Thread 2224648

DAY SIX-SEVEEN


https://store.steampowered.com/app/3450310/Europa_Universalis_V/

How do horses cope with war?

Speaking of the rice issue, do pops demand just grain in general and so don't care whether its wheat or rice or do they demand specific goods?

sending all my greenlanders to the americas right now
we taking over

>uhm actually Free Subjects push is bad because of the lev-
A MUSKET IN EVERY HOME

>>2224657
Specific goods. The gane doesn't have alternatives like vic3

>>2224657
I think it's based on market access. If they have access to rice within the market, they'll demand rice as part of their basic needs in addition to maize/wheat/grains

>>2224663
that seems like an easy fix unless its solved by culture

>>2224655
Practice.
And they're basically one time use.
You trick the horse that it's just a game in training and it will think so when it's actually real.
If they survive they also get PTSD and most will refuse to do that shit again.

>>2224659
post pics of your new hyperborea

>>2224648 (OP)
i need advice from japanfags:
what the fuck do you do about all the clans? last time i wiped them all out during the sengoku period but a shitload of their armies were left standing around without a country, cluttering up my map and giving me a fucking seizure because they kept flashing as exiled/non-exiled.

>>2224657
>they demand specific goods
They do, and it's stupid.
>bwaaah I want rice
We're in ICELAND

>>2224669
I couldn't play Japan because all the daimyo armies caused massive performance issues if they were on screen, on the level of EU4 revoked HRE

>>2224674
I would really like the ability to toggle those off. Also the wars are impossible to end unless you just wait for the timer to tick them into a white peace

>>2224674
Try playing in Southwestern China next

I want to like this game but I play fast, so I'm already on my 3rd run (yes i've made it to end game 2 times) and seeing the AI get stuck in the same ruts is pissing me off.

Basically nothing ever happens after, 1400~ or so. The game is really fun but this is a huge downside. Is there a setting or mod that can fix it?

>>2224667
But then if it's a long campaign how do they restock on horses while on the move?

>>2224657
They just want the traditional English dish of Paella

THE BLACK DEATH HALVED MY POPULATION AND -50d MY INCOME

>>2224665
Hence it'll be fixed in an upcoming weekly hotfix patch.

Do you get leather or something from Wild Game RGO, or is just really shitty food production?

>>2224669
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imjin_War
Do what Toyota Honda did IRL.

There fucking BETTER be ae mod out by tomorrow that lets you permanently turn off the notifications at the top and saves the state of your outlier so that I don't have to spend 5 minutes turning off completely worthless pieces of dogshit information every fucking time I load a save

Estates aren't dynamic/interactive enough. The privileges you give to them are way too 'fake' and aren't represented accurately by modifiers. Also where did the mission tree disappear to?

>>2224669
You need to throw them at Korea

>>2224684
I think you need tanneries which are a town building. Input for tanneries does come from wild game though.

>>2224669
I think that was fixed with 1.0.2? Maybe?

>>2224692
>Also where did the mission tree disappear to?

>>2224678
They have like a dozen horses each
THIS is why Knights were so expensive and that entire feudalism thing developed btw.
Some horses are of course just built different and don't care.

Any reason this does not flip over to a core?

>>2224692
>Also where did the mission tree disappear to?
to hell where they belong

>>2224697
>>2224701
Huh
it was there before, in EU5, Ive seen it, but now its gone

>>2224682
You got this big in 10 years?

>>2224701
Sorry for wanting a modacum of historicity in my game instead of random impossible slop every game

>>2224693
How? When i played as the shogunate i could only keep 10 or so as vassals and when i ran as yamato i had to wipe em all, but a bunch of them had leftover armies i couldn't do anything with because their countries no longer exist.

>>2224705
LMAO

>>2224703
You mean the tutorial missions you have to enable in the game rules that disable achievements?

>>2224692
This is something they could improve upon from M&T. I can't remember them all but
>you could call on nobles to increase your legitimacy, refill levees, or get a really good general
>burgers could just flat out give you money and help with development
Also it was amazing because if you had low crown power and got invaded you could call them to help. And the stronger they were the more soldiers they fought with

>>2224705
this was done by weights in the AI behavior, not mission trees

>>2224682
you sure it's not your -34 stability and all your estates hating you?

>>2224712
the nobles and burgers already fulfill these roles in this game, bolstered further by privileges

>>2224705
>a modacum of historicity
*blocks your path*

>>2224698
Damn, the more you know.

>>2224695
no, this was just last night and i'm on .2

>>2224677
people were saying putting the AI on hard/very hard makes it better

>>2224704
60? Hungary and Lithuania fought most of my wars + I RNGd into inheriting the little orthodox state at the bottom. If you ignore Boheima, Polska is easy + Teutonic Order is insanely weak. There's no 'my ally made me fight too many wars' limit in EU5 like in other games
>>2224715
I think so, checked the modifiers and it seems I have too many dead Burgers who only promote at a rate of 60 but I need 10s of thousands of them everywhere

>>2224705
This is what nobody seems to understand. Half of the historical behavior in EU4 is caused by missions giving PU CB's and PermaClaims that nudge the AI in historical or at least plausible paths.

>>2224677
I don't think there's much you can do as of now other than wait for the inevitable updates and AI improvement mods.

>all my locations have over 1000 pops
WHAT THE FUCK

>>2224726
That can be done with events not dumb ass mission trees

im a drunk chud
is this enough economics to survive
i own most of italty btw

>>2224724
Black Death should appear around 1346 or so. Do you mean it fired normally and then you played, or what? Or did it fire after 50 years for some reason?

>>2224726
Completely wrong. Did you never play EU4 before that crap was added?

>>2224733
Theres a setting to randomize the time it appears

>>2224721
>>2224708
to clarify, pic rel is what i mean. i wiped out every single clan, but you can see a bunch of their armies just standing there, and they're all like this, uninteractable. i don't even know where they came from.

>>2224734
>Did you never play EU4 before that crap was added?
I started playing EU4 in 2022 (21? 23?) because that's when it really exploded in popularity with youtubers like redhawk and laith gaining traction.

>>2224699
Are you Portugal?

>>2224737
>I started playing the game because of youtubers
Fucking grim

>>2224682
>that snake to the black sea
Blobtard mind is truly an enigma

>>2224744
Theres no one else to conquer

>>2224744
Isnt that accurate to how EU4 poland usually ends up

>>2224744
to me nothing will beat this masterpiece from the last thread

>>2224737
That's like 5 years after mission trees were added
How can you speak so confidently when you only played the game during its later half of development

>>2224743
I got into paradox games in 2020 with CK3's launch because a few of my friends were hyped about it, so I checked it out. Then while watching CK3 videos I got recommended EU4 videos too and the game instantly looked more fun than CK3. I watched videos for half a year almost daily, it was an obsession. Then I actually got the courage to try the game myself and ended up loving it.

>>2224740
yeah obviously

>>2224749
>dood you have to have played the games for 7000 hours dood you gotta be a nolife like me to understand it

>>2224682
What the fuck are those coastlines you nigger

>>2224729
Did you completely depopulate your peasants?

>>2224729
it seems they aren't your culture or religion

>>2224748
Its really amusing seeing newfriends going into this game with a EU4/CIV games mindset and getting reality checked
>why no tax in my province :(

>>2224752
No idea. Show Culture screen.

>>2224719
Damn the water looks so much better in euiv, and why are eu5 colours so muted

>>2224754
Trying to control trade while minimizing revolts

>>2224748
the -6.75 really makes this image

>>2224753
You're just leaking from your clitty at this point

>>2224753
I never mentioned played hours, retard

>>2224762
its 62% portuguese, it should have flipped a while ago

>>2224730
A mission is just an event you choose when to complete

>win Hussite Wars
>force convert all my vassals to Hussite
>check religious map a year later
>all my vassals converted back to Catholicism
what the fuck was the point in converting them if they were just gonna change back immediately

Remember to invite settlers to your capital only

>>2224753
>Dood I need my mission trees because i'm a dimwit who can't think for himself

Defensive Leagues seem hilariously broken
If you can make one at the start with a nation then you're basically guaranteed to never fight them for the rest of the game, and it seems like the AI will never leave them either

My capitol is full of Jews
How do I fix this

>>2224774
The AI currently has a huge problem where they convert to whatever is the dominant culture and religion in their nation, this is why you see so many people talking about Greek and Orthodox Ottomans among other things like a HRE emperor who enforced his religion in the league war forcing people to convert to his religion, just for them to instantly swap back to whater is the majority in their nation. Or in your case, AI Bohemia converting to Hussite but then instantly swapping back to Catholic because it's the majority religion

I have a massive wheat surplus and these niggas are on their knees begging for rye and sorghum for some reason.

>>2224774
AI VILL convert to the majority of its pops religion, no matter what
>create a vassal as ottomans in anatolia
>give it to my osman cousin
>some years later realise its now called county and not a beylik
>the ruler is now a greek of Palaiologos dynasty
I guess what happened is that some time before, the osman ruler converted to orthodox and died without heir so the Palaiologos dynasty inherited the "county". This game is so wacky in places

>>2224781
Culture convert everyone there to Jewish then release them as a subject so you get your own Israel, duh

Has anyone else played in the Baltic and noticed the gulf of Riga gives winter attrition year round? I'm within naval range and even have a core area with a port connected to it. I'm not sure if it's a bug or some obscure mechanic I'm not seeing.

>>2224774
Force convert is literally useless. Just take chunks and vassalizing them and forcing them into your culture/religion is the path. I have half of Italy as hussite right now from it

>>2224748
>I hate slavs so god damn much christbros you would not believe

>>2224737
holy newfag

>>2224788
T city of London

Anyone noticed that all the jew pops disappear after a century or so? What did Johan mean by this?

has someone figured out how the proximity formula really works?
despite the sum of modifiers being a negative percentage I still get some proximity cost

also, does Golden Horde implode consistently or is it 50:50?

>>2224796
>T

>RGO with a resource I have a shortage off is in a shithole with 2000 pops total.

I blame the black death for this. Even in 1500.

Also any logic behind that "free land" modifier for pop growth, some places it's "abundant" and in others it's not.

>>2224801
You can promote migration to that location

>>2224774
>>2224782
>tfw AI is rational and technocratic instead of Genocidal and pursuing some agenda

>>2224801
encourage migration bwo

>>2224798
Golden horse never implodes because they never lose their doomstack

>playing purple
>thought to take Wallachia and fortify those mountain passes to have an impenetrable northern frontie
>Basileus, you're a genius
>the Hungarian coalition armies just walk down the mountain pass completely ignoring my castles and start sieging the lowlands
How the FUCK did paradox design zones of control this time

>>2224763
to each their own, but to me the average eu4 map ends up looking like moldy oatmeal on my kitchen counter

>>2224671
*Riceland

>>2224798
>does Golden Horde implode consistently or is it 50:50?
They implode maybe in like 1 in 8 games. They get rebels constantly but it doesnt to anything to their integrity. They sometimes implode ONLY if their main army gets wiped because they are an army based country

>>2224677
I'm not even in the 1400s yet

>>2224807
I've seen AI walk through forts more in this game than in EU4, trying to figure it out as well

I'm drunk playing eu5

Max control normal should be 100
It should be decreased by problems like 'no road to capital' and estate ownership
these problems should all be solvable but take a while to do so
Control being 15 max in 1450 makes the game too uninteractive, they should flip the values functionality upside down

How do you open the console?

>>2224802
>>2224805
Can you combine that "expel people" from another peasant filled province for wombo combo loads of pops?

>>2224736
anyone have any idea for this? actually disasterous for my authentic player experience.

>>2224818
You need to add -debug_mode to launch options and press the button beside 1

>>2224818
The pleb way is to add -debug_mode to launch options but you'll have to always have it enabled which is ugly
The patrician way is to add -console to launch the console on another window

is the economically optimal play to build your towns around your capital to maximize control? and use the periphery for resources

>>2224819
I haven't tried it but I imagine that it would work yeah

>>2224824
>pleb
You mean EU5?
>patrician
You mean Imperator

>>2224787
It's the same with culture where vassals will just accept their majority pops rather than converting when you force culture on them
It's fucking stupid

>>2224795
Its obviously bait

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I'm just using culture convert because it's broken
Am I wrong

>>2224831
you're right, I fell for it
my bad

>>2224834
broken how?

>>2224786
some pops like eating different things. its retarded

bruh this unlawful land revoke bullshit they broke in the last patch ruins all the fun of playing small and tall in italy, 40 years in and bohemia borders me on 3 sides. I'm done playing in HRE until they fix this.

>>2224818
Alt-F4

>>2224837
.7% a month culture conversion

>>2224829
>It's fucking stupid
You mean realistic?
To the AI, as long as they have open culture slots, it's just getting to the same result with less resources, since accepting is easier than converting. The fact that you want epic genocide does not apply to the AI, they're just pragmatic and don't know your agenda.
>>2224786
Beer

>>2224823
>>2224824
How do you set launch options for pirated games, is there an .ini file to edit?

>>2224837
Broken as in I amuse you? Broken as in a clown?

>>2224834
Set one of your dudes to increase control and the other to assimilate culture on the same province for maximal effect

>>2224834
you are correct
>>2224837
having your primary culture be the majority in a location cores it and gives you bonus control

>>2224842
wait, really? thought it was super slow, like religious conversion.

>rebellion in tangier
oh okay I'll just raise my levies and crush it when it spawns, it's only 1 location
>raise levies
>try to invade
>morocco just owns the location all of the sudden
WHAT THE FUCK JOHAN

>>2224844
Add it to the end of the exe

>we introduced societal values that are a very deep mechanic that would significantly influence your playstyle!
>there's a single set of values that is vastly superior to any other so you would always pass the very same laws and take the very same reforms, it doesn't matter who you play as and where
What was the fucking point even? Even the most undercooked EU4 mechanics work better than this mess.

>>2224852
>>2224851
>>2224850
Literally set a single minister to convert culture and tell me I'm wrong

>>2224844
>How do you set launch options for pirated games
Make a shortcut for the game somewhere, like the desktop.
Right click, properties, then you'll see the shortcut path as "whatever/Desktop/EU5"
Just add -something on that path, after the quotation mark, with a space.

>>2224843
>they're just pragmatic and don't know your agenda
Which is a terrible AI design. They should at least pretend to act like real people with agendas and values, not purely pragmatic chess engine or something

Is it possible to invite an ally to help in a civil war?
I'm playing with my bf and he is about to have a massive uprising that I don't think he'll be able to stomp out

Whats the building to increase Pop conversion?

The fact that cultural conversion is so much faster than religious conversion AND gives you cores which make both of them faster AND benefits from being majority while religion doesn't is peak retarded

>>2224861
if you have favors you can call anyone into any war i'm pretty sure. it's in the influence diplo options at the very bottom

>>2224844
create a shortcut for the exe and add the argument to the directory "C:/blahblahblah" -debug (or whatever the flag is)

>>2224862
Clergy buildings

>>2224856
I'm trans btw

So many complaints and bugs surfacing in these thread. Think I'll play in 2-3 months, thanks for QA testing for me bros

>>2224851
what do you mean 'cores it'? you can culture convert instead of integrating?

>>2224861
>Is it possible to invite an ally to help in a civil war?
yeah

>>2224857
Assimilation is faster the more control you have, so setting a second minister to increase control makes it way faster.

>>2224851
oooh, instead of coring. makes sense.
>>2224857
haven't needed to yet, but i'll check it out.

>>2224843
>You mean realistic?
The button is literally "enforce culture". I am forcibly replacing their administration with a government that submits to my cultural hegemony

If you want to give them even more liberty desire, increase cultural antagonism or massively increase the rebel threshold because of that then that's absolutely fine. Pretending that them only changing the culture of the nobility and completely accepting their old primary culture is the intended outcome of the mechanics is fucking retarded

>>2224864
France never helps out but can always call me in, what gives?

>>2224856
It makes sliders and piechart autists happy

ai sucks hard dicks in this game

>>2224864
>>2224871
I see, thank you

how do I go about building a professional army? the initial unit sizes seem too small to be worth it, should I just focus on logistic units at the start?

>>2224856
It makes for varied starts
Also more interesting to influence a value over time than just picking an idea and spending imaginary points into it

Did an update just drop?

>>2224877
those dicks? all mine

>>2224748
Holding this much territory without control should in turn come with the rise in power of estates in those lands at the expense of the state/player

>>2224879
Have more pops

>>2224825
basically yeah, control and crown power are the two things you need as high as possible to extract the most out of any location's tax base
if you've got a town way fuck over with 10 control, you're not going to get much, even if it's a ducat printer on paper
with resources it's less important since it'll all get traded to where it needs to be via your market

Which tags would be best for learning military? I've learned a lot else, but still don't know military that well.

>>2224870
Two related mechanics.
An unintegrated province has a low control cap, regardless of other factors.
After you've integrated a province (either by the cabinet action or by annexing a subject) it will automatically become a core if >50% of the pops are in your accepted cultures regardless of other factors like time of ownership or religion. Your primary culture is always accepted, and all others use cultural capacity.

At the moment though, culture conversion is so fast that it's almost always just worth being genocidal. When you get cultural hegemon, it becomes even more OP

>>2224870
this province has a bailiff giving the proximity (you can see the road connection doesn't propagate down there) but because it's cored it has +20% control

>>2224860
>They should at least pretend to act like real people with agendas and values
Pretty much every single time in history where a military elite conquered another society they adapted to it, not the reverse, unless it involved mass migration of the conquerors into a depopulated land.
I would like a more straightforward mechanic for sending colonists to flip the culture of a region, the Germans did not send professors to Germanicize the Poles, it happened as migration and colonization over centuries.

>>2224884
looks like it, but no patch notes yet.

>>2224889
Bohemia
You get a bit of time to prepare and then you have a showdown against the Pope
Or you can go full big blue blob

Assimilation as a cabinet action should not exist, even if it wasn't op as hell.

They need to reduce the speed that cores disappear, and prevent the Emperor from bordergoring so hard with unlawful territory.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/1-0-3-patch-notes.1870931/
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/1-0-3-patch-notes.1870931/
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/1-0-3-patch-notes.1870931/

r8 my bvllheemia

>>2224904
Nothingburger once again
Chudcels are FEASTING

>>2224904
> Later this week we'll release another small patch, and next week we'll see a bigger patch addressing over a hundred bugs.
Fuck I got excited for nothing, all this does is add the render frame option

>>2224860
it's extremely common for conquerers to get assimilated into the conquered when the conquerers are much fewer than the conquered

>>2224905
>only 14th gp
genuinely how?

if i play in the Philippines can i feed my people pagpag?

>>2224904
>no kyiv fixes
based??

>>2224889
Ottomans (or a different beylik).
The starting Rise of the Turks situation lets you fight lots of early wars without waiting for CBs from your parliament

>>2224881
It just adds even more time waiting for something to happen in a game already completely devoid of content.

>>2224909
Over centuries, not when the pie chart flips to 51% conquered culture.

>>2224875
it doesn't show a popup i don't think, you have to manually go and call them in

>>2224912
idk how its calculated. i was 1 wheen emperor of hre. i am being suppressed! also i can fight france+ hre single handedly

>>2224910
low pop

>>2224915
So if they made a button that instantly sets centralization to 100, that would be content for you? Or what

>build the Kremlin
>all it does is waste 5k peasants for defensive bonuses I'll never use
It's like I'm really Russian!

>>2224905
>only 60 ducats from Prague
what the fuck are you doing

>>2224892
>either by the cabinet action or by annexing a subject

I'm pretty sure they integrate eventually without doing anything, 100+ years for wrong culture, and a lot faster for accepted. Obviously the best use of your cabinet is integration but with the ottomans you get event trigger based on number of directly owned locations so its better to just hoard instead of making vassals.

>>2224909
True. As we all know the Frankish, Ostrogothic and Visigothic Empires were all Roman Empire and South Slavs are the heirs of the Eastern Roman Empire.

>>2224926
ive built literally everything though

>>2224905
>own rome
kino

>>2224879
the initial units are still very strong despite being small, very much worth it
you can't build too many before you get armories because you wont have the manpower generation to refill your units

can someone explain what is going on in /gsg/, why are they so mentally ill
also why did they even move here from /vg/

>>2224933
Because they were so bad the jannies banned them.

>>2224879
build them anyway, because levys cannot garrison captured forts, even if you only have like 400 you can at least garrison two captured forts so they won't get instantly taken back

>>2224933
Go back to your shithole of a site newfag.

>>2224933
The jannies banned strategy generals from /vg/ to justify the existence of /vst/

I knew there'd be youtuber metaslaves whining as soon as they introduced values
>durr ideas in EU4 don't matter you just pick the same ones every time
You're just bad at the game.
Not to mention this is literally the first version of the game released, these values are going to be rebalanced constantly.

>>2224933
everyone in /vg/ is mentally ill.

Is promotion static? Is the only way to increase promotion just add more buildings of the type you want promoted to?

>>2224933
long story
t alberto barbosa

>>2224937
That actually explains why a lot of little quirks appear on this site. Such a broad genre to ban.

IS THIS WORTH IT?

>>2224944
Yes if you have a supercomputer, basically makes you snap from century to century

>>2224936
>newfag
this board was the best the first few weeks when it was small
just because I don't like /vg/ doesn't mean I come from your home site

>>2224757
The location with the lowest amount of pops had about 1100, the others in that province had 2.2-3.5k. I came up with the solution to expel pops from my other province to the location with 1100 pops in the province i emigrate from and then when it reaches about 1180 it will send 150 or so pops to my colony. However, for some reason, only the province with the least amount of pops is the one that sends all of its pops to my colony. So I have to wait for it to refill with 150 pops before more pops can be sent. It would make more sense to send from the location with the most pops in my opinion.

>>2224758
They are both.

>>2224944
>When activated will also make speed 4 act as speed 5 when deactivated.
what?

>>2224938
Is there any reason not to go with centralization and innovation though?

>>2224938
oh my science i am now convinced that people are being le silly and will no longer hold the opinions that you do not like

>>2224937
But /4xg/ keeps trucking?

>>2224940
it says right there what affects promotion,
it's mainly stability and societal values

>>2224939
then they should've stayed there

>>2224949
Speed 1 - 1
Speed 2 - 2
Speed 3 - 3
Speed 4 - 5
Speed 5 - UNLIMITED SPEED

>>2224944
that sounds like the render option people have been turning off in the tweak menu. it makes the game like 2x faster but the ui is laggy so you have to pause for everything

>>2224886
It does.
Crown power is the sum of the pop power in all provinces scaled with control. So no control in most of your country means low crown power which by extension leads to more powerful estates.

>>2224930
I dunno what to tell you, anon.
I loaded up my Bohemia game in 1480 and I have 251

>>2224940
I know monasteries increase promotion. Market villages also allow for more laborers and soldiers. Advancements help. Overall literacy is a good thing, so building scriptoriums.

>>2224955
But that's still static - are there no direct ways to promote it (buildings, goods)?

1444.
Only things that seems to be significantly different from other people's games are Grossgeorgiums and the French treaty ports(?) in England. Oh and the Ottomans remaining Turkish and Sunni(lol) as well as the Knights of Malta spawning, I had given Malta to a fiefdom of mine and it seems they got some event to hand it over to them.

>>2224953
It's not about strategy it's about a mentally ill samefag posting his disgusting nudes so it's allowed on the gacha board.

welp, game was kinda fun ish while figuring stuff out
dont think I'll be bothering with dlc unless they add a later start date to get right into colonialism though

>>2224959
That’s how I play anyway.

>>2224905
Are you automating economy? I can't share mine because I'm at work but my fully auto'd trade/building/rgo bvllhemia in 1470s had over 600 raw income before spending.

>>2224964
Forgot my fucking image.

>>2224959
If you're computer isn't the best, the ui can already be laggy.

Which resources are the best to focus on early? Im still learning all the mechanics and stuff but the thing my brain is really stumbling on is which resources are actually worth investing into early game. If it changes anything im playing Milan.

>>2224930
Have you been expanding RGOs?

>>2224970
>Spain formed
Uh nothing happensbros??????

>>2224978
the map is completely static and nothing ever happens other than spain forming.

>>2224976
It depends on where in the world you're playing.
Gold/silver are always high ROI if you just care about cash, and iron tends to be an early bottleneck for tools/weapons in remote places.

For italy I'd say you want to invest into food RGOs as much as possible. The area is so urbanized that there's a massive risk a food demand spike fucking your economy over

>>2224978
>spain formed
>Aragon Aragone
>Byzantium getting thicc
literally nothing

>>2224976
Depends on what country you’re playing and what resources are available. You want to increase the RGOs of your key resources and make buildings in your capital that take advantage of them. You can’t go wrong with always building paper guilds and scriptoriums though because that helps with literacy.

Can someone explain exactly what "+100 Possible burghers/nobles in towns and cities" means, the tool tip makes it sounds like it just increases your pop limit by 100. But I've heard youtubers talk about it related to pop promotion. I spent some time digging through pop tooltips but I can't find it reflected in a modifier anywhere.

>>2224978
>castille, a great power, takes a small nibble out of aragon and navarra over a period of a hundred years
>this is enough to form spain, ruler over hispania
>this is enough to be considered a happening

>>2224986
>>2224983
Ok that helps, thanks anons. For northern Italy is it best to not really make many towns and such since there's already so many there?

Anyone playing on hard difficulty? Is it a complete meme or is the game actualy harder and the ai more aggresive?

>>2224992
game's already a slog when you have to siege down forts for minimal war score while your incompetent vassals suicide themselves into Polish troops for free war score
not saying it's hard, but I wouldn't want to make it any more annoying by going above normal

>>2224977
Yeah maxed lumber and farming and non gold/, silver rgos

>>2224904
What a load of niggershit

>>2224990
It’s more advanced than Spain was irl at the same time.

>>2224991
You still want your core economic heartland in the immediate vicinity of your capital to be urbanized, but that only really becomes a problem when you start running out of building slots/pops in your capital or if you're getting pinched on resources where you can get a throughput buff from local rgos.
That only starts to be a consideration like 100 years into the game though. Until then you can basically just spam RGOs

>>2224992
I'm pretty sure AI would only be more aggressive and ambitious because it has more resources. I'd rather the AI get tweaked to not waste a shitload of resources on dumb stuff like attempting to colonize worthless land instead.

So do you lose the Catholic advances if you flip to protestant?

>>2224603
diplomatic hegemon power
frogs had me embargo england after i built trade posts to cap there

>>2224976
anything overvalued in your market for quick early cash > lumber, stone, tools, sand > luxury goods for estates > tech (literacy/paper/books). Roughly that order but it depends what resources you have easily available. Creating your own market is usually strong too, but make sure you have the basics around you or you will get fucked by no food/lumber in your market if it's too small because you are squished between others. Going TOO hard on RGO will get you kneecapped by the plague so if you're rolling in it early on pivot to roads. The farming villages are good on food tiles + river (with irrigation). Market Village feels like a trap, you can just spam markets in low control towns because the capacity doesn't care about control.

>>2224748
hi that's me i'm glad you found it amusing... i decided to quit that game. i'm gonna play teutonic order again but this time i'm gonna actually builds roads as i conquer.

>>2224995
>Sieging
Just build more howitzers

>>2224970
>GOLDEN HORDE
every time

>>2224970
meanwhile irl

I've not fought my civil war once, only my allies have.

>>2224970
>Kyiv

>>2224970
I actually dont mind the dead AI early in the game's life cause of all the new mechanics taking time to get used to.

>>2225005
The ones that are catholic exclusive rather than christian culture group yes

>>2225015
Disable ticks

>>2224905
AI Bohemia is stronger in my game.

>>2224970
The world looking like this in 1444 isnt the problem. This isn’t too far off from what the world actually looked like. The problem is that it looks like this 200 years after 1444. The AI needs to get bumps to its aggression in each age so they try blobbing more.

As holland, what should I be focusing on in the early game? I feel like I can't really push values in the direction they went historically plutocratic, naval, etc). Is it just a matter of taking a couple nearby provinces, ecoing up, and scaling until certain advances unlock and I can start disempowering nobles? (Stab cost on removing their privileges is insane). What are the main unlocks I'm looking for to move in the capitalist/Republic direction?

>>2225020
Bullshit
I would heem your dogshit bohemia in any realm

Is the Italian Wars situation just a fucking hell where all the Italian cunts pingpong off of every single league nonstop? What a damn nightmare. They just leave leagues they are completely content with for no reason, just a bit ago I had 120 locations in my league out of the 200 needed and I could have finished the situation by now by just campaigning in Naples.

What happens if I keep levies raised during peacetime?

>>2225029
you suffer big debuffs since those are actual pops you need to work

war is no longer profitable like in eu4

>>2225029
Less pops are working your economy. And you have to pay for them.

How do people usually set up their in game messages? I feel like I cant play on speed 5 because I'm getting a million popups every couple seconds. No idea how people play into the late game without spending 40 hours on a campaign at a lower speed.

How do I fucking play portugal? I tried castille once and built a super economy and when I play portugal my balance is like 0.90

>>2225030
>>2225031
So no actual dissent and shit? I can try to use them to pacify newly annexed locations then.

I think the game is superior to EUIV with all dlcs and even anbennar, which is impressive for patch 1.0
Yet the paradox forums is full of people whining, what's the issue ? States are annoying and there should be more options for trade automation so you can set it to buy food to keep prices down even if your market has a surplus etc

>>2224905
>those enclaves
0/10, come back later

>>2225029
Speaking of levies. A friend told me that pre age of reformation levies are always better then professional troops cause of the numbers. This true?

>>2225035
Most gsg players aren't as retarded as you and can't delude themselves.

>>2224879
Until you get the manpower buildings you can't do much. For sailors I made a bunch of fishing villages then subsidized them because they weren't profitable. Obviously costs money but it was .01 per village. those give you one sailor each.

Hegemonies should be regional or based off the known world for you. Imagine how monumental it would feel if you finally discovered China and then lost two of your hegemonies to them. Slowly overtime building up power until you once again overtake them.

>>2225034
Didn’t matter if there was. C*mmoners don’t matter.

>>2225035
because the AI is total dogshit

>>2225035
look at teh blob retards who have fundamentally failed to understand the game systems in this thread and you have your answer

Remember to support your local Paradox dev.

>>2225036
Not exclaves to me since they have 35%+ control and my religion

>>2225035
They'll always find reasons to complain. In this case, a lot of them are faggots that are upset that the game is complex.

>>2225032
i just wish the game wouldn't auto unpause after an event

>>2225009
I already got +4 vs forts according to the interface. It only got better once I had enough Levies to just assault everything without care.

>>2224729
Had this same issue, I think it's bugged. I even destroyed buildings to make them unemployed

>>2225035
Issue with trade automation is it takes a bunch of shitty useless trades for .10 gold from 8 gorillion miles away because it technically has a profitability of 2 per unit. I just turned it off. I don't know why these fags want to automate the entire game away. Just keep playing EU IV. Do they want another EU IV? What's the point?

>>2225046
Scamper back to /vrpg/ you autistic mouthbreather.

The game should force more shitty privileges on you throughout the campaign, I feel like once you've cleaned up the garbage they give you at the start it's smooth sailing. Meanwhile in reality some weak king comes along and gives up privileges left and right leaving a mess for his successors to clean up. Leave the min-maxing to content creators and multiplayer dweebs I'm just trying to have fun, I want to navigate more disasters.

>>2225048
I have 30 howitzer armies getting only +5 on normal 2 level forts

>NoThInG eVeR hApPeNs
EU4 blobniggers are a cancer

>>2225057
im not a fucking blobnigger, but you cant justify that NOTHING EVER FUCKING HAPPENS AFTER 1400

NO SPAIN
NO RUSSIA
NO BRITISH
NO AUSTRIA HUNGARY
NO OTTOMANS

YOU STUPID CUNT

>>2225057
The map is completely static and nothing ever happens bro. it really doesn't matter what happens in your game because nothing happens.

>>2225055
Have you considered playing more roguelikes? They have many knowledge checks that you might enjoy more than strategy.

First time playing europa universalis, just starting discovery age and I feel still very poor compared to the screenshots I'm seeing around.
Control seems piss low even though I've ruined myself with roads and baillifs, I'm juggling with a lot of expensives to keep up with my army, navy, etc but it never seems enough

>>2225056
I got like 16 regiments or something. Maybe 20? houfnice

>>2225055
Seconding this. It doesn’t feel like the king matters that much.

>>2224807
The new system is more realistic, if castles prevented armies from moving then the Mongols wouldn't have sacked Hungary and if castles didn't retake territory if left unsieged then Hungary wouldn't have taken back the country

>>2225060
>>2225059
Meanwhile in my gave moscow is steadily dismantling the GH
Cope smeethe

>>2225059
DLC will magically fix all of these, pay up goy.

>>2225047
You can configure that in the settings

>>2225066
>i went into debug mode to change the game and something finally happened, take that, chud!

Ehh why is it showing as 1.0.3

Why can't you entitled freaks just learn to enjoy eating shit like me?

>>2225067
It’s good that paradox usually releases free features and patches with their dlcs.

So which place are you raiding from?

>>2225069
bvllheemia here
keep the copesneethe coming

paradox: * takes a shit on a plate *
eu5 goyim: ITS PERFECTLY FINE, CHUDCEL, IN FACT, IM GOING TO PAY 49.99$ FOR THE PISS DLC TO WASH IT DOWN! YOU JUST DONT GET IT!

List the problems that (You) find most irritating!
I will start
>no menu to see which buildings are making a profit or not
>no notifications for if a trade is unprofitable
>AI is brain dead at times
>STACKWIPING

>>2225079
>Nothing ever happens simulator

>>2225078
uh oh melty

>>2225059
All of those are good things tho
France is next on the chopping list

>>2225081
why do you like consuming shit?

>>2225078
>>2225072
>>2225069
why the tranny do this

>>2225076
Reddit or Paradoxplaza.

>>2225070
>I have to redownload the whole 9GB zip file again
fvck my stupid pirate chvd life

paradox players used to love "watching colors change on a map"

now the colors dont change so they just watch a unmoving map for 40 hours

>>2225070
Just a little tease to leave us blueballed while we wait for the real patch >>2224904

>>2225038
Yeah I'm sure more than 10% of the player base even noticed there is food price and why it's important two days after release
I'm not the best player but most players think playing an OPM in HRE to be "hard"

>>2225090
based trannybro. you tell them!

>>2225090
It's better this way. I like watching more than doing.

@2225097
really putting the cuck in paracuck

>>2225079
I wish the AI would just weigh its resources better. This would fix most of the problems, especially if they make the AI not colonize areas that have no value and they barely know anything about. This is all completely possible as they did it in one of the later EU4 updates (when they made AI build more forts and in smarter ways).

It's incredible how easy is to spot the raiding gsgtroon

>>2225095
Why would they need to when they can just do what you did and automate the trade

Wtf, my personal union with moortugal broke immediately and I lost my ruler who joined his wife in bitchugal after I joined a war where the Jõao’s were on the opposing side. Is this shit supposed to happen??? Now I just have some random noblewoman as a regent but no monarch…

>>2225098
gsgtroons lost

>>2225079
>first century is a boring slog
>institution spread means a third of the age is usually gone before you get them unless you are the origin
>ui is a pile of mostly irrelevant shit
>black death is just haha lose half your pops and income for a year or two
>industry is numbers autism that belongs in victoria not eu

Theres no way people ITT are trying to justify the state of the AI in the game, and golden horde existing in 1836. I like the game, its fun, but the AI is a problem

>>2225077
Lithuania should be a massive blob in 1474.

>>2224904
>its fucking nothing

ragebaiting on a monday morning...?

>>2225050
Because pop needs are dynamic so having an automation is good but the problem is that trade automation does not know what your priorities are, in my Iceland run I didn't care about profit as much as I cared for food price and pop demand since they are so very important when you are trying to increase your pop growth, other countries have different needs, sometimes all you care about is profit because you have a massive standing army or you care about a specific good for a specific building

>>2225107
I never played launch eu4 so i dont know if this is true, but the most reasonable cope i hear is its left detuned on purpose cause its easier for paradox to ramp it up and make it work easier then turning it down. And thats what they did at eu4 launch.

>>2225107
>Theres no way people ITT are trying to justify the state of the AI in the game, and golden horde existing in 1836. I like the game, its fun, but the AI is a problem

>>2225109
do you want this game to be rail roaded

>>2225111
it's afternoon in EVROPA chudbeit? don't tell me you're from the colonies?

>>2225115
Yes.

>>2225115
The game is already railroaded, just not historically.

Nothing ever happens fags should explain why Bohemia is half the HRE + ate Denmark+ has the biggest colonial presence in north America in my campaign

>>2225111
mutt exposes himself kek

>>2225119
>>2225117
This! So much this discord sisters!

>>2225059
>muscovy is growing
>golden horde collapsed
>I am britain
>ottomans have raped the byzantines
This is in my game. Nothing exciting with the Hapsburgs but it's still very early.

>>2225114
calling me a tranny wont make the game better

>>2225104
Skill issue. Go back to playing with Eu4 incel.

>>2225111
The troon is a ruzzian

>The map is completely static and nothing ever happens.
france eating england doesn't count
bohemia eating nearby minors doesn't count
byzantine dying doesn't count
portugal dying doesn't count
spain colonizing the entirety of america doesn't count
>The map is completely static and nothing ever happens.

>>2225127
>but it's still very early.
you absolute fool

The whole point is that it remains frozen in time for the next 400 years

>>2225128
>calling me a tranny wont make the game better

>>2225131
>t. only played until 1400

back to the sharty

Iberia

In 4/5 runs Aragon stayed in Iberia.

In 4/5 runs Portugal lost most of its territory.

In 3/5 runs Morocco/Granada persisted in Iberia. In one of the two runs where they were pushed out, it was actually Portugal that drove them out for the most part.

British Isles

England + Scotland never unified (5/5).

England failed to conquer Ireland in every run (5/5).

England never managed to annex all Welsh land (5/5).

In 4/5 runs England lost land to external invaders (most commonly France).

France

France never managed to integrate all internal enclaves by 1837 (5/5).

In 2/5 runs France failed to push England out of France.

In 2/5 runs France lost Normandy to outside powers.

Austria

Austria + Hungary never unified (5/5).

Austria + Bohemia never unified (5/5).

Russia

Russia never managed to form (5/5).

Ottomans

Ottomans never expanded west of Bulgaria or north of Macedonia (5/5).

>>2224987
bump

>>2225121
Because your campaign resides in the 18th century and the AI of all the other countries hasn't moved a single muscle.
>no image
LOL

>>2225134
>>t. only played until 1400

>>2225129
I’m not the gsg troon you raging sperg

>>2225107
>Theres no w-ACCCCKK!!

>>2225103
Because the automation priorities are profit and dire building needs it will not buy food if you have a surplus, it will not buy pop demands at a profit loss and will let building demands go unattended if they have highish efficiency
This is really bad if you play a non brain-dead mode nation like France, Hungary,Bohemia, etc
If you want to actually play the game then it needs work

>>2225138
>Because your campaign resides in the 18th century and the AI of all the other countries hasn't moved a single muscle.
Rangeban all thirdies.

>>2225136
This!

>>2225141
>>2225139
Go back.

>>2225136
>Austria + Hungary never unified (5/5).
>Austria + Bohemia never unified (5/5).
AFAIK this is not scripted in the game in any way and about as random as any nation getting a marriage union into personal union on any other nation by pure RNG and game mechanix

I don’t care what anyone here says. EU5 is my new favorite paradox game. The AI needs fixes, just like the AI in every other paradox game. Wake me up when you can point out a competitor that does all of this plus has a better AI.

>>2225136
holy shit I had no idea it was this bad. how the fuck did they release this game?

The Szlata (Noble Estate) stole 100 Legitimacy, Prestige and Stability in a fucking year

wide as an ocean, shallow as a puddle

>>2225147
>Go back

>>2225153
god this game is broken as shit

>>2225138
1600 actually
I don't commit to long campaigns until I fully understand all the mechanics

>>2225147
>Go b-ACK!

>>2225154
But enough about CK3

>>2225149
its good for the first playthrough, drops off like a rock after you start dealing with the AI

just how completely static is the map and utterly nothing ever happens and broken is this game that slujrpers are voting very positive?

The AI is totally unable to utilize any of the fancy schmancy mechanics they worked on, so the game is a total bore once you learn the basics and realize nothing ever happens

>>2225136
>france claim hegemony every time
>either Austria or bohemia expands everywhere like a pest
>game seems finished after 100 years
Glad to see nothing changed.

>>2225162
>MY FELLOW SHIT EATERS LOVE EATING SHIT, WHY DONT YOU?

>>2225157
>no image
LOL

>>2225160
This post could be made about any other paradox game and there’d be no difference.

>>2225136
>5 full games played
>game released less than a week ago
>>2225138
>no image
None of you fags are posting images either.

this website is so fucking good bros...

this game is so broken its baffling. vic3 tier.

>>2225150
90% sure their QC was instructed to check for bugs with the game mechanics and features themselves instead of providing feedback with the timeline. Doubly so if they have zero knowledge of history.

>>2225171
they were AI simulations, you stupid nigger
https://www.reddit.com/r/EU5/comments/1osjkqo/i_did_5_aionly_runs_in_eu5_these_are_the/

>>2225136
>stealing posts from reddit

>>2225171
>makes claim of extraordinary happening
>no image
LOL

>>2225136
Goddamn it, I wanted to play this game. It looks fun but i cant stand broken ai

>go to try a second run after 300 year bohemia
>pick aragon
>quit after 50 years
map painting and playing around with manufacturing numbers

>>2225176
nothing ever happens

>>2225162
Stuff happens near me
>France doesn't care about coalitions
>neither does poland
>everyone gets 6 million allies
>I can barely get two
>everyone expands near me
Good thing I manage to scam Brandemburg into a defensive pact or whatever they are called

>>2225070
>Lepanto
BASED

The reviews are starting to slide down lol

>>2225167
>>MY FELLOW SHIT EATERS LOVE EATING SHIT, WHY DONT YOU?

the honeymoon is over. people are waking up to this game

gsgtroonery is non-accepted culture here.

>>2225175
Nah kys and go back you dumb faggot redditor

paradox is probably going to refund this game to everyone and take it off steam by this thursday.
this game has been nothing but an absolute disaster.
hopefully they learned their lesson and will never make another game again.

>>2225136
very fun "game"

imagine deepthroating a 40 billion dollar company on 4chan of all places. surely they don't pay you guys for this

>>2225179
It looks grim but you'll spnd an entire weekend on less than 100 years of game time, so you won't actually be feeling it. Or at the very least, you're going to need A LOT of play time before it becomes repetitive.

>Novgorod is the most literate country in Europe at the start equal to China and Japan
Damn imagine if they unified Russia instead of the Muscovy thugs

>>2225078
>takes a shit on a plate

>>2225191
It already started, Johan called me and apologized

>>2225192
>>2225136
>very fun "game"

>>2225200
cool selfie

Did the third worlders wake up? What's with all this spam?

>>2225181
>>2225184
>>2225188
>>2225191
>>2225192
>>2225193
All me
I'm trans btw

>>2225201
>cool selfie

>>2225195
>imagine if they unified Russia instead of the Muscovy
Yeah, it was a shame. Onfim deserved better.

People bitching about this games AI should go back to eu4. EU5 isnt supposed to be "fun". Its supposed to be a realistic simulation

>>2225202
Even worse, mutts are waking up

>>2225168
I don't need to provide images, Bohemia blobs in every game I played, you'd know this if you played the game but youre a thirdie that can't run it despite having less requirements than retro games like cyberpunk

>>2225208
>EU5 isnt supposed to be "fun"

>>2225208
if it's so realistic then why doesn't russia form? why doesn't austria hungary form?

>>2225208
>realistic simulation
>golden horde is a god like empire that persists until the 1300s

The game actually being good mindbroke /gsg/fags to the point they're fellating EU IV. Back when I used to use /gsg/ almost a decade ago EU IV was relentlessly mocked for being simplistic fag shit. What happened to make it so schizo?

>>2225208
>realistic
my sides

THE SPEED
HOLY SHIT

>>2225208
>>2225012

>>2225210
Retard faggot
If you did you'd know bohemia gets mega fucked mid 15th century
T. Bullheemia emperor

>>2225208
>EU5 isnt supposed to be "fun".
LMAOOOOO
What a fucking joke

>>2225208
I like this game a lot, but this is a retarded post. The autistic state building and simulation IS fun. AI needs to be fixed because it’s ahistorical in not blobbing by the 18th century.

>>2225208
There we have it

moderators of 4chan.... i kneel

I spent the time to fabricate a holy war CB on Granada via the spy network (really in the early game you should be able to declare war without this bs step) it said I have the CB, it shows up in the diplo screen but when I go to declare war it doesn't show the option to use it, only the no CB option. What gives? Paracucks not letting me attack poor innocent muzzies?I'm shitposting here I know I'm likely doing something wrong Playing as Castile.

>>2225213
>if it's so realistic then why doesn't russia form? why doesn't austria hungary form?

>>2225215
Old good new bad is the easiest mantra used by contrarians

>>2225215
>why are contrarian shitposters contrarian
also euiv was an ok game if you weren't an actual autist who wanked off victoria and eu2
eu5 is ok too

>>2225213
I haven't played beyond 1600 but there is always one or two major countries in the Russian area usually Muscovy or Kiev/Ruthenia and Austria Hungary should almost never form it's a bloody personal union random chance born nation if you want to railroad a fucking marriage then you're far gone

>>2225215
1) You're on /vst/ you retarded animal.
2) One game having bad and/or poorly implemented features doesn't mean a different game is good via another game's demerits you autistic animal

>>2225208
>STOP HAVING FUN, IT ISNT REALISTIC!
the absolute state

>most people never played EU IV past mid 1500
>suddenly the state of the game in 1837 is relevant and a deal breaker
Very organic complains

>>2224856
>there's a single set of values that is vastly superior to any other
no there isnt. if you think you want the same sliders playing as genoa vs playing yuan you are fucking retarded

>>2225241
>a game that takes place across 500 years
>your only supposed to play for the first year otherwise your complaints are "inorganic"
funny

>>2225244
>your

>>2225241
>most people never played past mid 1500 because it was a slog in one game
>most people don't want to play past mid 1500 in a different game because it's a slog

Eu4troons lost

both sides are making some valid points in between all the cuck and tranny allegations, shitflinging and ragebaiting

>>2225241
>>most people never played EU IV past mid 1500
because the game sucks after that due to shite AI
just like eu5

we are losing to soccer.

>>2225246
>ur

>>2225249
there arent two sides, it isnt eu4 vs eu5

I like EU5, i liked eu4 too but detested its gameyness and simplicity. eu5 is a great game, i love the direction they are going.

that belief isnt mutually exclusive with the belief that the AI is awful, unfun, and ruining the game.

>>2225241
>>most people never played EU IV past mid 1500
Maybe they should actually bring back multiple start dates.

>>2225242
Why wouldn't you go centralised, innovative and quality every game ?
That being said I understand why it's there, both sides don't need to be equal, you need something to represent why Florence has superior organisation than some random tribe beyond literacy,dev and tech

>>2225253
>we
>losing
If your metric for how much you enjoy a game is the player count then you should leave /vst/ entirely and go to the gacha generals.

>>2225255
from my POV there are two sides
>AI blobbing is good gang
>AI blobbing is bad gang

>go in reds due to ?? in economy
>decide yolo, take out all loans
>invest in gunsmiths
>bankrupcy
>wait 5 years
???
profit

>>2225253
>mostly negative reviews
>still more players

>>2224856
The value sliders are so good they shit on literally every other mechanic lazily slapped on top of EU4. It actually creates the illusion of state craft and shaping your society, each one affecting and being effected by dozens of other things. You’re actually a low IQ moron if you can’t see that. Even if centralization is what you go for every time, it simulates the process of centralizing a medieval state and the consequences of doing so/not doing so.

>>2225260
Your POV is retarded and delusional.

>>2225260
No, AI shouldnt blob as atrociously as eu4, but it also shouldnt do absolutely nothing for 500 years. empires should rise and fall, tons of things should be constantly happening.

>>2225257
Yes lets distract the Devs with random bullshit nobody actually uses instead of having them work on relevant issues
It's incredible how grand strategy players don't understand that resources are finite

>>2224737
You might be a newfag retard, but at least you're a brave newfag retard; for having admitted such a thing.

>>2225265
A genius admires simplicity, a idiot admires complexity

>>2225265
I-a click-a the button and mah society is a-changing mamma mia this is-a so much realism

>>2225270
>WASTE YOUR LIFE LIKE I DID OR YOUR OPINIONS ARENT RELEVANT

>>2225265
Who cares, all it matters is money and armies

>>2225269
A 1444 start date would be good, but only years from now after the UI and AI are reworked. I like the slow burn and I love the medieval setting, but I can understand why people want to skip that and jump to 1444.

>>2225269
So why did they inflict random bullshit on themselves and added rougly 200 years to the gametime?

>>2225276
A 1444 start date would suffer from the same issue of no late game. Siege of Vienna would be a better start point.

>>2225270
Nobody cares you fucking idiot
>oh no, some gsg nigger called me a newfag, what ever will I do
Dumbass, fucking dumbass that you are

admit it .

staring at the map and clicking buttons is just not very fun.

the fact is that more people would rather stare at an email interface in football manager because one in a while they get to watch the computer play fifa against itself.

Shouldn't only high initiative infantry upgrade into other high inititative infantry? Or am I supposed to not have 'melee' and 'ranged' at the same time in a stack?

>>2225278
Never respond to me again.

>frogposter has dumb opinions
imagine my shock

>>2225253
This doesn't look like losing to me.

>>2225285
No

>>2225277
You understand that "adding 200 years" just means adding tech right? That's nowhere as demanding as changing the entire map and every single value

>>2225280
>want to play as Austria
>ottoblob is already at my capital
>have to rely on AI allies to have a good run

>>2225272
And a genius like you regurgitates the same shit takes from facebook? Shut the fuck up retard.
>>2225273
You haven’t played the game if you think this. You literally CAN’T just click a button and change everything. That’s literally what EU4 does.
>>2225275
You get more armies and money by managing your state correctly.

So it this confirmed to be the worst launch of a paradox game in recent history?

>>2225270
I'm in my mid-20s now and still getting looked down upon by boomer idiots who have been at this shit since I was in kindergarten. Jesus fuck you millenials will NEVER allow anyone born after 1995 to have an opinion on the internet, will you? Unc ass bastards frfr ong or whatever current kids' slang is nowadays. Fuck.
>t. newfag retard

so, anyone have a good japan game yet? how'd it shake out for you?

>>2225280
A 1444 start date would be perfect for the colonial period. 1683 the world is effectively already divided

>>2225292
How's it different from 1444 Byzzies?

>>2225295
just a typical launch of a map game. nobody ever wants to play this trash.

>>2225284
Sir, this is NOT the thread when you ask questions about eu5

i want a 1776 start, thats the only reason i bought this shitty game and it wasnt even here

>>2225295
That would be every other paradox release from when Paradox switched to the DLC model.

>>2225272
>A genius admires simplicity, a idiot admires complexity

>>2225290
No it also means adding more microcountries and asynchronic dev for no reason.

>>2225295
I'm trans btw if that matters

>>2225300
They are not under siege yet

>>2225253
>comparing a gsg to a sports game
Most retarded thing I've seen all year.

>>2225307
How ?

>>2225293
No, you haven't played the game. You saw sliders and someone told you that sliders were in an older game so you used your pajeet cognition and assumed that sliders must be good.

Broken.
Buggy.
Unpolished.

That's EU5

picrel, its paraslaves eating this SLOP

Sometimes I forget how terrible american hours are on all boards

>>2225312
Genre:
>simulation
>mangement
>strategy

>>2225315
You don’t just click the sliders, you drooling nigger. You don’t know the thing you’re criticizing.

>>2225315
But they told me sliders were bad!

>>2225312
>MUH GSG

>>2225062
What are these taxes? You need more Maximum Taxation for your estates, you're barely getting shit from them. I don't know if that's just how Naples starts or what.

>>2225258
centralized and innovative are almost always better but basically no nations start of centralized or innovative so the gameplay for these is trying to make your way across and resist decentralizing factors rather than a decision of which side to pick.

most of the other sliders are somewhat balanced. there are definitely different use cases for capital vs traditional, offence vs defence, spiritual vs humanist, serfdom vs free subjects, land vs naval, individual vs communal etc.

Everyone reply with your rating for eu5 1-10, the sum of all the ratings will be the official, indisputable verdict on the game

SMS games like europa, anno, football manager, and motorsport manager

>>2225314
???

>>2225319
You do actually, and it gives weight to the side you clicked.

If CK3 managed to have multiple successful and well-regarded start dates, so can we.
>867 for viking/pagan gaming
>1066 for a more stable unified europe and HRE politics
>that newer start date for crusader jerusalem shenanigans
we could have the same as well
>1337 - medieval feaudal gameplay
>1444 - classic Ottomans/Austria/Muscovy/England/France/Spain/Portugal/Byzantium gameplay
>one more start date in the 1500s

>>2225326
2/10 - good foundation, needs lots of work. very shallow, boring gameplay.

>>2225326
without ai being considered, 7/10
given the shitty ai, 4/10

how do i make money

>>2225318
Football manager is fantasy football for people who are autistic for management sim but normie enough to care about football, it's an untapped niche demographic that they have full control of
It's like paradox was the only historical game dev

>>2225326
4 maybe
it was maybe kinda fun at first but man it becomes a slog the second time

>>2225326
0, slop. Shit

>>2225319
>heh you also wait for the status effect to run out so you can click the sliders again
>this is just like my favourite JRPG!

>>2224648 (OP)
How do you win that first Polish-Lithuania war as the Teutons?

>>2225326
boring/10

Is gsg really so dead all its posters are here?

>>2225326
6. I'd rate it way higher, like 8 or 9, if it weren't so buggy right now.

>>2225326
It's by far the best Paradox 1.0 release.
A solid 7.5/10.
The only things I don't like are the AI and parts of the UI.

>>2225311
Then roll it back a few years, not a big deal.

>>2225316
>>2225278
Someone explained how the filename randomizer worked for me and now I can't stop noticing.

>>2225328
I literally have no idea of what you're talking about, adding years into the game only requires tech and models, what does dev and tags have to do with it unless you want to railroad events?

>>2225341
You're on a board that was made specifically for /gsg/ posters you dumb newfag.

Oh shit...

...

>>2225343
>It's by far the best Paradox 1.0 release
anyone denying this is retarded

>>2225348
>1352
What the fuck did you do nigger.

>>2225330
Ck3 also has no pops and every nation is basically the same

>oooo dynamic institution spawn ooo
>check reqs
>90% of shit is "is in europe" locked
fucking LAME

>>2225347
>board that was made specifically for /gsg/ posters
that would be /vg/ but you got kicked out of there because you are annoying faggots no one likes LMAOOOOO

>>2225345
wym?

>>2225351
I uhh took all the papal states and then tried to sell him my claim on Avegnon?
IDK really I have been kinda antagonizing him I guess and was preparing another war to vassalize more of central Italy but I do feel this was a bit harsh, right?

>>2225329
The cabinet member is one action that influences the sliders and only up to a point because there’s a cap depending on how you have you’re country set up. And it’s only “giving weight.” Everything else that influences sliders is your economy, laws, privileges, nation-specific buffs or debuffs, parliament type, government type, what institutions and advancements you have, etc. pulling the values certain ways. You have to look at different aspects of your country and make significant modifications to get it moving to the values you want. But you can’t just click click click because things you do have effects on your estates, your stability, and your legitimacy.
It’s a better mechanic than literally anything in EU4.

>>2225353
Browns MAD

>>2225347
The board was made for all the people who wanted to discuss strategy games but didn't want to use /gsg/ because it was a steaming pile of shit that doesn't discuss its namesake. By the time /vst/ was created /gsg/ had already devolved into schizoposting. It's on the same level as the Katawa Shojou general.

>>2225333
build building and expand rgos that have value/demand

>>2225346
...the 1337 start date has more microcountries that exist? They just threw away the foundation and familiarity they had with working on EU4 start for a decade, increasing dev efforts for no reason?

>>2225353
>be china
>europeans discover gunpowder before me

literally nothing ever happens.
i can sit here at speed 5, going bankrupt repeatedly and letting my rebels win, but still the map is completely static and nothing ever happens.
ming doesn't spawn, red turban doesn't spawn, yuan never ceases to exist even though i'm just sitting here doing nothing with 0 ducats.

>>2225326
8, the AI issues need a lot of play time to be perceived, beyond that market mechanics are kind of eh, the diplo gameplay somewhat shallow, and there are some of the usual bugs you would expect, but in spite of all these it's an incredibly fun and addictive experience. I can easily see myself put in all of the hundreds if not thousands of hours.

>>2225358
i just want to weeb out with proper armies :(
>>2225362
FUCK you chang

>>2225353
Dynamic institution spawns just mean
>if someone has tons of paper production, there is a high chance they invent printing

>>2225353
>Why can't the scientific method sprout in places that have never heard of philosophy

>>2225359
Holy larping newfag.

are aztecs fun to play?

>>2225363
>letting my rebels win
If you let any estate rebels win then you bugged the Red Turban chain and bricked your playthrough

>>2225350
HOI2 vanilla?

>>2225357
>you’re

>>2225372
nobody played hoi2 or hoi1

>>2225362
Chinese people didn't recognise western canons and guns as the same shit they had because they were so much better for your information
Chinese people invented all that but their science was entirely vibe based, they didn't understand the physics and math behind it

>>2225315
mindbroken gsg tranny.

>>2225368
>japs have bazillion warrior-clan dojos and shit crammed everywhere
>somehow nobody there thinks of the idea to have permanent militants as a job
cum on now
>>2225366
i've seen the printing press spawn in fucking india thrice, you can't tell me that's logical

>>2225326
7-8

>>2225343
My thoughts exactly, 7.0-7.5 out of 10.
UI has some shit design in parts. The game hides information from you or it's hard to find. The AI doesn't behave historically enough, or at least doesn't expand reliably.

>>2225349
You could tell me that's a screenshot of me and I would easily believe it. Hell, maybe it actually is.

>>2225375
Korea used the Hwacha as early as 1350 but ingame you can't research the Hwacha tech until the institution has spread all the way from Europe. Its fucking stupid

For me, it's locking institutions to historical.

>>2225383
It's better than anything Eu4 has ever had.

>>2225378
>you can't tell me that's logical
They just have high paper production.

AUTONOMOUS
REGIONS
IN
YOUR
COUNTRY
SHOULD
MAKE
THEIR
OWN
MONEY
THEY
INVEST
INTO
THEIR
OWN
INFRASTRUCTURE
as is, low control areas evaporate money

>>2225361
You cant port EUIV to EUV, EUIV doesn't even have population count lmao it's literally worse than HOI4 in that aspect
If they had the same start date it wouldn't matter they would had to reinvestigate every historical source from 0

>>2225375
Honestly, it will all be good once the AI is made to arrive in Asia quicker. Adopting shit from the Europeans will be fun, as will playing them against each other and your local rivals.

>>2225388
maybe they should fucking use some of it to wipe their asses then.

>>2225387
I don't see how that's relevant

>>2225323
>capital vs traditional
Always capital.
>spiritual vs humanist
Always humanist.
>individual vs communal
Always individual.
>land vs naval
Always land.

>>2225374
>nobody played hoi2 or hoi1
Zoom zoom.

>>2225355
>shitpost thread made on some board
>first post is an anon showing that the unix timestamp on the OP is nonsensical (I think it was the future)
>OP says that the filename randomizer wasn't working so he was putting in fake timestamps himself instead of just using a normal filename
>rest of the thread is people mocking him and asking what he needs the randomizer for
The randomizer sets the filename to a random timestamp in the last year. Only use case is to make it seem like they got an image here or to mask that you're posting the same image over and over again. If you see a bunch of posts by the same person with images that meet that criteria and aren't in the archive, then they're probably using the randomizer. Whenever I notice someone is using it they're almost always incredibly antagonistic or straight up spamming.
>https://crestresearch.ac.uk/resources/mining-the-chans/
Might be relevant.

>>2225396
ah, makes sense

>>2225374
HOI2 was my introduction to Paradox, back when Darkest Hour didn't even exist and its map was just the state the E3 map mod was in at the time.

>>2225395
you gotta be at least 50 years old if you played hoi2, what the fuck

>>2225395
>NOOO MY BOOMER GAME WAS REALLY POPULAR

eu5 is slop

>>2225373
Oh no, not a minor spelling mistake. I guess it’s over.

>>2225360
>build building
what buildings

LMAOOOO 15 PEOPLE PLAYED HOI2
how many played eu3? like 10?

>>2225390
You're genuinely retarded mate.

>>2225395
Ahh, now this is gaming

>>2225408
at least 100

>>2225378
The thing is that having the institution of professional armies comes with tons of technological advances unlocked, I understand what you are saying but in the frame of the game institutions are the small steps towards the scientific method and the scientific method couldn't have sprouted anywhere but Europe or the middle east because the epistemology is the evolution of Greek philosophy

>>2225405
It helps to stop a retarded post.

>>2225403
Back in my day games weren't launched through steam bud

>>2225383
That shit is a gimmick that probably didn't do much more than psychological damage
Like I said before it's vibe technology

>>2225415
>cope

>>2225414
It gives you a way to concede without having to say it because you know you’re wrong.

>>2225396
So 1 guy is so scared of being called out hes pretending to be multiple people even while making abhorrent bait?

>>2225409
You don't understand how the game was made

>>2225394
traditional economy is actually better most of the time unless you're a tiny trade focused nation.

spiritualist gives a lot of tolerance of the true faith which is always great whereas humanist doesn't give much of value

naval vs land depends a lot on your nation but usually naval is better if you have any significant coastline

>>2225413
to cut back on the shitposting, i do think that some institutions should have the ability to spawn in multiple places because some are kind of obvious advancements. meritocracy (not that it spawns ingame), professional armies, arguably the printing press, you get my point. it'd fit both logically and mechanically.

One of my main complaints:
each branch of research locked behind institutions with slow as fuck spread.

>>2225423
...yeah? I wasn't there dumbass.

>>2225428
Gotta teach them pops how to read

>>2225421
Maybe not, some people do just post timestamped images from the last year and there are others who probably just have it on for innocent reasons. Just sharing my recent observations. I'm sure there's some confirmation bias as I only really look for this when the post is already low quality.

>cant play as muscovy because game nerfed russia and boosted kiev to appease trannies
Fuck this, im out

>>2225416
It raped the Japanese in the Imjin war.

>>2225434
in what way were they nerfed?

love how the game lags the fuck out when you play as japan because of the 30,000 BBC armies that make the first 100 years a horrible slog

>1440'ish
>Bohemia HRE random bits and pieces around HRE
>On top which has 30 subjects
Bohemia owns roughly a third of the entire HRE, this can't be intended. I'll play my second game after they'll fix this shit

>>2225426
At the very least there should be a way to "bring" an institution home at the cost of gold, stability, estate happiness that scales based on your country's literacy and values.

>>2225420
No it's because the post is too retarded for a serious reply so you can only assume the one that made it is trolling.

>>2225434
errrrrrrrrm why would you want to play as the bad guys? play as KYUV and form UKTRANS

>>2225436
one of the devs literally said that they basically nerfed russia to make it more "dynamic". that includes alot of artificial stupid obstacles and huge debuffs and weak characters

There's too many 'soft locks'
For example
>can call settlers from place X to capital, to boost income
>conquer place
>can no longer call settlers
Or the most obvious
>having multiple vassals with their own 100 control capital is always better than one CENTRALIZED, ABSOLUTE country with one single 100C capital

>>2225440
>still nothing close to an argument
I accept your concession.

>>2225434
>>2225438
>>2225437
>>2225445
STOP COMPLAINING
THE GAME IS PERFECT AND IF YOU CRITICIZE IT, YOUR A TRANNY

>>2225435
>It raped the Japanese
Sure thing Kuk Hu-Bong

>>2225449
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Haengju

>>2225439
that's also fair. back in ye eu4, you could at least 'force' it to appear by spending shitloads of mana on development once it'd shown up on your map. would be nice to have something analogous.

>>2225446
>it's not just one click please take my shitpost seriously
No.

>>2225426
Yes but in the game professional armies unlocks the tech to field gunpowder armies, guns in Asia coexisted with bows and arrows, you need physicists and engineers to make guns of the quality that will replace every traditional weapon on the field (for infantry at least) which Asia didn't have or at least not of the same proficiency as in Europe, people in Asia fought on top of elephants until the XIX century that says a lot,imagine how expensive is to feed an elephant as non industrial society, they still thought it was worth the price because they didn't get obliterated instantly by accurate fire like they would in the west

>>2225445
Also if I get a civil war, my income goes up
Anything with a 'base value' instead of being purely dynamic is cringe

>>2225436
In EU4 Moskals are on the strongest tags, with their own special interactions and special units. On top of which the Orthodoxy is one the strongest religions in that game. They're not super special in EU5 anymore so the ziggers are butthurt

>>2225434
Congratulations you're worse than the AI

>>2225434
skill issue

>>2225458
Your country is literally called queef and has lost 60% of its population to being genocided by the masterrace or fleeing to have sex with poles.

You lost.

>>2225461
you used debug mode to cheat. cool. i can see you left the fucking debug icon on LMAO

OOO

FUGGG
:D

>>2225435
And what could it do to a contemporary European army with full plated heavy cavalry and canons ? Probably not much

>>2225426
Institutions should be able to spawn multiple times in different regions. Not a lot of innovations appeared just once and were created by a single society of people. Also those institutions absolutely should not lock you out of 1/3 of your tech tree. Islamic empires haven't adopted printing press until 1800s because why would you use dumb barbarian methods when there's a millenium old literary tradition, and it didn't stop the Ottomans from raping half of Europe for centuries.