I've got a sudden urge to play Crusader Kings after many years. I'm just looking for a small and comfy campaign. Is CK2 still the better choice, or does CK3 offer something that CK2 didn’t?

CK3 has 3d women and genetics. But it's way too easy that it needs mods to make it moderately challenging. China is also coming out soon.

>>2084762
>But it's way too easy that it needs mods to make it moderately challenging
Exactly like CK2

>>2084762
I prefer 2D portraits over the wacky 3d models to be honest. If the only difference is in models, I would just go with the second game as I am already familiar with it.

depends on what you want. ck2 is closer to being an actual strategy game but is heavily muddled by all the rpg elements attached to it. ck3 is a procgen rpg that has a really simplified map painting minigame attached to it.

depends on what you want. ck2 is closer to being an actual strategy game but is heavily muddled by all the rpg elements attached to it. ck3 is a procgen rpg that has a really simplified map painting minigame attached to it. and they both are kinda shit even at the things they focus on. they just happen to be the only games in their niche.

>>2084784
For example I want to start with a custom character with a heresy and slowly convert the rest of Europe to that belief via character interactions and diplomacy. Combat related things are not that relevant to me.

>>2084785
probably ck3 works better for that

>>2084785
CK3 definitely then as it has much more indepth custom religions mechanics. Just make sure to turn off plagues, they just randomly nuke your country every 50 years

>>2084815
>>2084822
What is the main difference in religion or personal interaction mechanics?

>>2084759 (OP)
Hey, hey people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE4txj_8tqA

>>2084759 (OP)
ck3 no longer runs on my crap pc so i am back in the ck2 mines

>>2085429
nigga just revert to an old version

>>2085074
ck3 basically has building blocks for the central themes of a religion that you can choose 3 of (armed pilgrimages for more crusaders, ritual cannibalism for more interactions, pentarchy for more religious decisions etc).
It also lets you customise the general aspects of the religion (ceaseropapist/papistceasero, witchcraft sin or not, what gender is auto preferred in succession etc).

>>2084815
>>2085441
CK3 doesn't really have a means to peacefully convert foreign realms, though. CK2 at least has the event for when you convert enough counties that your heresy flips into orthodox while the parent faith becomes heterodox and everyone who follows the parent faith gets the chance to flip to the heresy.

>>2085441
What tenets does Islam have?

>>2085452
islam is a religious family in ck3, you'll have to be more specific than that
https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/Faith#Islam

>>2085456
Okay, which is the most based form of Islam and what tenets does it have?

>>2084762
who gives a fuck about china?
they need to make medieval europe less flavourless before expanding to chinkland for chinabuxx

did they fix the events being absolute trash that dont even fit the medieval setting and where you accidentally farded and shidded and cummed all over and youre embaresed by it so you get depression and have to kill yourself?

>>2085469
I do. The potential is immense. But Paradox will fuck it up.

>>2085469
aoe2 denied me medieval china in favor of 3kingdoms slop so now i gotta wait for ck3 i guess

>>2085511
Name a single Chinese ruler without looking it up.

>>2085469
Adding depth and flavor would be difficult because it would mean making new mechanics that have to play nice with existing mechanics. Expanding the map is a lot easier, and also makes for catchier advertising.

>>2085516
cao cao

>>2085516
Wu Zetian

>>2085534
>>2085536
of the period niggers reeeeeeeee

>>2085538
goalposts

>>2084759 (OP)
I hate how most major overhaul mods for both games heavily balkanize the map, and once you consolidate your region literally nobody can threaten you

>>2085538
Emperor Chengtian Yingyun Qisheng Ruiwen Xuanwu

>>2085516
Xi Jinping

CK3 is probably the better game if you only plan on playing it once or twice. After you figure out how it actually works you realize it's abject garbage, but until then you can have fun with it.

And after you do realize it's abject garbage, you can finally take the ck2 roleplaypill and become happy.

OP here. After reading the comments I decided to give CK3 a shot and I gotta say it has way more flavor than I expected. Maybe even too much honestly. It can feel a bit overwhelming at times. It's tricky to navigate everything all at once.

>>2085620
lmao

>>2084759 (OP)
CK3 has too many shit and brap events

>>2084763
Intrigue and especially disease feel a lot more lethal in CK2.

ck3 has tasteless and soulless 3d slop events, ck2 mogs it hard if you're a real human (e.g a 1 in this pic)

>>2087336
>ck2 is better if you go into a disassociative state and simply imagine you're playing a better game

>>2084759 (OP)
>This thread, once more
... when will you finally get bored?

>>2085516
From the top of my head, emperors:
Qin: Qin Shi Huangdi
Han: Gaozu, Wu
Northern Wei: Xiaowen
Sui: Wen (this guy doesn't get enough credit for the monumental work and China would be Europe-like without him) and Yang
Tang: Taizong, easily the best emperor they ever had (and that's saying something after Wen)
Song: Taizong (different guy, but that's how I remember him), Renzong
Yuan: Kublai Khan
Ming: Yongle, Hongwu
Qing: Kangxi

t. Czech land surveyor

>>2087454
It ain't me.

>>2087336
Defend your position without sounding buthurt. How is it tasteless and soulless compared to the second game?

>>2085469
With the hindsight of CK2, what they should have done is gone back to having a map like CK1's that ended at the eastern border of Persia, with both China and India being off-map powers like China was in CK2. That way the focus is back on the crusades, but I think at this point focusing on what the game is actually about is no longer the point.

>>2084759 (OP)
ck3 is worse in every single way

>>2084766
3d models have tits

>>2089498
They took the focus off of crusades because they realised nobody wants to play the christian factions when they can play pagans.

>>2085469
who even gives a fuck about vanilla? Total conversion mods are the only things worth touching in CK3

>>2084759 (OP)
Worth buying 3 now that it's on sale or should I just play 2 since it's free? Can 3 be pirated?

>creampied sister
>gets pregnant
>can't marry her because our religion is gay
>daughter born of 'unknown father'
>can't even legitimize or acknowledge
I swear you can do that in Elder Kings, CK2 btw. We're both Altmer.

Is there a mod that prevents women from being mayors? Or, even better, reduces the frequency of women spawning at all because they're fucking everywhere (physicians, artisans, etc)

>>2090481
No, your game in a medieval setting will have modern egalitarian representation and you will learn to like it.

>>2085429
even smaller map mod

>>2090481
>>>2090554
>>>2091741
>I think I found it.
>"common\pool_character_selectors\00_city.txt"

>So, unless the realm has male-only succession, female mayors can spawn.
>Under "character_score", there are modifiers based on male/female dominated doctrine. So changing that would affect the rate of female mayors.
>Or you could just add "is_male" the "valid_character" parameters to prevent female mayors across the board.

>>2084759 (OP)
Afaik ck3 still hasnt even added republics, i cant see any reason to play ck3 over ck2.
I know these games have a long lifespan and require constant work over many years but imo theres no point playing a sequel to a game that doesnt have all the mechanics and content from the previous one as its base.

>>2089498
that just brought back so many memories god that map was sexy.
Starting as a rus count and being able to expand into the pagans without having to wait for prestige to get claims was so much fun.

Does anybody know what happened to the agot merged mod for ck2?

Redpill me on cream api.
Are there different versions, which ones do anons use and is there any risk?
The DLC situation with this game is ridiculous, and I'm supposing a significant proportion of the player base pirate them.

>>2097782
dunno, never had to use it. old school pirating seems to still work for me, been able to run everything fine every time ive come back to check out how the game's coming along. to be honest im not even entirely sure what creamapi is

>>2097794
Huh. Do you have it on Steam? I assumed there was some level of drm shenanigans.

>>2097795
nope. works out of the box every time i torrent it, full disclosure i also use a private tracker. i am fairly tech illiterate so i cant even begin to explain why it works and i've always been confused about why people talk about using creamapi to make the game work

>>2097782
You go on the ck2/ck3/whatever thread on csrinru and type "creamapi" in the search bar. Then you look for the most recent post with a link (usually it is updated when a new dlc releases), download it and drop the files in the root folder of the game. Been doing this for years, never had a problem

>>2097802
Thanks for the run down.
Looks like I have to register with some shady site eventually.

It's just a russian forum, nothing to be worried about. Otherwise, you can get it from github and set it up yourself

>>2087336
I just don't see why people want to play a less polished game with worse/no content (CK3). CK2 is just better in every way.

ck3 still feels like a huge lack in content compared to CK2. Still I play it primarily.

Winter King mod is peak btw. Slow rolled from Stratclut down and finally formed Hen Ogledd. Gonna try a Sygarius or House of Ambrosius run after this.

>>2084759 (OP)
Here are some points for your consideration.

>>2084762
>3d models
Personally, I find these distracting because the genetics become another factor affecting who you choose as your spouse. In CK2, if I want my heirs to be attractive, all I have to do is marry a Greek and savescum so they inherit the right portrait culture (it's called gfx_culture internally).

>ironman
I've ended up really liking CK2 ironman because it prevents me from just using cheats all the time. Once I have the ability to cheat, I inevitably end up using it more and more. CK3 ironman is super annoying and not worth it, plus the god awful load times make savescumming extremely annoying.

However, because you can also save edit / use cheats in ck3 and still get achievements, you could negate my first point by just making your spouses look however you want.

>conversion mods
CK2AGOT is better than CK3AGOT imo, but CK3 has a lot more conversion mods to choose from. Princes of Darkness in particular is incredible if you like World of Darkness.

After playing both games, I can say I don't really like CK3s army system. Yes, it's nice to "customize" your armies to a degree. But in CK2, you could get heavy troops just by building barracks and such. In this game, you have to shit out a ton of gold to get MAAs that half-way don't suck, and even then you're going to be juggling the maintenance on them constantly. Levies are basically useless trash.

As it stands, if you just enjoy fighting wars, there's no reason to ever stop playing as an adventurer. You get infinite wars with no responsibility and all the troops you want for zero gold.

>>2101645
since when is gold an issue in ck3? minimal investments into your domain is exponential growth