Better Than a Paladin edition

Previous: >>2079145

when will they buff hand cannoneers? maybe never, but i must keep asking.

>>2094261 (OP)
speaking of, they should give the Teutons their own custom Paladin replacement à la Persian Savar

>mfw played Jadwiga 6 The Fruits of Her Labor right after winning Jadwiga 5

when is this menu background going away? i'm tired of looking at it

in team games as pocket, where should I drop my castle?

>>2094288
>not using a custom background
lmao

>>2094288
damn it looks like ass, click mod and check backgrounds
>>2094302
right in my heart

>>2094310
>>2094313
can i just change the background without changing the menu buttons? i've seen some mods that turn them into shields and they look like ass, nothing like the 1999 game did, those shields were kino

>>2094330
yes. i typically just use backgrounds that aoe2:de previously had, but there are some nice custom ones that dont change buttons either.
https://www.ageofempires.com/mods/details/1592
Better Main Menu Night Time is what i like.

>>2094330
have the RoR one on
I like the random goofy ass green team priest about to wololo the roman egyptian and babylonian

>>2094288
It really kills me how low sloppy this is, they have the money to pay better illustrations what the fuck is this garbage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSUPLzVB5Nc
bodied that freak

>>2094270
kill yourself
no more unique units and regional bloat
half the post-DE civs need shit removed from them, no civs needs anything more

>>2094407
I love Chronicles so much its unreal. Best DLC they ever made

>open game
>pick Magyar
>rush UT and castles
>right-click your base with all castles selected
>queue up 200 UUs
You can resign again

Why the fuck is the Paladin upgrade so expensive compared to Savar when they're basically the same? They should reduce its cost to match Savar, we know now that it would work fairly. Would also entice cavalry play a little

>>2094288
For me, it's the Joan of Arc background from the Women in History event. I miss when they had these events on regularly. Now we just get shit DLC that I don't even buy

>>2094606
I will only accept cheaper Paladin tech if knights cost more food and bloodlines costs more everything.

>>2094487
the truth, it was a real love letter to Greek history

it's unfortunate then that world's edge stuff like three kingdoms feels like pure slop compared to it
like at some point they stopped giving a shit about the medieval setting and are just going through the motions, come up with new civ because published wants DLC profit, give each two or three gimmicks and make two of them OP so rankedfags buy it in droves
0 passion, 100% design by committee and marketing study

>>2094672
If the male villager is wearing pants and no shirt female villagers should wear a shirt and no pants, it's only fair.

>>2094288
nvm guys i found out the 3 kingdoms background is literally a mod so all i had to do was disable it

this is other theme, but i have to say i enjoyed the finals of aoe4's tournament this weekend, still, i think a bo9 is too much

>usually never bothered watching pro AoE2
>Medieval Masters qfs pop up in my YT feed one day, alongside Warlords 4
>kino of the highest level
>end up watching a game or two every day, before going to bed
Why did nobody tell me....

>>2094882
>bo9
That seems a bit excessive honestly, even bo7s feel a bit stretched out sometimes

just won a game by going full infantry as burmese, it was very fun
just for those who say nobody picks burmese for the infantry

>>2094956
why didnt you post screenshots of your game then?

>>2094672
they should have been added to aoe1 but that game is deader than aoe3

why are persians still middle eastern architecture

>>2095024
fuck no, AoE1 is only fine as nostalgia bait, the actual game itself is ass compared to 2

none of you 2 and 3 niggers would ever complain about pathfinding again if you had to experience 1's, go ahead, boot it up and try to use more than 5 units at a time asshole
not to mention the complete bonkers game design decision of having no gates and laughable base defences, granaries that upgrade walls and not even a concept of unique units

FUCK THAT

If AOE1 was supposedly good then how do you explain Return of Rome

if Return of Rome was supposedly good then how do you explain not having Return of Rome 2?

>play custom campaign
>Cant build buildings
>Cant make villagers
Hate this desu

>>2095149
That can be annoying but
>First 1-3 campaign missions limited to castle era
Is worse. I am so fucking sick of relying on fucking basic rams to deal with castles.

So I played some campaigns just for funsies. I liked the Tatars, a lot. I was pleasantly surprised with Malians, they certainly wouldn't be a favorite but they have interesting options. Then I tried Burmese. Why didn't they give this civ any traits or bonuses? Like..I get +2/2 on elephants? Really? The infantry bonus is among the worst. Slavs, Armenians and Bulgarians are straight up better and tons have better upsides like Malians or Teutons. Why would I pick Burmese?

>>2095136
They still haven't ported the Yamato campaign

>>2095246
It's ass anyway. People complained about the timeframe of Three Kingdoms but some campaigns are set way too late like Prince Shotoku which is around the same time as Tang Dynasty. Also why the fuck am I playing as some chinaman like Xu Fu?

>>2095128
Because WE and FE only listen to the fans once in a blue moon.

>>2095176
Capped Ram really needs to be a castle age tech at this point. Let Cumans get siege rams in castle age instead. It's 1000 food. They can choose between Imp and siege rams.

>>2095149
>>2095176
>play campaign
>the first great conqueror
>cool story premise
>scenario 1: pop limit is 75
>scenario 2: pop limit is 75
>scenario 3: pop limit is 75
>scenario 4: pop limit is 75
>scenario 5: pop limit is 100
100, how generous of the devs

How does AoE2 skill translates into 4? I am playing AoE2 right now because my potato pc can't handle 4. I am kinda having fun and after around 45hs I am managing to beat extreme AI. But I feel like I will not enjoy sweaty shit like quick walling or even walling your base in general if I play against people. I dislike how you have to quickly wall your base in feudal WHILE at the same time having to produce your first few military units to attack and then go back and fort between you walling and attacking assuming the enemy is not rushing your base at the same time too.
Also, it seems that in AoE4 the economy macro is way more streamlined. Like, in imperial a pro AoE2 has to switch constantly from army to base to fix his vills and make sure there are no holes in the wall, but in AoE4 you can mostly concentrate only on the army

>>2095555
>How does AoE2 skill translates into 4?
The games are basically the same in the sense that if you can micro spears and cav in 2 you can do it in 4, if you never idle your TC in 2 you won't in 4, if you remember wheelbarrow in 2 you will in 4 and so on.
Less "micro tricks" like quick walling but you'll have to learn the unique gimmick of every faction. The economy isn't really "streamlined", it's more that a bunch of civs have ways to make gold in the late game so you don't always have to fight tooth and nail for gold veins, but you should still move your villagers to deer, berries, fresh woodlines and gold/stone veins as long as you have the map control to do so safely. And if you can't get out on the map you still need to make farms, (maybe) traders and micro monks to get relics.
>But I feel like I will not enjoy sweaty shit [...] if I play against people.
You're worrying too much. You will not be matched against sweaty players for a long time, you will be matched against people who don't scout, people who won't notice you're killing 20 villagers with a single knight because they're too busy watching their main army, people who dive their scouts under your TC by mistake, people who forget to spend their resources or upgrade their units. Casual matches in AoEIV are even easier because sometimes you'll be matched against console players and those guys take like 10 seconds to react to a raid.

>>2094487
>>2094672
At least we should be getting another Chronicles soon. Not buying it day 1 obvs but it should be good

>>2095176
There seems to be some self-awareness of that ever since Lords of the West dropped, giving you Capped Ram from time to time.

>>2095529
If you're talking about Return of Rome, then it beats the 50 pop cap of the original AoE.

>everyone creaming themselves over muh Saladin campaign being the best of the best
>play it
>75 fucking pop every time, enemies have infinite res and unrealistic bases and your objective is to kill them
I know people grew up with these, I also did, but jeez these nostalgia goggles sure are annoying

>>2095612
>of the original AoE
but Sargon is not an original AoE campaign, they made an entirely new campaign and went out of their way to give every scenario a tiny ass pop cap
the dicks

played a custom campaign level (Alexander Nevsky) where you need to defend 8 spread out villages from raids, and you get one small village as a base. How the fuck are you supposed to do that? I always suck ass at these levels with several fronts.

>2 losses in a row
incoming 10 loss, -160 elo streak, i can feel it

>>2095784
Sargon campaign is the 3rd best of all AoE.
The smallish scale adds to the tension, I love it so much.

>>2095785
Play it as Real Time with Pause.

>>2095529
I laught my ass off when Tamara 5 had 65pop limit but at least you can raise pop cap by freeing villages.

>>2095879
Stop caring about elo so much, it's just a number for matchmaking it doesn't matter. If you do lose 10 in a row you'll get easy opponents and you get back up anyway.

you know for a unit with bonus damage against archers, the persian knight doesn't feel like it does better against them when compared to other civs

>>2096123
The hard part is getting to them isn't it?

>>2095612
I started playing Ethiopians and the second mission gave capped ram and it surprised me. Is it a newer campaign?

>>2095785
Just build a castle in each village.

>>2095131
It's a more simple game but in a way that makes it easy to learn. I always prefer recommending 1 over 2 to complete beginners because there's fewer mechanics to learn, so it's less overwhelming.

>>2096108
To be fair a good matchmaking system gives you opponents on the same level of skill as you for intense matches, not a bunch of superior ones followed by ones that are too easy.

>>2095784
You are still playing a very close approximation of AoE I's gameplay and AoE II itself technically was balanced around 75 officially. Techs like Logistics weren't really made around the 200 pop cap we've been used to in AoE II, of which technically only became the official standard to balance around by Forgotten Empires.

But given Chariot Archer faggotry, being able to field 100:200-0:400 Villagers to Legionaries that are slower than villagers isn't really that insane.

>>2096153
>Is it a newer campaign?

Nah, Yodit was from Kangz. That said, I might have overlooked this and will stand somewhat corrected, though if it's been the case since HD or a DE change, I'm not sure. Not that it was a particularly good campaign to begin with. But DE DLCs certainly give you more brevity in Castle Age slugfests if they're not mechanically different.

Fire towers should not be in a scenario where the player does not get trebs or bombards. These are fucking stupid.

>>2096275
>Has no idea what Greek fire is

>>2096288
Are you ESL? They're terrible and make scenarios tedious since they melt rams and infantry. They are a neutral building, that any civ can be given.

>>2096275
Baffling decision to give those to the goths in the berber campaign
>Oh you have almost finished the mission? Here 4 fire towers so you have to waste 20+ rams to end a 1 hour mission. Enjoy!

melee units hurt my soul. all they do is make me mad with their retardation.

>>2096394
idgi

>>2096394
Skirmishers hurt my soul because their usefulness is completely anachronistic.

>>2096154
cant obvously
Only more towers but they melt to berserkers

The inevitable Vlachs civ should get Fortified Churches.

>>2096289
git gud

>>2096227
iirc the capped ram and some other QOL features on all forgotten campaigns were added in DE

>>2096510
add stone walls and scorps

why would anyone build anything other than cavalry? it's faster infantry that also counters the counter of inf (archers) ... like what? how is that balanced

>>2096517
Not really a thing, any fortified churches on Romanian territory were in Transylvania.

post your least played civ
i hate the no house gimmick
i don't even have the winning achievement with it despite having 500 hours because I only played with them like 3 times and lost all of them

>>2096667
Wu, Shu & Wei, for the obvious reasons.
Beyond them, probably Britons because they're a one-trick pony even if Longbowmen are some of the coolest-looking.

>>2096227
you say that, but spamming 400 legionnaires actually sounds fun though...

>>2096227
>AoE II itself technically was balanced around 75 officially
newfag here, tell me more

>>2096305
That's exactly what I played to prompt the whine post, well identified! Absolutely fucking insane how long that mission took because of them.

>>2096573
I mean the average game is scouts into knights unless your civ doesn't have bloodlines.

How did they fall off this hard? The nerf wasn't that spectacular.

>>2096741
Berber campaign is the worst campaign in the game by a very wide margin
Some of the SEA campaigns are also dogshit due to having no variety other than "here's X enemies with unlimited resources, go get them champ!" but every single mission for the Berbers was pure suffering
>civ excels at mobility and hit-n-run tactics, with strong cultural elements of raiding and constantly migrating
>4/5 missions require you to destroy heavily fortified enemy cities that spam infinite units in your general direction every 30 seconds, thus slowing you down to a crawl

>>2096725
AoK had 75 pop as the pop limit for all its campaigns and as the recommended setting for MP, probably due to technical limitations in 4v4 games
I think AoC had some scenarios up this to 100-150, but you can definitely see the larger scale in something like Montezuma 6
By the time HD released, 200 was standard everywhere

CAN SOMEONE TELL ME HOW THE FUCK DO I PLAY AGAINST ARCHERS?
IT'S ALWAYS THE SAME SHIT
THEY KILL MAA, THEY KILL SPEARS, THEY KILL SCOUTS
IF I GO SKIRMS THEY ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS REACH CASTLE BEFORE ME EVEN IF I HAVE LIKE 18 FARMS, AND THEN JUST MAKE ONE KNIGHT AND TO HELL WITH MY SKIRMS
WALLING DOESNT HELP, THEY CAN KILL REPAIRING BUILDERS
WTF DO I DO
NO FUCKING COUNTER

>>2096793
AND THIS SHOULD BE OBVIOUS BY NOW BUT REACHING CASTLE FIRST DOESNT DO SHIT WHEN ON THE WAY UP YOU WERE FORCED TO IDLE YOUR ECO IN THE TC BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T THEN THOSE 10 ARCHERS JUST KILL YOUR ENTIRE ECO

>>2096773
Because the winrate was inflated by noobs latching on to get easy wins. They got minor nerfed, noobs dropped them like a rock so now mostly pros play them and they aren't so broken they can pull 60% winrate from pros alone.

>>2096793
make skirms

>>2096774
I feel like I've played 3-4 campaigns in a row where the first 2-3 missions have been.
>Here's a feudal TC village, turtle here for 15 minutes then ram down a castle on the far side of the map.

Also the Berber campaign sucks even more since the opponents are goths and just spam pikes and huskarls. It's not like that can't be beat, but it feels stupid playing Berbers to their 'strengths' against their counters.

>>2096793
wall or something idk I don't play this game very much

>>2096793
get armor upgrade, don't go full retard with skirms, don't go for 1:1 skirm to archer ratio.

>>2096859
before fletching?

>>2096818
rams are gay cool people build a castle right next to the ai castle and make 20 petards to kill it.

>>2096876
Fletching first or you'll get kited forever

>>2096723
Well, somebody's gotta do it. Can always run a Stormwing list in 30k, too anon.

>>2096725
>newfag here, tell me more

Easy. 1999 computers, and while the original game had an upper limit of 200 population that would eventually become the norm as they got faster, the campaigns would be locked to 75 population outside of a few scenarios until DE raised the caps in AoK/AoC ones. A lot of AoE II's design decisions were also influenced by the original game's balancing pitfalls and also supposedly competitive feedback, and that has probably made for a better game between casuals and pro players.

Forgotten Empires made their start through a mod of the same name with the scope of being an unofficial expansion, and bugged Microsoft after AoE II HD became a thing to make it official, forming an LLC to make working with them easier. And so since 2013, fans got hired and are still technically leading the direction of the game ever since, considerate of 200 population games being the standard for general balancing, and any keeping discernibly tighter limits on scenarios is intentional on the campaigner's part. With CaptureAge on board for Chronicles, you'll see a lot of Battle for Greece scenarios balanced around 200 units tops as well.

Higher population limit caps have existed in all versions in some manner, be it official or by UserPatch, but 200 is still more or less the gold standard, rarely raised or lowered.

>>2096793
When they make archers make skirms but don't make too many and keep making farms every 60 wood, of they stay archers and you are on skirm you should beat them to castle.

>>2096108
if you not care about elo, why play competitive? is not the purpose to make number go up and kill self when number go down?

>>2096793
You're making too many Skirms. You just 4-5 with armor.

i hate siege onagers. using them, fighting them, everything. all my units fuckin die.

>>2097230
To find people of roughly equal skill to play against.

I think FFA modes are better than ranked 1v1 in showcasing the full potential of AoE2's gameplay.

>>2097350
I think FFA modes are a glorified game of Risk, especially if everyone's in a call together.

>>2097350
FFA modes are just social engineering. You'd find more competition in a round of amogus.

>>2097398
well it would be single tournament where hera wouldn't win so I like idea even when it's completely unfair.

>>2094270
Teutons should really have these at least as Cavaliers. They are LITERALLY, THE teutonic knights.

>>2095757
>Saladin campaign being the best of the best
it isn't the best by the virtue of having to play as Saracen, a naval/monk civ that constantly has to go up against inf/cav/siege civs in every scenario. You can't monk your way out of every scenario setup, and mamlukes are overrated as fuck.
For me, it's the aztec campaign. Pic related, conquerors demo mission and making a dock in the fucking pond next to your base and the mayas, having no idea what I'm doing as a kid. I remember making a few basic galleys and AI having no idea how to counter it, allowing me to safely gather wood behind the pond and sell it in the market for peanuts

>>2096793
>lose against archers
>lose when playing archers
i hate archers so much it's unreal

>>2097363
>>2097398
>oh no, ACTUAL strategizing, my build orders and onager micro have been rendered powerless!

why do people keep asking for more native american civs?
devs will just have to bend over backwards again to pretend these "civilizations" had anything close to medieval level weaponry and the campaigns will either be entirely mirror matches like the Inca or a fantasy campaign like the Aztec one

>>2097631
i just want USA

>>2097636
Hell no
Fuck Americans, I'd rather keep my game USA-free, already have to bear with them in a daily basis

>>2097638
>he prefers the 3chinkdoms to the USA
ok, chinaman

>>2097643
I'd rather have neither of those.

>>2097643
everyone with taste does you new world fat fuck
amerimutts disgust me on a fundamental level in a way the chinese will never manage to

>>2097647
lmao

>>2097647
>amerimutts disgust me on a fundamental level in a way the chinese will never manage to
Brutal

>>2097647
>he actually likes chinks
damn. i feel sorry for you, man.

july 2025 pup notes
https://steamcommunity.com/app/813780/discussions/34/597406481786246211/?snr=___ or https://forums.ageofempires.com/t/pup-july-2025-patch-notes/277303/1

>nerfing skirm train time
>nerfing pike/halb vs mameluke
>making rams have more armor/less negative armor
>hunt killed by military/buildings can now be harvested
>tc arrows are faster/larger
>buildings can now set waypoints before being constructed

>nerfing hussite wagon slightly more
>shatagna costs more gold
>khitans not touched
>unique buildings can now research unit upgrades (krepost/donjon)
and a bunch more

>>2097660
farm stealing finally fixed lets goooo

>>2097660
>Furor celtica applies to trebs
Heh. Good I guess.

Sicilians
Soldiers receive less bonus damage civilization bonus increased from 33% 40%
(Elite) Serjeant
Cost reduced from 60 food 25 gold 55 food 25 gold.
Donjon
Can now research Elite Serjeant upgrade.
Can now research Pikeman and Halberdier upgrade.
We're so fucking back.

>>2097615
>hey bro that guy sucks he attacked me
>yea he killed my scout earlier
>lets team up and kill him?
>sure
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>ztradegy

again, i'd rather play risk, it's free on steam and has a decently sized community

>>2097660
does this mean you can't accidentally lame your own boar now?

>>2097647
using new world as an insult is the easiest way to spot the descendants of the faggots who stayed behind looking after the goats and cows
real men conquer

>>2097660
good changes except maybe hussite wagon, it's already nerfed enough.

>>2097660
will flemish militia finally be not complete shit?

Why did they make the serjeant a throwing axeman with no ranged armor in AoEIV?
Imagine making a model with a big ass shield and giving it 0 ranged armor goddamn

>>2097692
because world's edge devs are actually fucking retarded and didn't think things through once again?

>>2097685
does anyone even build them anymore?

>>2097660
>massive rebalance for Chronicles, all civs changed and changes to greek regionals
can you smell what CaptureAge is cookin' /aoeg/?
it'll be here sooner than you think

>>2097298
no im pretty sure its to make the number go up

>>2097691
Wait is that what that means? Flemish is now Militia armor type?

>>2097728
>Flemish is now Militia armor type?
Correct, they will no longer take bonus damage from skirmishers

>>2097728
it means they won't take all the extra damage from skirms and archers

Still probably too bad to use, but it's something. Doubt anyone has used revolution since it was gutted.

Chronicles civs are coming to Ranked multiplayer.

>>2097739
how good will they be?

On a completely side tangent
I fucking hate console xbox players so much it's unreal

Unironically losing games due having console players is actually pissing me off

>>2097660
why would mameluke get buffed?

>>2097750
didnt they recently release that mameluke scenario? maybe they wanted to slightly buff it because of that?

>>2097739
Chronicles will have its own separate ranked multiplayer
source: I made this up myself

>>2097660
NOOOOO NOT SAVAR BEING MORE EXPENSIVE REEEEEE

>>2097660
>kings don't spaz when getting hit

About fucking time, it took them long enough. Also funny typo

>>2097739
If it's not just a separate metagame or prepping for Chronicles 2: Electric Boogaloo, I'm all in for it if they're gonna keep Three Chinks.

>>2097660
>Added a chance for Hunnic Horse to use different Horse graphics instead of always using Horse A graphics.
Wait this is kinda cool.
>Adjusted the variation, frequency and volume of Chicken sounds.
Chickenbros...
>The Tarkan attack sound effect has been updated to use an enhanced version of the legacy effect (also known as “thump”), which is more audible than the previous one.
What the fuck, T90's complaining worked?
>Added a sound alert when queuing and training units with fewer than 5 remaining population.
>Added an indicator on the population count to alert when training units with fewer than 5 remaining population.
This should be a massive QoL upgrade.
>Capped Ram melee armor increased from -3 -2.
>Siege Ram melee armor increased from -3 -1.
Rams are about to become cancer huh.
>Skirmisher train time increased from 22 seconds 26 seconds (Elite unchanged).
Archer raids are about to become cancer huh.
>Food from animals killed by Military or Buildings no longer spoils and can now be gathered by Villagers.
YO WHAT
I guess it's helping low elos hunt boars more reliably.
>Hussite Wagon
>Secondary projectile damage reduced from 4 3.
Did they really need to nerf this, wagons are kinda unimpressive as they are already.
>Krepost
>Can now research Elite Konnik upgrade.
Alright, more reason for me to keep picking Bulgarians.
>Added a new type of huntable animal which holds 35 gold and can be gathered without dropping the resources
>Red Fox (1955)
>Arctic Fox (1958)
They should go to the mill IMO.

>>2097698
Every new civ added to Chronicles is a civ not added to RoR or base AOE2. I don't want to wait a whole ass year for more base game civs.

>>2097747
Can't crossplay be disabled?

>>2097842
>What the fuck, T90's complaining worked?

I mean, Chronicles outright addressed his Dock and University complaints too, intentional or not. Also surprised it took that long for a pop cap warning, it works well in Retold.

>>2097847
>Chronicles outright addressed his Dock and University complaints too
Doesn't really count since it's a different team doing that one.

>>2097660
>Food from animals killed by Military or Buildings no longer spoils and can now be gathered by Villagers
So you can kill boars with TC without any skill level? lame.

A new StarWars RTS game running on the AoE4 engine WHEN?!?

>>2097887
>lame
No you can't lame anymore.

>>2097900
laming is illegal now.

>>2097844
tough shit sweetheart
CaptureAge GODS are delivering ludokino
>b-but all have to wait 6 more months for them to add more factions to the ridiculously overbloated faction roster! 50 civs just isn't enough for me!!!!1!!
weak-minded consoomer freak get the fuck out

>>2097744
If they were added as they were on release Athenians would decimate even prenerf Khitans.
Now I have no fucking idea due to so many changes but at least I'll be happy with .5 range Hoplites either way.

>>2097692
I wonder if they tried making them armored infantry that can build defenses and it broke the game

>>2097660
Sicilianbros, we are eating good

>>2098017
More like eating since serjant pierce nerf hot them pretty badly

>>2098018
ESL

>>2097660
nobody talked about it
but this, I like this

>>2097845
Yes but if I did I wouldnt get team game at all
In Age of Mythology

>>2098019
Yes

I'm getting back into age of empires 2 after about 5 years.
A lot of noticeably new stuff, some of it negative.
For example, this yellow shit running across the ground.
It surrounds every town center that I run into, even the first one I build
How the FUCK do I remove this horrible effect? It keeps spoiling the location of enemy TCs without me putting in the full effort to find them, and I really don't like that.
I could not find the option to switch it off anywhere in the options or game creator.

>>2098135
It's a thing on nomad start maps to prevent people from building on top of each other. You can't disable it. Until the treaty ends you can't build anything in that square unless they're on your team.

>>2098141
Holy shit that sucks cock. Takes the mystery and tension right out of the beginning of a nomad game. Time to revert back to an earlier version.

>>2098145
That only makes it so multiplayer Nomad maps don't end in the first 5 minutes and actually turn into fun matches.

Just don't play a shit map like nomad.

Nomad is the best map in the game.

>>2098202
Literally this.
I fucking hate the predictability of the start of "normal" games. Every nomad game is a more interesting game.

>>2098202
no map that has an objectively best civ that will win every game when played close to perfect can be the best map

>>2098135
just dont play with a treaty.

>>2098224
My treaty option is set to none. On nomad, treaty is apparently FORCED.

>>2098220
Which one is the objectively best civ?

>>2098145
Cringe and dumb take
Thank god stupid vill fighting got removed

>>2098226
mongols and it's not close

>>2098234
Mongols are broken on 90% of maps and nobody seems to care because muh mangudai.

>>2098145
>>2098135
Out of all the "old = good new = bad" takes I've had the displeasure of reading throughout the years, this is possibly the dumbest one yet (along with that dude who screeched at me because "Fervor in HD wasn't bugged, it was clearly intentional design and those dumb FE devs didn't understand that")
That "ugly shit" vanishes after 3 minutes, and is meant to clearly delineate the obligatory treaty zone in Nomad games; if it wasn't there, you would be extremely confused by your inability to place a TC in a spot that would otherwise look proper, and you'd waste precious time wondering what you're doing wrong.
I'm not even gonna argue against douching in Nomad, as it's such a brainless and retarded strategy, I strongly doubt any human being would actually defend it; hence putting big yellow retarded lines for the first couple of minutes of a game is a good compromise to make sure people understand what is happening, and for the life of me I cannot think of another way to obtain this same result

>>2098285
>as it's such a brainless and retarded strategy, I strongly doubt any human being would actually defend it
I've won games because of douching in nomad. If you're in a shit spot and not going to get a boar or know you won't be beating any nearby enemies up it's 100% viable but you need to know your teammates can follow up on it.

>>2098285
Since i'm not a sweaty fag that wastes time with MP, I don't care for the treaty mechanic.
The game allows for other modes to start without treaty, so, bottom fucking line: the same should be viable in nomad. ... But it's clearly not.
I should be able to play the game the way I had been playing in singleplayer for years without having some new version's mechanic ruin it for me.
Have the displeasure of reading this, too: Get bent, faggot.

You guys are being mean

>>2098308
im nice, but people ignore my posts or insult me.

> Organ Guns nerfed AGAIN
That's it. Fuck this game.

>>2098347
Good, fuck Organ guns,
Also Hussite wagons.

>>2098300
skill issue

what does an exclamation mark mean next to a mod in the list? I just downloaded it so idk whats wrong.

>>2096793
Ideal anti-archer play is your own archers with some skirms mixed in, gives you the power to directly fight him, doesn't waste a lot of food and he can't add scouts easily

>>2097670
Now Sicilians really don't need to ever build a rax

>>2096793
build two watch towers, problem solved

>>2098300
Choose another map, there are like 30.

>>2098300
Skill issue

Three Kingdoms is currently sitting at a 50% rating on steam, only slightly ahead of Return to Rome(48%)
will they learn from this flop?
will world's edge get mad at capture age later this year when Chronicles 2 gets another 90%?

>>2098426
>flop
they probably made a lot of money from people buying it to play OP khitans while they could

>>2098418
I chose a much earlier version instead.
And nothing of value was lost in rejecting the recent slop.

>>2098429
glad I'll never have a retard like you on my team, stay away.

>>2098429
Dumbass

>>2098135
Is this bait? DE didn't launch with this originally, however Nomad maps became such a cancerous mess that the devs added treaties to them: having the anti-building aura until everyone finishes a TC or it times out. It doesn't stop messy Dark Age slapfights entirely, Nomad pickers are still thought to be more deranged than Arena or even FUCKING MICHI ones, and if you're just playing FFA 8-man Nomad with the AI, then you're still probably going to get fucked by being too close to an opponent. Regardless, the guy who builds the furthest away will be safely booming without any risk of punishment and steamroll everyone, that's not any different. Hell, put it on Regicide and you'll get the occasional opportunity to snipe lost kings on their way home in the Dark Age.

>>2098426
learn? they'll double triple quadrple down on their retardacy
expect a Sengoku Jidai DLC next with 10 different rival clans with half a dozen UUs each, with legendary daimyo heroes and ninjutsu abilities

>>2098466
Yeah uh, we want that because we are weebs, baka. Chinese stinky yucko gross.

>>2098426
three kangdoms should be below RoR

>>2098290
I was arguing the opposite, that douching is such a potentially strong strat it kinda defeats the purpose of the gamemode
Let's say you start a Nomad match, put down your comfy TC while thinking about potential strats, and 30s later you get Persian douched; your game's basically over, since you have none of the potential counterplays you'd normally have while playing a regular 1v1. Add to this the fact that there's a significant subset of Neanderthals who are more than happy to exploit anything as long as they get to feel good about themselves, and you end up in a situation where every lobby has the potential to be ruined because of THAT guy douching it up
So, better safe than sorry

>>2098426
>50% rating
Wouldn't be surprised if it sold more than Mountain Royals + Lords of the West combined
Consider the following:
>China pandering
>strong civs for sweaty ladderfags
>five (5!) new civs, all with significant amounts of content
>new campaigns

>>2098509
>significant amounts of content
not really
>new campaigns
very bad and boring ones

>>2098510
>not really
Wrong
>very bad and boring ones
Shit take

>>2098513
>Wrong
wrong
>Shit take
you are stupid

>>2098510
Possibly, but my point is that the average normies doesn't care
He sees 5 (five!) new civs, compares it with older DLCs, and buys it
The actual quality doesn't matter much when it comes to Steam numbers

whats the best civ to play if im playing a 4v4 game and i need to be able to help on 2 land fronts that are separated far apart and might need navy as well? i play compstomps with my friend, but he never builds enough military buildings quick enough and sometimes the AI on my team sucks forcing me to split my forces/attention.

i was thinking goths for cheap/quickmaking infantry to supplement either side+nearly full techtree navy or maybe britons for longrange support+nearly full navy, but problem would be if they leave my archers to die while i work on supporting the other side. maybe a cavalry civ but im worried about halbs when im not looking.

>>2098426
I don't usually review shit on steam, but I might for this injustice
RoR was fun
3k was not

I'll ask chatgpt to write some shit up for me

>>2098378
Version incompatibility.

>>2098466
Sengoku would at least be better than Chinkdoms from the mere fact that it's period appropriate.

I don't know why we bother with voting. We get the same maps 90% of the time.

>>2098438
Don't you read the thread? I already said I don't play MP (I pirate aoe2, so it's not like I can play this online anyways [not that I fucking care anyways, so not being a paypig is too easy])
>and if you're just playing FFA 8-man Nomad with the AI, then you're still probably going to get fucked by being too close to an opponent.
this is obviously a minor issue for me, but only serves to keep the early game's tension because I'm never guaranteed that I've plopped a TC down in a safe place(and ontop of that, a place with all the essential resources, and maybe a decent amount of vegetation to decrease angles of siege that can be exploited against me)... unless I have the immediate surroundings probed out.
>regicide
I used to like this, but now consider it worthless because in either case the AI is too delicate and prone to breaking into a worthless wood-chopping bot that fails to rebuild all of its basic and advanced buildings. This makes killing their king completely meaningless. Starcraft has the same issue, essentially. But hey, at least that's how the AI has worked over the many years of aoe2's lifespan. Feel free to call me out if they have fixed that issue, since.
Bottom line is, I don't play regicide so it's irrelevant

>>2098509
Only 3 kingdoms got campaigns, and they weren't even good at it (they all ended before the actual three kingdoms period)

westerners just aren't that interested in chinese history outside of 3k, consider the fact they didn't get any gunpowder units until this year, and the east asian architecture set were mostly japanese (cause of them getting campaigns in the first game)

>>2098562
>1v1 BF
wait I want that

>>2098627
3k or not, noone gives a fuck about asia

>>2098676
I have yellow fever :(

>>2098678
I have diarrhea

>>2098678
yeah, you and every other straight white guy on the planet

>>2098562
Pretty much, usually 6 different flavors of Arabia win.

>>2098426
>will they learn from this flop?
I never heard of anyone wanting 3K shit. Not on the aoe forum, leddit or here. All they had to do was make existing asian civs like Khitans and Jurchens etc. + good campaigns. It was THE opportunity to finally give the Chinese a campaign, or perhaps even Koreans and Japs. How do you even fuck up such a simple formula?

>>2098676
And tell me literally one person who 'gave a fuck' about Armenia and Georgia, literally just one person who was asking for Gurjaras and Bengalis, tell me please anon about the people who give a fuck about literally Sicilians.

>>2098820
>tell me please anon about the people who give a fuck about literally Sicilians.
>>2098017
>>2097670

>>2098820
>tell me please anon about the people who give a fuck about literally Sicilians.
*angry hand gestures*

I can't fucking believe TC arrows and military can hunt now. This isn't QoL it's just straight up making the game easier.

>No one cares about Sicilians!
Northern Italian detected. Kys lombard pig

>>2098866
sorry lamer, you'll have to actually get good now.

>>2098866
like in AoEIV
hmmm looks like the INFERIOR game has to copy the SUPERIOR game uh???
Literally inferior because 2<4

>>2098866
Get fucked, lamer

>>2098927
>>2098959
kys faggots I never lame, I don't even play mongols

>>2098971
Then dont complain, these changes are good.

>>2098976
how? it doesn't even make fucking sense either historically (since this general loves that so much)
a butcher will make better use of an animal than some random soldier

>>2098829
>>2098868
I care about Sicilians not because they're Sicilian but because they're Normans and Normans are cool
t. Sicilian picker

>>2098986
don't pretend to be retarded anon

>>2099013
>ask how's it good
>no reply
i accept your concession

>>2098562
why does almost every map have either w*ter or pre built walls? maybe there would be fewer people that just want to play arabia all day if the rest of the map pool wasn't full of garbage. honestly I have no idea how aoe2 has even survived this long with such shitty maps compared to sc. imagine having to play on lost temple for 27 years because every other options is even worse.

>>2098866
dark age minigames are the worst part of the game. the more they can do to trivialize it the better. next step is replacing all deer with chickens.

>>2098986
>> it doesn't even make fucking sense either historically

Cool, call me when mesos lose MaA line, pike/halb, crossbow/arb, all siege weapons and all ships minus canoes and fishing boats. Cause this game is sooo historical.

>>2099021
trvke!!!

Not sure why people are acting like this change kills laming. I doubt anyone here was last hitting boars with their scout in dark age to deny it. Most people kill it with a vil and leave it rotting anyway.

>>2098562
well I'm glad haboob didn't, I'm not fond of playing against mongols 10 sec lame strategy.
And maybe they shouldn't picking up the same 10 popular maps in voting contest. I like hideout but holy shit its, I see this map all the time.

why dont you faggots just admit that you want the game to be easier?

>>2099027
The real lame was moving your scout so sheep tanked TC arrows
Hera did it very consistently on most open maps, from what I remember

>>2099017
soldiers hunted for food all the time and most soldiers of the medieval era were levied men who would have some experience with butchering animals since almost everyone around this time worked on farms.
make whatever gameplay argument you want for or against it but crying about it being unrealistic is retarded

>>2099024
Mesos should use Chronicles unit skins now that we're getting Chronicles in ranked.

Time to get back into it. Fuck I haven't played consistently in awhile. Maybe I'll post some 1v1s.

>>2098770
>I never heard of anyone wanting 3K shit

Some on /vst/ and certainly other websites would've entertained 3K for Chronicles, given the subseries falls out of the medieval timeline. But we got the worst possible execution.

>>2098866
Given that AoM had this forever, surprised it didn't get backported sooner.

>>2099102
AoM also has auto citizen queue doesn't it?

>>2099109
Autoqueue was always a thing in AoM, but only since Retold there's an option to autoqueue villagers first thing. It prohibits it for military too unless a setting is unchecked, because some loud compfags didn't like it. There are also a bunch of little things the original release did first before The Forgotten onward imported those quirks.

Villager autoqueue could probably work decently in AoE II unless someone is playing Maya, I suppose.

>>2099114
>Villager autoqueue could probably work decently in AoE II
I got a friend who doesn't care about getting better and only plays a couple of games during the weekend, the number one mistake he does is forgetting to queue villagers.
There's so many people essentially "raiding themselves" by idling their TCs because it's either too much micro or aren't playing enough to develop the muscle memory to queue villagers without having to think about it.
Pros make the argument that forcing your opponent to micro engagements to potentially make them forget to queue up villagers is a skill but adding auto villager queue would help so many casual players.

But then again my friend is in the deepest matchmaking trenches where he gets matched against people how stay at 30 villagers for the whole game so it all balances out and you don't really need to make the game easier for low skill players.
Like, perhaps if my friend decided to grind AoE and get better at it he would demolish the bad players he's playing against by just learning to always queue villagers.
Maybe it's good to have some micro tax like that, just to reward the players who are putting in the effort?

>>2098562
Last map pool when socotra won the pool I was super hyped to play it but everyone my elo banned it and I ended up playing arabia every game. People are so boring and only want to play arena arabia and nomad and ban everything else.

>>2098986
>a butcher will make better use of an animal than some random soldier
Soldiers can't gather food.

>>2099060
He's parroting Hera who's making the same argument.

i personally don't like the possible change where you can harvest animals killed by buildings/military units.
my reason? because it's how i feel and not through some shitty 'reasoning'

>>2099123
>Maybe it's good to have some micro tax like that, just to reward the players who are putting in the effort?
Just put the micro tax somewhere that is actually fun, like microing bigger impact military units like cavalry, scouts, siege engines.

Having to press <Select Town Center> and <Queue Villager> every 20 seconds when you've already made the decision to do so 10 minutes ago is NOT fun and engaging.
It's the number 1 design flaw of any game similar to Age of Empires and it's a game design atavism sustained only by the copium of veterans refusing to change anything about what they're used to.

>>2099114
>Villager autoqueue could probably work decently in AoE II
god stfu

>>2099149
uh I play megarandom

>>2099161
dude just fuck off to MOBAs

>>2099123
Yes and I think we've seen the memes where someone maybe kills 10 villagers when producing none at all in the span of five minutes. Another similar mistake is not making extra TCs if you can't make a good enough push with just one.

>Maybe it's good to have some micro tax like that, just to reward the players who are putting in the effort?

RTS is a hard genre but yes, DE's got a fair deal of amenities already. Automating everything out of convenience doesn't leave much of a game left, and something like the global queue feature is especially something I've found useful in this particular context with villagers and wish more games in the genre had it. On the other hand, in some cases it might not be fully desirable to have automated TCs in a similar way to some players not auto-reseeding farms.

what should i bind my 2 side mouse buttons to?

>>2099183
The default of TCs and idle villagers is already good. You can use modifier keys as well, mind you, so you can stack multiple TCs, all idle villagers, and all idle military shortcuts if you so wanted to.

>>2099149
I tend to ban arabia and arena and play on whats left. I don't want to go up against anyone playing the same map a thousand times.

They had the custom map pool in empires wars change for the red bull tournament, which they can change things up but don't want to.

>>2099149
In all fairness, nobody wants to deal the rushing lamefest that is Socotra

>>2099161
pushing a button to make a unit is literally the simplest shit possible in a rts. you can already select every town center on the map with a single hotkey. wanting auto build is like wanting auto aim in a fps.
>but auto scout
I'm against that existing too

>>2099183
Unironically make one a delete button.

>>2099223
I can understand if you dont want to play socotra but its every single map that isn't in the pool by default everyone bans

>last post 13 hours ago when we're far from bump limit
dead general
>inb4 people respond in less than 2 minutes

>>2099743
uh uh uh
buff hand cannons?!

>>2099770
i agree. im glad someone else thinks so as well.

I think they should NERF handcannons!

>>2099792
why would you say that? look. you're making him cry.

>>2099809
kek

what should I prioritise, royal heirs or elite shotel?

>>2099822
If you are facing cav, royal heirs
if not, elite shotels

A rather dumb question, anon

>>2099850
I was facing lithuanian cav (he only had 1 relic) and skirms

>>2098927
How does that counter laming, you still have to pull your boar towards your town center and your only military is a scout

>>2099856
Royal heirs, and also rush last infantry armor to negate skirm damage

>>2099860
current lame technique is killing sheep with scout, this plus the TC buff makes this gone.

>>2099880
I'm sure a lot of this general had people microing the starting scout under TC to kill sheep. hooray for a hera nerf I guess

I think the most laming I've done is using a scout to steal an elephant on haboob and maybe some goats if I'm lucky. That's still in plus any laming of hunting by just shooting it and letting it rot.
This does mean everyone can TC shoot boars with no fear of overkill. As much as it was cool to finally get it work, its also incredibly frustrating to know you are very behind, for essentially failing a qte, when it didn't work.

>>2099021
Dark age minigames exist to make the start of the game interesting otherwise you're literally staring at the screen waiting for feudal.

just have it where military units killing animals makes them still harvestable but not buildings. if hera is making TCs kill sheep, then the players are absolutely retarded.
what else are they microing in dark age that they cant move a sheep away from a scout? their cock and balls?

or just leave it as it always was, i dont care that much.

If you can lure enemy animals away and kill them in a vantageous spot you can camp the animal with militia or something and let it decay entirely still.

>>2099178
Shut the fuck up, you moron killing RTS.
You can shift the micro in RTS around without turning an RTS into a MOBA.

>>2099226
>pushing a button to make a unit is literally the simplest shit possible in a rts.
Yes, it's simple, and that makes it even worse.

But actually it's not one button - which an autoqueue button would be, ironically - it's usually at least two buttons, multiplied by the ~20-150+ villagers you might build, spread out over half an hour, but all of it is tied to the same single strategic decision of "make this unit I reach population X."
There's usually so little thought behind it, relative to the busywork required, even if we're taking the shallow decisions from attention economy into account.

So you do boring, mindless simple shit hundreds of times in every single match. Non-meaningful decisions tied to repetitive busywork, that's the kind of thing that game designers cut away immediately in all other genres. They cut away, or better, replace those with meaningful decisions that aren't just busywork.

Let's remove the retarded "queue one villager every 20 seconds" ritual by giving a _toggleable_ autoqueue and introduce new replacement rituals to keep the same level of attention required.
It doesn't even have to be fighting micro or MOBA abilities. You mentioned scouting. There's way more thought that goes into scouting, so add more more possibilities, more interaction with the opponent there, for example. Or add more economic rituals. Instead of 1, give me 5 kinds of villagers I build from every 20 seconds. Or it could just be about making informed decisions on where to place the villagers more frequently. Make me protect them, move them around and do stuff more frequently.
Do many of these things and it'll be just as stressful but less mindless.

There's so many areas where you could make micro decisions that actually matter, why only do the mindless micro decisions because a game designer thought 30 years ago that that's the best?

>>2100070
How about making it so you can auto-advance too?
I think making units auto-target enemies and auto-attack on their own would be good. Lets you take micro towards what matters that is mangonel dodging.
In fact why not make formation dodging automatic as well? We have auto-scout, why not auto-all?
Oh yea we have that it's called expectating an ai vs ai match.

>>2100078
What's with this autistic always going to extremes?

He wants to take away 0,000000001% of the micro, therefore he wants to take away 100% of the micro!!!!!!!! Even though he highlighted he'd be willing to add it elsewhere!

This is such a disingenuous rhetorical tactic. Why are auto-villagers such a holy cow to AoE2 players when AoM and AoE4 console players find it to be completely natural?
I've never seen a civil discussion about this, even when I didn't comment.

For me, it's freely spawning, auto-queued Ottoman villagers

>>2100082
I don't want the game to play itself. that means one command per mouse click or key press. automation means multiple actions for one key press. if you accept auto build you're halfway to those shitty games with auto micro stances.

>>2100082
just fucking play AoM or AoE4 then faggot

>>2099123
I wish the game had a sound alert for idle TCs.
>but you can see in the top left what you currently have in queue
Yeah but it's easier to notice the presence of something than the absence of it.

>>2099226
Auto scout is shit because it greatly favours one of the players over the other due to its patterns.

>>2100095
Dude looks suspiciously Greek in appearance.

>>2100095
>>2100210
happens more often than you think

>>2100095
That ottowoman looks hot I love upper lips like that.

It's officially OVER for ranged units in this game. Now all you have to do is spam Knights every game. Low IQ players will love this.

https://youtu.be/Fbo0H4_HLkE

>>2100637
players will actually have to make more than one unit type to win battles
the horror

>>2100637
>mods that replace buildings with symbols
Rankedfags are inhuman.

>base Camel Scout train time reduced to 22s
>Gurjara team bonus on top of that brings it down to 17s
>regular Scouts have 30s train time
>Archers have 35s and Skirms/Spears have 22s
They're going to be so easy to spam and they'll kill everything in Feudal except Spears which they can just run from

>>2100641
You can't play archers anymore. There is no way you can afford a large mass of Pikemen with your Crossbow mass.

>>2100691
you don't need a large mass

>>2100637
Wow, it's almost like fast melee units with high pierce armor should COUNTER archer units
Good fucking riddance, learn to make more than one unit

>>2100143
AoM did try really hard to shift the focus of the game from arbitrary busywork to stuff that people actually like but it couldn't get rid of "everyone goes cav if they can and the game ends in the second age".

>>2100637
Oh look, a concrete reason to bump knight food cost up to 90 or even 100.

>>2100637
I hope they change collisions in AoEIV too, that game has GIGANTING unit collisions and it's genuinely hard to get more than 20% of a melee army on top of a ranged stack.

>>2100637
Honestly I am extremely happy about this
I always found it bullshit how you never ever see anyone committing to infantry because a single fucking dude with a bow can effectively shut down 5 times his resource cost worth of swordsmen
Ranged units already have an inherent advantage in being able to deal a constant stream of damage without necessarily being in danger themselves, they should mostly be used as support units that sit behind a mass of infantry/fortifications and deny an area; a small cav mass being able to actually make contact with a formation of xbows should be devastating

>>2100637
so gay. i hate when units phase through each other.

>>2100763
Before this, I would have said knights needed a food cost reduction to make them more viable. If this does indeed fix them then good to leave the price as is

>>2100819
>leave the price as is
So no one'll make infantry past feudal?

>>2100828
Infantry will never be viable. Even after the April buffs, they're still worse than knights and crossbows. At this point, we should just embrace the knights and crossbows duopoly. Crossbows still have a bit too much of an edge over knights though, so it will be good if this upcoming update brings balance to that

>Infantry
Team game unit.

>>2100830
>At this point, we should just embrace the knights and crossbows duopoly.
Never.

>>2100830
just make infantry cheaper and it will become viable. It's ridiculous that the militia line is barely any cheaper than knights.
Militia line should cost
>25 food
>10 gold
and knight line should cost
>75 food
>100 gold
if we take history seriously in this game about historical medieval warfare. Fuck your gay balance and rock paper scissors meta. Give me history in my fucking history game

>>2100851
>if we take history seriously in this game about historical medieval warfare. Fuck your gay balance and rock paper scissors meta. Give me history in my fucking history game
Yes anon let me buff your totally historically accurate Aztec champions wearing full plate armor.

>>2100854
meso civs should get chronicles unique unit sprite treatment. And they don't have cavalry so at least there's a shred of historical accuracy there

>>2100854
mesos are stupid, yeah. Just make militia line look like little jags.

>>2100851
>if we take history seriously in this game
We don't. This game was NEVER about taking history seriously.

>>2100637
It's good change but I'll lose my mind if CA and handcannoniers will turn into trash tier unit again.

can someone explain to me how I'm supposed to beat byzantines? my winrate against it is dreadful
make gold units? get absolutely raped cost effectively
make trash units? still get raped cost effectively
make siege? buildings are indestructible
am I supposed to just spam militia line and hope I fuck him up enough so that he never gets to make a single cataphract? wtf do I do if I'm something like persian?

>>2094672
A-AWOOOOOOGAAAAA

>>2100830
they are viable though, meta even, they are just underwhelming in castle age

>>2100927
Pressure them really hard in feudal, it's when they are at their weakest
Longswords, crossbowmen and a few mangonels all will do well vs byzantine, just prevent him from getting a castle and produce catas

>>2100958
please stop objectifying female villagers
they are capable of collecting resources just as fast as any male villager and are worth 50 food same as them

>>2100973
>Longswords, crossbowmen and a few mangonels
nigga do i look like I'm made out of gold? triple gold comp?

>>2100637
melee fights are only interesting when you can use collision to block units and you have to go for big surrounds. making collision smaller will just turn it into a retard match of 2 blobs bumping into each other.

>>2100637
>>2100691
>>2100763
economy game
cope and seethe

>>2100993
>nigga do i look like I'm made out of gold?
Yes, for you are golden, anon

why don't archer players just make a few pikes to support their ranged units?

>>2101007
Because knights counter pikemen
That's what Hera said

>>2101008
do knights counter pikemen+xbow doe?

>>2100763
There's this tech introduced in The Conquerors Expansion that gives mounted units +20 HP.

Naturally, this tech did not exist in the original Age of Kings.

So basically, Bloodlines was a mistake, made because they didn't want to touch Franks' "+20% HP on mounted units"

>>2101013
Clearly

>>2100637
I think this nerfs my fav unit

>>2100637
Archers get fucked, awesome. If it proves to be too much, then I'm sure the devs could find a middle ground with adjusting collision.

>>2100637
Doesn't this also kill micro with melee units? I don't like this.

>>2100884
>We don't.
Oh yeah? Then why aren't aztecs fat spics with churro food trucks? Why aren't teutons gay faggots with dildo wagons? Why aren't saracens locked in a 15 second animation of beheading everyone they kill? You fucking dumb nigger cocksleeve

>>2101079
Ask me how I know you are American

>>2101080
I'd rather ask how far are you going to move that goalpost

>>2100927
Byzantines have zero eco bonuses, use that to your advantage to rush their ass while increasing the eco gap. Also use units that counter their trash, forcing them to choose a gold unit which you then counter yourself. Don't be afraid of cataphracts, unupgraded they're not impressive, while upgrades are so expensive it's just not effective to use them.
t. losing with Byz

They should just make aoe2 like empire earth or rise of nations (encompass all eras)

>July patch getting rid of food decay in AOE2
Quitting this game at 3 Kingdoms has turned out to be one of the best decisions I've ever made

>>2100637
>It's officially OVER for this game
FTFY

Devs managed to kill a golden goose for fucks sake.

>>2101277
What are you smoking anon, food decay is still in.

>>2101283
The PUP has no food decay retard

>>2101287
There's exactly one mention of the word decay and it's about not displaying the remaining food gauge when it's not gathered. Nothing about the decay itself.

>>2101277
they're not removing decay
they're changing so that animals killed by military and buildings can still be gathered from by vills, the animals will still decay like normal

>>2101287
good, get filtered micro nerd, macro gods rise up!

>>2101277
get fucked lamer

>>2101301
I will rip out your fucking throat

>>2100927
Sit on your ass and boom because byzantine is not an offensive civ.

>>2101307
you will do nothing, shitter

>>2101117
I accept your concession

>>2101384
For some reason you thought posting this would put you on the moral high ground

>>2101457
Like he said, you will not do anything, shitter

>>2101457
Ask me how I know your imperial age winrate is below 40%.

Go fight 1vs1 I'm curious how it would go on.

>>2101566
Do ranked games even reach imperial age?

>>2101439
your skin is brown therefore you concede by default. Thanks

>>2101778
>Brings browns out of the nowhere
Confirmed American
Leave this thread, we dont want your kind in this place.

>>2101745
somehow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU_-oELRinc
Hera's taste is kinda trash

>>2101819
It is. Main issues I have are the really nice euro castles in the top of A not being S and the malay castle being in S. What the fuck?

>Chronicles dev laid off
Uh-oh.

>>2101819
he wants recruitable heroes for every civilization and simps every changes devs make so it's not surprising.
>>2101834
literally every xbox studio got hit during layoff so it's not surprising.

>>2101832
For me it's the Inca castle being sent to D tier despite being one of the best ones.

>>2101834
New Battle for Greece DLC will be trash because of this
I hate to see it

>>2101861
Inca is at least realistically a defensive structure true. Aztec/maya is a completely indefensible temple. Really should have been compact walled complex for both of them. With 3 big steps or something.

>>2101861
idk why but ingame the inca castle looks very small,

>>2101895
i like how they look even if they are temples and not castles.

>>2101788
why do you keep responding? Fuck off already saar. You lost.

>>2101949
>why do you keep responding?
Because it makes you seethe.
>Fuck off already saar. You lost.
I won because you are mad.
Leave already, filthy American mongrel

>>2101834
it's actually fucking over for AoE2
Chronicles was the DLC I was actually looking forward to, game might as well be fucking dead now if the people behind battle for greece were fired in favour of the geniuses behind victors and vanquished and three kingdoms

>>2101834
Don't worry, Micro$oft will replace him with AI, just trust the plan

>>2101834
>>2101992
leddit says several captureage people including the other level designer were kicked out too
Chronicles is completely fucking dead

>>2102074
Is CaptureAge owned by Microsoft or some shit? Thought they were independent.

>>2102074
the absolute state of this franchise

>>2102076
I guess they got integrated into the MS umbrella, definitely teaches everyone to always stay a contractor and never get chained down
>>2102082
microsoft gaming division/xbox has been insanely incompetently ran for the past decade plus. flop after flop in both games and consoles, buying tons of studios just to nuke them right after, and even devs who manage to put out great financial and critical successes get fucked over in the mass layoffs because ???

>>2102074
I'm starting to unironically think they were killed in spite of their success because the production costs were too high for the execs' tastes.

Well at least we know the next DLC won't be Chronicles.

>>2102088
>even devs who manage to put out great financial and critical successes get fucked over in the mass layoffs because
It's MicroSoft, same kind of things happened when EA bought companies

>>2102074
hahaha we are so fucked, I guess it's time to preprare for more slopdlc, also why casters are radio silent about this?

>>2102138
why would they shit talk the corporation that helps fund a lot of events?

>>2102090
Sengoku Japan with different brands of Japanese. And hero units.

>>2102138
don't want to bite the hand that feeds

>>2101952
>Because it makes you seethe.
>I won because you are mad.
that's strange. How am I the mad one when you are the one writing peak seethe shit like
>Leave already, filthy American mongrel
you're literally boiling lmao

>>2102165
i dont care as long as they make the clans unique enough

>>2102351
>Gunpowder clan
>Cavalary clan
>Infintary clan
>Naval clan
Here, I just created 4 unique clans, this will 15$ no canpaign tho.

>>2102380
>>Infintary clan
>Yfw they have Ninjas

>>2102401
Probably UU of either Tokugawa or Hojo clan

>>2102401
>Ninjas can pass through walls because we need more gimmicks

>>2102519
>Ninjas are invisible to enemy units until close enough
>Scout/LC/Hussar and other civ equivalents can see them from longer distance

>>2102339
Just reminding you that you are not welcome, t'is all.

>>2102520
this is literally how it's done in Age4 except they can also disguise themselves as enemy units like a C&C spy

>>2102520
>Ninjas does +10 extra damage to villagers and be garrisoned in enemy building

>>2102546
>Ninjas garrisoned in enemy buildings fire arrows

>>2102567
Holy shit we can actually make it into autistic trollish unit

>>2102569
Would it be a stupid unit? Yes, but also funny

>>2102520
>>Ninjas are invisible to enemy units until close enough
Stronghold did it first!

>>2102597
That's exactly what I was referencing. Sadly the assassins were worthless if enemy dug moats or had double layered walls

>T90 is literally a made man from the Facebook deal
>Still capitulating and silent on Microsoft's enshittification of AOE2
I hate every goddamn eceleb ever

>>2102711
Fear is a strong force anon, you'd do the same.

>>2102711
What enshittification is that? The 25 year old game gets constant updates.

>>2102711
it's the nature of Americans to endlessly desire MORE no matter how rich they may be

>>2102718
the game would be in a vastly better state if they had stopped updating years ago

>>2102711
He's afraid of conflict and disagreements like most adults these days.

>>2102722
No, I like the game having more options than knights or archers, thanks.

>>2102722
No, it would be dead and unpopular
You are fucking delusional if you believe that

>>2102728
I dislike his attitude but I prefer when he's staying away from drama acting like average terminally online internet user, good for him.

>>2102784
What units do you make that aren't knights or archers? Scouts? Onagers?

>>2102845
Infantry

Stop saying infantry and then excluding the halb-line. You want to play militia.

i wanna play eagles but they die to everything not called pikemen in early castle, even skirms

>>2102872
But I do include the halb-line tho

>>2102917
Which sees plenty of play.

>>2102923
But never paired with militia-line

>>2102928
It's not my fault people are retarded.

>>2102931
...Okay?

>>2101834
>>2102074
But why?

>>2102928
so does people not using archers with skirms mean that archers don't get used?

>>2102928
because it doesn't synergize
if you want to kill cav and you're making militia you might as well stick to it and just make more

>>2102948
It does synergize, pikemen to easily kill cav and longsword to destroy buildings, such as stables and TCs
Why have a lot of Longsword casualties fighting knights when you can sprinkle a few pikemen and easily counter the knightfag?

any change that endorses NOT making skirms is a good change
god i hate playing skirms