>no games about the actual first world war, where a militarized Saxon-German Protestant state defeated every single other continental Great Power (France, Austria, Russia) and a few minor ones (Sweden, other German states) helped Great Britain to become Europe's only Superpower and contributed to the French Revolution by shattering the Sun King's Prestige
Why? Prussia was like the German Sparta.

>>2094627 (OP)
>>>/gsg/ is that way

>>2094633
Victoria 2 is not about the 18th century. It's about the 19th century.

>gets saved only because of world's first prussiaboo

>>2094645
That "luck" doesn't even compensate Prussia properly for being so unlucky to face both France and Austria in a war, despite them being natural rivals, as well as Russia for absolutely no rational reason (they have paranoid delusions about Prussia taking the Baltics from them, despite Prussia not being a naval power and also a hostile Saxony-Poland being in the way) joining the war against them. And it doesn't even last. The Prussiaboo dies almost immideately and Russia breaks the alliance and is Prussia's rival again, but at this point they are too busy elsewhere to join the war again.

>>2094627 (OP)
The first "World War" was the 30 Year War that wiped out 1/3 of Europe's entire population.

>>2094658
Please stop taking history lessons from pop culture and games and actually open a book. Just reading that gave me a second-hand embarrassment. The entire 7 years' war was a culmination of all the late 17th and the entire 18th century politics.
also
>The Prussiaboo dies almost immideately and Russia breaks the alliance and is Prussia's rival again, but at this point they are too busy elsewhere to join the war again.
Russia remained one of Prussia´s few allies basically until the Crimean War.

>>2094681
>The entire 7 years' war was a culmination of all the late 17th and the entire 18th century politics.
It wasn't actually. It was a radical break from the politics of old. Prussia emerged as a Great Power, a Great Power being a Power, who can enforce their own political goals without relying on a backer, who uses them as proxy in a game with other Great Powers. This caused a diplomatic revolution. It's even called literally that. If you read so many books, you should have known about this. Old traditional alliances like the one between Austria and Britain were abandoned. Prussia's attitude as a fledgling Great Power enraged France, who didn't tolerate their willful attitude, who wanted to punish them for making their own peace deals without french approval.

>>2094627 (OP)
There are a few out there. Strategic Command: World War I seems to be the most popular, but I haven't tried it yet.

>>2094695
>>2094627 (OP)
Skimmed post without looking at pic, disregard

>>2094627 (OP)
A tale about a gay man facing off against his greatest nemeses: women.

>>2094627 (OP)
They got blown the fuck out constantly. The only reasons they didn't just roll over and die were Frederick being really good, England having lots of money, every enemy who won a decisive battle having urgent business elsewhere and that one Russian who followed Catherine being a giant wehraboo.

And don't compare them to those total shitters in Sparta, most overrated militarists in history.

>>2094694
See your problem is you think Prussia was the focus point of the 7 years war. It wasn't. France and England were brawling all around the world and central europe was just one pot. Central europe ends up status quo, with Prussia not doing anything of significance until 1814 if you're generous and 1866 at the latest.

The most important results of the seven years war were colonial.

>>2094751
>They got blown the fuck out constantly.
Prussia was often always on the attack and made extremely aggressive maneuvers. They were willing to take much greater risks. They would storm well-fortified positions, while not even having a real numerical advantage. It's not like they were playing only defensively and got blown the fuck out. They were intentionally fighting with worse odds for greater strategical gain or tempo, because they were confident in themselves. I would even say they should have chilled out a bit. Just because they had such a great infantry and cavalry, who could win such fights, doesn't mean you should.

>And don't compare them to those total shitters in Sparta, most overrated militarists in history.
They weren't overrated. They were Greece's natural Hegemon and when they defeated Athens, they truly became it's Hegemon. The Spartans were just unable to reform their political System into a proper Imperial System and stopped the few renegade Spartans, who were trying to do that outside of their System. They also beat the Persians.

>>2094755
No, the most important theatre of war was Europe. Prussia was fighting a war to prove they were a Great Power. Other Great Powers like France, Austria and Russia didn't accept their status yet. They had to prove it. They were fighting on, even when GB wanted to pull out of the war and reduced their support. They were proving that they weren't a minor state, who was only a game piece for other Great Powers. Prussia directly contributed to France losing their colonies, because they sent so many resources to fight Prussia. They were in big trouble and it shattered their prestige.

Also you have to understand that Prussia was destined like Alexander the Great to take more chunks of Germany. They had all of their finances in order, ambition and an excellent army. Not winning more from the Silesian war was a HUGE opportunity cost, which significantly delayed the unification of Germany.

>>2094767
Prussia didn't become a great power though. They were the free-for-all buffer zone between France, Sweden, Russia and Austria. Everyone fought Prussia when they had an advantage and England kept them going because they drained their opponents manpower, money and time. About the only things meaningful Frederick obtained for his nation were a reputation for efficient soldiery, which they already mostly had, and Silesia. He never got Saxony, nor Poland, nor...what was the principality he wanted before it all started? The Palatinate? Either way, Prussia made minor gains and bled a lot for them.

I do wonder how good Freddy was. Napoleon respected him. How well would revolutionary France have done with Frederick in Napoleon's place and vice versa? That could be a cool game, if you could even make it work. Too complex for current game systems.

>>2094770
>Prussia didn't become a great power though.
Your opinion doesn't matter. Contemporary Great Powers by that point all considered Prussia to be a Great Power, one of their own.

>>2094627 (OP)
There's TW: Empire

>>2094658
>start wars with all your neighbors
>lose
>noooo how could this happen, unlucky
You are a fucking retard

>>2094772
They did not. Prussia did not become a great power until the german unification.

>>2094793
>Prussia did not become a great power until 1830s
Ftfy
They gobbled down so much clay post-Vienna, it's just crazy, and happened to have politicians competent juuust enough to run a functional state busy industralizing itself right from the start.
Unification, meanwhile, ended up being their own biggest problem, since they got high on their own farts and "power", particularly past the Berlin Conference

>>2094627 (OP)
isn't it kinda lame that Prussia won the continental theatre for Britain but got basically jack shit out of the whole ordeal? they should have just not done it.

>that austria

if
fucking
only
bros
its so sad

>>2094977
Can you detail what exactly made them good in the 1830s? I honestly don't know. I know Leipzig and Waterloo, and the general outrage from being dismembered and humiliated by Napoleon finally lit a fire under them, but beyond Bismarck later on I'm not aware of any particular events.

>>2095063
Welcome to trusting anglos.

>>2094669
actually the first world war was when Alexander the Great curbstomped Persia in less than a decade and made Darius run like a bitch from battle twice.

Why are there no good strategy games set in the 18/19th century?

Cossacks 3 is fun to play, but gets extremely repetitive, there's no strategy variety there.
Cossacks 2 is great with its variety of units (visually anyway) and focus on maneuvers.
AoE3 is just ass and unfun.

>>2095095
>world is just the near east
gtfo brownoid

>>2094627 (OP)
>defeated every other continental Great Power
Wrong. Russia whipped their ass, but their Tsar was a German so he didn't punish Prussia for losing.

>>2094669
Nah. Too localized in Central Europe.
I'd argue the real World War Zero was the Napoleonic Wars, maybe even the Seven Years War.

>>2096311
>maybe even the Seven Years War
The Seven Years War it's definitely the World War Zero, fought in every continent except Oceania and Antarctica. The British fought the French in North America, West Africa, India and the Caribbean, and the Spanish in the Philippines and the Caribbean, the Portuguese fought the Spanish in South America.
The only really global conflict of the 30 Years War was the Dutch-Portuguese War in Brazil, Angola and the East Indies.

>>2094770
You are talking out of your ass like crazy. They just got Silesia? What the fuck do you think Brandenburg and Prussia looked like at the time? Maybe 20 people and 75 cows lived in those shit holes. Combined. The western inheritance of Jülich and Kleve were very modern and productive, but tiny possessions and culturally closer to the Dutch than Prussia. Silesia immediately became Prussia's richest, most populous province. And in the 7 Years War, Prussian ownership over it was solidified enough that it would remain part of Prussia and then the German Empire until 1945. This is the point that most historians would consider Prussia's elevation to one of Europe's great powers.
t. actually studied history

This is the quintessential /vst/ brain.
>durr, wen i concur id in yuroba unvasalis, silesia is so bad u guyz, i alredy develop brandenbheg wif mana so much, it dun mattur

>buffer zone for Sweden
You have to absolutely smoke crack. Did DLC-making hands type this? Is Johan still lurking here? You have to be out of your mind to consider Sweden a European great power in the 18th century, especially the second half. Prussia (under Frederick's father) joined the Great Northern War opportunisticly late to regain the Pomeranian provinces they should've inherited a century earlier and thereby booted Sweden's face out of Central Europe. Baltic Sea dominance my ass.

>they didn't even annex Poland
They split it with Russia and Austria ten/thirty fucking years later. THREE TIMES. But yeah, they weren't viewing Prussia as an equal, they just wanted to do something nice for their favourite buffer zone of mighty SWEDEN.

>>2096375
The only flaw I see is that the impact of the Seven Years War was not close to the consequences of the Napoleonic Wars.
The Seven Years War looks to me like just one big war, like the War of Spanish Succession lr the Great Northern War.

OP is embarrasing, his posts read like a 14 year old german nationalist
>Muh prussiunsh were too good bro, maybe if they weren't that good they would not have gotten BTFO so hard.

Austria should have genocided every prussian when it had the chance, cannot stand northern germans.

FILTHY FUCKING POLOID GIVE ME BACK PRUSSIA

>>2094627 (OP)
The Sun King was dead for almost half a century at that point you tard.

>>2096607
>was not close to the consequences of the Napoleonic Wars.
It's pretty hard to match the consequences of the Napoleonic Wars, but apart from the French Invasion of Egypt, the Haiti War, and the British side-quests of annexing South Africa and fighting the Americans in the War of 1812, it was pretty exclusively a European War. Much like the 30 Years War, it was a huge European War but it didn't had the global reach of the Seven Years War.
>Seven Years War looks to me like just one big war
It had big consequences for the British, making them the premier colonial power in North America and India, it pretty much ended the First French Colonial Empire, it marked the definitive end of any claim Spain had to be a major European power, it greatly weakened the Austrian dominance of Germany and made Prussia one of the major European powers. Those are big consequences in three different continents.

>gay homo from north germany shits up europe and makes lots of germans die; is fellated by ameris who love jackboots
many such cases

>>2096706
why are gay germans like this? they see a europe untouched by war and go into hulk-mode and kill as many white people as possible

>>2096711
>18th century Europe, one of the bloodiest centuries in its history, is "untouched by war"
Am I really falling for bait this bad?

>>2095088
They just became good okay? The best even. I'm jerking off to epic prussian prussia RIGHT NOW. Furiously. Mmmmmm prussia was so epic and I lack chin btw.

There I was, about to make a thread asking if there are any good 18th century Prussiacore strategy games, ideally with a focus on the line warfare and artillery, and some underage faggot has to make a polradox tier shit thread burning the topic for the time being.
Thanks OP, you're even a bigger faggot than Fredererick's brother (who was already a bigger faggot that ol' Fritz himself).

>>2099396
>OP, you made an active thread on a slow board about a hyper-specific topic I am interested in and now I'm mad, how could you do this?
First time on 4chan, friend?

>>2095088
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriegsspiel?useskin=vector
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=German_General_Staff&useskin=vector
My understanding is that Prussia was a country ruled by a caste of autists whose sole fixation was war. These murderous autists came up with two very important innovations, the modern general staff and kriegsspiel, so after the Napoleonic Wars an independent, professional and meritocratic military caste of murderous autistic junkers was able to retain and build on their experience fighting Napoleon.

>kriegsspiel games were managed by experienced umpires who actually fought wars, so young officers could discuss battlefield tactics in a systematic and controlled manner based on real experience
>general staff, and training of actual staff officers, meant institutional experience of the practical affairs of running an army were retained in subsequent generations and there was a basic level of competence that wasn't reliant on having a genius general
>learned the right lessons, that aggression, initiative and maneuverability were the keys to victory
>series of competent and innovative people like helmuth von moltke emphasising a practical and grounded approach to warfare

I never really studied this but I believe these are the key points. Probably helps too that Germans are naturally bloodthirsty and while a Russian peasant would rather be chopping wood and chugging vodka and a Frenchman would rather be fucking prostitutes, a German is more than happy to kill foreigners when conscripted.

>>2099453
I imagine that autism of the good kind.

>>2094627 (OP)
This never happened

fucking protestants should all be shot

>>2099890
go lick nigger feet catholick cuck

>>2099890
pedophiles should stop posting

>>2094627 (OP)
>Sparta
And Sparta was a meme that got BTFO by a bunch of Theban homos.

>>2100131
Oh no no no no no spartasisters, is that true?

>>2094627 (OP)
>helped Great Britain to become Europe's only Superpower
what a shit country, I hope its memory is erased forever

>>2100151
An Athenian once asked a Spartan why they made such small and cheap offerings to the gods.
>so that we may always have something to offer them
he replied

>>2094708
Women are not enemies of gay men because it's the defeated status and a mock version of their actual greatest enemies: decent heterosexual males

>>2100301
We were always the best possible option, you can cry and whine and shit your pants over it but it's true
>france as superpower
Constant war
>germany as superpower
Constant war
>russia as superpower
Would have been constant war but nukes were invented first
>Great Britain as superpower
A century-long golden age for europe equalled only by the five good emperors

>>2100368
shut up Nigel

>>2100368
>france as superpower
European Supremacy over the planet
>germany as superpower
European Supremacy over the planet and a transition into a post-Christian culture, which would forever cement European Supremacy
>russia as superpower
Eastern Despotism pre-Communism, End of the West post-Communism
>Great Britain as superpower
Unable to transition their status as the Hegemon into a proper Empire. Self-destructive Religious Liberalism infecting every single other White Nation on the planet. From European Supremacy to literally being replaced in their own Homeland in less than 200 years, less time than the timespan of most Empires.

>>2100417
>European Supremacy over the planet
This was never Napoleon's legacy
>European Supremacy over the planet and a transition into a post-Christian culture, which would forever cement European Supremacy
When did this happen?
>Eastern Despotism pre-Communism, End of the West post-Communism
Russia was not a superpower, pre- or post-communism
>Self-destructive Religious Liberalism infecting every single other White Nation on the planet. From European Supremacy to literally being replaced in their own Homeland in less than 200 years, less time than the timespan of most Empires.
This is what America did as to Europe as a superpower, not Britain

All in all a 0/10 post cobbling alt-his fantasies together in basic contradiction to what the historical facts show that various countries do with power

>>2100334
spartans were jewish?

>>2100368
>>2100417
france and germany have never been superpowers

>>2100509
They have, under Charlemagne and Otto III, respectively.

>>2100100
do you kiss your whore mother with that mouth, heretic?

>>2100896
i kiss your whore mouther with that mouth

>>2100526
Yo don't know what a superpower is.

>>2101674
yes i do

>>2101674
Apparently you do. Please, then, enlighten us.

>Ctrl+F
>"empire total war"
>nothing

WTF is even the point of this thread? OP wanted to talk about the Seven Years War but /his/ is too shit for any proper discussions?

>>2094658
nigga thinks real world wars are meant to be balanced

>>2101823
This is /vst/ nigga

>>2101968
>disprove the myth that Prussia only won the war, because of "luck"
>get accused of believing in luck, when I only dismantled the luck argument from the luck-sayers based on their own beliefs

>>2101823
This one was so bad that I have never bought another CA game since