plus got a supply wagon captured and didn't manage to get it back in time.
Flanked them from the south so I could charge the palisades. Still took a lot of fighting for that fucking hill.
What the actual fuck are you supposed to do when reinforcements arrive when the battle is almost over? They barely reach combat in time so I can't even switch them out.
I am also constantly running low on men and money, but that's mainly because until Gaines Mill or so I always only bought veterans, which is fucking retarded.
My army currently stands at around 100k. Is that at least adequate to tackle Antietam?

>>2089656
How do you pronounce it, then?

>>2089671
"Beau-regard"

Ber-gard

>>2076782
UG: American Revolution is one of the worst games I've ever played. It's never going to be good, because conceptually it's a mess. It feels like a SC/WC3 mod.

>>2089850
Burger

>>2090105
kek

>>2089685
Bee-ew-re-guard

Just did a mission where I had to take a hill from the rebs while losing less than 40% of my men. I think I lost 15% or so, which I already think is a lot, since I barely can keep up with replenishing the brigades and I am expected to even grow the army.
Welp, tomorrow is Antietam day with a force of overall around 110k men and the Confederates having a 10% smaller force (provided those bonuses I got from earlier victories are additive).

Is this as good as the Sid Meier Civil War games?

Antee-Tamm done.
Reb force was like half of mine lol, at one point I simply lost track of everything but the rebs were getting a good thrashing from all sides, so whatever.
My army stands now at almost 130k, while those traitor faggots have less than 100k.

>>2076126 (OP)
what game

>>2091045
fortnite

>>2076126 (OP)
Right on bro. I LOVED that game. Played the Rebs a couple years back. I need to do a Yank playthru sometime.

>>2077234
kek

Fredericksburg captured.
Historically accurate Malvern Hill was a total disaster, one brigade lost over 50% of its men.
Note to future self: Bring more artillery

>>2083542
>>2083524
Yeah, exactly, the gay side.

>>2091866
Which side did the buckbreaking before getting buckbroken themselves? Can you tell me?

>>2091892
Which side were all the nigger-lovers, and carpetbaggers on? Can you tell me? Which side, after the war, gave niggers free reign to rape and kill because they got hurt feelings looking at plantation Chads and didn't understand why a man wouldn't be satisfied with pushing paper his whole life? Which side utterly failed to deport the niggers back to Africa, and don't give me that cope about John Wilkes Booth, you know as much as I do if Lincoln was serious about deporting the nigs, then it would have happened whether he was alive or not.

You fought for the dignity and freedom of niggers, and now you can't walk into any major American city without looking over your shoulder. Hope it was worth it.

>>2091894
Uh, oh, looks like someone did a hecking racism here. Do you not know the rules?
And why do you come here after you got clowned on in the /k/ thread?
So long, gay loser.

>>2091897
This site is dead as fuck anyways, /k/ is a shithole I don't visit because it's full of retards, and Trump won the popular vote.

>>2091897
>clowned on
gay zoomer

>>2092428
That's why this place is 4spic now.

I think today I will tackle Stones River.

I am already anxious about Gettysburg, what with artillery and Pickett and Silly Sickles.

Stones River was kinda weird. It felt like half the map was just my troops.
Repelled the rebel faggots everywhere.
Lost about 13k, which is the historical number btw, while of 50k rebs there were only like 15k left at the end.
I think this is good.

Next up is Chancellorsville. Things are starting to get heated, but I get better at flanking and harrassing.
Still don't know how to use cavalry lol, the supply raid where you get a set amount of horse troops really activated my almonds.

Guys is it true that the rifle muskets that were used in the ACW had a range of up to 300 meters but retarded americans just kept using them like smoothbore muskets instead and shot eachother to ribbons at 150m instead?

>>2100308
Maximum firing range doesn't equal effective fire range, to say nothing of terrain, sight distances, what actual equipment was being used, and more. Even at 150m you're not guaranteed a hit, but you're far more likely than at 300.

>>2100308
Rifled muskets, repeaters and breech loaders were all being developed and manufactured as quickly as possible. Keep in mind smokeless powder is still not a thing, so many engagements were still at shorter than 'maximum' range. ACW is also arguably the first industrial war and it saw huge amounts of troops and equipment being moved in relatively small areas in comparison to say, the Napoleonic wars in europe. Generally speaking, the US has much more rough terrain which means many engagements were not conducive to long range fire on top of everything else.

>>2100501
>arguably the first industrial war
no i think the Crimean War and the Second Italian War were first but sure. The thing is European observers really didn't take too many lessons from the ACW because the sheer disorganized nature of the US armies at the time and the lack of training each side had on their very new and shiny rifle muskets. Also many euros took a lot of lessons from the Crimean and Italian Wars and thus had begun to update their ideas about military stuff, but when the Americans sent their people over to observe they legit didn't really get much from their experience. Hence the european idea that the ACW was fought by amateurs. but you're right, the logistics angle isnt presented much, but most big euro countries had this on mark already.

I would say take a look at the Austro-Prussian and Franco-Prussian Wars as you will see ACW but fought by real pros

>>2100516
ACKSHUALLY especially the prussians took lessons from the ACW, which they then improved upon and adapted in order to give the frogs a good thrashing.

>>2100635
>especially the prussians took lessons from the ACW
yeah thats true but not in tactics, they and all euros really were very impressed by our rail use for logistics and transport

>>2100661
afaik they also took note of the artillery tactics.
But are you sure that Moltke actually started investing heavily in railroad because the americans did?

>>2100665
>But are you sure that Moltke actually started investing heavily in railroad because the americans did?
to be honest, i wouldn't trust my word on it, but it would feel like it makes sense. But again, it totally could have been that they already had that capability and changed some of the way they did their railroad mobilization/logistics stuff.

>>2100516
Crimean and second italian involved infinitely less industry, soldiers and lacked the key attributes of an industrial war(trains, airburst artillery, ironclads, gatling guns, etc.). The Italian war nobody has ever heard of and apparently lasted 2 months, hardly a war of note or industrial in scale.

>>2100669
It would certainly be interesting; I have been reading quite a bit about the ACW and German Wars of Unification and I remember at least one guy writing a book about ACW tactics and such he published with the prussian army.
Btw, the alleged quote by Moltke calling Grant an amateur is not proven.

>>2100686
>Btw, the alleged quote by Moltke calling Grant an amateur is not proven.
But would that be wrong?

Chancellorsville done.
Gave me the task of taking some churchyard right after, thus wasting reputation points, shame I didn't know that before.
Anyway, Chancellorsville was a piece of work, and instead of letting myself get completely encirculated, I went into the offensive and took the objectives.
I also managed to keep the right flank intact and the XI corps alive.

Still lost about 20% of my men though lol. The rebs lost nearly 80% of their men AND I won, so compared to the real thing it was totally worth it.

>>2100692
Ntayrt: Depends on how you define amateur. Grant had graduated West point, fought in the Mexican war and was promoted to Captain by virtue of bravery in battle, hardly inexperienced. On the other hand, in the face of the Prussian General Staff, nearly everyone in Europe looked like amatures. Frankly, if Moltke did say something like that, it must have been before 71' when they made France look like a bunch of fools. Still, I think it's hard to argue the professional French army used rail, telegraphs and other modern technologies better than Grant or anyone in the US at the time.

Not that I believe the European countries had much to learn from the Civil War militarily, certainly a lot less than many say. The best fought campaigns of the war were made possible due to the large distances involved and the need to spread forces out to cover those distances. This allowed a kind of manoeuvering that was already becoming rare in Europe and would, naturally, be mostly gone by WW1. On the other hand, some European powers would have been wise to learn how trains could be scheduled. In 70', part of the reason France had to curtail their advance was due to supply shortages, barely across the German frontier! To say nothing of poor communication and timing preventing tens of thousands of men reaching the front line. As an American, I believe that the civil war overshadows numerous European wars from 1850-70 and looks at the comparitively unique in the American continent, siege of Petersburg, and ascribe aspects of ww1 to it, as though everyone should have seen it coming. Besides, parts of the Civil War were learned from, pic related. They're just less glamorous than, shoulda seen WW1 coming.

Tldr: Moltke, if he said that, is wrong, but neither is the civil war a font of missed war experiences.

>>2100812
Pic. Austria and Russia specifically bought monitor designs along the lines of US designs, though they often incorporated other turrets, since Erikson was a fool there.

>>2100812
I don't exactly buy the Europeans (Germans) learned how to use trains from the Civil War. You don't develop effective trian logistics in less than 7 years (before the Franco-Prussian War). Especially not when you have a war with Austria in the middle of it.

Also, if anyone hasn't seen it, Philip Sheridan actually observed the Franco Prussian war from the Prussian side.
https://books.google.cd/books?id=KatHqdbZuZcC&printsec=copyright&hl=fr&pli=1#v=onepage&q&f=false
It starts around chapter 15/16

>>2100836
I doubt it entirely, considering their efficient mobilization in 66' against Austria was a major factor in their victory. On the other hand, Prussia isn't the entirety of Europe. Unless you are attempting to say the French aren't Euros, which for 1870 is an interesting argument.
Also, Prussia had an observer who accompanied CSA armies during the civil war, Justus Scheibert. He was impressed by how both sides used Cav, and the destructive power of rifled cannon. He also has book, translated in English here, I think, thoughive not read it fully.
https://archive.org/details/prussianobserves00sche_0/page/n8/mode/1up

>>2100842
>Justus Scheibert
Ahhhh that was the guy I had in mind, thanks for bringin him up again

>>2100836
>You don't develop effective trian logistics in less than 7 years

why the fuck wouldn't you? This is not that difficult to learn, especially when there's an example to reference. It should not take you more than 3 years to learn how to run trains on time.

>>2100885
I don't think he was referring to train schedules, but rather to actually laying the rails, which might not necessarily be where you want or need them.

Currently reading Scheibert's report.
It's pretty funny how he is constantly calling the Union a bunch of fucking noobs (despite fanboying a bit for McClellan) and completely fawning over southern officers.
He is also talking about how Lee told him why he doesn't equip his troops with breechloaders: Because dudes would just rapid fire and be out of ammo pretty quickly, so he admittedly let them fire slower in order to make "every shot count".

>>2100837
is there a trick to reading these google books that i'm missing? they're never complete for me, with missing pages, and in this case, the whole thing cuts off like 40 pages before the chapters you're referring to. do i need to be subscribed to some premium service for full access?

>>2102040
Oh, I don't know. It has the ones for me, but it does cut random sections, I figured it would always cut the same sections. Maybe there's one on the Internet archive as well

>>2101090
Did germany go from no rails to the unification in 7 years? Cause that is really fast. I'd assumed rails spread to the continent not long after UK invented them.

>>2102070
>Did germany go from no rails to the unification in 7 years?
Of course not silly anon :3, and that is also not what I said.

So, how does enemy troop replenishment during multi-day battles work? Do they always start each day with full force or are they also subjected to losses taken earlier?

Gettysburg done. Managed to do better than the original Union. Granted, I play on Easy, but I'm a fucking noob, so I am happy to be able to reduce my casualties.
It was pretty funny though, each day I basically managed to (almost) completely eradicate all CSA troops.
Next up is Chikamauga, which I fully intend on turning into a victory.

I am already thrilled to start a Rebel campaign with what I know now.

>>2102189
>>2100769
>those fucking troop numbers
is this guy a savant or is the campaign that charitable to union players.
i knew the csa was supposed to be the underdog and that's why i picked it but even though i thought i stomped, for me every battle had me at a numerical disadvantage. i assumed the game just stacked the odds against you because darth didn't know how to create difficulty otherwise. is the union campaign just inherently easier.

>>2102252
As I said, I play on Easy, which gives +25% troops for the Union.
But yeah, the Union is quantity over quality.

>>2102262
>>2102252
I'm sorry, I was wrong: Colonel difficulty also gives -15% strength to enemy forces

>>2101944
I'm wondering, having not read it yet, if it has to do with some of the similarities of Prussian Junker Elites to the Southern Generals. Protestant, landowning career military men speak more to the Prussians of 63' than the more cosmopolitan north. Just a guess.

I agree on breechloadeds and repeaters, the South had plenty of logistics problems already, adding in that much small arms usage on top would be insane. I've only had supply matter in a couple civil war games, Civil War generals 2 and Grand Tactician. I shot away all my artillery ammunition in both regularly, and southern founders didn't keep up.

>>2102631
>Protestant, landowning career military men speak more to the Prussians of 63' than the more cosmopolitan north
>cosmopolitan north
lol, lmao even
That said, you are pretty close with your assessment.
He spends an entire paragraph on southern officer superiority, at least considering (lower rank) non-west-point officers, because, according to him, them being plantation owners and used to ordering and caring for slaves already set them up to be successful officers, unlike northerner officers who were basically randos who didn't know any more about warfare than the soldiers they were supposed to lead.

>>2102676
Figured as much. May have been a little flippant using cosmopolitan, but from a Prussian point of view, it might as well be. Hell, Franz Sigell, a complete incompetent, was promoted to Brigadier General in the Union army specifically to appeal to German immigrants, and he rose against the Grand Dutchy of Baden in 48'. Hardly a man you want on your side to appeal to the Prussians.
Still, it's always interesting reading personal accounts, so much we read now a days has the benefit of memoirs and letters not available at the time.
Another one, though it's a bit of a hard read due to a chronic case of Southern English, is Company Aytch. Personal diary of a Confederate volunteer, just an Infantryman, who fought through Shiloh and Chickamauga.

>>2076126 (OP)
Master of Command looks promising.

>>2100837
The problem with Sherian's trip to Europe was that he treated the whole trip like a vacation. I put serious doubt that he really meant what he said that there was nothing to learn, and rather, he probably wasn't paying a lot of attention at all and was mostly just enjoying himself. His behavior was exceptionally unprofessional.

>>2102730
I-Is that a Seven Years War game?
But why does it look like mobileshit?

>>2102800
the first game looked even worse. this is an improvement.