Thread 2084759

I've got a sudden urge to play Crusader Kings after many years. I'm just looking for a small and comfy campaign. Is CK2 still the better choice, or does CK3 offer something that CK2 didn’t?

CK3 has 3d women and genetics. But it's way too easy that it needs mods to make it moderately challenging. China is also coming out soon.

>>2084762
>But it's way too easy that it needs mods to make it moderately challenging
Exactly like CK2

>>2084762
I prefer 2D portraits over the wacky 3d models to be honest. If the only difference is in models, I would just go with the second game as I am already familiar with it.

depends on what you want. ck2 is closer to being an actual strategy game but is heavily muddled by all the rpg elements attached to it. ck3 is a procgen rpg that has a really simplified map painting minigame attached to it.

depends on what you want. ck2 is closer to being an actual strategy game but is heavily muddled by all the rpg elements attached to it. ck3 is a procgen rpg that has a really simplified map painting minigame attached to it. and they both are kinda shit even at the things they focus on. they just happen to be the only games in their niche.

>>2084784
For example I want to start with a custom character with a heresy and slowly convert the rest of Europe to that belief via character interactions and diplomacy. Combat related things are not that relevant to me.

>>2084785
probably ck3 works better for that

>>2084785
CK3 definitely then as it has much more indepth custom religions mechanics. Just make sure to turn off plagues, they just randomly nuke your country every 50 years

>>2084815
>>2084822
What is the main difference in religion or personal interaction mechanics?

>>2084759 (OP)
Hey, hey people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE4txj_8tqA

>>2084759 (OP)
ck3 no longer runs on my crap pc so i am back in the ck2 mines

>>2085429
nigga just revert to an old version

>>2085074
ck3 basically has building blocks for the central themes of a religion that you can choose 3 of (armed pilgrimages for more crusaders, ritual cannibalism for more interactions, pentarchy for more religious decisions etc).
It also lets you customise the general aspects of the religion (ceaseropapist/papistceasero, witchcraft sin or not, what gender is auto preferred in succession etc).

>>2084815
>>2085441
CK3 doesn't really have a means to peacefully convert foreign realms, though. CK2 at least has the event for when you convert enough counties that your heresy flips into orthodox while the parent faith becomes heterodox and everyone who follows the parent faith gets the chance to flip to the heresy.

>>2085441
What tenets does Islam have?

>>2085452
islam is a religious family in ck3, you'll have to be more specific than that
https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/Faith#Islam

>>2085456
Okay, which is the most based form of Islam and what tenets does it have?

>>2084762
who gives a fuck about china?
they need to make medieval europe less flavourless before expanding to chinkland for chinabuxx

did they fix the events being absolute trash that dont even fit the medieval setting and where you accidentally farded and shidded and cummed all over and youre embaresed by it so you get depression and have to kill yourself?

>>2085469
I do. The potential is immense. But Paradox will fuck it up.

>>2085469
aoe2 denied me medieval china in favor of 3kingdoms slop so now i gotta wait for ck3 i guess

>>2085511
Name a single Chinese ruler without looking it up.

>>2085469
Adding depth and flavor would be difficult because it would mean making new mechanics that have to play nice with existing mechanics. Expanding the map is a lot easier, and also makes for catchier advertising.

>>2085516
cao cao

>>2085516
Wu Zetian

>>2085534
>>2085536
of the period niggers reeeeeeeee

>>2085538
goalposts

>>2084759 (OP)
I hate how most major overhaul mods for both games heavily balkanize the map, and once you consolidate your region literally nobody can threaten you

>>2085538
Emperor Chengtian Yingyun Qisheng Ruiwen Xuanwu

>>2085516
Xi Jinping

CK3 is probably the better game if you only plan on playing it once or twice. After you figure out how it actually works you realize it's abject garbage, but until then you can have fun with it.

And after you do realize it's abject garbage, you can finally take the ck2 roleplaypill and become happy.

OP here. After reading the comments I decided to give CK3 a shot and I gotta say it has way more flavor than I expected. Maybe even too much honestly. It can feel a bit overwhelming at times. It's tricky to navigate everything all at once.

>>2085620
lmao

>>2084759 (OP)
CK3 has too many shit and brap events

>>2084763
Intrigue and especially disease feel a lot more lethal in CK2.

ck3 has tasteless and soulless 3d slop events, ck2 mogs it hard if you're a real human (e.g a 1 in this pic)

>>2087336
>ck2 is better if you go into a disassociative state and simply imagine you're playing a better game

>>2084759 (OP)
>This thread, once more
... when will you finally get bored?

>>2085516
From the top of my head, emperors:
Qin: Qin Shi Huangdi
Han: Gaozu, Wu
Northern Wei: Xiaowen
Sui: Wen (this guy doesn't get enough credit for the monumental work and China would be Europe-like without him) and Yang
Tang: Taizong, easily the best emperor they ever had (and that's saying something after Wen)
Song: Taizong (different guy, but that's how I remember him), Renzong
Yuan: Kublai Khan
Ming: Yongle, Hongwu
Qing: Kangxi

t. Czech land surveyor

>>2087454
It ain't me.

>>2087336
Defend your position without sounding buthurt. How is it tasteless and soulless compared to the second game?

>>2085469
With the hindsight of CK2, what they should have done is gone back to having a map like CK1's that ended at the eastern border of Persia, with both China and India being off-map powers like China was in CK2. That way the focus is back on the crusades, but I think at this point focusing on what the game is actually about is no longer the point.

>>2084759 (OP)
ck3 is worse in every single way

>>2084766
3d models have tits

>>2089498
They took the focus off of crusades because they realised nobody wants to play the christian factions when they can play pagans.

>>2085469
who even gives a fuck about vanilla? Total conversion mods are the only things worth touching in CK3

>>2084759 (OP)
Worth buying 3 now that it's on sale or should I just play 2 since it's free? Can 3 be pirated?

>creampied sister
>gets pregnant
>can't marry her because our religion is gay
>daughter born of 'unknown father'
>can't even legitimize or acknowledge
I swear you can do that in Elder Kings, CK2 btw. We're both Altmer.

Is there a mod that prevents women from being mayors? Or, even better, reduces the frequency of women spawning at all because they're fucking everywhere (physicians, artisans, etc)

>>2090481
No, your game in a medieval setting will have modern egalitarian representation and you will learn to like it.

>>2085429
even smaller map mod

>>2090481
>>>2090554
>>>2091741
>I think I found it.
>"common\pool_character_selectors\00_city.txt"

>So, unless the realm has male-only succession, female mayors can spawn.
>Under "character_score", there are modifiers based on male/female dominated doctrine. So changing that would affect the rate of female mayors.
>Or you could just add "is_male" the "valid_character" parameters to prevent female mayors across the board.

>>2084759 (OP)
Afaik ck3 still hasnt even added republics, i cant see any reason to play ck3 over ck2.
I know these games have a long lifespan and require constant work over many years but imo theres no point playing a sequel to a game that doesnt have all the mechanics and content from the previous one as its base.

>>2089498
that just brought back so many memories god that map was sexy.
Starting as a rus count and being able to expand into the pagans without having to wait for prestige to get claims was so much fun.

Does anybody know what happened to the agot merged mod for ck2?

Redpill me on cream api.
Are there different versions, which ones do anons use and is there any risk?
The DLC situation with this game is ridiculous, and I'm supposing a significant proportion of the player base pirate them.

>>2097782
dunno, never had to use it. old school pirating seems to still work for me, been able to run everything fine every time ive come back to check out how the game's coming along. to be honest im not even entirely sure what creamapi is

>>2097794
Huh. Do you have it on Steam? I assumed there was some level of drm shenanigans.

>>2097795
nope. works out of the box every time i torrent it, full disclosure i also use a private tracker. i am fairly tech illiterate so i cant even begin to explain why it works and i've always been confused about why people talk about using creamapi to make the game work

>>2097782
You go on the ck2/ck3/whatever thread on csrinru and type "creamapi" in the search bar. Then you look for the most recent post with a link (usually it is updated when a new dlc releases), download it and drop the files in the root folder of the game. Been doing this for years, never had a problem

>>2097802
Thanks for the run down.
Looks like I have to register with some shady site eventually.

It's just a russian forum, nothing to be worried about. Otherwise, you can get it from github and set it up yourself

>>2087336
I just don't see why people want to play a less polished game with worse/no content (CK3). CK2 is just better in every way.

ck3 still feels like a huge lack in content compared to CK2. Still I play it primarily.

Winter King mod is peak btw. Slow rolled from Stratclut down and finally formed Hen Ogledd. Gonna try a Sygarius or House of Ambrosius run after this.

>>2084759 (OP)
Here are some points for your consideration.

>>2084762
>3d models
Personally, I find these distracting because the genetics become another factor affecting who you choose as your spouse. In CK2, if I want my heirs to be attractive, all I have to do is marry a Greek and savescum so they inherit the right portrait culture (it's called gfx_culture internally).

>ironman
I've ended up really liking CK2 ironman because it prevents me from just using cheats all the time. Once I have the ability to cheat, I inevitably end up using it more and more. CK3 ironman is super annoying and not worth it, plus the god awful load times make savescumming extremely annoying.

However, because you can also save edit / use cheats in ck3 and still get achievements, you could negate my first point by just making your spouses look however you want.

>conversion mods
CK2AGOT is better than CK3AGOT imo, but CK3 has a lot more conversion mods to choose from. Princes of Darkness in particular is incredible if you like World of Darkness.

After playing both games, I can say I don't really like CK3s army system. Yes, it's nice to "customize" your armies to a degree. But in CK2, you could get heavy troops just by building barracks and such. In this game, you have to shit out a ton of gold to get MAAs that half-way don't suck, and even then you're going to be juggling the maintenance on them constantly. Levies are basically useless trash.

As it stands, if you just enjoy fighting wars, there's no reason to ever stop playing as an adventurer. You get infinite wars with no responsibility and all the troops you want for zero gold.

>>2101645
since when is gold an issue in ck3? minimal investments into your domain is exponential growth

I forgot where i downloaded my mods from
Do they say when in the folders?

>>2103546
Maybe? There might be something in folders' names, readme.txt or you can check when mods were downloaded and then search your browser history for that date.

>>2085467
QARMATIAN SUPREMACY

>>2084759 (OP)
After ck3's characters, it's hard to go back to little portraits

I prefer cool event art over two 3d-slop characters with sameface looking dumb at each other in every event ever. CK2 with every DLC still does not feel like a complete clusterfuck, CK3 with the few DLCs it has *is* a complete clusterfuck, and feels like the DLCs don't complement each other. Teleporting armies is retarded as well so ck2 continues to mog

>>2084759 (OP)
I think CK3 is decisively better now and CK2 feels board gamey in comparison. The game itself is actually better.

>try 3 after the update
>after about an hour it just freezes
amazing work p*x

>>2110362
>cool event art
Infinitely better at setting the mood and scene than stupid marionettes; also makes events more distinct from eachother.

>>2110362
I agree. The only reason I see to play ck3 over ck2 is because you want to play with barbies.

>>2085488
Nope and they never will because they are content starved and cannot afford to gut a single badly written event.

>>2085469
I give a fuck about China but I also totally agree with your statement.

CK2 used to have far more content in general, though CK3 is catching up
as far as mods go though, CK2 wins very easily, CK3 keeps getting kneecapped with updates

also, if you're on
>Windows11
lol, lmao, 24H2 update can freeze your whole system either booting ck3 or during play unless you're able to get one of the workarounds to work.
That's t. microsoft, but still

>>2113421
Microsoft diaper code is getting worse by the year. Hopefully the orange man kills h1bs and tariffs the fuck out of that shithole scammer country so real engineers can code again.

>>2087336
I'm a 0, not even on the graph and I prefer ck3 over ck2. I can imagine a 3d apple on your mom's head while I'm fucking her ass

>>2085469
>who gives a fuck about china?
I do, just need them to drop the concubine limit and add rape mechanics so I can go there as a Norse viking chad and impregnate hundreds of cute young Chinese women as I conquer my way across their realm and become celestial emperor.

>>2113991
>ck3 sissy got triggered

>>2113991
>ass
ew

>>2113991
Does that make the sex better? I'm going to try it next time I'm fucking his mom.

>>2084763
at least in ck2 ai could declare war on you, in ck3 only mongols do

>>2114143
ck3 definitely has AI declaring on you regularly, unless you have a big string of alliance

>>2114164
they have a tendency to dogpile, too. Like in a "hey he's occupied and I want his shit, it's go time" sort of way
there's also wars where some guy presses some random loser's claim regardless of his military strength, I think that one's connected to hook use, but I've seen less of that stupidity in the past year I think

>>2114164
>unless you have a big string of alliance
And why wouldn't you?

>>2114270
Seconded, and how couldn't you? Half the game is about marrying off your offspring, which nets you automatic alliances.

>>2085512
>aoe2
this is not even remotely in the same genre

>>2114164
>unless you have a big string of alliance

>>2084759 (OP)
I can't stand this game's stupidity.
Look, pic related, it is only 20 years in.
What happened was:
>France lost most of France to occitan peasant revolter
>who founded the kingdom of the Occitans
>the guy's capital in Bordeaux while the of his kingdom was an exclave
>the exclave rule usurped 95% of his kingdom and gave it to a newly generated guy (Duke of Orleans)
>Duke of Orleans then immediately became a tributary of England

So, most of the French nobility has been kicked out and unlanded.
You think the Duke of Orleans and his army of 50 men would swear fealty to France (who has the same culture and religion), but instead, he sucks up to foreign England.
Best part is, the game doesn't even let France reconquer Orleans in one war.

>>2115607
Why did you fuck things up like that?

>>2115670
I literally had nothing to do with that, it's all AI don't even play in France

>>2115674
I'm playing in France RIGHT NOW nigga, and coincidentally I'm about to create the duchy of Orleans when I can scrape up the shekels.
Where have you been playing, and is it kino? My favorite CK2 campaign was in Central Asia.

>>2115681
Barcelona in that pic.

>>2089498
>eurocentric
very problematic and not kosher

>>2085701
>way more flavor than I expected. Maybe even too much honestly. It can feel a bit overwhelming at times. It's tricky to navigate everything all at once.
wut
What does flavor have to do with navigation and being overwhelmed

>>2115607
In the Hundred Years War, England actively wanted to control France. Not too far fetched. But Idk why that dude has 50 guys.

>>2115979
>In the Hundred Years War, England actively wanted to control France.
Sure, but in this case event just gave most of France to the newly-generated character.
>But Idk why that dude has 50 guys.
Duke's vassal limit is 20. Each vassal over it gives -5% levies.
That guy has 49 vassals.
Which means he has -95% levies (as that is cap).

>>2114270
Because you also need to breed children for Genius traits and then make them fuck each other

>>2116121
>and then make them fuck each other
Is this step necessary?

>>2114143
Are you kidding? I feel like I could count on my hands in my 1000 hours of CK2 the amount of times the AI declared war on me

have 400 hours in ck3 and legit havent seen tits this big
https://files.catbox.moe/96simh.PNG

>>2089582
You’re meant to start as a Viking, invade some kingdom in Christendom, convert, go in Crusade, etc.
But I think most players get bored after their first character dies, or at most their grandson.

>>2116628
Hot. Breed her to acquire genes. Lol.

Automated armies just pissed away my 40k troop army for literally no gain in a massive series of inexcusable fuckups. Does it not know about disembark penalties? I like using it because micromanaging a massive army is so fucking boring, but the one time it really mattered it dropped the spaghetti so hard that I went from +49% warscore against the HRE to -52%.

>>2116638
>You’re meant to start as a Viking
yes
>invade some kingdom in Christendom
yes
>convert
fucking gay, why do that when you could burn them at the stake?

>But I think most players get bored after their first character dies, or at most their grandson.
tbqh what gets me bored is how frail and insubstantial the pop/eco system is. When I play Victoria 2 or even say, Stellaris, there's at least a sense that my pops and industrial base do exist. When I play CK3 or EU4 or suchlike, I feel like it's just empty tiles with modifiers. It just feels hollow and pointless.

>>2116628
how come no female characters have a bush?

>regencies don't take in account the regent's stats for anything other than the stupid 3 regent tasks
Yeah good job Paradox. My regent is a bumbling retard regarding economical matters but that doesn't matter because the only stat that matters is mine. How the fuck is every single mechanic from CK2 that they remake worse?

>>2116957
Everything is retarded related council.
Your steward's stewardship doesn't impact your domain limit (only your spouse's does). Which is the most retarded thing, because the steward's entire job was managing the lord's domain.

are there any mods that reduce the swarthiness in CK3? you get down into the Mediterranean and WOO lotta falafel grooming gangs. just want to reduce the melanin in general, i'm fine with nighttime in Nigeria as long as it stays in Nigeria.

>>2084762
just play as a non-christian and start steamrolling the christcucks. before long the gay pope will call a crusade and you'll have doomstacks rolling in.
it's extremely gay and shitty, no one would call a crusade to take back Ireland. come on.

>>2116628
>>2116925
Not that big but decent sagg.

Do trannies really love Paradox games as much as 4chan says they do? I would kill for a cute tranny gf to fuck and get fucked by in between CK3 binges together.

>>2116369
It's okay that you can't read Anon.

>>2119167
I also want to know this.

>>2084759 (OP)
how much do you think they're going to charge for this crap
>couple of "events" basically text and static art
>maybe a cool gameplay mechanic (probably not)
minimum $20
i hate this company so much

>>2094773
A virtuous company would put in the work on their spreadsheet game with minimal assets and continually expand it.
Paradox Interactive isn't that kind of company. They shovel out buggy garbage and demand extra money for the "favor" they've done you. It's fucking disgusting and I hate people that support it. Incredibly gross business practices.
CK3 is now couple hundred dollars for the full game and it's watered down garbage. The only reason I won CK2 was because I got the whole thing in a Humble Bundle.
Nothing would please me more than to hear their studio had been the victim of a spree killer. Virtue obviously isn't going to convince them to stop being shitheels. Only violence.

>>2119167
That's gay

>>2115979
>>2116058
>England actively wanted to control France
Jesus Christ fucking retards, go read an actual history book.
Edward III has a personal claim to the throne of France from his mother, who was the last surviving child of king Philip IV.
It wasn't "England vs France", it was a conflict between the house of Plantagenet and the house of Valois on which one had the legitimate right to inherit the throne of France after the Capetian male-line went extinct. Edward III styled himself as the rightful king of France and many local nobles preferred him and joined his army (a sizable chunk of the "English" army at Crécy were Franco-Normans and Flemish who joined Edward III after he crossed the channel).
It's not like "England" just decided to invade France for no reason and even in a hypothetical scenario of total Plantagenet victory, it's not like the continental holdings would have been annexed into England, they would have remained as a separate kingdom of France.
England and Scotland were separate kingdoms with the same king for two centuries before they were actually joined together into a single realm, and that was long after the Middle Ages.

Why do people say CK3 has "deeper" roleplay mechanics? Because you can choose which stat modifier your religion shits out? How is that deeper? Because you can click through the same 5 recycled events when you go on a tour through your kingdom?

>>2131160
>England and Scotland were separate kingdoms with the same king for two centuries before they were actually joined together into a single realm, and that was long after the Middle Ages.
and they only joined together because the Scottish government bankrupted itself investing in colonization schemes that didn't work and the only way they could come up with enough money to bail themselves out was to literally sell their nominal independence to England

>>2131173
don't get it either, culture and religion in ck3 are the most generic shit imaginable

>>2131452
And I'm not saying CK2 is miles better but fucks sake, sequels are supposed to improve on the previous iteration.

>>2131160
I did read a book. War of the Roses by Dan Jones. It's basically what happened though. Of course nation states didn't exist. Of course I didn't say they invaded for no reason. Don't create strawmans. It's a simplification. An 'English' king pressed his claim to the French throne. If you consider him french or not idc. Both kingdoms would've been controlled by Edward if he was successful. Did Edward not want to control France? Is that your argument? I just found it weird, op thinks it's weird that England is involved in France.

>>2131491
I also think that France could've been integrated.Much like Scotland given enough time.

>>2130748
DLC model itself ruining the game, because all new mechanics need to be self-contained

>>2131491
>Did Edward not want to control France
He actually didn't, it was more of Henry V's wet dream.
Edward used his claim as leverage.
When the direct line of the Capetians died out, they were succeeded by Valois, and Edward acknowledged them as the rightful kings of France.
However, they had growing tensions over English-held Aquitaine. Edward kept harboring enemies of the Valois, so King Philip IV used it as an excuse to revoke Aquitaine from Edward, which started the war. Only after that act, Edward declared himself king of France as a fuck you.
After thirty years of fighting, Edward captured Philip IV's successor, John II, and made him sign a treaty where, in exchange for Aquitaine becoming a "sovereign lordship", Edward would forfeit his claim on France.

>>2130748
crusader kangz

>>2131173
the mechanics introduced in CK3 allow for wider roleplaying options. You can say it's event slop or whatever but it is what it is. If I want to larp as an old Byzantine magnate who uses his country estate's wealth to push his sons into powerful political positions, I can do that. If I want to larp as a Byzantine imperial prince who grows up in Khazar lands as part of a hostage exchange before starting his own nomadic band and then returning to place himself on the throne with an army of horse archers, I can do that. You can merge cultures, you can start new religions, there's all sorts of things you can do. CK2 has some stuff CK3 doesn't yet, but CK3 overall has more now.

>>2131959
>You can merge cultures, you can start new religions
And both are collections of modifers, awe-inspiring RP.
I miss Imperator where you could design status of each culture, so you could make Gauls into slave-race and Jews into aristocratic caste

>>2114292
Only the sons. Daughters are for personal use.

>>2131959
You could do all this in CK2 and more and have much more fun with it. But a soulless shill like you will never admit that.

>>2131959
Yeah I'm with the other anons. CK2 has stat modifiers too. The only changing thing you mentioned in your post is the landless gameplay but its just more event spam that gets old after one playthrough.

>>2131173
There's nothing "deep" about it, but it's a lot easier to roleplay when you're playing as a specific person and not as some abstract spirit of a nation

Decided to redraw the low countries' province borders for my mod since vanilla ones are genuinely unbearable. WIP

>>2132059
Counties overlay