Thread 2079145

It's Something edition

Previous: >>2065082

more like it's nothing edition

>>2078904
Faster healing is extremely underrated. With just a few monks you can sometimes keep a knight eternally alive from castle fire .

>>2079147
This is worse than release cumans lmao

for some reason frank and mongol players never reciprocate my GLHFs nor my (usually losing) GGs

To the Cataphract dude, they are so powerful there is an implicit gentleman's agreement to never use them. Or so it seems since I almost never see them.

yes, it's me again. i'm asking again for a buff to my favorite unit, the hand cannoneer.

>>2079186
It's easier to just go shitty knights.

Hey guys. Spirit of the Law here. Do not reply to his post or I will personally ask Microsoft to make pastures use 4 vills.
Thanks for reading. I'll see you next time.

>>2079226
Do it faggot I want to see a 100% winrate civ for a week.

>>2079145 (OP)
Campaign when, also they need to separate them from Tanguts

>>2079190
Play Hindustanis and stfu.

>>2079235
i dont play nonyuro civs.

>>2079235
SAAR

>>2079238
play italians and stfu

>>2079254
Africa starts at the alps

>>2079254
takes too long to get handcannoneers, but they are pretty fun.

I guess I am improving a little bit...

>>2079278
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf1DkBQRQj4

>>2079259
start in post-imp

>>2079249
hindus are indoarians, just look at the ghulams, they are paler than woad raiders

>You don't need AP-ACK!
Look at this nigga going similar on score with his opponent at the start of the timestamp to just surpassing him by 10k in score in the spawn of one minute and a half just by the pure force of gookclicking
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2497384916?t=03h15m38s
nice "strategy" game btw

>>2079323
>You don't need AIPAC

>>2079323
>current #1 player on the ladder
is this special or has everyone in the top10 ever done it at least once?

>>2079323
convert to the church of mrslow

>>2079304
>ghulams
The word itself is arabic for boy.

>>2079148
Even just regular monks can make a difference if you have a few already from dealing with other knights, recall a game where Viper was dealing with an onslaught of pikes and was still able to brute force with rotating between packs that were being healed on the downtime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Stn_wNB_fFE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbuvvEW-j8w

Same game, different perspectives.

>>2079278
You can gold single player campaigns while being a 400 elo shitter so I'm not sure about that.

The new Chinese campaigns are kinda easy

AoE2 multi be like "boy I can't wait to micro against 3 scouts with my villagers"

>>2079464
they're bugged to shit, terrible at actually explaining the conflict and quite boring

>>2079468
I have only experienced one minor bug in 2 of the 3 campaigns

>>2079469
I played one of the campaigns and had a supposedly important character randomly die off-screen, got an achievement for something I didn't do and a "choice" I made was reverted the next mission and a guy I killed magically came back to life

>>2079323
You don't need apm is only true below 2k elo

you DO have gold medals on all the campaigns, right?

>>2079169
Never say glhf, it's considered toxic. Because the only people who say it are lamers.

>>2079482
So just get more apm.

It's like saying "You don't need to aim in CS". Yes you do. If you can't aim (or click fast), stop playing video games.

What's your favourite map? Personally I quite like Crossroads

>>2079541
bf vs easy ai

>>2079492
Feels like apm is less important in rts games than having good aim is in shooters. I couldn't get past gold nova in cs because my aim is really bad but I got to like 1500 elo with 20-30apm and I have a lot less hours in aoe2 compared to cs.

>>2079541
Megarandom

>>2079541
Arabia.

>>2079541
I've always been a Baltic gentleman.

>>2079541
Megarandom and nomad both good.

>>2079541
Nomad is the only map I need

>>2079541
Been playing mostly on Highland since 1999.

The hun's castle looking like detinets should be a hun tech instead of a slav tech.

>>2079541
Coastal Forest 4v4

>>2080023
Huns should get this tech instead of atheism, pastures AND ox carts but NO echo techs whatsoever outside of TC.

>>2080061
0 lumber techs would be absolutely crippling for any civ thoughever.

>>2080109
Not my problem

>>2079464
Three Kingdoms is pretty overdone. We need some Song Dynasty campaigns since Yue Fei is quite famous, and second only to Guan Yu in terms of renown.

Got fired from microshaft, so here's the next dumb shit DLC:
>low effort jap rework
>ainu
>ryukyu
Spend the money goyim

>>2079148
Except you would have to get pretty close to the castle with your monks and castles have a lot of range. Byzantines barely use knights which gain the most from healing, Survivalist often fully heals his cataphracts in long games

>>2080164
>ainu
Weren't they literally pointy stick chuckers until the late 1800's?

>>2080170
Just like Native Americans and Africans.

>>2079380
>Even just regular monks can make a difference if you have a few already from dealing with other knights, recall a game where Viper was dealing with an onslaught of pikes and was still able to brute force with rotating between packs that were being healed on the downtime.
You forgot to mention 4 relics lithuanians, I knew before I even looked at the video

>>2080164
>no USA
fake news

>>2080164
How will they split the japanese? Oda, Toyotomi and Tokugawa? Although the latter two worked under Nobunaga at some point.

>>2080193
Shimazu/Honganji/Takeda

>>2080193
Oda and Toyotomi is the same clan since the latter just inherited them after the former's death.

>>2080193
>>2080199
Gotta be Oda and Shimazu for sure. The third, assuming we get one could be Hojo, Mori or Tokugawa.

>>2079541
hyper random but starting with it already explored

I'm actually not concerned about the upcoming DLC at all!
it'll be amazing, I predict an 85% steam rating at a minimum
because the next DLC will be made by CaptureAge and part of Chronicles, it's the DLC after that I'm actually very concerned about

i just played arena for the first time in months
guess what strategy he used against me? guess what strategy the marvelous, diverse arena had in store for me? hint: it required stone
i may actually prefer water maps at this point

>>2080220
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpgOkamEovc

>>2079541
Meadow

>>2080170
>>2080171
Is the "spear chucker" thing just cope for the centuries of humiliation Spain suffered until they embraced spear-chucking?

>>2080228
least irate balkan.

>>2080261
Doesn't sound like a balkanoid at all.

>>2080208
It is
>Ryukyu
Infantry Civ
>Ainu
Naval Civ
>Shimazu
Gunpowder Civ
>Takeda
Cavalry Civ
>forgot the last one
Monk Civ

t. My dad works for Microsoft support, saars.

>>2080266
i always thought divium was a muslim invader in the UK (based)

I'm tired of looking at the chinese main menu background. Any way to change that?

>>2080280
He is Polish I believe, he escaped becoming a janitor

>>2080270
Nah shimazu would be the samurai/infantry civ.

>>2079541
NOMAD

is it me or meso civs kinda suck in TGs?
eagles seem like a 1v1 unit

>>2079541
>>2080243
maps with limited/fixed woodlines are always shit

>>2079541
If i don't get arabia I close the game from the steam library.

>>2080302
Depends on the map ig

>>2080261
>>2080266
He's Spanish, you can tell from the way he tries to pronounce castle.

>>2080286
Disable it in mods yeah.

Finished all the campaigns
Might do it all again
*Sip*

>>2080536
Should do it to see the new castles.

>>2080536
you better have gold on every single one of those

>>2080228
I've only ever seen him get angry at this game, why does he even play it

>>2079304
Aren’t ghulams turks, like mamluks?

>>2080297
Can't really make any use of the myriad of team bonuses benefitting only cavalry units, outside of Genitours. The infantry ones aren't usually as impressive, either.

Just had a Frank player rush me with Cavalry Archers. I don't think they get the cav hp bonus do they? They cleared out all my preemptive pikemen

>>2080718
>Mounted units +20% HP
Don't see why they wouldn't get it

>>2080675
>"In the context of military history, particularly within Islamic empires like the Abbasid, Ottoman, and Safavid, "ghulam" (or its plural form, "ghilman") refers to slave soldiers or mercenaries. The term generally signifies a young, male servant, but in this specific context, it denotes individuals who were often acquired as slaves and trained for military service"

>>2080718
>Frank CA
They'll get the hp bonus, but they don't get Thumb Ring so literally just fucking stand there and they miss half their shots. I guess it's effective initially but assuming you had a stable feudal age you should be able to swap skirms and kill them with relative ease.

>>2080718
>preemptively making units without proper scouting
i shiggy diggy

>>2080228
Skill issue

what are our thoughts on shrivamsha riders?

>>2080925
theyre ok i guess

>>2080925
still don't understand why they didn't just give it a ton of pierce armor instead of making that brand new retarded energy shield mechanic

"Your life ends in exacly 3 minutes"
Then he proceed to panic tower all my barracks when he saw them getting flagged

Was pretty funny, love putting the fear of God to cavalryfags in this game

>>2080990
speaking of towers, i just came across the realisation that I have never upgraded one

it's fucking surreal to me that you faggots complain about "gookclicking" in aoe2 when Hera has like a 130apm while most other RTS demand a minimum of 200 to be competitive

>>2081155
>complaining about people being retards and/or baiting
thats what they want you to do.

>>2080925
they aren't real.

>>2081154
Because they got nerfed to shit. Bring back good towers!

>>2081155
oh you figured out it's a meme/low quality troll material have you?

>>2081184
Try Georgian svan towers, they melt units

>>2081189
>invent gunpowder
>use it for your aphrodisiacs, immortality pills, and fireworks
great job, chinks

>>2081196
I don't have georgians. waiting for them to get added to base game, I'm not getting jewed again.

>>2081198
the chinese invented proto guns tho? proto flamethrowers? and also used it for artillery?

>>2081198
Sounds based to me
NO USE IT FOR KILLING, DEATH DEATH DEATH

>>2080925
I always thought the Indian Master Chiefs having the shields while simultaneously outspeeding Scout Cavalry was fucking retarded. But now their civ has one of the lowest winrates in the game.

>>2081217
its kind of weird that they only added a bunch of dlcs for free but not all of them
i'm not saying to add greece or rome (which includes an entire game) but why not give georgians and armenians?

>>2081233
Because caucasus DLC is recent

>>2081154
The only time is worth to upgrading towers is that if you are defending a mango push with feudal towers

>>2080925
What is it in their hands? I thought it was a mace but it looks like a spatula.

>>2081279
knife on a stick

>>2081281
We call those "spears"

>>2081290
it doesnt look like a spear. it looks like a knife on a stick.

>>2081233
>its kind of weird that they only added a bunch of dlcs for free but not all of them
Why is that weird
"Wow they gave me a discount on this product, kind of weird that they didn't just give me the product for free"

>>2081293
My brain just tried to make an argument on which civs shouldve been given for free based on pattern recognition regarding the DLCs that were gifted and concluded that The Mountain Royals fit the criteria for a DLC that should be free.

i think it'd be funny if they gave 3 chinkdoms and victors&vanquished out for free lmao

3 kingdoms was "OK"
They experimented a little, even if the end result was mediocre
Better than fucking V&V

>>2081312
>Better than fucking V&V
the bar is on the ground lad

>>2081312
>>2081321
victors and vanquished was a decent idea on paper. it was just fucked by the sheer laziness of everyone involved.
four kangs is just shit however. I'm sick of gimmick units. I don't want anymore toggleable abilities. I don't want more hero single unit micro shit. we're reaching ridiculous levels of civ bloat. all that garbage is why modern rts sucks. they also had the perfect way to experiment with new gameplay mechanics with the chronicles system and they still fucked it up. fucking retards all of them

i still dont get why they didnt do three kingdoms for the age of mythology dlc and then do a sinosphere dlc with the five civs everybody thought were gonna be in the dlc (khitans, tanguts, jurchens, bali, tibet)

>>2081338
>victors and vanquished was a decent idea on paper.
a dlc of just campaigns? yeah, sign me up. a dlc that's just a bunch of filthydelphia's scenarios (all available on the workshop btw) for thirteen american funnybux? kill yourself. the allegedly campaign focused dlc doesn't have a single campaign in it, it's just a bunch of unconnected scenarios? double kill yourself.

>>2081344
three kingdoms isn't mythology tho, and they probably worried about tibetan's reception with the ccp (even though the ancient and modern versions have different names in chinese)

>>2081346
>Three of the four Viking scenarios are the same fucking thing

>>2081349
>three kingdoms isn't mythology tho
counterpoint. lu bu fighting minotaurs would be cool.

>>2081344
The original plan was very likely

>Sinosphere DLC for AoE II, Khitan/Jurchen/Chinese campaigns
>3K DLC for Chronicles, probably a less shitty implementation of what we have now

There has to be some meddling going on since they cancelled the AoE III DLC. I hope these fuckers don't rob us of another Chronicles DLC worth its salt.

>>2081344
asians have literally no understanding or desire to understand anything but romance of the three kingdoms. I don't know why it's like this but that's the reality. if you want them chang bucks you gotta pay the cao cao tax.
>>2081346
hence the extreme laziness. including more community map makers, overhauling the maps, new graphical goodies, custom campaign civs, some kind of bridging narrative. a sensible fucking price.
shame we got what we got.

>>2081355
>shame we got what we got.
and it's probably killed the idea of an actual campaign pack dlc for the suits

Ayo westerners be pronouncing it "cow cow"

Business idea: extend legendary difficulty to all the other campaigns. Even if they fuck up the legendary difficulty, who cares? It's optional. And it spices up the campaigns for Old timers. Gives a nice incentive to go through the whole thing again now to get a diamond medal

>>2081357
>cow cow
>sow sow
>chow chow
which way, western man

>>2081355
>asians have literally no understanding or desire to understand anything but romance of the three kingdoms
If you see the chinese comments they wanted the song dynasty.

>>2081359
Sow sow

After playing the three kingdoms campaign I love chattering random Mandarin to myself in the shower, what a wacky sounding language

greeks from chronicles dlc for ranked when

They will split korea into goguryeo, baekje and silla next

Hmmm...new campaigns...
It's honestly a difficult question because so much has already been covered
Perhaps a return to Spain?

>>2081378
regular korea will still be in the game, the three kingdoms (korean) will be separate civs

>>2081391
uh, no white civ focus, too many already.

can we please just get a USA civ? 3 chinkdoms got in, so now it's time for the 13 colonies.

>>2081395
White?

>>2081391
In no particular order:
>Celts
A lot of people have said that they should get a proper campaign since the Wallace campaign is just the tutorial. Robert the Bruce would be a good choice, or maybe something in Ireland to avoid pigeonholing the civ as the Scotland civ.
>Chinese
They really ought to have a campaign of their own, but Three Kingdoms just happened and took all the good options with it.
>Japanese
What the fuck can you do here that isn't just mirror match after mirror match?
>Vikings
Harald Hardrada. He was pretty storied, fought in a lot of places. Could have a fun Battle of Falkirk style alt-history final scenario where he wins at Stamford and becomes king of England.
>Jurchens/Tanguts
They each need one badly, but I have no familiarity with their histories.
>Magyars
Can it really be anything but Arpad?
>Romans
Stilicho. Leads into the Alaric campaign. Nice tragic ending.
>Turks
Mehmed is probably the obvious choice, but he almost seems too obvious.
>Slavs
Idk. I already listed the Magyars on here, we already know the Dracula campaign isn't satisfying for Magyar fans/Slav fans/Turk fans. Who's that one prince who was a big deal? That guy, probably.
>Mayans
I don't fucking know. Are there any good options that wouldn't be better as an AoE3 campaign?
>Byzantines
No one likes the Bari campaign. Make a Belisarius one. It's so easy.

No no no I'm fucking sick of Vikings content after V&V

I didn't buy V&V. Give me a Vikings campaign.

>>2081371
If they're doubling down on the decision to have 3K in ranked, yeah fucking do it. Let's get that Athens 60%+ winrate.

>>2081401
I would suggest Majorian for a roman campaign, fits as being the Last of the Romans and such.

>>2081306
I would not take 3shitdoms even for free, I don't want my Random civ option polluted by trash

>>2081467
thats why itd be funny to give it out for free

No historical research was done for the Tanguts.

>Tanguts Civilisation Concept
Buildings regenerate HP(Non-Fortifications, values TBD)
Pastures replace Farms.
Shepherds and Herders generate +10% additional food
Steppe Lancers and Fire Lancers +1 attack in Castle, +2 in Imperial(+3 total)
Fortifications + 25% hp in Castle, +50% hp in Imperial
>Team Bonus: Reveal the first built enemies’ castles

>Unique Units and Regionals
Rocket Cart
Fire Lancer
Steppe Lancer
Camel Rider
Pasture
Anti-Infantry Cavalry (0 Pierce armour, Trample bleed damage, any ideas that's not cataphracts?)
Mounted Trebuchet

>Unique Tech
Castle Age Unique Tech - Cavalry Archer gold cost replaced with food cost
Imperial Age Unique Tech - Stable Units + 3 pierce armour

>Missing Techs and Units (If not stated, Tanguts have access to it)
Archery Range: Arbalester, Hand cannoneer
Barracks: Gambesons, Halberdier
Stable: Knight line, Bloodlines
Siege Workshop: Siege ram, Bombard cannons
Docks: Horrific.
Monastery: Fervour, Atonement
Blacksmith: Bodkin arrow
University: Treadmill crane, Stone wall, Stone gate, Bombard cannon, Bombard tower
Eco Techs: Two-man saw, Gold shaft mining

>TLDR: Late game defensive cav civ with Trash cost cav archers, Camel/Lancer huskarl and missing Bodkin arrow upgrade

>>2081404
you get a campaign for the Vikings civ
it's based on King Sigurd's Norwegian Crusade(1107-1111), you lead your longboats on a journey across Europe while your Vikings shout "Deus Vult!" and pray to Saint Olaf on the eve of battle

If your civ has more than a single UU, it's a shit civ.

>>2081708
Regional units are still kosher, yeah?

>>2081726
you can have a single regional unit, sure

are there still anons who actually want a vikings spleet?
I get renaming them to the Norse, that makes much more sense, but how would you make Norwegians, Danes and Swedes play any different?

>>2081404
>Viking campaign
>Rape and pillage like a afrinogger until the White man colonizes and baptizes you
What would be the campaign exactly? Vikangs accomplished nothing of note?

>>2081401
>Make a Belisarius one. It's so easy.

No, you make the Komnenos trio and their restoration of the Empire - Alexios, John (the perfect king) and Manuel.

What would people think of a wonder rework? Right now they feel out of place as the biggest and most detailed unique civ buildings while playing almost no role in the game. They could remain as game-ending buildings, just in the form of a massive unique buff or aura.

We NEED Tibetans
We NEED Alans
We NEED Jews
We NEED Plains injuns

Do NOT cross me.

>>2081708
yeah vikings are stupid

>>2081948
>Tibetans
Diet chinks
>Alans
Diet huns
>Jews
No civilization/state until 1948.
>Plains injuns
Meso civ that doesn't go beyond dark age.

>>2081952
OG civs get a pass

>>2081794
I think rather than splitting them into Norwegians/Danes/Swedes, it would make more sense to have an Old Norse/Scandinavian split.
>>2081837
>What would be the campaign exactly?
Rurik, for maximum Russian seething.

>>2081977
>he keeps making exceptions
Just tell us which civ in particular with more than one UU you hate, anon.

who's in the right here?

>>2082018
The one with more upboats

>>2081948
>gigacope

did you know the three longest campaigns available in Age of Empires 2 Definitive Edition are
>Chronicles: Battle for Greece
21 scenarios
>Ascent of Egypt
12 scenarios
>William Wallace
7 scenarios

well now you know, you're welcome.

>>2082018
I don't use r*ddit sum up the arguments for us

>>2082042
Two of them are just tutorials so they didn't count

>>2082042
incorrect, William Wallace is actually a mission shorter than GoG and VoB
>>2082048
without tutorial campaigns, it'd actually be
>Chronicles: Battle for Greece
>21 scenarios

>Glory of Greece
>8 scenarios

>Voices of Babylon
>8 scenarios

2/3 are Greekpilled campaigns
Greek GODS are simply superior, other civilizations just get mogged

>>2081984
I don't think there's any need for a spleet, but a west/east split would be better, sticking with the archaic language to differentiate them
Norse (Danes, Norge, etc)
Varangians (Swedes, Geats, etc)

I wonder why Japanese didn't get a campaign in AOE2 when they put a samurai in the coverart while they got one in AOE1 when it's way too early for them to have a civilization around that time.

>>2082060
What differences would you propose for Norse/Varangians?

>>2082068
isn't it funny how one of the campaigns for the original AoE1 takes place AFTER the three kingdoms campaigns for AoE2, but the devs still tried to gaslight everyone into thinking 3K shit is period appropriate?

>>2082068
samurai is on the coverart because japan has distinctive armor and people know what it looks like
same reason the viking is there and why there isnt a chinese dude. people know what samurai and vikings look like, people dont know what medieval chinese soldiers look like.

>>2082097
didn't they have the terracotta army

>>2082116
no, that isn't real

>>2082068
They replaced him with a nigger now

>>2082127
he's portuguese

>>2082140
nós éramos reis e o caralho

>>2082068
Japanese never got a campaign but they have the most one off missions of any civ iirc

>>2082163
as of V&V, Vikings have 6 standalone missions while the Japs only have 4

>>2082116
Terracotta is Qin dynasty; that'd be like putting a hoplite up there
Chinese soldiery just doesn't capture the cool factors of the west (or, quite frankly, barely even out of the sinosphere)

>>2082077
I said I don't want the spleet and my knowledge of medieval sweden/the early Rus is extremely limited
Norse retain all Viking traits, so it's not actually a spleet
Varangians share longboats and uhh, maybe get wood from fishing because it's an new eco bonus. UU is a war cleric (re-using the Norse Swordsman model) who heals allies around it every time it attacks, as a way of representing both their pagan roots and how their christian priests the fought against the pagans
They'd still be infantry focused, so probably no Arb, but maybe bloodlines. A Unique tech that would improve their infantry (extra armor because of their metalworking?) would similarly apply to their longboats, just like Bogsveigar. Maybe something representing their mercenary service to the Byzantines, or some kind of Kalmar Union discount that all team members (including you) build their next TC for free.
Team bonus increases the market value by distance by 25% to represent the distances in the fur trade/amber road

>>2082215
>could have made a Song or Ming/Khitan(Great Liao)/Jurchen(Great Jin)/Tangut(Great Xia) DLC
>medievalists and mongolsteppefags would've been happy
>no heroes to get the rankedfags riled up

>could have made a Chronicles style(could have called it something else not to step on CaptureAge's toes) narrative focused Three Kingdoms DLC that actually explored the different warlords in more depth and gave each more than 5 missions
>epic heroes and iconic moments straight from the romance
>3K fans would have been all over that shit

>instead decide to make an unholy frankenstein of the two
>one of the worst rated DLCs in the game's history
what were they thinking?

>>2082243
>what were they thinking
$$$$$$$$$$$$

>>2082243
honestly, that's all I was expecting from the big announcement about the 5 civs, speculating stuff about An-Shi rebellion or Yue Fei and the Jin-Song wars, only to be crushed by 3 Kingdoms
it's also super weird now because one of the "problems" was that China, Korea, and Japan didn't have campaigns, and now we also have the Khitans and Jurchens without campaigns. There's a clear audience that only plays Age for the scenarios and compstomps, so there's definitely a market for that sort of thing, and I think having a focused Scenario pack (ie, making campaigns for all 5 civs) would be much more appreciated that how V&V was a smattering of individual (mod workshop) scenario,
Still, this is now making an expansion for expansion content, something that's never been done before for the game. There'd probably have to be some kind of benefit, such as unlocking the Khitans and Jurchen for MP, but that now makes it weirdly redundant with Three Kingdoms. Maybe they could add some extra "unlock the Tibetans and Tanguts" onto the side, the same kind of grift as Return of Rome?
Speaking of Return of Rome, they had originally floormapped adding the other Age1 campaigns for free, so those were expected, but nothing was promised for the K&J, so it's up in the air if they'd do anything of the sort

>Note: the Tanguts and Xia in Mongol3 (into China) are STILL Chinese after 3 months

3k is their best selling dlc so we probably getting more chinese stuff. No way they move on after their sales.

>>2082127
Dunno, he looks like average Italian.

>>2082286
And one third of sales were made by elo boosters.

i wish there was 1 civ that had everything i wanted, so i just turn my brain off and play the same civ all day every day. portuguese comes close, but not quite.

>>2081948
I just crossed you.
Faggot.

>>2082315
G O T H S
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why is age 4 so soulless?

>>2082085
Holy shit I had no fucking idea lmao

>>2081358
I went throught all campaigns on Silver medals just to get a reason to replay them for Gold in the future (which I did for two campaigns already)

>>2082337
the final scenario of the Yamato campaign takes place 196 years after the last three kingdoms scenario

the three kingdoms campaigns end with the Battle of Red Cliffs that took place during the winter of 208/209AD
the Yamato campaign doesn't have a specific start date, however the Yamato Kingship's start is usually given as 250AD, and the final scenario of the original campaign actually does have a date: 405 AD
this however is wildly incorrect as looking at the map I'm pretty sure it's depicting the Battle of Baekgang or something similar, it was even called 'Tang Invasion' in some patch if the original game, and that battle was in 663
the definitive edition actually completely reworks the final mission to make it more historically accurate, placing it in the year 740, that's 531 years after the totally """""Medieval""""" campaign we got lol
it's all a bit silly

>>2082315
It's called persians.

>>2082335
it's pretty high on my list.
>>2082364
i dont like muslims

>>2082369
they're zoroastrian

>>2081359
If they want me to pronounce his name 'correctly' then they'll stop spelling it cao cao.

>>2081391
>>2081401
>>2081435
>>2081862
They should make a DLC that adds Vlachs, Serbs and an umbrella civ called Dalmatians, and it should have a grand campaign focusing around the Ottomans.

>>2081401
Mayan should be this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuknoom_Ch%CA%BCeen_II

>>2082018
Not multiplayer per se, but chasing multiplayer certainly did. The average player does not want esports shit, constant balance changes, and a skill ceiling higher than Bob Marley. Just give new civs and comfy campaigns ad infinitum and ignore multiplayer completely.

>>2082243
This was a last minute decision by some manager faggot to release a DLC at the same time as the PS5 launch, even though it pulled together two obviously unfinished and unrelated projects.

However FE deserves just as much blame because they strung the community along with dishonest marketing and didn't respond to complaints at all - not even an official message let alone dev work to fix the piece of shit mess they made.

I'm just hoping DE has mod tools released in like 5 years or something and then I can come back to the game with this crap fixed.

>>2082315
Italians and Khmer have pretty open tech trees

>>2082315
well what is it you want?

>>2082315
Byz is literally THE civ if you can deal with the slow eco.

>>2082683
This.
Byzantines can do some neat MAA + Tower rush or MAA+skirms. I never liked opening with spears + skirms and Byz gets gambesons so their Longsowrds have somewhere to go in castle.

>>2082364
dont they have the worst infantry in the game?

>>2082842
They have Halbs with all upgrades and up to Longswords with gambesons so until Imperial age you can use them.
I'd also say that Persian fully upgraded Longswords are still useful vs even Mayan elite eagles in imperial.

>>2082842
FU Halberdiers, just stuck with Long Swordsmen otherwise (albeit also having Gambesons) to deal with shock infantry. The former is a bit curious considering Persians have FU Heavy Camels too, albeit nothing special. Lacking a good trash cleaner is one thing, but their main caveat really is the lack of Bracer and some of the worst Monks in the game.

Jurchens have the most flawed Militia line, but have Fire Lancers anyway. Tatars lack two infantry armor upgrades, but they'll probably still bring out the Halbs in trash wars or on a horde of elephants.

>Play different AoE2 campaigns
>Each narrator pronounces the Byzantines name differently
So which is it?
>BAY zan TAYNES
>BEE zan TAYNES
>BEE zan TEENES
>BAY zan TEENES

>>2082890
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/pronunciation/english/byzantine

>>2082890
It doesn't matter because Byzantines is a modern made-up term anyway.

>>2082890
For me it's biz-en-teens, but I assume it comes down to native narrator dialect.

>>2082890
The proper term is "Roman". "Eastern Roman" may also be acceptable.

>>2082890
Basileia ton Romaion

>>2082890
the proper term is "deluded greek LARPer"

>>2082956
At what point did the purple section of this map stop being half of the Roman Empire and become a LARP, and why?

>>2082967
>At what point
under Emperor Heraclius in the 7th century
>and why
they stopped using Rome's language and started using Greece's

>>2079145 (OP)
I laughed my ass off at that khitans nerf, get fucked fotm fags

whats your TG elo /aoe/?

>>2079190
GIVE TURK ELITE SKIRM EVER SINCE I WAS A CHILD I HAVE DREAM'T OF GOOD TURK POST-IMPERIAL AND I HAVE CANCER, PLEASE MICHAEL SOFT FULFILL MY DYING WISH AND GIVE TURK THIS ONE UNIT.

>>2082978
OR I NO BUY MORE DLC

what's khitan teamcomp supposed to look like?

behold, the Roman Empire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultanate_of_Rum

>>2082993
90 lightcav in castle age

>>2082971
>they stopped using Rome's language and started using Greece's
Amazing. Who knew Rome was defined simply by its language. Stupid fuck.

>>2083005
I accept your concession.

>>2082971
>they stopped using Rome's language and started using Greece's
France stopped being France when they stopped speaking Old Franconian

>>2082993
scrush, if this doesn't work, steppe lancers, if this doesn't work somehow UU or heavy cav archers in castle age

>>2083016
>concession
It's a shit argument not worth engaging with. Similar to people who argue Rome cannot be Rome without the city, or that the emperors stopped being "Italian".

>>2082977
1300ish

>>2083005
Then what stops Wales from being the last true successors of Rome, being that they were a polity made by Romans which lasted until the 1530s?

>>2082967
ywnbarr cry me a fucking river greek pederast
Venice was the last true successor of Rome

>>2083046
>Then what stops Wales from being the last true successors of Rome
Complete lack of continuity of Roman government/administration

>>2083053
>Venice

>>2083053
Veneti Celto-mutt barbarians will never be trve Romans

>>2083054
except that's wrong retard, provincial administration centred around villas stayed virtually unchanged from Britannia into the Welsh polities in 400s after the Roman departure, and they kept using Latin for administrative purposes even after the Byzantines

>>2083063
kek what welsh nationalist bollocks were you reading and more importantly why did you fall for it?

>>2083063
Roman magistrates were expelled in 410 in a blatant rejection of Roman law, the legions left and the land became de jure outside of the Roman Empire, various splintering petty kangdoms were formed and they went back to their barbaric C*ltic ways. After this point the only meaningful connection to Rome was that they too got absolutely btfo by Germanic invaders.

Never thought I'd seen the Welsh larping as Roman.

>>2082977
1200

Holy fuck I played against a vietnamese who made elefantes, made like 8 kamayuks, and they absolutely shredded like 10 elephants in 5 seconds. I knew they were anti cav but holy.
I never get the chance to make them when playing incas because for some reason people always play archers against me when playing them.

>>2083104
They deal +20 vs elephants which is similar to pikemen anticav damage but kamayuks attack much faster.

>>2083104
inca are Op with kamayuk and slinger, idk why they aren't played more.

>meso

oh right

>>2083110
That comp dies to full archer. Actually idk why you'd mix slinger with kamayuks, kamayuks alone can kill infantry very effectively. Kamayuk + squirm would make more sense. I wish the castle UT gave inca squirms some statistical improvement rather than just removing minimum range. Removing minimum range isnt really useful by the time you could get the tech, it'd be more useful in feudal.

>>2082977
1600+
Peaked at over 1700.

>>2083110
slingers are just handcannoneers, you need skirms

>>2083114
I mention them both because they are both good in their niche. Slinger are castle age hand cannons and kamayuk hard counter cav and trash. And you have excellent skirms for anti-archer on top.

newb here
i'm playing with a friend and he rapes me with goths everytime by quickly making like 6 militia
i cant keep up with his production, by the time i get the first archer he already has like 5 militia, and usually after he makes like 7 he starts making squirms anyway so it barely matters if i get archers
sometimes he may just place a tower on my gold to basically end the game in feudal, i usually manage to get castle before him but it doesnt do anything, its not like 2 knights can kill 9 maa and 8 squirms
wut do?

>>2083137
Learn a fast feudal build order into 2 archery range mass archers
Learn how to quickwall
Learn how to wall and set up your base defensively
Learn how to lame his resources
Pick civs with good dark age economy
Mongols, Khmer, Malay, Mayans

If your friend is being a nigger then you have to tryhard up

>>2083142
i have to learn all this shit while he just oogaboogas presses Q on his barrack?
i thought goths were supposed to be a mid to bad civ

>>2083144
>i have to learn all this shit while he just oogaboogas presses Q on his barrack?
Yes
>i thought goths were supposed to be a mid to bad civ
They are, but competent players can easily defeat goth shenanigans, your friend only gets away with that gay bullshit because you're not good enough at the game, essentually bullying you because you can't really fight back
You have to learn how to fight back

>>2083137
do you know where he lives? how about you show up to his house with a club and start beating his head in to see how he likes it.

>>2083137
Just go bulgarians and make your own militia. They will autoupgrade in feudal and wreck him. Konniks are also good vs goths.

>>2083137
Bulgarians MAA rush, you get militia line upgrades for free and heavily reduced blacksmith research times, plus discounts on blacksmith techs I think, so you can just outmilitia his ass.

>>2082643
>italians
no halberdier scares me.
>khmer
no champ or squires.

>>2082646
what i want is to play bohemians on every map, but their navy isn't very good, so i dont play them on water maps. what i'd settle for is a civ with good infantry and good navy where i can later do my usual halbs+hc late-game for the land portion. typically leaves me with portuguese or spanish, and i normally go with portuguese because feitorias are cool but i sometimes do spanish for the fast cannonballs.

>>2082683
>byzantines
actually pretty close, but since im a retard i love retreating my units to castles to heal and dont like spending gold on monks to do it instead, so lack of herbal medicine hurts.

>>2083285
You have genoese
So you don't have late imp militia line, oh well
What about vikings? All they lack is HC which they don't need. Well actually, you sound like you want to go late imp every time. Why not lithuanians?

>>2083285
Italians sound perfect for you. Lack of halb doesn't matter, Genoese crossbowmen absolutely melt anything mounted, and pikes are definitely good enough if you just want meat in front that also threaten cav. They also have the best hand cannons in the entire game (they're extremely powerful AND cheaper!) and essentially perfect navy with heavily discounted upgrades. As for infantry, condos are a lot of fun and actually beat generic champions head to head, and don't take a million years to upgrade to.

Consider also the Burgundians. They're missing some navy upgrades but do have galleon with Bracer and super good boom eco for you to spam boats with. Also very hard hitting cannon galleons. On land they have fully upgraded halbs and 21-damage hand cannons and a fun cav UU to complement them. Also champs.

Browsing some tech trees, Dravidians also look like they have everything you want with cheaply upgraded FU barracks and infantry UU, FU dock with ship UU, and full gunpowder roster.

>>2083310
>super good boom eco
Most overrated boom in the game.

>>2083310
>>2083285
and forgot to mention Burgundians can now make Flemish militia from the barracks at any time, who're basically beefed-up pikes.

>>2080760
So we should be saying "ghilman" and not "ghulams"?

how are khitans after nerf

Are the Age of Empires teams being hit by the layoffs?

They fucking deserve it after the last AOE2 expac

>>2079278
I only beat hard AI once, with pre-patch bulgarians and a krepost drop because the AI had a brain freeze moment and only tried attacking me with skirms in feudal. I'm too retarded to play this game at anything above moderate, my eco is too slow and I can't get enough units out for the feudal push the hard AI does in every game.

>>2083570
>Are the Age of Empires teams being hit by the layoffs?
Tell me more, I want to know more about this

>>2079541
Continental.

>>2083373
idunno

>>2083568
>nerf
lmao

>>2083570
it would make sense why they shitout makeshift dlc just to push up charts.

so how do you measure "value" when it comes to killing villagers?
with military units, value just means a cheap army killing a more expensive army, but i don't think its all about price when it comes to killing vills
like, lets say i make 6 archers in feudal, how many vills would they have to kill for them to have got "value"?

>>2083581
Oh, wait, so was that Jap leak real? Since the guy said he was fired before the layoff news?

>>2083863
Vills collect 25ish resources per minute so you just have to take into account how early you killed the vills to gauge the value.

I cant beat spanish late game bro, I lose every single time.
Conquistadors in the back are a fucking pain in the ass. Squirms dont help, they need to close the gap and by that point you're facing his front unit which will shred them, be it hussar or knight line

>>2083911
oh and they are unraidable

>>2083911
Look you know what he's gonna make, pressure his stone so he can't get castles.

>>2081223
nah, they never built anything like a proper gun in either design or intended battlefield role

>>2082387
they spell it "曹操"

>>2084066
They(Chinese)'re trying to push a revisionist agenda because they found one gun looking item in like 2017. Nevermind they never used them in actual warfare, they are trying to claim they weren't retarded all along.

>>2083568
Still busted, just less busted

Why isn't it pronounced Cumen rather than Cumans? Should their units be renamed Pikemans and Mans at Arm?

>>2084299
Because Cuman isn't derived from man

>>2083911
>letting them get to lategame in the first place
you have to know when your civ is strong and vice versa, and try to close the game fast before it gets out of hand

>>2082336
Leonardo's tank and the gatling camel are both real units though, even if the former can only be gotten as an imperial age pick for italians.

>>2082336
AoE 1 remains the king of cheat units, but BabyPrez removed without substitute in later releases is a crime.

>>2082336
CHECK IN YOUR WALLET, THAT'S ME ON THE DOLLAR BILL

Are there any specific techs or upgrades that basically makes a civ inherently trash if they don't have them?

>>2084394
Bracer

>>2080228
What's his issue with bombard cannons?

>>2084394
bombard cannon

>>2084394
halb

>>2084394
handcannoneer

>>2084394
Redemption on monks.

>>2084394
No Bracer
No Redemption
No last archer armor (for skirms)
No last cavalry armor (for Hussars/Light Cavalry)
No Halbs
No Bombard Cannons

i love the monkey head

>>2082336
>Winsett's Z
>WInsett's Other Z
Kid me could never figure out which one I liked more

>>2084644
>No last cavalry armor (for Hussars/Light Cavalry)

>>2084644
what's the closest to missing all of these? Celts?

>>2084394
The current Top and Bottom 5 civs by winrate revolves more around winning/losing early. Failing that, some units depend on given technologies more than others if they're not overcompensated for by the civ.

>>2084796
They used to lack the last archer armor upgrade, but had Halbs ever since the upgrade was a thing in AoC. They had nothing on anon's list in AoK and arguably still have one of the most austere tech trees in the game (outside of Spartans) for raw bonuses elsewhere.

>>2084796
>Celts?
I'd play Celts over Vikings any day.

>>2083028
>>2083003
what about in team games? CA+hussar?

>>2084394
meso on water maps
no redemption
lack of hussars + husbandry

how do i won game?

>>2085050
What elo?

>>2085063
2k

>>2085050
You opponent resigned after 3 second to drop elo.

>>2085050
make scout

>>2084780
>And in 20 minutes there are 20 horses and they hoover around in my economy
Poles are saved by their castle tech being completely broken, once you have exhausted the gold your late game is terrible

Is there even a point getting into AoE2 or 4 if you're too much of a pussy to do 1v1s?

>>2085398
AoE2 has lots of campaigns and you can play non-ranked games with friends, 1v1, FFA or as a team against CPUs.

>>2085399
I'm talking about multiplayer in particular.
>you can play non-ranked games with friends
y-yeah haha I sure can
Is the players against AI mode something people actually play? I'm under the impression that those games are just compfag environments.

>>2084780
u get trample damage and winged hussar plus an amazing farming eco tho, probably works out to being slightly better than generic hussar

>SotL makes video about who is worse, Dravidian light cav or Teuton scouts
>Video concludes with Korean hussars being the worst

>>2085405
Some random friended me on steam and invited me to comp stomp with him and his other friends once or twice. So I can confirm it does happen, but I haven't done it in some time.

Which heavy scorpion is best against heavy cav?

Bro i sent a couple monks to deal with persian eles and they didnt convert jack despite lecturing for several seconds. Wtf man

why do AIs never wall up? trouncing them with 500 hussars in their econ in a team game is making my skill drop

>>2085604
Had faith probably.

>>2085607
AI is programmed to make an urban sprawl in the ugliest way possible.

>>2085644
are there any mods that make AI not jam every corner full of useless buildings while also making them good?

>>2085607
The CD AI used to, but was kinda shit at it. The Extreme AI does actually house wall, but it's not always consistent, usually in one direction that doesn't factor terrain into it.

I've been playing AoEIV and I feel like a retard, the game just eludes me.
Either one team somehow gets a massive lead in feudal and snowball from there or someone masses a game ending amount of cavalry that kills everything and can't be caught by anything that would win against them.

>>2085658
You rang?
I'm still around just posting not as much

>>2085556
Teuton Scouts are kinda passable because you need no upgrades and get free armor.

>>2085801
And if you're going paladins as Teutons then you will naturally get the blacksmith upgrades. It's basically win-win for Teutons.

>>2085656
xtreme SOMETIMES housewalls
A lot of other times it just makes these tight passages which almost feel like misplaced buildingwalls

We probably have 5 more years of Hera S Tier reign of terror. Who's gonna end it? Lierrey?

>>2085904
Where the gooks at?

>>2085778
man loves his armenians

>>2086028
Not as much as Celts

>Play game alone or with randos
>Perfectly fine with losing
>Play game with friend
>Get mad at him all the time
What's wrong with me?

>>2085778
>massed archers instead of massed infantry
who are you... where is the real ghostmaster...

>>2086039
that's actually surprising

>>2086125
he's spamming recurve archers for months

>>2086039
Why don't you play Burmese or Aztecs for those delicious meaty +attack bonuses?

>>2083570
Don't worry even more pajeets will be filling in the spots

>>2083863
By saying how much value does killing a villager bring you are implying there is a fixed value. Lets say you lose a villager to a boar in early dark age, do you think that is just losing 50 food?
You will have to train 1 maybe 2 more villagers before going up to feudal age delaying your timing.
Killing villagers early always has better value than killing villagers later. If you both engage in feudal war and you kill 1 villager and he doesn't kill any that is a big advantage if you can macro properly and click up to castle age at the right time. Also military has value if you use it, even if all you achieved with your archers was killing his man at arm rush that is value because he lost army and you didn't. Make army its a war game.
>>2083911
Crossbows are better, it actually gives you a raiding unit and you should never let him on stone, if he does get on stone and gets enough for a castle shoot through a palisade and loop around his base, if you keep him off gold he can't mass conqs

>>2086178
Nobody uses Burmese for their infantry

>>2086191
Because they have no idea how strong it is to kill villagers 1 hit sooner.

>>2086114
You are probably a different skill level to your friend

>>2086178
I dont care for Arambai, and I dont care for Eagle Warriors
Fast celtic infantry allows me to use them for raiding, almost like Scouts, without having to deal eagles sucking at melee combat
Also 1 age early Armenian infantry is REALLY good, decimates everything that is not a direct counter, dont even need to use rams, can even easily raze castles if these are left unprotected, it's a very comfy civ playstyle

>>2086166
>he was killed and replaced by an armenian months ago
tragic.

>>2086235
Maybe ghostmaster hit his head and it turned him into an archerfag, this definitively confirms that archerfags are braindamaged

>>2086284
>Infantry is weak
>Ghostmaster masses infantry
>Infantry is strong
>Ghostmaster masses Bowmen and Tarkan

Just a heavy contrarian.

>>2086287
Bruh, it has been a year since I played Huns
Also I always love Composite bowmen, same as Genoesse crossbowmen

>>2081404

im temped into buying V&V because its 2.5 dollars where i live
i heard many people hate the campaigns just because the missions are like 6-8 hours long each. Besides that, there is other red flag?

also rate my stats

>>2086406
you can play the majority of the V&V levels for free from the mod workshop, at least try them out before spenindg money, a lot of them are not worth it

>>2086406
Don't buy, they will add it to the base game within months.

Tonight I got forced random into Mongols
Steppies are fun, I had fun

>>2086470
>he "randomed" into mongols
uh huh. i believe that. are you going to "random" into khitans next?

>>2086475
I'm telling the truth. If you don't believe me that's your problem.

>>2086482
You play more than rest of thread combined, so how strong are kithans in 4vs4?

I like camels in AoEIV

What are some macro tips to keep everything under control in the late game?
I always end up floating so much.

>>2086734
That's a dromedary.

>>2086817
a dromedary is a type of camel

>>2086406
>1444 elo
You have 1 more elo than me

>>2086859
>>2086406
Oh and I'm 1 spot behind you in the rankings :D

>>2086736
More military buildings.
Control group said military buildings.

Anybody experienced with the editor knows a way to edit units attributes to make a very large area of effect unit?

i was thinking of making a sort of catapult/trebuchet that shoots many projectiles over a huge area, basically lets say a trebuchet that shoots 20 rocks but with terrible accuracy over a large area

so far i tried with dispersion and accuracy but i can't seem to get the result i want, the most i get is a bunch of projectiles shooting at a small area kind of like a catapult

>send "raiding force" in the enemy backlines to kill villagers
>two enemies respond
>kill both of their armies
>accidentally win the game

>see AoE4 at a 60% discount
>remember that cool trailer with baldwin the leper they posted on their channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CbV8F4I9zY
>look it up on the wiki to see how many scenarios they have in their campaign
>they don't actually have a real campaign, literally just 2 scenarios
World's Edge you lazy motherfuckers just killed my templar boner
I think I'll rewatch kingdom of heaven and jack off instead

>>2086859
>>2086862

nice, im forever stuck in the 1400s because every time i get a 1500 they go full try hard with lame and double layered walls
pure cancer

>Mr Yo beat Hera with a quarter of his APM
If he can do it, so can you

>>2087055
who in KoH do you jack off too? Bit of a sausage fest and the one girl(Baldwin's sister?) is very plain.

what Age4 civ should i try to learn this season?
(i don't have Cross and Rose)

>>2087185
I'm playing abbasids because I like going 2TCs and I like camels

>>2087089

Hera losing to a teuton tower rush on Arena is peak comedy gold

>>2087185
which one has the best hand cannons?

>>2087233
China I think

>>2087060
I heard the 1400-1600 range is mongol picker hell. I wouldn't know cuz I'm 1050, but it's what I've heard.

>>2087250

you arent wrong, 40%ish of my games are vs Mongols
i even ask these assholes right away at the start if they are picking, and most of them not even respond out of shame

>>2087114
>Eva Green
>very plain
holy mother of shit taste

>>2087185
Play English and villager rush and tower their gold

>>2087206
Pretty sure this is just the key to beating him, playing non-standard pressure civs.

There's nothing wrong with picking. I only want to play white and based civs.

>>2087206
Why? Is it not a strong strat?

>>2087294
Take your boars earlier/right away. It's the only way to not lose against Mongols/Khitans.

>>2080251
>How could many names lose to one name??
>Brooo, how could the Achaemenids have lost to Macedonians? They were, like, bigger on the map??

>>2087434
Tower rushes are shit. They were good with Incas like 10 years ago but have since been nerfed to hell. Though they work against the AI, as do castle drops, because it suicides units

>>2087469
they also work against hera LMAO

>>2087473
That's an outlier, a correction to the mean. He wins so much that he was mathematically due a loss and this was it. 99/100 times, he wins against that. The fact is, if you play anything other than knights or crossbows, you're worse off in the long run. For Arena, replace that with light cav, monks and siege

>>2087474
>99/100 times, he wins against that

easy bud, don't choke on it.

>>2087476
Same goes for any player defending a trush really. They might not win 99% of the time, but it's still gotta be 90%

>>2081391
From what I remember, there are only a few Japanese missions, they could make a whole campaign based off just the Japanese history alone. Also more content for Mesoamerica, Eastern Europe and Koreans.
There's too much We Wuz Kangs campaigns now.

>>2082018
MLG sweaty type fags who fixate on meta ruined it

>>2087506
It will be Sengoku and you know it

>>2087506
They only fought Ryukyu if they're not fighting themselves unless we're talking about recent history

as khitan (OP bullshit aside), is it better to use their SL compared to the normal hussar+CA?
I'm not a fan of SL since they are so fragile

>>2087649
>>2087655
Sengoku period would be cool as well as the Edo period.
>in-fighting between the clans
>arrival of the west
>the isolationist policies that followed
>traditional Japan fighting westernised Japan and foreigners.
there are lots of good scenarios that could be made there.

>>2087655
This is not true, they had that one really notable war against Korea and Ming.

>>2087704
Already in the game

>>2087649
I hope it's early sengoku since it's often ignored in favor of the nobunaga era cause of the portuguese firearms.

If I'm playing against byzantines in AoEIV should I bother trying to kill cisterns?

Propositions for the next new civs:
>USA
Self explanatory
>Rhodesia
Zased
>Nazi Germany
TURBOBASED
>Confederacy
Megabased

>>2087757
All of those except the USA are defeated losers.

>>2087836
So, like every African and Native American civ?

>>2087867
They at least defeated each other constantly.

>>2087752
>AoEIV
Are the servers even online still? I haven't heard about it in years.

>>2087995
There's dozens of us! Dozens!

>>2087995
it's actually doing really well, it just gets mogged by AoE2

>>2087757
(You)

the next DLC's civilizations will be the Thebans, Macedonians, Scythians and Pauravas
it'll also get an 85% positive rating in steam

CaptureAge will never fail us
TRVST THE PLΛN

>>2088123
And most of them will be available for ranked. They will retcon the Greeks too

>>2088130
Achaemenids are strong, but can they beat Khitans?

If they added Tibetans would they add their battles? Found out they fought the Tang in the past.

Started Italian campaign in AOE2 and it's just laughably bad with no base building. I noticed it is listed as "Forgotten campaign". Should I just skip all these "Forgotten campaigns" or Italian is just a bad example?

>>2088084
>it's actually doing really well, it just gets mogged by [Previous game]
That's called a FLOP

>>2088147
Aren't the tang the cannibals?

you guys are retarded. the next DLC will be colonial US broadly made into 3 civs: New England Colonies, Middle Colonies, Southern Colonies. i know this because 3 kingdoms were made of the same kind of chinks and it only lasted 80 years and is similarly far away from the actual aoe2 timeline as the US is.
if you doubt this, you're gay.

>>2088148
DE sforza is one of of worst campaigns next to berbera, in first two missions you have to deal with no economy and you have wait patiently for resources tickling, rest of missions is just deathmath. I think on 4th I had to deal with +50 ships on few tiles wide river.

>>2088162
Because of one battle that's the only thing they will be remembered

>>2088168
You know what they say, you build 100 walls and you're a mason, but you fuck one sheep and now you're the sheep fucker.

>>2088165
What about the tories, french and indians?

How do you play a civ that doesn't have strong offensive cavalry?

>>2088148

the forgotten campaigns are terrible overall, only reason to play them is for the achievements

>>2088180

you go archers
the trick of playing archers is that you have to be patient, because one bad fight and its gg automatically. You really need to mass numbers without losing too much map control.

>>2088176
french and brits are already in the game :^). we have enough injun civs.

>>2088194
what about The Dutch?

>>2088180
You get killed by mangonels/scorpions.

>>2087185
well start by telling us which ones you already play you stupid nigger. anyways, ayyubid because they dont get picked a lot.

>>2088214
i havent thought that far ahead and neither have the developers.

PROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>2088151
>pretty much the only successfuly RTS in a decade with a steady player base?
>what a FLOP

>>2088272
>Game that no one is playing while everyone is playing the previous game in the series
Holy FLOP

I want Thracians in ROR, too bad it's abandoned.

>>2088309
you'll get thracians in chronicles and you'll be happy

>>2088214
Burgundians

>>2088312
Not the best outcome, but one I'll have to cope with.

>>2088258
What does SpectreKing think about Dravidian Battle Elephants?

>>2088148
Alaric and Prithviraj are pretty good, but most Forgotten stuff is pretty shit yes. Italians and Inca are pretty bottom tier especially, they're just endless mirror matches.

The composite bowman is one of those units that in theory seem like they're gonna be great but then you actually try them out and they are mid or bad.

>>2088139
Khitans have a very strong earlygame when Achaemenids only really open up in Classical, but have a few odd quirks with the TC upgrades that would need some practical exploration (beyond the gathering one for farms). Athenians are certainly busted otherwise, Spartans in a competitive setting I imagine would live or die depending on how good their earlygame is; a Polemarch is an extra guy, but he is also literally their only discernible military bonus.

>>2088324
they're beastly against heavy cav
regular arb takes 60 shots to kill a pala
composite bowman takes 23
Elite genoese crossbow for comparison takes 18 and is a hard counter (and has the same lower range as compbows)

>>2088338

the problem is that genovese xbow has a lot of HP/armor to compensate the lack of speed/range, but the composite bowman lacks bracer and armor, so its gets fucking destroyed by skirms, even with the ignore armor thing

>>2088340
Armenians have bracer and all archer armor upgrades, and genbows only have 5 more hp and 1 more pierce armor than compbows
Elite compbows beat elite skirms cost effectively, not counting the range advantage, but you should have megatank champs in front at all times anyway
Compbows, just like genbows, are countered by good archers who can abuse range, but against all other unit types they're fucking good

>>2088258
jeetmaster back to his cultural roots, nice

>>2088340
they have cool capes though

>>2088355
Coolest looking unit in the game. Kid me would have been fucking ecstatic about getting the perfect Elven archer unit for my LotR levels

>>2088313
they are belgians at best, not dutch.

>>2088370
>not ETK

>>2088438
No such thing as Belgians, they're just a collection of French and Dutch.

>>2088444
So burgundians, yes.

>>2088258
Wait a minute you aren't playing as Armenians

Can someone explain to me the appeal of DLCs for this game (AOE2 DE)?
They give you campaigns (that are all the same and the bot is too easy) and civs for MP (which are all basically the same).
I love the game but I don't really feel a desire to get these DLC even for free

>>2088481
You know what the beautiful part is? You don't need to get them.

>>2087752
killing/destroying ANYTHING is worth doing in ANY rts as long your resources spent to do that puts you ahead. but yes, i play as byz and yes its annoying to have your cisterns destroyed. keep in mind thats stone gathered and vils assigned to stone that could have gone to other things. we aren't building them for 'no reason'. but like every decision in rts's, it all comes down to priorities. dont sit under a fucking garrisoned TC with 5 spears to take down one cistern and lose all your units like a fucking tard.

>>2088258
>>2086482
>>2086470
>>2086365
wtf are those fractions above the mini map?

Is Return of Rome worth it just for campaigns?

>>2088147
The three Dharma Kings did pretty good for themselves, though it lost hard after them
>>2088173
The siege of Suiyang was just one part of the An-Shi war, which is still the 8th most deadly war in history, not just due to peasantfood. For perspective, it's almost 900 years earlier than the 30 years war and killed 1.5 to 2 times as many people

>>2088490
I liked it

but it depends, do you like AoE gameplay?
if so, then yeah it's pretty good
if you get really mad at academy units raping literally everything, then maybe not

>>2088490
Did you like the original AOE? Your answer boils down to that.

>>2088490
Also mind you, you're only getting it for the new campaigns, the objective best way to play AOE is the original with UPatch HD.

>>2088489
player personal score/team average score
team with a higher average is placed above
players are ordered within their team with the highest score first

>>2088324
Compbowmen are a high DPS glass cannon that is highly effective against melee units with high pierce armor, and reallistically, good vs anything that is not siege, so long they are meatshielded, absolutely shreds cavalry and infantry with high PA, like eagles and husks
But I cannot emphasize this enough, do NOT use compbowmen are a crossbowmen replacement, they have shorter range, shoot slower and low damage vs long range and/or low PA units, they strictly good to melt enemy frontline, if you use them to trade with ranged units you will die, you NEED elite skirmishers or Armenian champions
I love compbowmen because they absolutely wreck enemy cavalry in a few seconds, with the meatshield of my pocket cavalry or my own skirmishers. Dies horrribly against siege but you should get redemption block printing monks for that. Or Warrior Priests. Or champions.

So compbowmen ARE good, but if you use them the same way you use archers they will suck.

>>2088490
While I wouldn't call them amazing, they're the best official campaigns you'll ever get out of AoE I. A pity that any update support is so limited, Trajan would lend well to a co-op campaign too.

>>2088316
They suck. Drav elephant archers are amazing tho.
Honestly Dravidians should get elite battle elephants, the melee armor ignoring gimmick is good but drav battle elephants are so fucking garbage in imperial age is not even worth using, hell even fucking Light Cavalry does a better job at countering tanky melee units.

>>2088455
I got enforced random. Again. Not complaining tho.
Funny thing is that we won only because purple opened the gate for me with a converted elephant, and got orange killed for that. Kek.

>>2088638
>shoot slower
they have the exact same fire rate as regular xbows
their initial frame delay is ever so slightly slower, meaning they are worse to micro, but in a sustained fight they're identical to xbows in this regard

hand cannons have 7 range and do 17 damage. they will do 9 damage to a fully upgraded elite skirm and 10 damage to a fully upgraded paladin. a fully upgraded composite bowman has 7 range and does 8 damage that ignores armor.

what does this mean in practice? I don't know but maybe they should buff hand cannons somehow.

playing the single player campaigns for the first time since 1999, very comfy
can't buy any dlc because of geopolitical reasons though, which sucks
anyone up for casual group mp? could do ranked as well, i think i'm not complete garbage hopefully maybe
played 4v4 ranked some 4 ish years ago, landed at 1086 ELO with a 61% winrate after 50ish games but the group collapsed because it was all zoomers aside from me

>>2088676
Armenians dont have thumb ring, any civ with thumb ring will out-shoot you, thats why I said compbowmen shoot slower

>>2079145 (OP)
Newbie here, Lords of Arabia is filtering me. What the fuck do I do?

>>2088778
get to castle age quickly (use the market if need be, saracen can use it for cheap) and build castles everywhere for defense, then just use mamelukes as your main army for everything

>>2088807
Tried that, but the trouble is, I end up getting spread out with dealing between the other two town centres of my allies being attacked and having to save their asses.
Not to mention, every single faction just ends up ganging up on me if I end up using too many trade units or even if I start building a dock for fishing.
I am trying to rush castle age as fast as possible, but I get rushed far too quickly.

>>2088778
Make army and use it, ez game

>>2088828
a castle in front of the teal enemy's gate just northeast of your base should shut them down completely until you can get some siege to clean their base up
mamelukes should kill everything the enemy across the sea sends your way, though you can make a stable and camels in castle age before you get the castle up if you're in dire need of army, don't forget armor upgrades
you probably just need to get better at the basics, like getting an eco going quickly, make sure you're producing more villagers absolutely nonstop, so food is your top priority, which on that map means chopping a bunch of wood and farming, once you've clicked up to castle age focus on getting a ton of stone for castles, trade carts aren't worth making early until you've defeated teal and red, keep your army near your base for defense though you might have to run save your allies

>>2088837
>a castle in front of the teal enemy's gate just northeast of your base should shut them down completely until you can get some siege to clean their base up
Yeah my biggest issue is I keep getting my ass rekt before castle age. So while this is definitely useful, my biggest problem is getting there first.
>you probably just need to get better at the basics, like getting an eco going quickly, make sure you're producing more villagers absolutely nonstop, so food is your top priority, which on that map means chopping a bunch of wood and farming, once you've clicked up to castle age focus on getting a ton of stone for castles,
I should probably try doing that. What I was doing was starting off concentrating on food and wood for the bulk of my villagers with 3-4 villagers set on gold. But I primarily placed the bulk of my concentration on wood. I wasn't sure if there were any stone queries nearby, so I concentrated on getting gold to buy the stone later (and also for the market, as you said).
>trade carts aren't worth making early until you've defeated teal and red, keep your army near your base for defense though you might have to run save your allies
I see, that might've been my biggest mistake. I put trade carts so I could passively generate gold, same with trade cogs. That was probably a mistake.
Either way, I'll try all this out now, thanks.

They should add Gauls, Germans, Celts, and Huns to Return of Rome.

>>2088638
>do NOT use compbowmen are a crossbowmen replacement
this is funny because usually archer UUs are just straight up better than the archer line
i could never understand when you want to make the switch tho, like, when do you decide to stop producing xbows and go for plumes? as soon as you have a castle?

Do AoE3 and 4 have less rigid Age 1 build orders/timings than 2 does? I like 2 but it feels like any little errors I have in Dark Age cost me huge parts of the game

>>2088959
the first age in aoe3 is a lot shorter than aoe2. I haven't played in forever but I think you click up in like 2 or 3 minutes.

>>2088857
I wanna see Norse and Olmec too. Are there even much other pickings for steppeniggers that could broadly include Huns?

>>2088959
Can't speak for AoE III as much, but AoM is roughly similar mechanically and Retold autoqueues villagers on game start. But they are faster games where you have your first combat engagement by the time players hit Feudal in AoE II.

>>2088902
Depends on your civ, civ match up, map, and the situation you are in. But yes, for the most part, if you can got a castle you're better off going for archer UUs. Most of times.

Plumes are good vs infantry, other archers and are good for raiding, but their -1 damage compared to regular archers makes them awful at handling cavalry and skirms.
Rattans are always good, always make them if possible.
Genoesse crossbowmen are good vs anything on 4 legs and are okay'ish vs infantry, dies horribly to archers and siege.
Compbowmen are almost always good so long you got a meatshield (like skirmishers) and are not facing siege, otherwise in a 1-on-1 combat, compbowmen will lose against regular archer-line
Longbowmen are always good so long you are a meatshield and you can manage to keep your distance with the enemy, slowly pushing foward inch by inch, but are specially vulnerable to ram pushes
Chu Ko Nus are always good, specially against heavy cav, skirms and rams, and can overwhelm enemy archers if the enemy archers dont exploit the chok's lower range, but choks die horribly to scorps and onagers

The only time I'd actually go out of my way to priorize crossbows over my UUs is when the enemy has CAs or any CA-adjacent UU, the most notorious case being against Spanish castle drop into Conquistadors, you are always better off getting crossbows and rushing Ballistics to counetr the conqs, otherwise he will snowball you due having slow producing units from your castle

>>2088993
Scythians might be better for Chronicles
But there are the Sarmartians who later got absorbed into many Germanic/early Slavic tribes are splintering and the Parthians which conquered Persia.
And that’s before the 3 or 4 proto-Mongol khanates but those have been usurped by 3 Kingdoms. As the cool Xinbe are already used as UU.

>>2088847
trade is good but it takes a while to set up and to start paying off, and the resources spent to make the carts are better used to secure your base quickly at that point in the game

>>2088481
The Dawn of the Dukes campaigns are great and definitely stand out compared to something like the Forgotten campaigns. Some of the civs are also unique and really fun to play in MP like Gurjaras and Armenians

wait, so pagodas are actually good?

>>2089342
I haven't watched the video but he's comparing an elite UU to a basic knight and scout, is that supposed to be impressive?

>>2089369
>UU
and?
it costs less gold, has higher stats and occasionally ignores melee attacks
yeah, other than needing that castle yeah I'd say it's pretty impressive

>>2089405
It also requires Imp and probably 1200 res.

Why is nobody complaining about monaspa anymore? The nerf did fuck all. Once you get like 15 of them they still destroy everything in their path, and they are still cheap and fast producing.

>>2089342

Pagodas are slighty better than Knights in melee but require castles, but much better vs range units
Elite pagodas are better than cavaliers but worse than Paladins. Their upgrade is a middle ground between both

>Filthydelphia
why do they keep pretending that terrorist can make good scenarios again?

>>2089575
They have been nerfed to shit

>>2089575
Geogorians went from second most annoying civ to fight to just lame, monaspas deathball are actually counterable now.

>>2089575
Georgians don't have anything besides them and they are of course, a castle unit. Call me when mongols get nerfed and we can look at georgians maybe.

>>2089600
Because it's true

>>2089575
>People are complaining about Georgians
>Release the shupuwingwongwei
>Georgian seethe ends

>>2089636
also every Gregorian metapicker dumped them for khitans so their win ratie and play rate tanked like Titanic.

whats a good civ to play if i hate dogs?

>>2089684
Bulgarians

>>2089684
Arena Ottomans

>>2089684
Bulgarias, definitely

>>2089684
chinese or koreans

When will we hear about the next dlc

>>2089900
if its another one like 3chinkdoms, never i hope

>>2089900
Probably in September.

>>2089900
Give or take a few months if the Chronicles team is doing something. I need more grecokino

Does it makes sense to have a "medium cavalry" classification?
I categorize Monaspas, Tarkans, Coustillier, all camels and mamelukes as "medium cavalry", since they are not as powerful, beefy or damage as actual heavy cavalry, like Paladins, Savars or Cataphracts, but still pack a bigger punch than actual light cavalry units, like Hussars

>>2089900
October if it's like last time
https://youtu.be/O-SKVgig1BQ
are you ready for hellenistikino?

>>2089929
I used to hate how the leitis looked like lightcav despite being heavy cav
But the elite reskin solved it to some extent.

>>2089924
>>2089930
>Greek is Chronicles again yet 3 kingdoms who's way too early in the timeline is not

>>2089932
>normal Leitis has Kestutis' coat of arms(the Columns of Gediminas)
>elite Leitis changes it to Jogaila's coat of arms(the Jagiellonian cross)
holy mother of SOVL

one of the best elite reskins for sure

>>2089935
It's too late to pull back now or it risk upsetting their chink playerbase

>>2089935
Chronicles is CaptureAge's baby, please don't compare it to that 3changdoms disaster
3K is the product of World's Edge's greed and lack of common sense and will never ever be a real chronicle

>>2089940
It's nearly impossible not to upset them tho.

quick. before the steam sale is over, should i buy some DLC?

>>2090009
if you love campaigns then Chronicles, other best two dlcs are right now integrated in base game so no.

>>2090012
if i like infantry civs, should i get the mountain royals DLC?

>>2090043
Armenians are pretty gud infantry civ but I believe Romans are one of best infantry civs so if you really want buy dlc just to play infantry then get Return of Rome. Still there's plenty of viable infantry civs like Goths, Dravidians, Malayan.

>>2090044
yeah i already play a lot of goths because i love spamming their cheap infantry. was just wondering if armenians or romans are significantly better/more fun to play than goths to make it worth paying a couple bucks for.
i'll definitely get chronicles though.

>>2089935
That shit was clearly and unfortunately done due to execs stepping in for that goddamn PS5 port, fuckers have been very mum about it but it's obvious that they merged like two unfinished DLCs to make a hot mess just in time. Sad part is that unlike the chink DLC for AoM EE, that stain likely isn't going to be rubbed out or memoryholed.

>>2089940
I thought they were upset over the same reasons.

Why does the berserk look like a black man wearing orange paper stripes?

>>2090172
There is just 1 skin color in AoE2 and it's light brownish.

>>2089929
Those are all Gold Light cavalry. Just because they beat goldless Light Cavalry doesn't mean they aren't used the same in combat.

>>2090182
it's not about skin color, he facially looks black

>>2090182
are mesoamericans whiter than vikings?

>>2090172
On the original AoE II I thought his icon looked like a rooster

>>2090172
this has got to be the ugliest looking unit in the game
it's also a shit unit so no false advertising

>>2090204
bro has no neck hahahaha

just because bump limit was hit doesnt mean the thread has to fucking die
no wonder that one retard tends to make new threads as soon as reply 500 is hit, this becomes a wasteland at that point

>>2090373
what do you want to talk about?

>>2090378
the berserk

>>2090380
he funny haha

>>2090384
he shit and looks like t-bo from icarly despite being scandinavian

>>2090386
who is the gibby of aoe2? is it the king just because he's fat?

>>2090387
woad/karambit

>>2090388
i think you're right with the woad.

what if they made Outremer into a civ, something that represents the Crusader States
make it a defensive and cavalry civ with the Knight Templar their UU, and give them a unique tech or bonus that increases relic gold generation or give them a trickle of gold based on villager numbers to represent the fact the crusaders were a bunch of greedy banker assholes making mad profit off pilgrim retards

mad AoE4 got a dedicated crusader civ before 2, at least they're still pretending to be a medieval game instead of this bing chilling shit

>>2090482
They will never touch crusaders again. It's too contentious a topic in current year, you are not allowed to view the crusades as good or cool.

>>2090520
Isn't crusader kings about them

>>2090520
why would knights templars be too contentious for AoE2 but not for AoE4

>>2090530
no one plays aoe4 to notice it

>>2090533
But I play AoE4

>>2090520
literally shows up repeatedly in multiple dlcs, but sure having them as their own playable civ instead of Teuton/Franks NPC factions in the desert is the bridge too far

KoH; good movie? me watch??

hell yeah motherfuckers

>>2090567
Congrats
Man I wish I had time to play

>>2090570
thanks. yeah you need to play like 3 hours a day for like 6 months to make good gains. im burnt out through and will probably just play QM casually now.

I wonder why they didn't do the five barbarians period which is the chinese dark ages comparable to Europe, and there's even a Goguryeo state (Northern Yan).

When should I go from casual games to ladder games?

>>2090557
Yeah that's a 20 year old campaign and faction. They will never add Templar even though they're just as good, maybe better, addition as Teutons. The Crusades have been absolutely smeared by the modern political sphere over the past 20 years because brown good white bad christian easy target cause turn the other cheek.

>>2090566
It's a good movie, worth the watch.

>>2090610
whenever you want.

>>2090482
The civ philosophy in 2 is different from 4. Chinkdoms are an outlier, civs in 2 are supposed to represent ethnic groups, so the Crusader states are just the civs that controlled them. AOE4 in contrast is more focused on polities with their variant civs.

>>2090612
>2021 and 2023 were "20 years ago"
but what can you expect from /pol/cucks like you, room temperature IQ morons who can't even look shit up on a goddamn wiki is just par for the course
strongly consider suicide and next time at least pretend you play age of empires 2, you idiotic shit-stirring faggot

>>2090653
aoe2 came out over 20 years ago you ESL retard, stop posting.

>>2090612
>They will never add Templar even though they're just as good, maybe better, addition as Teutons.
The Teutons in AOE2 are not the Teutonic Order, they're the Teutonic tribe (i.e. Germans). The Teutonic Order is basically just the UU.

>>2090610
whenever you want but I recommend beating the hard ai on arabia with standard settings and no pausing first.

>>2090654
the campaigns didn't, but I accept your concession you imbecile

>>2089369
>>2089474
wtf are you talking about, that's the regular castle age pagoda, it has base 3 pierce armor and 15 more HP than a knight, of course it's gonna tank a lot more than other castle age units
in imp the elite pagoda tanks less arb shots than a regular paladin because it has slightly less HP, but still more than a cavalier

New DLC to erase the latest embarrasment when?

>>2090959
I'm not ready for another disaster

>>2090959
it's coming, just gotta give it time you sons of Makedon

>>2090959
AoE IV CHADS keep getting great DLCs!!

>>2091057
well it's capture age project, I'm curious how bad will be next forgotten empires dlc.

>>2090959
they still haven't fixed half the bugs they introduced in the last one, several months later

>>2091111
>Victors and Vanquished
>Three Kingdoms
I'm not expecting anything good unfortunately
CaptureAge did a lot to distract people from how awful the last bits of DLC have been

>>2091380
Victors and Vanquished II featuring Three Kingdoms

>>2091380
at least militia patch was great

>>2091407
Or maybe they just put the Khitan and Jurchen campaigns in there like the Xie An shit.

>>2091409
They already sold dlc so why bother?

>>2091681
Because it's highly requested? Also they had nothing to do with the Three Kingdoms.

>replaying Chronicles
>doind the Achamenid missions
>pic cavalry bodyguard this time
>they're Scythian riders
damn, that's cool
what are the chances they'll add a full Scythian civ to Chronicles?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VL4WZC0J86Y
I think Scythians are very cool.

>>2091743
>what are the chances
Fuckall, they're more likely to go for whatever they think is popular

>>2091813
if you're right they'll turn them into just generic Achaemenid enemies, if they show up at all...
you're breaking my heart anon...

>>2091743
>what are the chances they'll add a full Scythian civ to Chronicles?
near zero

>>2091068
>joan of arc with a gun

>>2081957
>what was the Khazarian Khanagate?
Do you seriously think that all of those juice living within Russia for almost 5 centruries came from thin air?

>>2082336
Because it's literally AoE2 v2.0 instead of what was originally planned by the devs, Empire Earth is still the real AoE4 in my headcanon.

"Hm.... maybe I should pick something else besides Armenians this game"
The game in question:

>>2092476
is full feudal aggro really doable/worth it on that map?

>>2092472
How would you split the ages in a post-AOE3 AOE? I guess you'd start with Victorian Age and end with Nuclear Age, but what do you put inbetween?

How do I complete this mission? Not even a castle helps, the AI sends so many units the castle is firing 24/7 and eventually gets overwhelmed. And this isn't even hard difficulty.

>>2092642
take the orange base with the starting army instead of the Burgundian base, it's easier to defend and has more resources, then come back to wreck the Burgundians. Paladin and cannons are all you need to win the mission, but it's gonna be an annoying grind since the AI loves to micro every individual longbow and kite every second of its life

>>2092472
A vague idea of the series getting forward in time does not equate to the devs planning anything.
Age 3 underperforming and not being well received put a stop on that idea ages ago.

>>2092399
It's a different joan from arc okay

In AoE III whenever units are hit by a melee attack they are slowed for a few seconds so that if you get cavalry caught you can't just disengage in an instant.
Is that one of those ideas that are good on paper but bad in practice?
Cavalry isn't the king of the battlefield anymore but musketeers being both ranged units and anti cavalry already dealt with that and the side effect is that it's pretty much impossible to not lose your whole army in a melee engagement now and it contributes to games almost always ending after the first big battle.

>>2092666
>but it's gonna be an annoying grind since the AI loves to micro every individual longbow and kite every second of its life
YES fucking exactly. I can't even send paladins against those annoying cannon galleons because they're instantly moved the other way. Same for the longbow shits. Thank you anon.

>>2092682
snare was such a well-loved mechanic the current devs in their great wisdom decided to introduce it to AoE2 with the latest DLC with one of the new chinkdom UUs
if you ever needed more proof that the devs don't play their own game, there you have it

>>2092682
I find it awful because formation forces them to move together at the speed of the slowest unit so your entire army is slowed down because one guy got hit once. Fucking bullshit.

>>2092682
I haven't played AoE3 in years, but from what I recall that wasn't the worst part it was the fact your entire formation would slow down to a crawl, it made retreating from a bad engagement almost impossible as your guys would begin awkwardly shuffling around slowly walking away while getting shot to pieces
absolutely dogshit unit response

Camels are cool

>>2092839
>>2092855
What's worse is that if you are quick and deselect the snared unit it has no impact on the rest of your army so it's just a micro tax

>>2092990
that's how all of these anti-micro mechanics that games try to use end up. either they just make the game feel like you are lagging or they require even more micro to work around.

>>2092989
this game looks so ugly

>>2090115
>I thought they were upset over the same reasons.
They are which is why there was no counter review bomb except from stupid redditors.
Everyone, and I mean everyone, fucking hates the DLC. Everyone is pissed that China got screwed out of their campaign AGAIN. Everyone hates seeing heroslop chinkdom civs in multiplayer. Everyone hates that this shit ended up the most expensive AoE2 DLC ever.
The fact that they haven't said shit probably means they're still scrambling, even months later, to figure out what the fuck to do because they wasted an entire year on a lemon.