Thread 2181688

ITS SO FUCKING OVER
EUV is going to be a pile of shit unless you have 200 other people to play with since the AI isn't going to do jackshit. The game is coming out in about 2 weeks. There is no way they can fix this for the release date.
Remember how all the youtubers told their audience how well the AI was playing? Well it turns out they fucking lied.
For people who don't know: Youtube channel titled WonderProductions released an AI only timelapse of the game from 1337 to 1836 using the october 16th patch and the result was pic rel.
The worst part of the timelapse is that even where the AI did something, its something absolutely batshit stupid like Polish Finland.

Same combat system as CK3, just build Men-at-arms and wipe the floor with the AI.
https://youtu.be/T9gZKJpXxNw&t=1668

they will sell this game to as many people as possible with low hanging fruit youtube and reddit promotions, who will ditch it within a week. anything to tell the shareholders. paradox red was fred wester's get out of jail free card

>>2181688 (OP)
still pre-ordering lol, lmao

>>2181688 (OP)
As usual anon Just pirate It, and if you want, buy It After like 3 years of patches and DLCs at a discount price

>NOTHING
>EVER
>HAPPENS
based!

>>2181815
Even 'Imperator: Rome' received post-launch updates for a year or so.

>>2181688 (OP)
i think many of the states on their map shouldnt even be independent in 1444

>>2181950
the game starts in 1337 so there's a lot more fragmentation everywhere

fragmented like the mapgame community when once timelapsegate did open their eyes

>>2181688 (OP)
Anyone who buys a paradox game on release deserves it. Fucking retards.

>>2182045
>when once timelapsegate did open

>>2182071
He's talking all poetical and shit you fcuknig cretin. GOD You just pissed me off!

>>2181688 (OP)
The Youtubers didn't lie. Remember how the very first impressions of the game were how players were able to make a massive amount of profit from Trade?

Well ... Paradox "fixed" that problem and completely crashed the economy. Let me explain. Everything was balanced around the massive amount of profit generated by trade. By nerfing it, because "this seems like players make too much money from it", every other portion of the game was affected. How the AI spends money on Forts, on standing armies, on buildings, etc. By nerfing trade profits Paradox accidentally destroyed their entire system, which worked fine before. They had to completely change how professional armies work, because in the subsequent patches Youtubers showcased how big of an advantage players had for building standing armies early. They had to give free fort maintenance, which runs completely counter to their initial EUV design principles, so AIs can maintain forts. They had to demolish their POP market system and stimulate it with Shadow Demon Credit like Victoria 3. Now POPs can buy things even if they don't have any money, because it keeps the economy running. Which they only had to do, because they made trade extremely unprofitable in the first place, because they took the feedback "wow, I made so much money from this" as "Oh no, this is so bad, this needs to be more challenging".

What you are seeing is just the end result of Paradox sabotaging their own game and ignoring all of the lofty ideals and design principles they had for their Magnum Opus, because of Feedback from people, who by now have played thousands of hour of EUV and do EU4 challenge videos as their job. This is like Blizzard only catering to no-life Elite Raider Guilds, which make up 0.01% of the population and making the game worse for everyone else. Paradox should not have listened to them!

>>2182183
>Let me explain
Stopped reading here

>>2182186
At first I wanted to pretend to be one of the people with an Early Access Code, that is why I wrote my post like this. Sorry.

>>2182183
>paradox base their development on a handful of content creators' sweaty ulm wcs and ruin the game for everyone else in the process
who could have seen this coming

>>2182183
>paradox listened to the minmaxers again
NEVER listen to those kinds of faggots.

>>2182189
Your heartfelt apology made me go back and read your entire post, anon. I hope the game is good. I’m looking forward to it and plan to give it a try when it comes out.
>t. started w eu2, loved Imperator and early eu4 before the bloat

>>2182183
According LemonCake AI constructed a fort in every province.
I don't even know how they fucked AI that hard.
Like in EU4 AI has a fort budget, it spends X-percentage of their income on forts. So, it literally can't build fort ine every province.

>>2182186
>>Let me explain
Every time I see that type, I'm just hearing AI voice-over, because the same phrase is every youtube short by the same AI voice as well

>>2182206
>loved Imperator
Are we talking release or 2.0?

>>2182217
Both, though 2.0 was overall better. I played it at release and had fun, though I was annoyed with the bugs and how paradox introduced new bugs while rushing to push hotfixes out.

>>2182208
If they didn't adjust the AI so they're still trying to build forts everywhere then they'll be fucked. Even eu4 has the issue of the AI building forts for the sake of building forts if it's in their budget to do so.

>>2182055
stellaris was more fun at release than it is now
i didn't buy it, get it free from some give away

>>2181688 (OP)
I genuinely do not understand how Paradox Interactive, which has made dozens of these kinds of games before, still fucks up something as foundational as opponent AI in a (predominantly) single player game. This is in the age of actual AI as well, there are no excuses.

Can you imagine if devs in any other genre were incapable of making enemies challenging? Why does PDX get a free pass because the """"systems"""" are elaborate? They would be laughed out of the industry. Anyone can make super complicated systems but making them fun and challenging is another thing entirely.

>>2182268
>This is in the age of actual AI as well
We have nothing remotely like actual AI.

>>2182268
>age of actual AI

>>2182269
If commercially available AI can learn how to play other video games it can learn how to play fucking EUV nigger. The ONLY reason AI is a problem for them is because they are incompetent

>>2182257
I mean how would you do it?

Personally, I think they should just treat forts like immobile armies.

>>2182272
There is no such thing as AI, commercially available or otherwise.

>>2182183
Tbh that all sounds moddable, I hope. Just increase trade profits again, buff standing armies, add fort maintenance but maybe do an AI discount if they can't handle it, make goods cost something

ezpz :^)

>>2182268
>This is in the age of actual AI as well,
lmfao

Based, fuck the turks and fuck the ottomemes

>>2182268
"AI" is just google that makes up lies for you

Good AI doesn't sell games, therefore, PDX will never make games with good AI. Enjoy your 3d toy soldiers and epic flags

>>2181688 (OP)
This will unironically boost their sales. The biggest filter for their games was people rage-quitting after being swallowed by a big neighbor within the first half hour of gameplay. No aggressive enemies mean more normies will be able to play the game. Every single decision made by Paradox in last 10 years confirms that their only focus is on appealing to normies, not to their fanbase who wants a realistic and challenging experience.

Oh look, a /gsg/igger thread that escaped its containment.

>>2182376
>this will boost sales
the comments under the timelapse video sure sound like a bunch of people are eager to play the game

>>2182380
You need to stop blaming all your problems on /gsg/. We're an insular thread, focusing on inward perfection.

>>2182380
Oh look, a retarded nigger who can't filter threads he doesn't like

>>2182385
most of the fags that have been complaining about this game since it's announcement don't even play paradox games thoughbeit, so they are statistically irrelevant

>>2182385
>As if
They’re all lined up to buy it and paint the map into a purple blob.

>>2182390
as opposed to the imaginary people that you made up?

>>2182394
keep moving the goalpost

>>2182385
yea? they will bitch and moan every step of the way but will still bring the dollars, thats how it is

>>2182395
You lost Wizkek

>>2182269
>>2182271
>>2182290
>>2182330
what spell is this that has been cast on you? because LLM integrates web it's suddenly not AI? do you imagine that tech isn't iterative, that the skynet of the future should it come to be won't operate on much the same basis?

the point made is true: there are AI models that could at least get turks in constantinople by 1836; probably they would do so will some skill and personality

instead, as predicted, they just suped up ottoman power to blob instead of anything actual intuitiveness or forward-minded, and we're right back to where eu4 was at, just with a much, much more demanding button clicking cycle for the player, and no meaningfully emergent gameplay at all

>>2182396
How is it moving the goalpost? The people who make those comments will be buying the game just out of curiosity. The normies will see a nice looking map in the game and will buy it without checking anything. It's win-win.

how often will a russian moderate power inherit and control the destiny of europe's north-east? i would predict never
how often will qara qouynlu or other turkomans, or another anatolian turkish dynasty besides ottomans, or perhaps silicia on occasion challenge for dominance over anatolia instead of the sickly green blob every game? after overcorrecting, and with dlc's coming, probably never
the same can be extrapolated unto the breadth of the map, and so one must ask, is this a game that really invites curiousity or positive interaction from imaginative or creative players? my assessment tells me no

>>2182406
An LLM isn't AI because it doesn't think. It is not intelligent. It is a "most likely token" predictor, retard.

>>2182406
Don't bother talking with the AIislebubblefags

going back to the very first tinto talk psy-op dev diary i would say it's clear the emphasis of the design of this game was never really on creating something that stood on its own as something of beauty or fascination. rather, it was to jampack some slightly more troublesome features-that-worked-in-previous-games onto the screen so the dopamine addled can spin on hamster wheel and paint it blurple. contrary to paradox games in the past, i don't think anyone is ever going to load up this game for the pure wonder of it, y'know, like what's going to happen this game. it's like they somehow managed to carry over the present staleness of eu4 and double down on it so that no longer does the same thing happen every game, nothing happens at all

>>2182183
source
>my ass

>>2182411
>anyday now

>>2182409
not an argument
>>2182410
your brain is a most likely token predictor

i don't ask because i wish to defend ai; my spidey senses tell me it's cause its some kind of 'don't panic' psy-op was deployed on you. having seen what this technology can do, it's in no way unremarkable unless you doing some heavy rationalizing. my guess is there are some pop-science esque videos on youtube with mill+ views that informed your opinion before you had one

done reddit steven bonel posting for a good while anyway
for clarity i barely cared about eu5 before timelapsegate it just pains me autism to see shills lie and drones cope when i used to have an affinity for these games
it looks crap

>>2182422
Ok, cool. LLMs aren't AI.

obviously hit on something then

>>2182408
Kyiv becoming a great power instead of Muscovy is more likely given the historical context. IRL Muscovy managed to do it by their ultimate cumsuckery to the Mongols while other Slavic states were weakened by Mongol raids. The same goes for the Ottomans, they were not likely to conquer all that land as a small irrelevant state. That's why 1444 start date made more sense historical accuracy wise. Even without meaningful bonuses, they would still be able to expand due to their advantageous starting position. What is seen in the timelapse makes sense for an earlier start date, and the only way to make it “historical” would be to give a ridiculous amount of bonuses to the countries that are supposed to be successful or they could make the AI smarter for those successful nations.

I personally don’t care about historical accuracy. I play the game to create something different from history. So, if anything, it’s good that historically successful countries fail in these maps. The only disappointment is that no one grows enough, leading to a stalemate pretty much everywhere.

Historical accuracy fags should watch timelapse videos on youtube and masturbate to them instead of playing games.

>>2182434
>Kyiv becoming a great power instead of Muscovy is more likely given the historical context
doubt it
if not Moscow lithuanians would steamroll and take everything east

>>2182431
Stefan is still better than the other one

>>2182435
Lithuania was never a major player in the region. Poland had more influence, but its fragmented political system never allowed it to truly expand through military power. When it comes to real influence and power, it was either Kyiv or Novgorod. Or simply getting steamrolled by the Golden Horde.

>>2182437
nigga pls
I can tell that you got all your knowledge from paradox games

>>2182440
A-ha spotted the Baltic-fag. Sorry mate, without NATO holding your hand, you wouldn't even be a country.

>>2182441
>dlc's
Holy thirdie
Literally every person that whines about dlcs is brown. I even found some guy in the steam discussions that was crying about EU4+dlcs costs the equivalent of $600+ in his local currency.

autism check
you failed

if the choice is between a '96 coupe and eu4+dlcs i think i'll take the car

>>2182447
its a countable noun, nigger

>>2182443
you missed you dumb ape
if anything it would be NATO that finish off baltics and not cucktin who want to be usa best friend
anyway, at the time Gediminids have much more influence than impoverished and depopulated Kiev that they easily took or Novgorod who could not defend itself. The Golden horde suffered from diseases and succession crisis's that always follow. They still was force to be wary but not its influence was rapidly fading
The only real player with military force was Lithuania(later with Polish backing) and Moscow with it robust military and fortification system
With how rapidly Lithuanians elites were going ruthenizning themselves there may be possibility that they not Moscow united Rus, especially if Moscow failed for some reason

>>2182455
So it gets a possessive 's?
I guess it's cookie's and apple's too.

>>2182455
that's what makes it a mistake

>>2182455
OH NONONONONO look at this dooood

>>2182457
>With how rapidly Lithuanians elites were going ruthenizning themselves
Citation needed.

>>2181688 (OP)
They called me a madman, and yet I was right yet again.

>>2181688 (OP)
>filename
Yup, it's mental illness.

this dude is a legend. this pr guy had no idea what he was OKing,, probably thought '30s timelapse' meant brief obfuscatory montage of crap like 90% of the other 'content creators' *spits* put out. only among the shills with the balls to inform his audience what guaranteed all of them had identified as a glaring flaw with the game. *salutes*

>>2182511
>one screenshot or up to 30s of gameplay
>30s of gameplay is 720 screenshots at 24fps or 900 at 30.

https://youtube.com/shorts/Pwsht0Syj68?si=QpZDrbNvF5pnLhdi

the sample size just doubled

12th and 13th century crusader states and khanates are ready to stand against napoleon

>>2182547
>>2182554
Too many estate revolts

Did you retards seriously expect to get a functional game at release from parashit? How fucking new are you?

>>2182560
They fell for the marketing shills.
How else do you explain being excited for a game from a studio that hasn't made a good game in 12 years? From a creator that explicitly stated he's chasing a new audience of slop eaters, no less.

Don't care I will still buy it and have fun, EU4 is obsolete and needs to be put to rest.

actually the revolts are tuned down for this one by way of emergency marketing patch. you can see turks gained another couple of hectares as well, for the same reason

>defeatism and dooming over shit that can be tweaked by changing a few lines of code
couldn't be me, lole

always wanted to see what europe would been like without hohenzollerns and habsborgs

yes, the line of code that puts it on sale on the 4th

>>2182569
I think you forgot to quote my post, let me help you fren >>2182567

>>2182441
fucking kek

>>2182447
>be me
>buy eu4
>buy the first few DLCs
>stop buying them in 2017 when it's clear they're bloatmaxxing the game
Problem solved

Hey folks, just saying — if EU5’s launch feels a bit rough, maybe check out Victoria 3 and its new DLC. Heard it’s shockingly good these days. Wiz and the team had been hard at work to constantly supply the fandom with new content.

>>2182547
The only country that seems to actually grow and keep it for a long period is France everyone else just sits there and experiences revolts and territory loss

>>2182406
>what spell is this that has been cast on you?
It's called Opus Copus, it has been cast on everyone in shit meme fields like art, marketing or tech (codemonkeyry) who are afraid of losing their meme jobs to AI so they try to discredit it in every opportunity available.

500 yrs of rgo inputs and outputs and estates management and you too can witness the Peloponnese trickle

pyrenees that would be

lol this piece of shit has 5 DLC announced already, which one will fix the AI? none

>>2182595
>muh dlc
brown hands wrote this post

>>2181688 (OP)
Computer, increase aggression by sixty percent. Enable random lucky nations... and initiate bonus triggers for the great powers.

I really, really hope the rightful concerns about the overpassive AI won't be hijacked by blobfags to force the devs to add back mission trees to the game.

ai integration is long overdue for these games. whatever extraordinary amount of cash went to setting up a spanish headquarters and pulling the wool over peoples eyes could have gone to a dedicated AI team. but then making something remarkable was never the point with tinto i would fathom

>>2182586
>Heard it’s shockingly good these days
In Vicky 3 nothing really happens for completely different reasons. You are just looking at the screen trying to pass some shitty reforms that are based on luck for the most part, and a combat system that allows a bigger and more reformed country to easily steamroll anyone. Even if they don't fix EU V before the release, it would still offer a more interesting gameplay than that.

>>2182613
anime sandals already hinted at their re-inclusion down the line in one of their propaganda bits. if i had to guess, the intention all along has been to hook casuals while only creating the illusion of a complete game for the first fifty or a hundred years or so

>>2182613
You simply add an aggression code for countries with stronger armies to wage war on their neighbors based on a certain probability and it sorts itself. They were so worried about blobbing that they killed all the fun.

>>2181688 (OP)
holy kek, i really thought you were exaggerating or straight up lying, but absolutely fucking nothing happens. how did they even pull that off

>>2182603
This. It shouldn't be that difficult to make things happen in the game.

>>2182554
>Theodoro in 1837

Holy fucking shit. The AI is so passive.

>>2182603
or just give permanent claims like EU4 does

Playmaker told the truth that AI never expands and that they are incredibly incompetent at war

The rest lied

>>2182511
Poor Jonathan.

>>2182554
>Naples took Constantinople
Based retards

>>2182829
Ca. 105 years into EU5

>>2181688 (OP)
Hardly over.
It's just the classic Paradox release shitshow.
They'll fix it soon enough.

>>2182547
this would be fine if it was just the first 100 years

>>2182788
Also looks like there's a bit of Byzantium left that everyone is too beta to take

>>2182269
>>2182271
>>2182330
>>2182337
I know guys... It's just that... your fake faggot jobs are never going to exist ever again HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>2183086
Executives being able to replace human work with LM slop doesn't mean that said language models are actual Artificial Intelligence; it just means that consoomers will eat anything, there are a lot of bullshit jobs or that CEOs are retarded (depending on what we are talking about).

>>2182840
Even with shit AI France tries to reach for the big blue blob

>>2182203
True, meta is a disease that kills any game it touches.

>>2182547
They just need to overturn the Ottomans England and Muscovy a bit and it would already be pretty realistic.
France just spending the entire game centralising while Germany and Italy just stay the game is literally what happened historically until the revolution

^delusional

would be cool if austria formed an empire or if the mongols began to recede from europe sometime before the approach of modernity,, then it could perhaps maybe if you squinted be on its way to being 'pretty realistic' compared to <-

Can't you just Creamapi the fucking DLCs?

>>2183243
I don't think the dlcs (this first round anyway) will change much anyway they're just country packs that relate to certain flavour events like the Franco-Scottish alliance or Iberian crusades in North Africa they won't supercharge the AI

>>2182183
>developers target nerfing player strategies over and over until the game is totally broken
what causes this specific brand of autism? I've seen it in Terra Invicta, Songs of Syx and now EU series

>>2183273
Content creators drive sales through their 10 minute long basedfacing youtube videos, thus however THEY want to play the game is however the game must be played.

the day 1 playerbase is going to have to learn to play at a higher skill ceiling than shirtless lambert after 1,000 hrs, even if that means completely neutering the ai. it is what it is

>>2183243
There's not going to be a launcher so who the fuck knows if that's even possible now.

>>2181688 (OP)
Yeah somehow it's even worse than i feared. And the guy said the timelapse was done on the 16th of october patch. This close to release and they still have a do nothing AI that is either completely paralyzed by the systems or is by design somehow made to be vic3 tier lazy. Don't know why i ever thought this was gonna be different than the last few dumpsterfires from paradox.

>>2183291
Apparently it didn't use to be this bad, and might be due to them nerfing certain incomes or something. I dunno, but there's some runs like thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGlObgey0_I where we are starting to see fatter nations in 1590 than the time lapse showed.

>>2183305
Yeah from what we've seen it is perfectly possible that it is the result of a recent change, probably made because of a CC

>>2183305
am i wrong in seeing this as a second attempt in victoria 3?

>>2182385
History has a tendency to repeat itself

>>2183351
yea, this is vic4 with eu elements
they've read karl marx and became hard focused on the economy and pop management

Don't care still buying EU5

>>2182183
>Paradox should not have listened to them!
Stopped reading here

>>2183457
so did i

>>2182183
Truth nuke

Video game devs need to stop listening to min/maxers. By design, Min/maxers strip the fun out of games. Designing your game around their autism literally satisfies no one, not even the min maxers themselves.

AI actually being unpredictable and challenging the player is the literally the last thing a min maxxer wants

I just bought eu5. Gonna play it when it comes out

>>2182840
>100 years to take a small nibble out of aragorn
Wholesome!

>>2183867
Fuck off to /gsg/ hater

>>2181688 (OP)
let me guess, they renamed kiev to "kyiv" in their new game?

>>2181688 (OP)
let me guess, they renamed viipuri to "vyborg" in their new game?

>>2181688 (OP)
Don't be so dramatic. The first versions of EU4 was kino. I had a blast playing it. They ruined it with later DLCs, patches, and unnecessary bloat. Same with Stellaris; the more they make of this game, the more they ruin it.

>>2182586
No war no buy

>>2183893
>renamed viipuri
The original name of Vyborg is Vyborg, because it was founded by Swedes and not Finnoids.

>>2185356
let me guess, they renamed kønugård to "kiev" in their new game?

>>2182183
The fans are retarded. If they knew how to make a game people wanted, they would do it and rake in the money instead of bitching online. Devs should never listen to the fans, they only mislead.

>>2182376
Paradox fanbase is full of RPfaggots who want the AI to be shit so they can be entertained by the epic events and missiin trees. Actual strategy gamers are a small minirity among paratards.

map games have been up against it ever since such people started to formed the bulk of the target audience

everyone calm the fuck down! /our guy/ has spoken

https://youtu.be/KlTPKNkXdvs

>>2185594
not the straight egypt desert wasteland borders

how can a 35 min 'talk' really take away what a 30 second youtube short said so clearly

>>2185641
how come you're still a neet?

pardon?

>>2182183
Always bet against paraslop.

>>2182183
>they took the feedback "wow, I made so much money from this" as "Oh no, this is so bad, this needs to be more challenging".
>Paradox should not have listened to them!
Lmfao

>>2182406
Even if LLMs were actual AI how exactly do you expect the game to run thousands of them simultaneously on consumer hardware?

>>2182186
>>
stopped reading there

>>2185767
These retards think that the only thing stopping good video game AI is that it's too dumb rather than because it has to balance its priorities

>>2182554
>>2182554
I like the instability way more than the ridiculous blobbing of EU4 but it really feels like there should be more consolidation towards the tail end of the game and more instability in the hordes, for example.
The fact that the HRE still looks exactly the same - with 0 consolidation by the princes, 0 centralization and 0 pressure from external powers in france/hungary/poland - is completely fucking ridiculous
The fact that Scottland, wales, and ireland still exist while england is completely unchallenged on the isles is completely ridiculous.
The landlocked north african minors surviving to the end of the game is absolutely fucked.

If you can have fucking railroads in your country but still be bottlenecked on control inside a country the size of france/germany then the balance is completely fucked. If the AI can't manage it then that's fucked

>>2185767
I'm pretty sure he's thinking of the Starcraft 2 AlphaStar deepmind, which isn't an LLM but simply an AI made with machine learning. It's still retarded to expect something like that for EU5 considering it was trained from thousands of existing replays that each only had 2 agentic actors, both human.

>>2182271
I want to fuck Elfuda

https://youtu.be/RO5kQ-MDYsM

He just released a review said it's dogshit, economy is convoluted end up automating everything, black death gets annoying after few play throughs and early years seem pointless, lack of CBS, no mission trees so ai doesn't know where to expand and ends up with massive border gore, ai is trash, johanbros I don't feel so good

>>2186044
>no mission trees so ai doesn't know where to expand and ends up with massive border gore
I hate eu4 players so god damn much you would not believe.
Genuinely I don't think there's a single thing more damaging to paradox games than their influence

>>2186044
>black death gets annoying after few play throughs and early years seem pointless
almost as if the start date should have been 1453

>wahhhh why can't I get a million free perma claims, a +30% bonus to every numeric stat in the game and change my culture 300 times in EU5???
Once again VN fags just want to wank over a history textbook for a game that spans 500 fucking years holy shit. The systems of control, colonialism, culture, religion and trade should already almost completely model the historical factors that led to the expansion and diplomacy of various powers throughout history. If the AI can't appropriately parse the inputs to work out what's in their own interest, then that's a problem that should be solved by fixing the AI rather than piling on history wank buffs so "muh skovy" always forms russia and always goes through exactly the same events at exactly the same points in history. 500 years is just way, way too long for that sort of determanistic railroading to make sense and you end up with compete garbage like a relatively liberal and equal france getting the revolution because of a retarded modifier, it always being the gameplay correct decision to pick the revolution regardless of the circumstances for the 6/6/6 napoleon ruler and unique "literally sucks your dick" free tier 1 government reform and a +3% perma buff to cattle production in marsaille in exchange for reading some nerd's lore dump from a wikipedia page.

There's a reason why CK2 is still by far the best game paradox have ever made, because the systems are actually adapted to the scope. EU4 is a bloated, rotting corpse and high tier gameplay is changing through 80 different formables to click 50 missions you've already completed to stack retarded buffs to stomp the 3 non-player tags which have blobbed to control the rest of the world by 1650. HOI4 is fun for a dating sim because it's actually designed with an extremely narrow scope, except the game doesn't end and so you have 20 million man armies destroying the world with nukes in the 50s whenever you don't play a major on historical or cheese with paratroopers.

>>2186062
Accurate. EU4 players are a special breed of retardation.
Even more so if you consider that EU4 started out without mission trees.

>>2186073
>The systems of control, colonialism, culture, religion and trade should already almost completely model the historical factors that led to the expansion and diplomacy of various powers throughout history.
Should, but don't. Hence rails being needed.
>If the AI can't appropriately parse the inputs to work out what's in their own interest, then that's a problem that should be solved by fixing the AI rather than piling on history wank buffs
By the time we have AI capable of playing as good as a human we'll have general intelligence. These games aren't chess. There are too many moving parts for an AI to utilize them well.

>>2186044
>no mission trees
Opinion discarded.

>>2186044
shouldn't have outsourced development to spics with 4 hour siestas o algo

>>2186086
>By the time we have AI capable of playing as good as a human we'll have general intelligence.
this is not true. paradox games are completely solved closed systems. hell I would seriously doubt tinto has a documented GTO strategy or at least an implicit understanding of one given they... made the game.
the problem is (and actually understand what I am saying, because it is not advocating for a return to mission trees) the context (rails?) in which the AI is making decisions.
Human players have general expectations in a history game of how france is "supposed" to behave. If an AI playing france has the objective of just surviving until 1836 and crunching the numbers for how to achieve that, there is a mismatch.
Players would not be upset with the weird timelapse results if it ended up with a map of Europe in 1836 no?
The AI needs to have incentives above and beyond survival, i.e. to unify a specific culture or region even if it is not necessarily the strategically optimal decision, then how it plays will be comprehensible and less controvesial even though it hasn't magically become "smarter".
Basically nobody except absolute autists are asking for "good" AI, everytime those terms are used translate it in your head as "we want the results of the AIs decisions to result in situations that are historically familiar to us". This is not railroading or mission trees, it's actually the whole point of a fucking historical GSG

>>2186165
>hell I would seriously doubt tinto has a documented GTO strategy
doesn't have *

>>2186044
>taking inspiration Imperator: Rome-series
It is a series?

>>2186165
Paradox is either unwilling or unable to make the AI use the systems in ways that are historically familiar to us.
The two options are
>AI gets claims (railroading) and expands in a historically familiar way
or
>AI does NOT get claims and blobs like a retard (French aragon, Florentine Congo)
If Paradox were able to make an AI that used the systems as if they were a historical entity then obviously that would be preferable to forcing them via missions, claims, cores, etc, but as has been shown by literally every game they've ever made they're not. Thus we must fall back on railroading.
By advocating for something Paradox can't/won't do you are essentially arguing for the AI to blob like a retard. No amount of wishing Paradox could make the AI act like a real historical entity will actually make that come true.

>>2186180
If the definition of railroading is that a specific country gets any sort of unique direction at all in its programming (France is programmed to be more likely to want to consolidate in French culture regions than push into wherever) then yes the problem is impossible to solve without railroading.

I just think there's some bizzare trauma around this idea in the community. it's like people are expecting actual miniature people are living in their computer and are devastated to find out it's all fake or whatever. I do get part of the objections but it's abundantly clear by now pure simulations just will not work period, and ironically probably the most pure simulations would be described as railroaded anyway

>>2186186
I think the problem primarily is sandbox people don't realize what they want.
There is an extremely tiny contingent of people who genuinely do want a sandbox game, the sort of people who migrated over from civ, and/or people who aren't interested in history at all and just want to play a hyper-advanced version of risk. In this contingent is achievement hunters, min-maxers, and content creators.

The vast majority of people want familiar blobs. Ottomans, Poland-Lithuania, France, Spain. Sure, they might not want them to have the exact borders they got at the exact date and they might like some of them to rise/fall at slightly different times but generally they want vaguely historical timelines.

It's a dream that the AI could essentially LARP as a state, solely take aesthetically pleasing borders, and, crucially, maintain a balance of power, as existed in real history, but it is just that, a dream. The AI can't be that good. Railroading is essential to deal with this contradiction.

Of course every country should have "consolidate the home region" as one of its priorities.

One non-railroad way to help with this would be an universal system where:
>Nation of Bogrovia controls most of Uberwald (their home region)
>There's bunch of random OPMs around that Bogrovia has good relations etc. doesn't want to just invade
>the default, AUTOMATIC diplomatic process should be that those OPMs gradually get diplo-vassalized, unless there's some deliberate actions taken to prevent it

Or maybe if someone controls 75% of the French region, a situation pops up about "consolidation of France" and if any country 1) owns land only in French region 2) has less than 20% of the land in French region, they will be made into subject of France or very least the France gains a subjugation CB and opinion malus if the minor nation is given option to decline.

>>2186165
>"we want the results of the AIs decisions to result in situations that are historically familiar to us"
who the fuck wants that?
i want to see botswana capture all of africa and other similarly ridiculous outcomes

Europa Universalis 3 utterly mogs 4 and shows the right way on how to approach railroading.

>>2186044
fuck this retarded nigger, he clearly released the timelapse out of spite because the game does not have mission trees

>>2186179
Kind of because EU: Rome exists

in a decade where the AI hires are surely available,.. where with the exact same set of playing conditions could be used by player and AI personality alike to create compelling narrative & historically plausible outcomes,the discussion on reddit: mission trees or no mission trees

and the swede already has the answer, but it's gonna cost ya

>>2186259
right? but he said Imperator: Rome-series.
At this point it seems like Rome is the series and "Europa Universalis" and "Imperator" are just subtitles.
And 3rd entry would be called something like:
>Invictus: Rome

>>2186191
>It's a dream that the AI could essentially LARP as a state
Because the idea of controlling a country is kinda stupid.
When you read a lot of history, you notice that most national behavior serves not the state but individual rulers and often conflicts with their predecessors.
Like how do you simulate Elizabeth of Russia spending 20 years plotting the destruction of Prussia and being only weeks away from accomplishing it, when she dies and is replaced by Peter III, a Germanboo, who switches sides for no strategic reason.
Or how Matthias Corvinus spent 30 years building the Black Legion, only for his successor to dispand it, because "we can't afford it".

If it doesn't have mission trees, I'll buy it.

Mission trees are the worst invention.

>>2186086
>There are too many moving parts for an AI to utilize them well.
The logic is incredibly simple:
>Will I actually have control when I annex this territory.
>Will this trade good make my market richer
>Am I capable of preserving my own interests
These are calculations the AI already does for territory that it owns, it's incredibly easy to just apply the same logic to territory of interest as a chron job. Even the CK2 AI generally manages that well because the systems are adapted to encourage that. In fact, if you turn the aggressiveness of province revolts up, countries tend to do an extremely good job of expanding within their own religion/culture and have a lot of difficulty with long term stability/expansion outside of that.

>>2186238
>other similarly ridiculous outcomes
is the world of 1836 being the same as 1336 a ridiculous outcome you would like to see?
you intuitively understand of course that it's not, and that there is actually a fine space between what you want and what the majority of players want which is achievable. It is NOT going to be through EU4 missions, which weren't even the reason for the AIs decision making.

Unless of course the way you want Botswana to take over all of Africa is with the arbitrary modifiers that ruined EU4. In which case just boot up god mode, the only difference is god mode is free whereas botswana missions (cheats) will be $20 plus tax plus tarrif plus tip

>>2182457
>They still was
Russian detected, always same pattern

>>2186276
this so fuckin much.

Ludi is such a fucking grifter holy fuck

>>2186331
Only thing worse than the fact he's Romanian is that he's also an actual jew.

>>2186276
They'll add it sooner or later, the goycattle demand it.

I woke up and remembered that mission trees exist
I want to die

>>2186191
>the sort of people who migrated over from civ
Oh, are you the sperg from Paradox Frums that accuses anyone who criticizes mission trees of wanting to play "Civ on a real map"

>>2183121
>human slop being replaced by AI slop is somehow le bad
I really couldn't care less.

Mission trees make games better. It's basically like hoi4 focuses. Why wouldn't you like events and decisions etc related to missions? Just look how good antennae does it.

>>2186521
But hoi4 would be better if it was a nonrailroaded WW2/Cold War sandbox game doe

>>2185882
without AI blobbing how do you have any sort of challenge as a player?

>>2183283
I may be wrong but I don't think the launcher actually matters for creamapi. I never put the cream files in the launcher folder, just in the main game directory. DLCs show as disabled in the launcher but when I open the game they work just fine. If cream doesn't work I just won't buy the game desu.

>>2186535
As you expand, external pressure should gradually be replaced with internal and diplomatic pressure that constrains your actions. If you have a large colonial empire, that should require constant effort on behalf of the player to maintain rather than just being a constant and mindless source of manpower and income for the rest of the game. Even if you are a hegemon, maintaining that hegemony should be a difficult and intricate balance with natural and organic challenges to that hegemony emerging over time

I'd also argue that paradox games are only very rarely challenging, and much more often tedious. There's a critical threshold you can reach in all of them where you can beat an opponent of any size, the only question is the amount of time it takes to do it. In EU4 and HOI4, plenty of countries already start in that position.
There's literally nothing the game can throw at you that will make you move backwards, and the only limitation you have as a player is whether you're on pace to complete a full WC by the end date or not.
Occasionally the game might give you the _option_ of a temporary setback, but it only does so by begging you and throwing permanent positive modifiers at you if you voluntarily agree.

>>2186044
This guy is such a Jew rat. Obviously he knew that he probably wasn't allowed to make a time lapse vid but did so anyway because he "technically" got permission from some random intern on discord. All his previous videos have less than 1k views too. All I hope is Johan holds strong and never implements mission trees like they exist in eu4. It makes pursuing odd goals with historical backwaters basically impossible.
>>2186273
>how do you simulate
Unironically pay a bunch of players minimum wage to play through the game and explain their autistic larp goals. Put all data into chatGPT or some other LLM and have it mimic this type of individual. Implement said LLM into eu5 AI.

>>2186191
>I think the problem primarily is sandbox people don't realize what they want.
This. You can even see it in none historical titles like Warhammer Total War. The ideal strategy game, I long suspected, is closer to a shonen anime. It's a string of bigger and stronger opponents for the player to fight. Perhaps not always the same string of opponents, but certainly once that are stronger than the last.

>>2186345
grok is this real?

>>2181688 (OP)
>Empire that shot the cum into the pussy that gave birth to the modern world can’t even conquer Anatolia.

I knew 1337 was a mistake but Johan wanted that perfect flat 500 years.

>>2186608
>All I hope is Johan holds strong

>>2186547
The problem with AE in EU4 was that it didn't scale.
It doesn't really make sense that the entire HRE, France, and England form a coalition against a HRE free city that conquered 5 provinces.
What AE should care about is the balance between the great powers. Russia, France, and Ottomans got constantly fucked over by the rest of the great powers because they were getting out of hand.
If the top great power is much stronger than the rest, the others should keep attacking it, even if they don't actually expand, simply to keep them in line.
Similarly, when a great power takes land from lower lower-ranking great power, it should be seen as highly aggressive.

>>2186044
>no mission trees so ai doesn't know where to expand
eu4fags are so embarrassing, eu4 had 0 mission trees for years and was fine

>>2186521
Anon, it is in fact possible to overdo it when it comes to pretending to be retarded. You've just proven it.

>>2186714
100%
Although CK2 did somthing similar to that with threat, and the outcome was incredibly dumb where a billion OPMs would fight you every single time you declared war on an OPM of a different religion on the other side of the world even though they had 0 chance of winning and you hadn't engaged in any kind of aggression towards them

>>2186528
HoI4 is fine for what it is because the time period is so constrained. Most countries for most paths have mission trees that create constant, meaningful priority decisions for the 12 years or so that the game lasts.
EU4 mission trees aren't time gated, so instead you just tag switch and then click all of them immediately

>>2186737
>when it comes to pretending to be retarded
>pretending

Anyone else doing a sunset invasion run as their first campaign?

>>2186830
No but I will be BTFOing Indios as the Grand Judikate of Arborea

>>2185882
>The fact that Scottland, wales, and ireland still exist while england is completely unchallenged on the isles is completely ridiculous.
IRL Scotland was never conquered, Britain was unified by PU.

>>2186849
Literally less than a decade before the game start, scottland was fully occupied by england and only made independent by rebellion.
In practice the unification of Britain was peaceful, but if it couldn't have happened peacefully then the overwhelming stabilizing force was towards annexation of scotland by england.

Scotland was a massive pain in the dick for england as long as it remained independent by design. By the mid 1800s it seems extremely unlikely to me that they would continue to exist

>>2186849
>IRL Scotland was never conquered,

>>2186849
Never ask a Scotlish nationalist who was "colonized" by the English empire what his great grandfather was doing.

>>2186915
>Never ask a Scotlish nationalist who was "colonized" by the English empire what his great grandfather was doing.
kek
reminds me of "remove kebab" Serbs whose ancestors were willingly attack dogs of the Ottomans against Christian Europe

>>2186915
I come from a Scottish noble family whose relations owned giant plantations in the Caribbean. It was surprising to learn how many Scots did this. Pretty based ngl. The Scots should embrace this instead of pretending to be gaels kicked out in clearances (which was done by Scots).

>>2186920
Being pro-colonization is a no-no in the 21st century, so rather than admitting they were willing participants it's easier to larp as highland warriors despite never leaving the lowlands for the past millennia.

>>2186919
The Serbs who were the attack dogs for the Ottomans were forcefully conscripted, hardly willing.

>>2186925
>"We would never betray our Christian breth- OH MY SULTAN IS THAT A TAX BREAK AND HARVEST COMPENSATION IF I WILLINGLY SELL OFF MY SON INTO SLAVERY SO HE CAN KILL CHRISTIANS?"

>>2186920
>REEEE I'M A PUREBLOODED HIGHLAND SCOT NO BLOOD ON MY HANDS REEEEEEE

>>2186930
The Serbs left in Serbia are actual Serbians.
Their kids were kidnapped and converted to Islam. That's how today you have a lot of "Turks" who aren't Turkish at all.
https://youtu.be/GrxffHA_Kyg&t=186

>>2186924
>>2186941
The Highland Scots could be based too. Technically the family I’m talking about came from the Highland parts of Argyll. Clans MacKay, Ross, Sutherland, Munro, and Campbell all supported the government in the 45. But everyone wants to pretend that they were all Catholic and Episcopal Gaels fighting for “freedom” (read Stuart rule of the entire Island). Not to mention the many Highlanders who freely joined the British Army or nobles who also went abroad into the empire to their advantage.

>>2186957
Didn't turkey ban dna tests because of this lmao?

EUV multiplayer when?

>>2186966
>Didn't turkey ban dna tests because of this lmao?

>>2186960
>Episcopal Gaels
always confused me that anglos disavowed everyone who was't anglican
the biggest simps for the crown in northern ireland were presbyterians but according to the government they were afforded the same rights as catholics

>>2186970
The satanic djinn who live within the search box will not compromise my faith in allah

>>2186960
Scotland also used to be one of the most sectarian parts of the UK. It's only very recently they've rebranded as atheist pro-lgbt pro-EU fruit-juice drinkers.

>>2186861
>Literally less than a decade before the game start, scottland was fully occupied by england and only made independent by rebellion.
And? Nothing about that means English annexation of Scotland was inevitable, if anything it shows the opposite, Scotland was very much capable of resisting English invasion. Compare Portugal which was temporarily under Spanish control several times but kept maintaining independence. Hindsight is 20/20.
>>2186913
Where's the conquering?

>>2186974
I don't care what they tell you in school, Turks banned dna tests because of one guy finding out he had Greek blood.

>>2186976
Scotland becoming part of England was mostly inevitable one they failed to properly establish themselves as a colonial superpower.

>>2186941
>no blood on my hands
>highland
What were you doing all this time, raping sheeps? You had to cut at least 4 neighbors throats by the age of 16 to be considered a man.

>>2186975
Spain was infamous for its violent inquisition, religious traditionalism, slavery, and colonialism. Today it's among the most socially progressive countries in Europe and especially the most LGBT friendly nation in the world. Nations change.

>>2186978
It was inevitable before that, no? Big centralized state with a high population and infinitely higher quality lands just a little bit below them, Scotland was fucked long before 1492.

>>2186978
Scotland had not failed its colonial ventures in 1337.

>>2186986
grim

>>2186986
It was infamous by tales made up by brits. In reality inquisition killed less than thousand people in all their history, all the indians are in their countries, etc.

>>2186975
I think that’s just par for the course with Europeans today, unfortunately. Some of it might be from the rhetoric of Scottish nationalists as to why they’re more liberal compared to England, but it’s not like England doesn’t have countless liberals.

>>2186987
Countries like Portugal still kept their independence despite border a much more powerful neighbor. The right alliances and victories could have kept them independent. They’d still be highly dependent on England economically, however.

>>2186987
After the independence wars England viewed Scotland as more trouble than it's worth and never really bothered trying to invade again, not to mention Scottish independence was backed by France. It's much easier to say that Britain could only have been unified by politics rather than conquest being an inevitability.

>>2186986
So Spain were among the most zealous followers of the religion then, and are among the most zealous followers of the religion now.

>>2186995
They also had one of the most brutal civil wars in history with a fascist government installed and ruling the country up until the 80s.

>>2187002
This also. There were plenty of English invasions after the independence wars that were successful enough to do things like burn down Edinburgh. It was a case of not being able to hold ground long enough to fully subjugate them though. Just not worth the trouble after a certain point. It turned a corner when the Union of the Crowns happened because now most Scots supported the Stuart monarchs. That got England’s foot in the door long enough, plus there were benefits to union. Like being able to become disgustingly wealthy by running sugar plantations in the west indies.

>>2186986
>>2186996
It's just interesting to see them pointing to their cosmopolitan liberalism as something that defines them apart from the English.
Historically the kirk had a lot of power over Scotland, as an example, while homosexuality was legalized in 1967 in England it wasn't legalized until 1980 in Scotland. They had (and still do, to a lesser extent) frequent orange walks to intimidate catholics, this lasted until this century.
But now if you ask a Scottish nationalist the biggest issue they face it's the UK parliament blocking them from passing trans rights laws. The turnaround has been crazy.

>>2187014
It's because most of England is a backwards shithole nowadays outside of London.

>>2187001
Perhaps the worst example you could have used.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Portuguese_Succession

>>2187004
> and are among the most zealous followers of the religion now.
No. They actually had a religion dictator and everybody fucking hated it. Basically destroyed the influence of the catholic church.

>>2187017
Same with Scotland outside of Edinburgh.

>>2187021
The religion now is niggers and faggots, dummy...

>>2187020
It’s not because Portugal reasserted their independence despite a dynastic union, like the union Scotland found itself in in 1603. It’s actually a really good example to argue why Scottish independence wasn’t a forgone conclusions as late as the 1600s. One can imagine Scotland successfully keeping James II or Charles II as their monarch and divorcing itself from England if they weren’t BTFO by Cromwell.

>>2187014
>But now if you ask a Scottish nationalist the biggest issue they face it's the UK parliament blocking them from passing trans rights laws
Yeah, the UK government invoking their right to overturn Scottish law for the first time since devolution is obviously a pretty big deal to Scottish politics?

>>2187020
Did Spain maintain control of Portugal until the "end date" at 1837? Or did Portugal reassert its independence because "big country conquer smaller neighbour" is not actually historical inevitability?

>>2187030
And do you think the same people would have cared if Westminster had forced them to do something they liked?

>>2187024
>The religion now is rejecting relgion
No, that is simply the natural state known as freedom.

>>2187038
>well you wouldn't have cared about bad thing if it was good thing instead
good point anon

>>2186986
>Spain
Spain largely didn't exist back then.

>>2186976
>, if anything it shows the opposite, Scotland was very much capable of resisting English invasion
lol
lmao, even

>>2187044
You made the claim that it was merely because Scotland's sovereignty was being undermined, we both know that isn't the case.

>>2187062
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Scottish_Wars

>>2187069
>a handful of minor incursions while england was in an ongoing civil war
cool, mate

>>2187065
I mean I think the fact that no one would care about independence if the UK was actually good is self-evident. There's a reason support for independence has only grown as the UK continues its 21st century decline. The fact that the UK goverrnment is now actively undermining Scotland's attempts to unshittify the nation is a pretty strong argument for independence.

>>2187074
Sounds like England was incapable of conquering Scotland then, maybe they should've tried not being chronically unstable.

>>2187089
>Surrey's army manoeuvred around the Scottish army, which launched an attack to open a route north to Scotland. In the resulting disastrous Battle of Flodden, James IV was killed, along with many of his nobles and gentry, the "Flowers of the Forest".[5]
>War broke out in 1541. Once again there were preliminary border skirmishes. A Scottish victory at the battle of Haddon Rig on 24 August 1542 was followed by the Duke of Norfolk's raid into Scotland.[6] When James sent a large army into England, its leadership was weak and divided and it suffered a humbling defeat at the Battle of Solway Moss.[7]
Damn, that's crazy

>>2187092
Cool. So did England conquer Scotland or not?

>>2187096
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_invasion_of_Scotland_(1296)

>>2187106
Occupation isn't conquest.

>>2187124
>At Berwick, Edward I held parliament, where all the bishops, earls, barons, abbots, and priors, undertook homage and swore oaths that they would be loyal to Edward I. Edward I allowed the nobility to remain in possession of their lands, provided they came to the parliament. Edward I appointed the John de Warenne, 6th Earl of Surrey, as guardian of Scotland, with Hugh de Cressingham as treasurer and Walter de Amersham as chancellor. Edward I returned to England on 16 September.

>Edward I had crushed the Scots army, with many of the Scots nobility in captivity, he set about stripping Scotland of its statehood of identity, with the removal of the Stone of Destiny, the Scottish crown, the Black Rood of St Margaret all taken from Scotland and sent to Westminster Abbey, England.[13]

>>2187089
>Sounds like England was incapable of conquering Scotland then
edward? cromwell? does bribing parliament to join the union count?
>>2187124
cope lmao
even wallace's victory at stirling bridge was pyrrhic and just resulted in edward returning a few years later and taking everything again before dying

>>2187039
>after over 10k+ years of oppression by religion, true freedom and salvation was earnt by fervent worship of the idea of no gods existing

>>2186717
I just saw a russian aar that gives them an event in 16th century, claims on entire region of the baltics, how the fuck is this any different to missions? It's the same shit?

>>2187131
>even wallace's victory at stirling bridge was pyrrhic and just resulted in edward returning a few years later and taking everything again before dying
Cool. And what happened after that?

>>2187161
>Cool. And what happened after that?
His incompetent son squandered it a decade after his death.
Do you think that Alexander or Attila didn't conquer anything because their successors failed to keep it together?

>>2187169
>and alexander wept, because achtually he never conquered persia in the first place because it fell apart when he died so it doesn't count

does paradox learn nothing at all after all these games

>>2187169
>>2187176
The Diadochi didn't keep the empire united but they still maintained power in their respective regions for centuries. England occupied Scotland for barely a decade. Also the English had already been kicked out of Scotland for years by the time Edward II died.

>>2187230
Given that people have been enabling Paradox's shitty practices for over 15 years, no, they haven't learned a thing, and they refuse to.

>>2186331
i hate that gyppo faggot like you wouldn't believe

>>2187432
Because he's annoying, because he cheats, because he's a paid shill, or because he got retards into the genre?

>>2187426
blame dad gamers with too much money to spend

>>2187044
>btfoing trannies
>not a good thing
It's current year dude

>>2181697
>same combat system
Did EUV delete flanks just before release, or did CK3 added them in last patch?

>>2187138
>It's fervent worship to not worship
Spain isn't even that atheist.

>>2187438
>dad gamers
With what time in the day is a dad supposed play any of these games? Especially EUV? I’d like to know because as one of these. I feel like I barely have the time to play a couple rounds of a casual shooter, let alone dozens of hours to play a map game.

>>2182265
I played stallaris around release as well, and just recently went back to it after pirating all the dlc. I have many problems with the game now. Why did they force hyperlanes everyone now, when it used to be an option? Why did they make the pop system more bloated, to the point of system crawl by late mid game? Also if the pop system is so bloated then why make the game drag on by buffing the shit out of fallen and awakened empire, 4 million fleet power is fucking gay? Also the ai doesn't even work anymore, the fuck.
I was tempted to see if I could go into the files and change the pop growth to zero, and the building pop usage to zero as well. Since the system make the game near unplayable.

>>2187230
We're at the point where they're safe in the knowledge that stupid goyim will by every fragment of dlc when commanded.

>>2182183
>Let me explain.
No. Stopped reading right there. Fuck you tik tok zoomer
>>2182376
>biggest filter is people that don't want to learn the game in the first place
Well, yeah?

>>2182183
> They had to demolish their POP market system and stimulate it with Shadow Demon Credit like Victoria 3. Now POPs can buy things even if they don't have any money, because it keeps the economy running.
Sorry what, when did they change this? Is this something they've said or have people noticed it from the content creators?

>>2187635
Just trust me, if you haven't kept up-to-date with the youtubers, who have early access, anon. You can do that, right? Trust me?

>>2187638
Well I'm glad I didn't and did some googling, is this about the Nobles buying more than they have the cash for? Definitely an annoying issue, do the other pops do it too? This looks more like a result of the control mechanics meaning that estates don't get gold from low-control territories but their composite pops still demand things. They should probably reduce their demand, representing them buying things off their own steam, if their income can't be figured into things, but I think the control mechanic regarding estates should be tweaked to account for their income

>>2187652
>This looks more like a result of the control mechanics meaning that estates don't get gold from low-control territories
Pretty sure it's the exact opposite, with the nobles getting more from low-control land than from high-control land. I'm pretty sure this is the case for all estates, by the way.

>>2187654
Ah really, I had thought money collected in low control areas went into a rebel bucket that slowly built towards a rebellion. Man, can't wait to play thing game and get to grips with things

>>2187652
>Well I'm glad I didn't and did some googling, is this about the Nobles buying more than they have the cash for? Definitely an annoying issue, do the other pops do it too?
How are you asking me this question, if you supposedly googled this, but still don't trust me. To sum it up very quickly:
>every single POP gets infinite shadow demon credit to buy up the supply of everything he has demand for
>not just nobility
>this primarily affects nobility, because they do have a demand for all of the expensive luxury goods, but barely even a fraction of the money to pay for that
>this basically makes sure the economy doesn't collapse and technically goes completely counter to Paradox's design principle
>this also affects every POP in general in terms of food distribution, because according to the game if millions of Africans are starving in Africa, European food vendors will refuse to sell food to Europeans, because it would be "unfair" to Africans, who are starving and driving the price up (global price means your own POPs would starve and die and you wouldn't make any money, even if you produce plenty of food in your country)

Yes, it's that retarded. And all because trade was nerfed. It didn't work like this in the first builds showcased by these no-life influencer types or it was just not talked about at all, who knows?

>>2187574
>No. Stopped reading right there. Fuck you tik tok zoomer
I wanted to pretend to be a youtuber to give my post more of a gut punch and forget to remove that part of my post, sorry.

>>2187676
Well no offence to you personally but I amnt going to just trust someone on the Internet, I'm interested in the game so I'm going to try and see where this info came from. I was initially coming to a different conclusion based on a wrong understanding of the tax estates get from low control locations. Thanks for the follow up about the other pop types and the food

>>2187676
???
EU5 doesn't have a global market Anon
The game isn't simulating a closed loop economy like Vicky half-assedly attempts, a lot of people seem confused on this. The money you see in game is just some abstraction of the part of the economy that can be mobilized by the central government. At game start, in order to simulate subsistence farmer peasants, a significant part of your population basically doesn't do anything that generates 'money', it's only when you turn them into labourers in RGOs that they become economically active from the player's perspective.
If you really want an answer for it, the 'ghost money' from estates to satisfy demand comes from their invisible subsistence peasantry.

>>2187732
As I understood it, the markets were supposed to represent the surplus value of RGOs above subsistence and the economy was genuinely supposed to be a closed loop of pops owning money and buying goods based on their needs and that money being split between your central government and your estates
That's almost exactly how creators and previous dev diaries have described it, and exactly why there have been problems where the capacity of nobles in particular to create money infinitely caused economic problems

>>2182268
>something as foundational as opponent AI
See, that's where you are wrong. AI is not foundational, it's barely even a tertiary concern.

>>2182183
>in the subsequent patches Youtubers showcased how big of an advantage players had for building standing armies early.
This is a really good feature though.
Nations which built a high-quality standing army during this period had an enormous advantage over their opponents. This is how Prussia was able to be such a major player despite being so small.

This is historical accuracy which should be encouraged, not patched.

>>2187885
The problem is more that AIs are incapable of dealing with the meta rather than that the meta matches reality

>>2187885
AI is incapable of engaging the game systems

can someone who's been watching youtubers the last month point me towards a video talking about playing as american indians or other minor natives?

>>2187924
Can someone post COLONIES?

>>2187948
what fucking year is this piece of shit supposed to be? lmao

>>2187956
1338

>>2187948
>Castile into Spain playthrough with New World Domination in the the early 1700s

If the new world nations lose like 80% of their pops, do they just game over when their provinces get too depopulated to be controlled lmao?

>>2187948
>>2187956
>>2187959
>ugly ass borders with england
>massive inland expansion that didn't make sense for a very long time historically
>no indians, especially in the midwest
>no delegated colonial vassal countries
I'm really hoping Spain took out portugal and is beating England in a war or something and that this screenshot is from at least the late 1700s

>>2187964
probably. losing control will be the least of their problems compared to getting steamrolled by any competent major power thoughever. it should not be easy to win as them

>>2187970
It should be reasonably plausible to survive to the endgame as them I think
Continental domination should be hard-impossible

>>2187968
i would like to know if there are other starting dates than 1300 and if map is more populated then

>>2187970
>steamrolled by any competent major power
have you seen THE timelapse?
this map >>2187948 is by the player playing as spain

>>2187976
>i would like to know if there are other starting dates than 1300
there will not be at launch and probably not for a couple of years if at all. devs do not seem interested in maintaining that at all, there are going to be some mods for it fortunately

>>2187976
me as a massive sociophobe see this and immediately want to play there

even better would have been oceania but i cant see anyone there on the map

>>2187982
as i understand it this will guarantee that the natives will remain a shithole nations no matter what
the map of markets, its barren wasteland compare to europe

>>2188035
>the map of markets, its barren wasteland compare to europe
well it's not like there are many goods to trade, the tribesmen don't produce anything

is genocide an option in this game?
what do you do with all these unorganized tribes

>>2188045
Just like real life, eliminate them to improve performance. The colonies don't need all those billions pops and cultures around.

excuse me what the fuck is that

>>2188060
or this
are they too cucked to say animism or tengrism

>>2188060
>>2188062
Those are religion groups, the actual religions are more detailed.

>>2188062
Not all Animism is the same.

The first mods will group all these savages together to improve performance.

>>2188067
>making natives easier to unite
You sure that's a good idea?

>>2188064
>>2188065
yea how could i forget
Papua New Guinea has 840 languarges, i very much hope they gonna represent them all, otherwise im reporting this game and the company to the european union

>>2188070
Yes, actually make the "formal" states so that whatever European nation that comes first can gobble them up as fast as Spain did in the 16th century.

>>2187976
trying to find modern map because there seems to be some changes since their first one, which was highly offensive apparently

>>2188075
Nah, blobbers can go pound sand.

>>2188079
or is it cultural map? hard to tell

>>2188067
No, if we go by how EU4 mods did it then everything that doesn't have a complex society will be removed like abos.

>>2188035
Markets aren't fixed. As the productivity of the natives improves markets will split dynamically.
If you united cusco that would form its own market that presumably would have enough goods to sustain itself
In general, the new world starts with a huge disadvantage relative to the old world before large scale trans-atlantic trade

>>2188079
>trying to find modern map because there seems to be some changes since their first one
that one isn't the first one, the first one was controversial because of brazilians complaining about the amount of wastelands in their country.

>>2188045
Yes, it is.
Colonialism in particular allows you to expel unwanted pops across the ocean

>>2188086
is this >>2188079 the current starting nations of south america?

>>2188091
looks like it, since it has more than even the fixed post-backlash version
pic is first version with controversy

>>2188035
How does the Andes not have a better market?

>>2188079
>>2188099
huh, just now realized that paradox swapped the wasteland/province colors at some point.

>>2188035
research depends on lithurgical language and ooga booga languages are shit languages

>>2188091
>>2188099
No, those are the South American SOPs. Only places that have real nations at the start is Peru

>>2188080
Blobbers are going to be pounding an endless stream of flat faced Indian puss.

>>2188121
and sops are some interritorial orgs that you cannot play as? what a busywork
still interested to find the current map of playable nations

map of world development
9 months old

>>2188146
compare to eu4

>>2188146
>>2188150
Why do they keep doing the Zimbabwe meme?

>>2188134
SOPs are a step above cavemen tribals, but not yet "states", i.e., having institutions or the concept of taxation and monopoly of violence. Not playable until some DLC down the line.

>>2188146
Honestly, I'm beginning to think province density is overkill.

>>2188167
province density is similar to that of EU4, they made a lot of the provinces line up to EU4 provinces

>>2188171
I'm sorry, "locations"

>>2188167
there are big performance concerns yes

>>2188167
I'm looking forward to colonizing places and giving them decent, pronouncable names.

>>2188159
In EU5 it's literally just because it has enough population concentrated in the provinces to be considered a nation

>>2187976
>i would like to know if there are other starting dates than 1300
No, but the mod devs for the more starting dates mod from EU4 got early access to the game so you'll see the mod popping up pretty soon.

>>2182183
why didnt they have any internal testing or QA why would you just hope for the best with youtubers 3 weeks before launch
this is so retarded i cant even comprehend how retarded the women at pdx are

it seems better to just have a exploity system in place players can abuse but a functional AI than to just nerf everything just because u hate feedbackgaming

>>2188319
>3 weeks before launch
Are you an idiot?
They at least had access to it since May, or to be more accurate that's when they were allowed to release the first videos. They probably had access to it for >1/2 year

>>2182554
Is that Laconia in the Peloponnese?

>>2188196
Clacked

>>2188196
What makes that black coast wasteland?
It's wasteland, sure, btu surely you could build a trading post there.

>>2188550
It's just sand, bro. Nothing is built there to this day.

>>2188550
beaches make for bad ports.

Anyone know how colonizing interior of Africa works? Any debuffs? Or do your colonial pops just die from malaria faster

>>2188550
>What makes that black coast wasteland?

>>2188575
Yeah, thers's a malaria modifier that gimps your pops.
You can brute force it, and the AI doesn't realize why it shouldn't do that, so you end up with them genociding themselves to claim Ubangi-Shari.

>>2188599
Holy fuck there's literally nothing there

>>2188752
Mad Max: Fury Road was filmed there.

>>2188758
In autumn/winter I guess?

>>2188752
The Ger Man stripped it of everything right down to and including the very soil and used the spoils to fund two world wars against Blacks Kings...

>>2188605
>malaria
I'll go bug the devs to introduce African Horse Sickness, too. Means of communication are paramount to armies and states, and before we invented Radio, for most of history, the only way of communicating was "a dude on a horse". (briefly interrupted by a dude on a bike)

>>2188765
>for most of history
Horses weren't even large enough to be ridden for "most of history"

>>2188766
pedant

>>2188766
I'll bring it up to Paradox, if they decide to make a gsg in pre-1500 BC.

>>2188762
rare german W

>>2188765
>African Horse Sickness
stuff like this makes me think we're living in a simulation
that's so obviously a geolock
invisible wall ahh mechanic

Also, Americans hunted theirs to extinction, so that's important, too.

>>2188774
Well horses were native to North America originally. Is it any wonder there might be a regional disease somewhere to fuck them up?

The problem with these games is that they need good AI to be fun but all of them have braindead AI. HoI4 has a very good mod that makes AI competent tho

>>2181820
Might pirate at some point. Not sure.

>>2188146
India and China werent that "developed"

>>2188771
Grug Strategy Game

>>2182567
you know they won't make that change

>>2187885
The reason Prussia was able to punch above it's weight was that it recruited far larger percentage of it's population into military than it's neighbors, who were also fielding standing armies. It was the 1700s, not 1300s.

>>2188872
Yes but the big deal with he Canton system was that the soldiers, which were basically reservists, worked in the economy most off the time. Something we, afaik, can't do in EU5.

>>2188851
india is a superpower in this game
they have research speed bonus, massive population and access to slaves which christians dont

>>2188892
Do they at least get shat on in pop promotion due to caste nonsense?

>>2188897
i dont know
but the initial pop number is extremely important, there is barely any growth past that as i understand

>>2188869
Every single youtuber said that the AI is receiving tweaks almost on a daily basis thoughbeit

>>2181688 (OP)
it WILL be similar to the 867 startdate in CK3. game is going to forever simulate the 1337 date with tiny statelets and bordergore for the rest of the game. no major countries will form with few blobs.
in a recent CK3 performance dev diary 187 the devs refered to 150 years later as 'lategame', it seems like in eu5 they don't really care for long campaigns and wont bother simulate them for the player. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-vQV0xfkK0
afaik paradox has constantly avoided showing off lategame eu5 maps knowing it would look like ass
ex. this screenshot was released ~2 months ago (1770 byz player), and deliberately avoided a political map. just like in CK3 they are not even going to work on lategame

>>2188928
Well that is historically accurate. Pop growth was snail pace until agricultural revolution in the beginning of industrial period.

>>2188952
you can see all the countries by the borders
its very fragmented
i wonder if their political map even shows alliances/subjects

>>2188960
yes but in this game having larger economy equals faster progress because they are modeling the world based on the marxist model, and not a great men model.

>>2188960
also i think playing as american natives is pointless from the very start, since they wont be able to replenish their numbers and are destined to die off.

>>2188969
maybe devs could give them a magic solution boosting their pop growth 1000% after the epidemy, otherwise they are doomed

>>2188969
You have to reform, convert and become a subject to survive. Or perhaps inland injuns will stay safe from AI colonies.

>>2188974
im not talking about the conflict with the europeans, their economy collapses after they loose their pops due to the plague event and they are doomed, thats it, no invasion needed. They will never replenish naturally unless the devs throw them a bone.

>>2188952
>Greek balkans
>Magyarized Carpathian basin
>Mongolized steppes
VGH.. I KNEEL JOHVN

>>2187826
This. Paradox's main audience is people who play campaign or two when a new DLC comes out, not people who play enough to notice that the AI is bad.
They would much rather spend time on all the Spanish tags having 20 flags each for every possible alt history and Persian characters being dressed in fully historically accurate clothing, since that's fun and easy, while programming good AI is a difficult and thankless job that won't even bring in revenue.

>>2187527
>Why did they force hyperlanes
Because they couldn't make multiple FTL types work with new updates
>Why did they make the pop system more bloated, to the point of system crawl by late mid game
Because they tried to 'fix' the pop system but they're bad at programming so now it's shit
>why make the game drag on by buffing the shit out of fallen and awakened empire,
Because they want to trick you into putting in long hours so the stats look better on steam

>Euroach Universalis
>Top 3 powers are Mamluks, Yuan and Delhi
>Most OP nation mechanically will be the Timurids

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>2181688 (OP)
>>2182183
Once, just ONCE can I be excited for something and have it deliver?

>>2187527
>Why did they make the pop system more bloated, to the point of system crawl by late mid game?
I haven't played Stellaris in maybe a year, but PDX staff are genuinely complete retards. Pre-update pops were all simulated because you rarely had more than 20 pops per planet and moving them into jobs was necessary. PDX wanted to have lots of pops on each planet. Conceptually, it's a great idea. However, EACH FUCKING POP IS STILL SIMULATED! You regularly have 50+ pops per planet over hundreds of planets, so the game fucking CRAWLS along.
I should play it again though, have they fixed the economy over-specialization? I remember that if you built too many buildings too fast, all your worker pops would auto-promote and leave you with no minerals, energy, or food production

why are china and japan extremely fragmented in eu4 but completely united in eu5, is that historical?

>>2189280
>china
There's like 10 gorillion tags there, and there'll be even more when their disaster kicks off(like 3 years after game start)
>japan
They are fragmented, clans are building based countries which will slowly eat up the territory of the shogunate and kill it off from the inside.

>>2189286
what tags

>>2189280
>>2189286
Japan also gets a big civil war in the late 1500s

>>2189256
The AI isn't actually broke, when people tag switch into them they have huge cash reserves.

>>2186986
>Today it's among the most socially progressive countries in Europe and especially the most LGBT friendly nation in the world.
sadly

>>2189369
So they have money, they just do nothing with it?

>>2189369
>not broke just broken
bravo johan

>>2189369
>>2189450
They're just simulating 16th/17th era mercantilism, historically accurate.
You need to wait until Adam Smith to invent modern economics for countries to realize they need to invest their cash instead of hoarding it.

>>2189280
Japan is made up of BBCs

>>2186986
Yes today is the most left leaning state of Europe besides Ireland and the only one besides Ireland speaking against Zionism

Poland was the most tolerant multicultural multiethnic state of medieval times with several Jewish and Muslim minorities and today they're the most racist right wing state of the continent

>>2189217
Timmy was one of the most competent rulers of the 14th century so it'd make sense his nation is powerful. Too bad we live in the bad timeline where he didn't successfully depopulate India, Russia, and China.
Yuan collapses like a decade after game start, they can't be that strong.

>>2189493
Imperial Russia cleaned up the tartar sauce and Germany did Poland the favor of delousing their country so they don't have to pretend to like either anymore. And Poland gets their own victim narrative on top of all that, so they can justify their militarism and xenophobia as protecting their Polish identity that their conquerors tried to wipe out. They're a lot like Israel, in that regard.

>>2189450
Well one of the claims by CCs is that the smaller AIs form huge defensive coalitions and no one dares to attack anyone.

>>2189585
that doesn't explain why they don't spend money, though.
they should rationally re-invest that money into their economy unless the AI is actually doing period-accurate mercantilist roleplay like >>2189461 said

>>2189591
The only thing I can think of is that they want cash on hand to merc up for wars but I don't even know if the AI hires mercs.

Speaking of mercs no one talks about them for some reason. I wonder if they just suck or if it is just single player babs not needing to clutch out a hard war because they can just reload a save.

if the ai is busted, and the multiplayer turns out as suggested, there is no game to played on launch
it will be the player alone, in his skinner box, clicking cookies

>>2189684
MPniggers can go fuck themselves.

>>2189684
Like 1% of people even play multiplayer and most of said people are co-opers, balancing the game around PVPers is what ruined EU4

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hqJiGYdOhtI?feature=share
*'you have been swindled' music begins to play*

never understood the appeal of eu4 multiplayer since the campaign is so long, and eu5's is even longer. you'd have a hard time getting people to play past 1600.
hoi/vicky make more sense for multiplayer since they have much shorter campaigns and actually pit people against each other instead of just gobbling a bunch small countries for the first 100 years.

more desperate copes here than in the forums and astroturf sites. enjoy your french-aragon trickle

>>2189712
>'you have been swindled' music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bEZQ00OOxY

>>2189684
>bokoen1
This is easily the Paradox YouTuber I despise the most and I'm glad to hear multiplayer doesn't work for him

>>2189684
>>2189722
based swedes screwing over the d*nish MP gamer

>no one cares about some literally whos
>just like no one cares about your obsession with said literally whos
you guys really have become insufferable

>>2189722
this

>>2189684
i imagine all these slaves are doing it for free too? to "grow their channels" on the most obscure game ever

>>2189684
I hope they never manage to fix it and MP remains unplayable forever. Fuck MP. Paradox pandering to MP, a tiny tiny tiny portion of the player base, ruins every game they make for the vast majority of players who play singleplayer.

>>2189280
How have you never heard of the Yuan dynasty

>>2189280
Eu4 China isn't fragmented at all what are you talking about they had to nerf Ming like 3 times because of how stable they are

>>2189280
>is great yuan historical

>>2189722
the only thing I dislike about him is how he wanks himself off in mp game recaps

>>2189719
why does it sound so jewish?

>>2189807
because it literally is
nintendo named kirby after john kirby who was a jewish lawyer that defended nintendo when universal studios were suing them over donkey's supposed likeness to king kong.
they then made some of kirby's OST be remixes of jewish songs because east asians are just like that.

he's talking about the in-game music, mayaka, but cheers for the history lesson

>>2189766
at the beginning it is

>>2189747
Single player lives and dies by the AI and the AI has never been that good. Playing MP solves this issue. Also nothing beats the rush you get from winning vs an actual human.

>>2189843
>Also nothing beats the rush you get from winning vs an actual human.
The loving embrace of a woman?

>>2189845
Don't lie anon. You play map games.

>>2189849
:(

>>2189843
AI is important, but really secondary to the systems and mechanics that make up the core gameplay. I don't want to fight some ridiculously sweaty tactical god with 3 great power allies every single time I want to annex a tiny nation, and the multiplayer meta in EU4 in particular is completely degenerate and homogenous

Something like victoria 2 or hoi4 works best where it's hard to just blob so the focus is either on economic solitaire or on the fun parts of micro

you could play the best designed most intricate systems gsg ever but if there is no interplay on the map it's completely moot. you're just jumping thru hoops

>>2189858
This isn't /gsg/ you can use the reply function you fucking dork

>>2189858
Most people's enjoyment from gsgs is intrinsic. Why do you think so many americans port medieval game mechanics into the US?
Good mechanics give meaningful extrinsic context to the pursuit of intrinsic goals. That can be interplay with other countries, or it can be managing internal politics. If anything I'd argue that paradox is generally much more successful with the former than the latter, especially compared to their peers.

>>2189280
dumb nigger alert

don't need an infinite chain of hyperlinks to navigate basic conversation but cheers

>>2189853
Why would you believe that EU5 MP would be like EU4 MP.

chatting here has become a lot more like chatting with demons which is not very fun. don't know what that wordy gobbledigook was about but i'll take a bet and summarize it as 'i'm coping because i desperately want to enjoy eu5 even though it looks dead in the water'

EU5 will do fine

>>2189877
I would imagine that it's likely to be closest to vic2. If they fix the annexation cost in the lategame then it could be something totally unique.
But we're talking about how the multiplayer meta ruins the singleplayer game, right? EU4 MP is the perfect example

if you're trying to claim that a dynamic map with competent ai that has its own agendas and so on is not imperative to an enjoyable gsg experience you're lying
why not go back to text-based rpg at that point
i guess you're coming from an angle of 'i enjoy playing anno, so let me wear thos e same blindfolds and pretend this isn't a failed launch'

>>2189888
Trips of truth

>>2189843
If you want to play vs an actual human it's way more fun to do that in a Real-Time Strategy game.

>>2189888
The systems within the game do not have the depth to represent genuine diplomacy. Given those constraints, the AI is absolutely sufficiently good to create an enjoyable experience and improving it is absolutely secondary to ensuring that the core mechanics and systems are fun to engage with.
There isn't an AI in existence that could make singleplayer civ 7 a better game than hoi4

>>2189461
>They're just simulating 16th/17th era mercantilism, historically accurate.
cope of the century.

motey still a better rts than sc2

>>2189905
>hoi4

>>2189905
you are talking in high school essay-speak laid on so thick i can't even tell what it is you're trying to say except 'hold me, i need this'

halo wars is the grtsoat

TRVTHNVKE STREAM EU5 GOING DOWN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UVd-ohM-lg

you think there aren't AIs sophisticated enough to handle a simulated diplomatic environment? there certainly are. that paradox didn't have the sense or the guts to push forward on a new department doesn't mean that it's unfeasible, it means you lack vision

>>2189905
i hope your family is raped in front of you

not going to spend the morning watching family guy boxset guy damage control for wester

>>2189916
>once you understand the game it's easier than EU4

>>2189911
Almost all of the "gameplay" is micro, and human players absolutely crush the AI to dust even against overwhelming advantage
And yet it's still way better than most games because the core mechanical systems are well designed for the intended scope. Way, way better than EU4 at this point in particular.
>>2189912
>you can't get discord mp tier diplomacy with "improve relations+forge alliance"
>so the AI basically just has to be good enough to make the mechanics fun to use
Are americans really this bad at reading?`

>>2189843
Shut the fuck up, retard. Nobody is going to play MP with you.

>>2189684
>for 41 hours and made it to about 1550
before calling it.
We are NEVER playing until the endgame holy shit.
40h for 200 years is insane, even for MP.
What was PDX expecting, you're either never playing past 1500s or speed 5 and see nothing of the game?

>>2189932
>>so the AI basically just has to be good enough to make the mechanics fun to use
being able to steamroll the AI and wc by 1400 does not make the mechanics fun to use

allegedly:
>performance/optimization so bad you need a next gen pc to run at medium graphics
>netcode/boiled in suboptimal processing makes mp stability 'the worst yet for a pdx game'
>'this is an orange' level debilitating videographical evidence of a complete blowout

i hope it doesn't suck too but i will at least come forward and admit it's a totally irrational one
please for your own good let go of the white-knuckle coping, there are surely better things in life

>>2189903
I am an old man and my apm doesn't hold up anymore.

>>2189952
WCs are almost always degenerate anyway, and it seems like the main reason they're even possible is that you can stack anti-rebel modifiers too high

>>2189953
>>performance/optimization so bad you need a next gen pc to run at medium graphics
What the fuck would people know about "optimizations"? Nevermind.

How would one see how many calculations a game is doing?

there is someone on reddit who would love to have these petty kind of arguments with you. they would ever comment chain so you would never have to worry about losing the thread of conversation again

even*

>>2189843
/vst/ will never be able to admit this since the board is full of actual brainlets that would get btfoed vs an actual humans. This is the same reason why they are whining about the state of the AI in Paradox games, but never talk about games with actual good AI.

>>2189990
>games with actual good AI.
Chess, they have had good AI for decades

Social anxiety too strong. No bully.

>>2189990
Don't care. Didn't ask. I am not clicking the Multiplayer button. You insufferable faggots can stay there.

Keep pretending this isn't a direct attack on (you), though, and rationalizing that I'm not engaging in MP for some other reason than you being an unpleasant vomit stain, and me not wanting to interact with you in any way.

>>2189968
disingenuous shill
you can tell if a game is poorly optimized if it runs like shit on a decent hardware. you don't need to figure out the big O notation for every individual function in the game's code to get concrete mathematical proof that the game is poorly optimized.

>>2190018
>decent hardware
Hmm, how "decent" are we talking about here?

>>2187438
dad gamers are playing grogshit
paradox is more of a tech trannies brand

>>2181688 (OP)
>The game is coming out in about 2 weeks. There is no way they can fix this for the release date.
I didn't read the thread yet, but I bet people have already pointed out that Paradox releasing busted unplayable shit is what they're known for. CK2 and EUIV's releases were basically flukes.

If you aren't wearing thigh highs right now lower your tone when you talk to me

The game should be balanced around how I like to play not pathetic anons who just play with themselves.

>>2187426
>>2187438
Down in front, broke-ass dusties.

>>2190024
No the problem is the AI forming huge MP style hug boxes when they get mid sized and none them want to swing into each other. Not that difficult to fix imo.

gsg schizos are not welcome in my thread

Games WILL be balanced around how the majority wants to play, and not to cater to tiny, faggot-filled minority that routinely ruins games.

Should doesn't matter. You aren't me. I will advocate for what I want. You will complain that the game is balanced around MP again.

>open thread
>see paid PR shills calling people "/gsg/ schizos" again
>close thread
see you all next week when they stop paying them

Posting on 4chan /vst/ does literally nothing to sway the developers on what to do.

Idealism doesn't actually work, and "casting spells" does literally nothing.

>>2190025
This is an imageboard, how can you tell the tone of my voice by reading text?

>>2190043
lower

There is an ai_strategies file in the game folder. Just turn up aggression in there and the game will be "fixed"

Posting here entertains me at work.

if you lower your tone of voice you sound more aggressive and confrontational
i think you mean lower your VOLUME

lower your tome
i didn't give any of you fags the right to cast magic spells in this thread.

Imagine working lmao

based
where'd you find that image of me?

>>2190048
nah, I'm going to pitch my voice up so high it'll burst your eardrums.

>>2190022
>grogshit
wtf is grogshit

>>2190002
This actually brings up good point is that what most strategy gamers care about is not the actual strategy, but the setting. The flavor. That's why dogshit like Warhammer is popular, despite being horrible strategy games - people like the setting, the spectacle. With Paradox games you can see how they care about "historical accuracy" of having 20 different french dialects represented on the map. Chess has none of that.

>>2189932
>you can't get discord mp tier diplomacy
Why would I want hot dogshit?

>>2189583
>Germany did Poland the favor of delousing their country
If you mean genociding the germans, then yes.

>>2182183
trvke

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hqJiGYdOhtI
the video that killed eu5

posted it again award

posted it again award

Irrefutable evidence that EU5 will be a massive success. Not an ounce of melanin in sight (except on the brown dog).

>>2190971
When this game flops, will chuds be ready to admit that troondevs SAVED gaming?

>>2186044
You made it sound based and almost convinced me to buy it.

>>2190971
are you retarded? most of them have brown hair and eyes

>>2191004
Let me guess you look "nordic as fuck".

>>2191036
let me guess you failed preschool

>>2190971
each one is ready to call the other racist or any other ist/phobic at any given moment to get ahead
thats how westerner people operate in 2k25

>>2191036
Such a great image

>>2190971
They look incredibly spanish

>>2191291
Wait, Barcelona is in Catalonia. No wonder there's loads of anarchism.

>>2181688 (OP)
>Kyiv
Everyone with half a brain knew this game was dead on arrival.

>>2191985
Keep seething faggot

>>2191988
Looks like somebody's angry that his $100 investment was a waste of money.

>>2191991
>Looks like somebody's angry that his $100 investment was a waste of money.
but enough about your CS2 inventory

>>2192010
Zbros... our response?

>>2192010
Why would I have a CS2 inventory? Every kopeck spent on knives is money that could be paying for my crippling krokodil addiction.

>>2191036
Reminder that this guy actually got married.

>>2190037
People will complain that the game is "balanced around MP" just because they can't instablob against AI. Their complaints have zero relations to reality.

Having seen a bunch of reviews I have to say: I still don't know why this game is 500 years long.

Like, 1337 is a cool start date and all that but it also feels too early. There's a reason why Europe Universalis traditionally starts with the black plague over, the Timurids at the height of their power, the Ottoman already on the rise, and America about to be discovered. I could kind of accept a start date this early if the game ended around 1650, basically make the thirty year war the grand finale of the game, but 1830 and Napoleon? There's honestly enough room there for a entirely new game.

>>2196719
How does it lasting longer matter at all? If you change the "18" in the end date to "20" nothing meaningful changes.

ty]his game looks PERFEC ty]o buy for my rety]arded faggoty] cousin,.. ty]hanks paradox!!!