KEEEEK MY SIDES
it's over for ca
what a fucking dead corporation
https://www.pcgamer.com/games/strategy/total-war-star-wars-and-warhammer-40k-could-be-disasters-but-i-dont-know-if-i-can-go-back-to-the-historical-settings/

histcuckery doesn't have mass appeal. Sorry goyim.

>>2088131 (OP)
we histchads warned them.

>>2088131 (OP)
I want 40K and Star Wars and Shogun 3 and, more than all of those, Empire 2

>no actual games
>crappy op ed
>opposite of op clickbait gloomer bullshit
Good job OP. Haven't seen a thread this dogshit and pointless in a while.

>>2088131 (OP)
I want them to make the 40k and star wars total wars so that the company crashes and burns before they have the chance of releasing Medieval 3

>There is only so much you can do with a bunch of humans wearing period-appropriate armour and wielding the weapons of the day. You can fiddle with the stats, but ultimately you must work within strict limitations. A horse archer is a horse archer the world over. But when you can stick goblins on wolves and have medieval, chivalrous knights fighting war mammoths, things get a bit more interesting.
Every single histcuck needs to read this paragraph five times over, then five times more. It utterly btfos every single one of their arguments ("I'm an autist hyperfocused on seventh century Southern France" is not an argument) and PROVES why fantasy Total War is superior

>>2088131 (OP)
I want 40k and Medieval 3

>>2088131 (OP)
I won.

>>2088289
>I'm such an adhd tiktok retard that I have lost all my natural curiosity for the world and its' history! i NEED heckin colorful trolls and dragons to make me like something!
How can some faggots manage to be so pathetic, I have no fucking idea, jesus christ.

>>2088329
Please, most of "hisfags" are actually only interested in knights and the most pop-culture depictions of them. If they were interested in "history" they wouldn't be malding about every game that is not medieval or calling 3k an obscure setting.

>>2088333
>calling 3k an obscure setting.
Who the fuck even does this?
>If they were interested in "history" they wouldn't be malding about every game that is not medieval
What do you think is even one of the most popularly requested and awaited sequels in the TW franchise that you hear of the most along with Medieval 3? Hint, it starts with an E.

>>2088289
Their argument is that Total War's attempts to introduce guns with any semblance of modern warfare was a a total disaster.

>>2088327
It would be based

>>2088337
>empire 2 is requested as much as Medieval 3 Shogun 3 or Rome 3
you're just straight up lying now every time a history game gets released you people whine non stop NOOO NOT THAT ERA why didnt anyone buy Pharoah? thought you were interested in history b--b-but bronze age is le boring isnt an excuse

>>2088337
>empire
The game is shit, I refuse to believe that anyone genuinely enjoyed that game a lnd certainly not the kind of old good, new bad fags considering it introduces everything they hate.
Also it's not really helping the allegations that the loudest "hisfags" just want a nationalistic power fantasy of killing brown people.

damn these games are going to sell a lot

>>2088385
Who is "you", retard? i play pharaoh. if there are some nostalgiafaggots who only play what they liked during their childhood which was shogun and medieval, then that's not my problem.
also, you're just plain wrong on the account of empire 2. it literally is requested more than shogun or rome 3, even if less than med 3.

>>2088390
>The game is shit
Largely because of its' AI though, which is why a remaster would be good.
>not really helping the allegations
Nigga, you're on 4chinz right now. Assuming that the majority of people irl behave the same as people on here is absolutely beyond delusional. The fact that you unironically claim it's the "loudest" who are behaving that way just shows how terminally online you are - literally no other TW community, historical or not, behaves like this.

>>2088131 (OP)
>tw star wars
God why does everything have to keep getting shittier on purpose

>>2088401
Nigga of course I'm taking about people online, nobody IRL is standing on a town square with a megaphone and a "make an empire total war sequel" banner. Besides if you think people are shy about that stuff IRL than YOU spent too much time in heavily moderated leftie spaces.
And it's not that half to find people like this in other tw related spaces, even on plebbit or find any jewtuber making career out of whining new bad, old good. Well other than volund because he's a different kind of extremist

>>2088131 (OP)
Why worry about something that isn't going to happen

I have boycotted CA since Empire sucked, and I would consider buying tw:40k. Would definitely wait for reviews and patches first though.

>news from 2024
way to be a fag op

>>2088390
Holy underage. Empire was fucking awesome when it came out. The naval battles were sick. I have no clue how it holds up today, but I fucking loved that game

I mean a "true" Total War probably wouldn't work, but a SW or 40k game more similar in gameplay to Warno/BA/W:RD could be a legit 10/10.

But that would require CA to actually put some work and tests new things so it won't ever happen

>>2088131 (OP)
JUST MAKE MEDIEVAL FUCKING THREE
HOLY SHIT STOP TRYING TO MAKE EVERY CASH GRAB PROPERTY INTO TOTAL WAR SLOP AND STICK WITH WHAT YOU KNOW
FUCK THIS INDUSTRY

>>2088620
>STICK WITH WHAT YOU KNOW
the boomers who developed Med2 are long gone

>>2088131 (OP)
your awful thread is going to be up for weeks, good job retard

>>2088620
>STICK WITH WHAT YOU KNOW
Anon, Medieval 2 was made by a different studio which has since then been closed.
It's a Blizzard North (Diablo)/Westwood Pacific (Red Alert 2 onwards) kind of situation.
>Creative Assembly (UK) made
Shogun, Medieval, Rome, Empire, Napoleon, Shogun 2, Rome 2, Attila, Warhammers, Thrones of Britania, Three Kingdoms
>Creative Assembly (Straya) made
Medieval 2, Kingdoms, Fall of the Samurai
>Creative Assembly (Bulgaria) made
fixed Rome 2, Troy, Pharaoh, WH2 DLC and WH3 DLC

Crerative Assembly (Straya) also employed Jeff Van Dyck, the guy who did all the good soundtracks alongside his wife (credits song singer).

>>2088333
>Creating strawman in your head so your retarded ass can be right at last in your delusions
Most history players play also fantasy. Opposite may not be true.

>>2088390
Empire as a game is in bad place because its bugged and lack easy way to mod it and this lack conversion mods. The settings is great tho and so some ideas that later were used in great success in Shogun 2. The settings still carry even if game is bad

>>2088390
>Also it's not really helping the allegations that the loudest "hisfags" just want a nationalistic power fantasy of killing brown people.
Well yes. That is the same or similar audience that play paradox games. So they can play as their favorite country and dunk on hated one.

>>2088664
Good. Med 2 kind of sucked at release and they never fixed it.
>But mods fixed
Not everything.

>>2088743
>he actually believes that the trolls on /vst/ is a representative of history strategy gamers

>>2088329
>>I'm such an adhd tiktok retard that I have lost all my natural curiosity for the world and its' history! i NEED heckin colorful trolls and dragons to make me like something!
>How can some faggots manage to be so pathetic, I have no fucking idea, jesus christ.
Irony, the post

>>2088333
>most of "hisfags" are actually only interested in knights and the most pop-culture depictions of them.
Truke

>>2088390
>just want a nationalistic power fantasy of killing brown people

I am now officially switching to the hist side of the argument

>>2088333
>3k an obscure setting
In a western context it is.

I don't think that matters. But it's true.

>>2089121
I'm looking forward to your comments.

>>2088327
>no magnaguard unit for Grievous
Gay army composition

>total war star wars
i want to die

>>2088390
empire has a lot of detail and simulation and comfy moments that you won't notice unless you're playing and trying to notice them. the simulations of all the soldiers on the deck of the ship, and how they can fire their muskets at enemy ships if they get close enough. sticking your guys into buildings. the different ways that your guys can fire, either by platoon or by rank. the way that artillery shots and skid and ricochet off the ground. the only thing that makes it mostly unplayable for me is the fact that the battle ai is fucking retarded which it is in every single total war game except the first two for some reason

>>2088390
You just gotta GTA:SA it where people might go in wanting to be vgh greater gross germany but instead find blasting nasheeds and jihad to be more fun.

>>2088131 (OP)
The franchise has been dead since after Empire.
At least for now these older versions haven't been butchered by some Corpo nonsense and mods for free give us a better experience than what the gimmick-ridden pieces of streamer Goyslop offer.
Just save-scum in case of crashes and you're G2G.
Pic related. This W:TW mod takes up entirely too much of my life, but Stormwind's supremacy must be maintained.

>>2089435
Medieval 2's isn't totally bad and sub-mods have made it surprisingly competitive. But if you have even the most novice grasp of historic formation tactics and some good reflexes and awareness, outside of bullshit cheese you will almost never lose.
I just want multiplayer friends to really challenge me in some of my favorite mods desu. Or an engine rework of Medieval 2 to make it so that we can do multiplayer campaigns.

>>2088390
My Brother in Christ, you can do the exact opposite - as the brown people. What's the problem?

>>2088744
Anyone who so doggedly insists this is actually an idiot who Total War games are not made for. Mechanically, it is the best Total War game we've ever gotten overall. It is the closest to understanding the assignment and with unlimited modding capability, it's just the goat. No other candidate. Even Rome and Shogun have aged to the point of being unplayable for newer people.

>>2091305
You are delusional if you think med2 aged any better than rome. They are equally outdated for anyone picking them up now.

>>2088289
Warhammer battles are funner on paper but in actual gameplay they're terrible. I have no clue how CA made dinosaurs fighting mummies more of a chore to watch than two armies of identical samurai fighting each other but I commend them for doing so.

>>2090628
>Medieval 2's isn't totally bad
I was recording footage earlier today testing the game mechanics of all the games up to med2. in rome 1 the enemy will try to run around your pikemen to attack them from the sides or behind so i actually wasnt even able to record footage of charging directly into a pike line for that game but in medieval 2 they do it happily without any second thoughts

>>2088289
The entire argument is invalidated by FOTS which has the best gameplay in the whole series.

The truth is the battles of total war games are just to spice up, add excitement too, and break the pace of the campaign map part of the game. It's the campaign map that makes the game good, it's the battles that make it better.

>>2091517
https://youtu.be/LUbyMsaxLA0?t=438

>>2091526

OK, so what CA should do is make a Historical TW game with an in-depth campaign map, say a Medieval III. And then take the lessons learned by catering to the history autists and modders, and then make a Warhammer game aimed at the fantasy total war audience. Everyone wins.

>>2091517
>However, then something changed. “At some point someone noted that the first 3Dfx cards had been announced and we thought we could do it in 3D,” Mike says, “so we sat down, had a look at that and decided that… No, there’s no-way that would ever work.” At this point, we’re half expecting Mike to reveal that aliens descended from the heavens and gave them a copy of the finished Total War, and they had nothing to do with it. However, at this point, their fortunes shifted: "We got a spline based landscape and to our great surprise it turned out to be feasible,” Mike grins, “At that point, everything changed. We moved the camera down to the general’s viewpoint. You can’t see things which are beyond hills or behind trees. That changed the nature of the game completely, moving it closer to the historical ideas.”

>Necessity begat more invention. “The problem being that the battles themselves were very short, and we needed something to tie it together and make people care about the battles,” Mike continues, “And that’s where the strategy map came in. The idea was to give you a bigger picture and a context for the battles. So we ended up with the two sides – the strategy and the battles. And that worked, and it built from there.”
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/

>>2091829
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/the-making-of-shogun-total-war
oops

>>2091830
Nice

>>2088385
Tourists are so gross. Pharoh/3 kings and all these other new "hist" games suck dick for one reason. The current engine end of story.

If these games have an upgraded version of the old rome 1 - med 2 engine theyd be better. Shogun 2 was the only one of the newer titles that made the province work well enough. Warhammer is okay but is entirely carried by the ip.

Province system sucks, limited buildings/slots suck. No population - recruitment pools suck the most out of everything. This one mechanic prevented every army from looking like the same carbon copy crap that nu total war has become. You have no reason to build low tier units in the newer games the moment you unlock the higher tier. Early TW made me care about my units because I couldn't shit out 20 of them on a whim.

Also unrelated I am racist.

>>2092353
>If these games have an upgraded version of the old rome 1 - med 2 engine theyd be better.
Why not go back even further? I want to see an upgraded version of the sho1/med1 engine.

>>2091317
>wow these graphics are kinda lame
>install Stainless Steel or SSHIP
>instantly fix the problem
At least the game's engine is conducive to actual tactical battles and not built around stupid gimmicks.

>>2092353
Truth nuke

>>2091317
>for anyone picking them up now
This isn't an issue with the game, it's an issue with people these days being dumber than rocks and bursting into tears if the stream of happy-chemicals raping their brain and soul is cut for even a second. I got Medieval 2 in 2014 when I was 13 years old and it immediately became my favourite Total War game which it remains to this day. Warscape killed TW and just because there's a lot of people with shit taste who are entertained by buttons, sliders and meaningless campaign "mechanics" like how babies are entertained by jingling shiny things in front of them does not change that.

>>2091417
Yeah, the battles are too dynamic and they require me to actually play, I'm used to the AI immediately suiciding its general and then I get an epic encirclement! The battles need to be about 30 minutes minimum or else my brain might burn out

>>2092375
>At least the game's engine is conducive to actual tactical battles
>>2095481
>Warscape killed TW

https://files.catbox.moe/ntw4da.mp4

>>2095517
Ok. Are you going to use words or am I supposed to watch your video and come up with your argument for you?

>>2089386
Magnaguards are his body guard entorage, they are going back to med 2 style generals, trust

>>2095560
med2's combat engine is sluggish and shitty and the infantry in combat literally stand there and do nothing looking like retards compared to med1's pushing and shoving and dynamism and also pikes in mtw2 are broken and so are gun units and the calvary charges can look cool when you do get them to work but otherwise they look retarded like as i showed in the vid
and in summary the true decline of tw started not with the 3d games
people just overhype med2 and rome becuase a) the newer games are just so much worse that they are genuinely 10/10s otherwise when comparing them directly and b) they havent played the first 2 games so they arent aware that med 2 and rome are also downgrades

>>2095566
not with warscape but with the 3d games* oops

CA are a dead company at this point, they abandoned their core fanbase to chase a more casual crowd and when those casuals get bored the whole company will collapse

>>2095566
On some things yeah, you've got a point but on others not so much. Yeah units are sluggish, that's true though it's also unique to Medieval 2 specifically as Rome I is way less janky and units are more coherent and quick. Same with pikes, yeah everyone knows that pikes are broken but it's also kind of overstated, I know because the noob square of pikes with archers in the middle does actually work. Cavalry just comes down to skill issue, sorry. Yeah, wedge formation is shit, that's true but it does work if you're charging from a shallow angle and everyone knows this as well. I mean even look at your video, it's not like it goes much better in Med 1 and you lose your general too. If you're having problems with cavalry otherwise, it's probably due to your units being disorganised and not being given enough space to charge which I don't think is a fault of the game at all. Guns are fine, in your video you tell them to shoot while they're already aimed which will cause problems but you won't have that issue if you leave them to fire at will or give them a target while they're forming up or are in the process of reloading. A lot of this stems from the tech advancing at the end of the day, I mean I just looked it up and Rome I only came out *two years* after Med I and most of your complaints don't even apply to it. Take guns for example, every man in a unit of Med II musketeers is fully animated and modelled with weight and collision and they have to perform complex tactical drills in whatever conditions they might encounter, this causing jank isn't a bad thing for me. That's why I don't really understand the shitflinging from the minority of Med I and Shogun I purists, pushing tech forward means that there will be quirks and certain things just have to be figured out over time, we only got two games on that engine before Warscape started us from scratch again and now Total War is becoming less complex if anything.

>>2095618
>every man in a unit of Med II musketeers is fully animated and modelled with weight and collision and they have to perform complex tactical drills in whatever conditions they might encounter, this causing jank isn't a bad thing for me.
but they did those same exact drills in sho1/med1 without breaking half the time
and also its true
"tech advancing" is making everything 3d and fancy at the expense of the actual battle simulation and gameplay advancing. i dont want to say "the games should have stayed 2d" or anything but when i compare rome and med2 to sho1 and med1 directly its clear that they sacrificed a great deal so that everything would look more graphically impressive. the AI in every single total war game has been shit starting with rome and after playing with the board-game battle map of the first 2 games I honestly can't even fathom why they got rid of it. I don't even feel obligated to try and describe how shitty the AI is in any game post-rome in both campaign and battle because it should be second nature for any tw vet. could you imagine an empire where the graphics was little 2d sprite dudes on 3d ships and wasnt busted as hell?

>>2095618
>every man in a unit of Med II musketeers is fully animated and modelled with weight and collision and they have to perform complex tactical drills in whatever conditions they might encounter, this causing jank isn't a bad thing for me.
but they did those same exact drills in sho1/med1 without breaking half the time
"tech advancing" is making everything 3d and fancy at the expense of the actual battle simulation and gameplay advancing. i dont want to say "the games should have stayed 2d" or anything but when i compare rome and med2 to sho1 and med1 directly its clear that they sacrificed a great deal so that everything would look more graphically impressive. the AI in every single total war game has been shit starting with rome and after playing with the board-game battle map of the first 2 games I honestly can't even fathom why they got rid of it. I don't even feel obligated to try and describe how shitty the AI is in any game post-rome in both campaign and battle because it should be second nature for any tw vet. could you imagine an empire where the graphics was little 2d sprite dudes on 3d ships and wasnt busted as hell?

>>2095665
I was gonna add that if you're approaching it from the perspective that the worse graphics allow better simulation but got cucked by 2k character limit. I understand that since I'm of the mind that Field of Glory II is a better simulation of actual battles than Total War is. Hear me out though, Shogun 2 was the third Warscape game and a lot of people consider it to be the best one, right? I disagree but I won't deny how much care and effort went into it, and it's the last Total War that I actually enjoy playing, or at least doesn't make me want to kill myself when I play it. Imagine if instead, Empire, Napoleon and Shogun 2 came out on the Rome I engine and were developed by the main A team which made Rome I.

I've kept banging on about how Rome I is less janky than Med II but it's true, and I seriously think that if units controlled a little more like Rome I, they could have made an amazing gunpowder game had they just built on the foundation of Medieval II. They weren't spent yet as a studio, Shogun II proves it, and though I'm not a developer, I doubt we've seen what the old engine was truly capable of and I really do believe most of the things you don't like about Rome I and Med II would have eventually been fixed had they kept working on it. Maybe when I get around to playing Shogun and Medieval I I'll change my mind but not yet.
>could you imagine an empire where the graphics was little 2d sprite dudes on 3d ships and wasnt busted as hell?
Yeah, I've thought about this. I think it's the only way for a solo dev or indie team to make something like this, but it seems like everyone willing to do that wants to make meticulously researched games that take 6 hours for a single battle like Scourge of War

>>2095766
>Field of Glory II is a better simulation of actual battles than Total War is.
Nta and not claiming that tw games are pinnacle of simulation but fog battles are crap, playing with toy soldiers is better battle simulation than fog
Also i think empire would get better if they didnt put breaks on modding to sell dlc, with that nothing could really be done
Med 2 combat animation in general are weird, too much shoving especially for 2handers and charging troops.
> Unit charge they jump and ... nothing