even better than StarCraft or Age of Empires?
I’ve played tons of RTS games over the years — StarCraft II, AoE2 DE, even newer titles like Company of Heroes 3 — but I keep coming back to Zero Hour.

It’s faster than AoE, more explosive than StarCraft, and the generals system adds a unique layer of strategy that I feel is still unmatched.

Yes, it’s a bit janky and outdated in terms of graphics, but no other RTS gives me the same adrenaline rush during late-game battles.

Am I crazy? Or does Zero Hour deserve way more recognition than it gets?

it's the best RBT game of that genre (Resource-gathering, Base-building, Tactics)

>>2076682
I don't get it

>>2076683
It's the best of the games that derive their gameplay from the Dune rts, not the overall best rts.

Still played competitively, for what it's worth

>>2076686
Let me guess, you think dawn of war and coh are rts

>>2076690
RTS means real-time strategy game. Theres no pre-requisite for resource harvesting or basebuilding. This is just a convention sone autistic morons (you) like.

>>2076682
your force has ended two years ago, cease

>>2076690
They are, even DoW 2, although it went more into Real Time Tactics and MOBA, subgenres of Real Time Strategy

>>2076668 (OP)
No.

>>2076707
Theres no such thing as RTT genre, well there was it was "Tactics" genre, referring to games like Fallout tactics and Commandos style games, squad level management games.

"RTT" was coined by a couple of autistic Starcraft fans on wikipedia, they were upset because the Supcom creator basically said (Starcraft) style games aren't really good strategy games. There isn't much strategy involved in them.
The autists got insanely butthurt over this and retroactively relabelled 99% of the RTS genre as "RTT" all except Starcraft style games they kept as RTS (giving away the absolute butthurt). The term RTT was never used for any of these games at the time in the marketing, magazines or even box description.

>>2076704
I was proven 100% right and vindicated when Stormgate failed.

>>2076785
How exactly you were proven right and vindicated?

>>2076682
>RBT
Now that's a forced meme I haven't seen in a while

>>2076783
RTT isn't a genre, it is a sub-genre, but personally i see it like this, SC, C&C SoupCom ect. are classical RTS games the way Westwood coined the term to explain what Dune 2 is. Games where you command units but don't have base building or resource gathering and main focus is on the army are RTT, World in Conflict, End War. Then you have Grand Strategy Games like Total War where you have real time combat and turn-based movement, building and decision making on global map. And then you have MOBA where you command just one guy, most of the time. And all of that falls under the Strategy

>>2076668 (OP)
How does it feel to be a scum sucking, semen slurping, ass ravaged faggot redditor?

It's a horrible mess to play if you have more than 5 vehicles moving together, had bad graphics, but good effects
And most importantly, it is the single greatest encapsulation and satire of the post 9/11, pre Obama world

>>2076785
>catering primarily to compfags doesn't work example #54687 somehow is an argument in favor of my dumb acronym

>>2076668 (OP)
Zero Hour was unpolished and rushed.
Generals was a great hit when it was published right around the Invasion of Iraq. It was matching the spirit of the times. It may be one of the most favourite games among RTS fans, but why would it be the best?

And some of the retarded units are breaking the immersion.
Like the guided Scorpion missiles.
Or the Tomahawks that are two steps away from falling in range for scrapheap land units.
Patriots shooting at tanks...

I am happy that Generals 2 failed, because the idiotic art style and retarded anime characters would have made me seethe.
Generals 1 was good with following a somewhat grounded direction.

>>2077782
>Like the guided Scorpion missiles.
Plenty of Soviet-era tanks had roof mounted ATGMs, the real problem with the Scorpion is that it's largely based off a handful of WWII Italian tanks instead of something like a T-55 or 62 which would make more sense

>>2077714
No an acronym that accurately describes something is a good acronym.
Whats actual clown world is idiots saying "real time strategy" conveys the meaning "resource mining and sim town building"

>>2078297
That was never used in combat.
And we have plenty of encounters between Soviet tanks and American tanks.
We know how these ended.
The damn rocket is overpowered, hits the target pretty much always and carries bio-weapons.
What the hell? I can suspend my disbelief only so much.

I know that the Scorpion would be too weak without it, but they should have thought of another balancing solution.
Anyhow, I still like Generals a lot, but it could have been even better.

>>2078586
just dont talk about performance of western tanks in ukraine with notorious examples of abrams being oneshot on camera by t-72 of all things

>>2078606
It's not impossible, but we have only an aftermath video. So the notoriously untruthful Russian MOD can claim whatever they want.
And against these small numbers of examples we have hundreds and thousands of examples of the Soviet vehicles doing much more poorly.
On top of all previous conflicts that show a similar result.
And admission by both sides how good even older Western AFVs are.
I don't get such arguments.

I am not sure how I would balance Scorpions without the rocket. Make them even cheaper? Replace them by something like the "turtle" tanks, just to soak more damage, while still sucking?
GLA already has the marauders, I don't remember using them much in game. The AI is not using them either.

>>2078586
>That was never used in combat
Yeah, that specific model wasn't, but the Soviets (and honestly everyone) certainly slapped missiles on top of their AFVs at every chance.

>>2078586
>>2078680
Why are you acting like attaching an RPG to a tank is some kind of hyper advanced technology that is restricted to global superpowers? It's the most basic addon you can do.

>>2078721
That's a picture of an Indian training exercise.
There is almost no real world cases of USSR/RU vehicles using missiles in combat.
There are a bit more examples of TOW being used in real life.
>>2078758
Because in the game it is a very powerful guided missile, not a shitty firecracker RPG.

Generals has the lamest setting of all the C&C games.

>>2077782
>And some of the retarded units are breaking the immersion.
I found it charming, personally, and I'm a military autist.

>>2077782
>anime characters
Huh?

>>2083755
>bottom row, 2nd from the right
What's Yuri doing in burgerland?

>>2076668 (OP)
I'd like it more if GLA also required power but only for like 3~4 top tech structures, and their superweapon was one of them.

>>2084133
Settings stuff up like Kane was in red alert 1.

USA Air > Stealth = Toxin > Infantry > the rest

Vanilla China is unplayable

>>2076783
Based Chris Taylor
He wasn't wrong
I'm a masters 1 sc2 player and it's really just about copying builds from top players and executing better than the other guy
No one is playing a strategy game it's just apm and micro and macro and build orders.

>>2078782
why aren't you mad at the RPG-7 guys shooting down F-22s?
or the tractor melting buildings with green goo?

>>2083755
First of all, these paintings are a downgrade from the live-action pictures of the first game.
Next, look at
- the GLA polish mechanic general (come on)
- the kazakh junkyard (come on) general that looks strange, but not kazakh at all
- an italian spec-ops female general (as dark as possible heh)
- the female chinese general with her dyed hair
- the EU sudanese orphan general (it really gets bad)
- the russian stalker-girl with the hoodie
- the skinny mexican girl with painted face

>>2085615
Well I can be, now that you remind me.
Rocket soldiers can be imagined to carry AA missiles, although it is retarded in general. They could be a different unit altogether.

>>2085678
I think in Rise of the Reds they did so Stinger Site troopers use RPG's against ground targets and Stingers against air, while you can train specialized Stinger Troopers from the barracks alongside Tunnel Defenders

>>2076668 (OP)
I still remember a 1v1 multiplayer game I had more than 15 years ago where the opponent choose Air General so I picked Infantry general despite never playing it.
I simply made 2 troops transports which gave me 16 gattling men, attacked and won easily.
I still don't understand what he expected.

>>2085678
Yeah I think it would have been a downgrade, but its simply not anime in any way.

>>2085699
the stinger site infantry use AT-4s against ground units

>>2087200
I thought they use those disposable Russian RPG's or some of the newer models they got from Russians before they had revolution

>>2087213
https://generalsrotr.fandom.com/wiki/Stinger_Site

>>2078782
>There is almost no real world cases of USSR/RU vehicles using missiles in combat. There are a bit more examples of TOW being used in real life.
The Comanche never entered service, nor do we run laser systems on Humvees or microwave tanks. Double barreled mega tanks don't exist, nor do flamethrower or gatling gun tanks as they're portrayed. Realistically speaking the Raptor should be more stealthy than the Stealth Bomber, to say nothing of the Aurora.But the Soviets absolutely designed mounts to fire ATGMs from vehicles, from jeeps to APCs to IFVs to tanks, and there exists no shortage of pictures of them mounted as such.

I just don't understand the objection to the GLA doing it here, it seems such a bizarre thing to me. If your objection is balance then complain about the balance, not that a roof-mounted ATGM is unrealistic.

suck my dick mods

>>2083755
>Dr. Thrax canonicly dies in ZH
>comes back in the sequel
But what about Muhammar Deathstrike and Prince Kassad?

>>2089466
As of rise of the reds, Deathstrike isn't a real character and Kassad gets executed post zero hour for betraying the GL A (again). Kwai and Tao are both retired. Tao manages to live long enough to see Europe use nuclear weapons against Russia and comments on it

>>2085595
Vanilla China is tanks. It’s fine.

>>2090085
It's ass, and ironically tank general is even worse. Nuke is basically just China but slightly better.

>complaining about realism in Generals
You do understand that the charm of the game is how it goes heavy into geopolitical stereotypes and purposefully doesn't take it self too seriously?

>>2076668 (OP)
yes

>>2092577
kys

>>2092585
so your point is that RoTR is better than vanilla ZH?

>>2077782
>breaking the immersion.
>Like the guided Scorpion missiles
That's what breaks your immersion but not stuff like Jarmen Kell sniping a driver out of an Abrams somehow? Or the Maurader tank?
Or the US having a fucking Particle cannon?
Near futuristic alt history is the exact reason why Generals is so beloved to begin with.

>>2089534
>As of rise of the reds
What does a mod have to do with anything?

>>2076668 (OP)
It is, it was way ahead of its time.

reddit nigger kill yourself