Thread 2191060

/v3g/ is a thread for the discussion of the game Victoria 3 mainly, however discussion of other Victoria games like 1 and 2 as well as mods or even similar games is allowed.

FAQ

is discussion of other victorias welcome?

Yes!

Can I come here to complain if I never played the game?

No

Are the dlcs worth it?

Some are, some aren't
Like all paradox games it depends on what you want, ask around

What do I do at the start of the game?

Build up a supply of construction goods to reduce construction costs

How do I reduce the price of a good?

Subventions are the easiest way to do it, otherwise you have to produce the good yourself or get a deal with a power that produces said good

Why are my states not buying anything from the market!

States need trade centers to reach the global market, a trade center needs access to a port to function
Meaning if you are landlocked you might have to go to war or sign a treaty

I signed a transit treaty with a country and my trade centers still won't trade?

That is because you need merchant marine to trade, which is produced by ports
If you have no ports of your own you need to "buy" merchant marine by signing a goods transfer treaty with another power

Why is russia being a dick?

Because they can, what are you gonna do about it?

is creamapi for this game safe and functioning?

Yes and yes, provided you get it from cs rin ru

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>>2174975

>>2191060 (OP)
Do you remember the first Vic3 mod?

Racism isn’t funny.

Mods anons suggested previous thread
>kuromiAI
Reweights the AI to build more late game buildings
https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=3227982912

Realism AI historical line More events & decisions - chinese that adds aot of detail, translation machine made and sometime impossible to understand
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2893069455


Less Border Gore makes it so when AI begins colonizing somewhere they claim it, so they will take the entire state instead of bullshit like 4 different countries colonizing a province at once.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3395583198

Colonization Pacing Tweaks heavily nerfs the speed of colonization until 1880, then rapidly speeds it up, this is to simulate the scramble for Africa.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375403256

Decentralized Africa just removes all the meme tags like Sokoto and the Rwandan minors. Not only does it speed the game up, but it also results in prettier borders post scramble and doesn't leave most of Africa controlled by native states by the end of the game.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3271099576

Racism is funny.

>>2191106
Tranny.
>>2191154
Based.

>>2191154
>would you accept this peace which was forced upon Hungary?
UHHHH maybe try winning next time, ya' fuckin' dumb magyar cunts? You ever think of that?

>>2190016
Honestly it’s not that I get conquered or anything but I have trouble staying in the top 10 powers around 1900.

Last time I managed to reconquer the balkans (minus Hungary), conquer or puppet the middle east and north africa (minus Persia), conquer Crimea, Kuban and Kherson for the tatars and free the Kazakh khanate from the Russians.

Things went to shit when the Radical revolt happened in Anatolia and Egypt. A quarter of my 400k army joined it and despite me easily beating them my economic development regressed two decade. I couldn’t enact laws the rebels liked because my dumbass sultan was part of the local governors IG. If that idiot followed in his father and grandfather’s footsteps it could be avoided. Anyway I’ll send screens the next time it happens.

>>2191106
It’s hilarious actually

>>2191224
I believe the author's point of view is that hungary and the rest of the empire was effectively kidnapped by austria and forced into the war.

>>2191416
That makes sense.

Im starting to feel comfortable with what im doing with my economy - but now I have no idea what I should be doing once I expand.
When should / shouldnt you integrate states? If it lets you collect taxes then why wouldn't I want to integrate everything asap?
If I receive an african or SEA subject from a war, what should I do with it? Do I always want to have extraction economies on them?

>>2191416
>>2191437
Like fuck it does. Hungary was the engine of empire, same way Scotland was with Britain.

>>2191446
>When should / shouldnt you integrate states? If it lets you collect taxes then why wouldn't I want to integrate everything asap?
From a roleplay perspective, you shouldn't because they wouldn't be integrated irl.
From a gameplay perspective you have to pay for the bureaucracy of giving them shit. Supplying hundreds of millions of Chinks with healthcare, police, welfare, etc will cost more than all of your Euro states combined.

>>2191416
Maybe hungary and the other "minorities" should have wanted to stay part of the empire instead of tearing it apart?

>>2191446
Tech scales off of literacy. Integrating massive illiterate populations will hurt.

>>2191548
And endow the benefits of all your institution on people who will just end up hating you anyway but now they have healthcare

>>2191446
You want extraction economy on every subject you don't plan on annexing, you want to be the one making all the industrial goods and selling them and buying the cheap agricultural/resource ones in return so your pops get rich and your subjects don't
Secondly, don't integrate any place you don't have industry in. Colonial exploitation and colonial slavery will make the areas you conquer very profitable to your homeland financial and manor houses, let your primary culture benefit from high wages in factory jobs while the others work in the dangerous jobs

>>2191569
Total Separation, multiculturalism + socialist economic policy makes it alright.

Plus, public healthcare gives SoL, so that's loyalism right there.

Huh... was wondering if the 'supernatural' box even did anything.

>release a country in a peace deal
>they have no farms, trade posts or ports
>majority starves to death in a few years
I tries to build farms for them but they produced sugar beats prolonging the famine by a year

>>2191697
>I tries to build farms for them but they produced sugar beats prolonging the famine by a year
hahaha jesus christ this made me laugh irl

>6 months since i last played the game
>Try the game out again
>See they fixed one issue i had and create two more
>Uninstall
>Wait 6 months
>Repeat

Anyone tried the mod that lets you play as a company?

>>2191060 (OP)
Who the fuck is playing this kiked shit? Literally maximise immigration and you win

unlike victoria 2?

I don't think forcing turkey to release cyprys should cost as much as making France release half their country

>>2191847
who the fuck is playing tetris? just stack blocks and you win

>>2191697
kek

>>2191847
Wow I wonder why getting more workers makes your line go up more

The game is balanced around the USA. Everyone else has nonsensical outcomes by the midgame. See: East Asia, where all the arable land is taken up by tobacco plantations leading to millions of unemployed causing constant rebellions.

>>2192413
Real life has shown that people do not magically transform into productive members of society when they immigrate.

>>2192485
tobacco brings in the CASH brother
also, the AI is DOGSHIT at building industrial/military goods

>>2192545
Lies. More people = more power. That's why India is a superpower.

>>2192553
It'd be fine without the ridiculous arable land system that only exists to model the commie interpretation of enclosure in England and nothing else.

>>2192545
Unless you can point to agame which doesn't simplify assimilation I think people will stick to vicky3

>>2192554
more like pooperpower

>have defensive pact with Italy
>have great relationship with Italy
>Italy decides to join russia against me for fucking investment rights in German South Africa
OKAY I GUESS I WONT HAVE ANY ALLIES IN THIS GAME SINCE THE ETERNAL ANGLO SEETHED AND STOPPED BEING FRIENDS WITH ME NOW! DIRTY SHITALIAN FREAKS

>>2192625
This is why you need to always have obligations from your "allies", I had the US attack my defensive partner despite me being allied to them for decades

>>2192794
Not him but what's the best way of acquiring allies?

>>2192810
Obligations*

There are so many problems in this game that would take a less than a few manhours, perhaps just a couple lines of codes, to fix that goes unsolved for several years.
One boolean gate should be enough to make the AI stop trying to do landings against defended targets when its efficiency is too far below 100% but it keeps trying it patch after patch.

>>2192554
Is India stupid why didn't they just build more like China

>>2192865
caste system destroyed india

>>2191106
Racism is one of the very few things that both old men and young men can mutually agree is funny af

>>2186627
>it also indicates a particular historic movement and specific historic events based on that ideology which, during the Meiji Restoration, produced the it also indicates a particular historic movement and specific historic events based on that ideology which, during the Meiji Restoration, produced the destruction of Buddhist temples, images and texts, and the forced return to secular life of Buddhist monks
Do peasants rising up against landlords usually get marked as ideological?
>see also
>Buddhas of Bamyan#Attacks on the Buddha Statues
>Martyrs of Japan
>Persecution of Buddhists
Shiggy Diggy

>>2192865
didn't make their capitalists printing money by instituting laissez faire

>>2191449
No. Hungary was a backwards drag on the empire. The actual engine of economic activity was Bohemia; that's where most of the industrial base was.

>>2192871
caste system is why india isn't literally africa

>>2192810
I offer company monopolies on industries I don't care about if the AI is reluctant to agree, otherwise trade privileges + reciprocal goods transfer is usually enough if you're big enough

>>2191106
Don't you ever stop and wonder how ludicrous it is to accuse percieved racists of racism? If you vere dealing with actual racists then you'd be either stating the obvious or just flat our complimenting them. Imagine someone pointing at muslims and accusing them of being muslim. Do you expect them to convert to atheism and socialism on the spot? So the only logical conclusion is that you are just virtue-signalling and tooting your own horn for goodboy points.

>>2192987
looks good

>>2193058
Ok, Brahmin.

this feels very wrong and yet it works

>>2193183
>already rank 13 in a few years
based GAYreek
>>2193058
>t.Brahmin

Should I give a GP investment rights as Greece?

>>2193307
Obviously, otherwise your pops will never get employed.

>>2193309
How does foreign investment work anyways?
Do the investors get the money and I get the resources?

>>2193313
Investors get the dividends (profit), your pops get the wages and your market gets the resources.
There's basically no downside other than the country getting leverage over you, ut even then being in a power bloc isn't necessarily a bad thing.

>>2193319
Ah, neat.

>>2193322
Yeah. The game is basically unplayable as a minor without either sphere of influence or charters of commerce for this reason, there's no way to build as many buildings as you need without giving a GP investment rights.

>>2193319
And you can just nationalize anything they build. Its usually cheaper than building if yourself

>>2193307
You may also give some German minors investment rights. They have nothing to build so they delve their free 10 construction points into you. And you dont have to worry about hurting their relations with you

>>2193331
that's devious, I like it

>>2193307
>>2193319
want to add that as greece you run out of infrastructure really fast and GB may build railroads years before you research it yourself
though make sure to get Mechanical Tools before you research Atmospheric Engine, as it will trigger the journal event "The Atmospheric Engine Atmospheric Engine" which gives you 4000 points in Railways if Mechanical Tool is researched

>>2193347
will other GP's build you railroads too?
I dont really want to join Britains bloc or Russia's since they can force vassalize you.
I kind of want to wait and see what France's bloc will be and join that...

>>2191106
This. So. Much. This.

>>2193351
every nation who has researched railways, which which is only France, GB, Belgium and a select few others, like Brunswick. The German minors are all one tech away from it though and and have high literacy so a bunch of them will get it soon after the game starts.

>launch play to conquer back some greek states
>have austria and russia helping
>there is no frontline for some reason between me and the ottomans
>decide to do a cheeky naval invasion
>a frontline suddenly opens up
>ottomans send 20 units to it
>my army gets TURK'd
>mfw gonna lose because I couldn't just sit there like a good little GAYreek and let my austrian and russian BVLLS do the work for me

>>2193470
UPDATE
I was wrong, my loss progress stopped at negative 54 because the Russians pushed them out of Greece, and the Austrians buck broke the turks.

>>2193351
Prussia has railays too and unlike UK and France they leads a trade union

>>2193351
They can't vassalize you if you're a major power. I think if you're being optimal you pretty much always want to join the British Empire as a small country, if only for that colonial buff that lowers infamy from unrecognized countries.

>Accidentally catch me mum's fit mate in the shower
>Play with my dick until I CUM all over the carpet
>Now there's a big stain on the carpet and I cannot get it out!
FML!

Any good overhaul/flavor mods worth playing?

As the Ottomans, I should do investment rights to get the Urbanization tanzimat faster right?

>>2193616
Anbennar and Exether are both going to be ambitious.

>b*napartists trigger a civil war
>because they take my Algerian holdings with them, it triggers the Algerian Fiasco

>>2193625
Yeah. throw in some monopoly offers to get obligations too, makes reclaiming egypt easier when GPs physically cannot intervene

>>2193470
just tag switch and capitulate as ottomans if that happens

>>2193470
>>decide to do a cheeky naval invasion
Place them on the odessa frontier next time and put Constantinople as a strategic goal

When you are playing as any nation who wont wage an immediate war place an interest focus in the Caribbean amd conquer haiti for the coffee and dyes

>>2193690
how is Exether compared to Anbennar?

>>2193058
Did you know that Uttar Pradesh has lower GDP per capita than Sudan and that, if it were independent, Bihar would be among the 10 poorest states on Earth?

>>2193851
indians are truly god's favorite jokesters...

>>2193848
Different magic systems, but in both cases it's Base Game+.

>>2193851
Before or after UAE started bankrolling the liveleak brigade?

Any good ways to play Greece that just doesn't end up making me a purple, chuddier, Ottoman empire?

>>2191847
>do patriarchical, racist, Christian state
>suddenly I don't need millions of niggers to compete
Wow that was hard

>>2193927
Don't do Megali into Byzantium

>>2193927
But why wouldn't you want to do that?

Sure, why not. Give russia a few more buildings when they repopulate the land in a few years.

>>2193307
Having played greece a few times with and without giving out investment rights I think you should not. They will spam tobacco plantations and farms, which depletes your infrastructure and your peasants which drives up wages while putting strain on the rest of the economy.
Maybe if you fills the constructionqueue with farms and dont let them finish to force them into constructing more useful things

>>2193990
That is very historical, everyone is gay for Circassians

>>2194521
tried it again after just doing it with foreign investment when I struggled to get past 100 construction at 1860 and now I did so with ease at 1850.

Someone may point out why I am wrong but unless you are china and got limitless peasants you should probably be careful about foreign investment

>>2193927
Forming Byzantium is so tedious too. And everybody fucks it up the first time they do it because nothing says the Ionian Islands are required to do it but if you don't control them you'll never get the event.
Beating the Ottomans isn't even hard, Russia and other GPs will gladly fuck them up for you.

What countries get to change their map colour? That’s literally the only thing I care about achieving

>>2195084
Formables are the simplest, a lot of countries adopt a shade of red when becoming communist, a smaller amount do the same when becoming fascist, sometimes republics becoming monarchies or vice versa will also change color (mexico -> mexican empire becomes a very pleasant shade of dark green)

>>2195094
Thank you!

>>2195061
My last post on this. I gVe out imvestment rights after 1850 and they started building more useful things
I believe they just build the most profitable buildings and your country consist of nothing but poor peasants thats cash crops for richer marksts

Why will nobody ever fucking trade me merchant marine? it always has a -100 modifier

>>2195174
>transit rights "enable landlocked countries to trade with the world market"
>still need merchant marine, which you cant build since you're landlocked
>can't trade for merchant marine from britain or the USA because you need a port for them
>none of the AI youre adjacent to bothers to build them and are at -50 to -100 deficit on them
>somehow cant use the ports THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE TRANSIT RIGHTS TO TRADE THROUGH to recieve the goods in the goods transfer deal

I only have 5 construction sectors, on wood construction. I have no goods shortages in my market, and my government construction is turned off. Why the hell am i spending 10k on constuction goods, and is there any way to recover my economy.

>>2195277
Your private sector is paying for the construction as you can see in the "temporary national revenue" tab, what's killing you is the fucking 18k in interest payments. If you aren't a great power don't go into debt unless you can pay off the debt+interest

>>2195278
I had my most productive buildings set to privatize, hoping that would help me dig myself out of debt, but nobodys fucking buying them, even with 4 million in the pool. What am i meant to do?

>>2195280
You won't be getting out of that hole with taxes or privatizing so I recommend seeing if a GP will pay for your debt, hopefully you've been cozying up to them

>>2195285
Honestly, I think im playing a different game to everyone else. Theres notihng I can do to make anyone like me. I've had improved relations on with both russia and the uk for the last 10 years and neither of them are willing to do anything in treaties with me. I genuinely dont understand how im supposed to do anything diplomatically in this game.

>>2195186
Small indie studio run out of Wiz parents garage please understand

>>2195291
Have things other countries want for a start.

>>2195277
Use your bigass army to attack some sucker and make them gove your their entire income

>>2195291
Tried to offer them
Obligations
Investment rights
Monopolies
No tariffs, subventions or trade with world market
Trade privileges
?

>>2195291
Countries only want to do diplomacy with you if you're already strong. It's a win-more system.

>>2195646
Yes
Yes
Yes
No, because im already in huge debt
Yes
Yes

>>2196214
Who are you playing?

Does giving colonization rights to a company slow down colonial growth?

>>2196701
>With the Company colonization rights.png Colonization Rights charter, a colony gains +20% growth speed, and when it completes, the company takes control of the state and forms a new country owned by the company which is a Chartered Company chartered company subject of the company's owner with the permanent modifier Colonial Administration.

>>2196674
afghanistan

>>2197067
Nobody wants diplomacy with unrecognized countries. They also get assraped by interest, so avoid ever going into debt. Try again.