It was quite fine

>>2112534 (OP)
dow 2 is just reskinned company of heroes
company of heroes is actually a good game, so dow 2 being derived from it also resulted in a good game
all hate towards this game is merely because it isnt like the first one i would say
nevertheless dow 3 exists now, dow 2 looks great in comparison

>>2112541
>dow 2 is just reskinned company of heroes
false; coh was good

>so dow 2 being derived from it also resulted in a good game
false; it did not

>false; coh was good
>false; it did not

>>2112534 (OP)
>It was quite fine.
It wasn't, really.

>>2112534 (OP)
It sucked, actually

I liked the ideas, but it could have been executed better. The campaign was incredibly tedious as you are constantly reminded of how badly the AI cheats. No reason for Orks to have foot soldiers with more HP than a dreadnought.

The elite mod for retribution is very fun, if you re not afraid of playing online.
Anons here should try FFA games

It was / is alright.
Gets overrated by
>uhm actually the widespread opinion on this game is wrong it was incredible/actually dogshit uhm
fags but thats life.

Campaign balance definitely sucks but its fun enough, the idea is there.

>>2112534 (OP)
It was great, just not what people expected from a dow sequel so all the retards got butthurt and started spreading that it was bad. If it came out under a different name then the reception would have been different.

>>2112902
PvP is the real shine
Compstomp AI is garbage

>>2112930
I agree, played 100 hours of pvp on that mod; never played anything like it.
Other favorite of mine would be wc3, but never really played that one online much sadly

>>2112911
Yeah maybe they should have called it something else then.

>>2112902
>if you re not afraid of playing online.
i am as afraid of playing online as homophobes are of homosexuals. it is not fear, but disgust.
multiplayer is the gateway that allowed normies to destroy vidya, change my mind.

>>2113453
I'm sorry to hear that being faced with your own inadequacies makes you cry, bro.

I played a few hundred hours of DoW2 in 1v1 and 3v3. It had its ups and downs in balance, but I thought overall it was pretty good. It's pretty much Company of Heroes but with very short time to kills and hero units in place of doctrines.

My biggest complaint about the game is just how quickly things can fall apart in the first few minutes if there's a skill gap, because melee is largely lethal, especially to retreating units, not immediately retreating your units when they get in danger largely leads to squad wipes, getting caught early and losing your power generator node largely leads to you never recovering. It's worse than losing a fuel node in CoH because you have to pay requisition to replace those and they could at one point be killed by spiked grenades very early into the match. I also hate that they changed the armor on the walker units where anti-infantry weapons can threaten them, removes most of their early game pressure and makes them significantly worse in a melee context.

>>2112902
Elite's player base is absolutely fucking ass and it's miserable to play with them. The mod itself is good but you'll spend 90% of your playtime juggling between lobbies that never start, being insulted by 3rd worlders, finally launching games that end in a surrender in 5 minutes because one guy forgot to buy gens and then watching every lobby thereafter implode trying to blacklist the guy who played poorly even though there are only 6 people playing.

>>2112902
Yeah, Elite makes the dogshit MP of DoW2 into a top tier game

Retribution had a great campaign in my opinion my only real annoyances are that Chaos had Eliphas again and the Eldar fought other Eldar, which maybe someone can correct me as I'm not super knowledgeable about their lore outside of fundamentals but it felt weird.

>>2112902
Elite changes Basedmedes to dogshit nobody (I assume Force Commander from the original+CR but with a new portrait).

>>2116202
CW Eldar can fight CW Eldar but they'd need really good reasons for it.

>>2116216
I do not recall what reason it was in Retribution's Eldar campaign but I'm certain the mission objectives do not change so it must have been something relatively mundane like getting to a portal or searching for Kyras' signal.

I bet it was dumb. Macha in DoW1 is dumb and I've read some spoilers that in 3 she sics Gorgutz's orck on the Eldar under a power-hungry Autarch and is shocked by how many fellow Eldar those savages kill. Then she teams up with Gorgutz for the finale.

I am not sure about Kaurava one and Taldeer but aside from the Retribution's Idranel recolor (who wisely stays quiet) I think Idranel is probably the best portrayal of them in DoW. She has a pretty straightforward if ruthless plan (buff up local Orks so that they can challenge the Tyranids and failing that destroy the subsector to starve them, fuck the humans). She just didn't account for a band of immortal space marines that can summon infinite reinforcements for their squads being that good. Then maybe she is a shit Farseer if she couldn't foresee that.

I'd buy a DoW2 remaster if it came with a workshop so I didn't have to use the elite mod patcher, even if it has gotten much better.

>>2112534 (OP)
The only thing that stuck with me and which I hated was the sad number of models on the field at any given time. Oh, yes, our chapter deploys five men stop a bug invasion of 12 "men."