>debuts with pretentious complex lore
>does nothing with it ever
Vtubers should just stop doing lore if it contributes nothing to the long term brand/content

she's waiting for the right time, retard

>>101249914 (OP)
So you want pokimane, sykunno, and lilypichu vtubers? Just regular peeps with avatars?

>>101249921
>she's waiting for the right time
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>101249914 (OP)
>does nothing with it ever
But Kronii has brought up her lore several time when it was relevant to her stream topics and expanded on it with her mascot Boros and so on
What else do you want her to do with her lore? Make time warden roleplay streams?

Given her character and lore, she can't do anything more complicated than make puns about time.

>>101249914 (OP)
women are not capable of being creative

Lore is what separates us from the beasts (fleshtubers)

OP, vtubing is not for you

FUCK OFF go watch kei senat or another filthy fleshie idk

>debuts with pretentious complex lore
where?

>>101249914 (OP)
You're acting like it's the talent themselves that make these decisions, most of the time it's Cover, and they just step into the role and are given a pitiful amount of creative freedom for what to do with it.

Fauna was supposed to be a fuckin giraffe at the beginning, and didn't even know what a Qirin was, forget her being the guardian of nature, it's Cover that pushed the theme shit that's now blowing up in their face with shit like Council now only having 2 members, and Myth being gutted without the Shark and Detective, gonna be even more evident with how bad these ideas are when Advent and the Justchuds who are intrinsically linked through corporate lore lose one of their members.

>>101249914 (OP)
Why is Kronii so fuckable chat?

>>101249914 (OP)
Uhhhh you do know she is corporate and didn't come up with those paragraphs herself right

>>101250252
>Fauna was supposed to be a fuckin giraffe at the beginning, and didn't even know what a Qirin was
East asian languages use the same name for giraffes as they do kirins since giraffes looked similar to the mythical creature.

>>101250281
Isnt Kirin literally giraffe in Niponese

>>101250337
and chinese and korean and vietnamese

>>101250337
nipponese and korean

>>101249914 (OP)
>vtubers

Fucker its the writer and the designers. Omega and shit writers like Merryweather are responsible for such SHIT lore

>>101250267
because shes not shes depressed lesbian unless your name is sally your never getting with kronii

>>101250252
Fauna at least kept doing references to nature and all since it's pretty easy and obvious, building the world tree was on brand too. I don't think girls like Mumei or Bae ever had any good material to work with.

>>101250403
But she is and only a raging homosexual would think otherwise. Well, are you?

>>101249914 (OP)
Yes, that would be preferable than the worst of both worlds, but they should just fucking do something with it instead of making bland slop.

>>101249935
Anon, I-

>>101249914 (OP)
>Vtubers should just stop doing lore if it contributes nothing to the long term brand/content
But vtubers do stop when they have nothing to do with it. Do you even watch them?

>>101250490
Bae as a vtuber is just a complete clusterfuck, perfectly fitting for the chaos theme.
Knows almost no pop culture stuff, mid at best when it comes to gaming, clearly wanted to be more idol based and has the moves for it but lacks the singing skill, and all this culminates in her (sadly) getting bullied non-stop by the Brats, so, the very fact that her job is to be a vtuber IS the chaotic part.

Mumei... well if she (was) repping humanity, only real option for themed content would be making her a react streamer and there's no way Cover would sign off on that, especially with what tiktoks become.

>>101251026
Clio Aite is basically Mumei if her concept was actually executed

>>101251209
lolno

>Kronii has all this complex lore
>still cant get Sally for herself
>fucks things up with Fauna
>wants to sexually assault Ina
Kronii should go full STOP MAN.
https://files.catbox.moe/parc2v.mp4

>>101250403
So will Kroni forever be alone?
What about if Sally were to get a divorce?
How could Kroni take advantage of that situation

>>101249914 (OP)
>Vtubers should-
Stop right there this is just a Promise/Council thread, dont pretend to involve other vtubers in your schizophrenia

On the contrary, Promise/Council SHOULD be vague with their lore because they're representatives of things we can't know the true essence of. Kronii's exact role as the time warden is too complex for us to comprehend, so she learned early on that talking shop with laymen is impossible or even potentially dangerous.
Maybe being the warden of time is exactly that: to ensure mortals never grasp the true nature of causality and entropy. Might be why she's such a bitch to Fauna.

>>101251500 (me)
>Might be why she's such a bitch to Fauna.
Oh fuck I just realized
So that's why Sana (space, sky) and Fauna (nature) fucked off...

>>101249914 (OP)
But but.... ENreco...

>>101249921
Fuck you.

>>101251469
Anon, have you seen Vshojo, Phase or indies do anything great with their lore other than debut slop?

I treat vtuber lore like I treat Dark Souls 1 item descriptions. Flavour text designed to expand and give context to the world, but not thought too deeply about (but you are welcome to do so at your leisure).

>>101251442
By fucking the ex-husband so Sally would get jealous and want Kronii back.

>>101249914 (OP)
Just because your whore is too lazy to do anything with their lore doesn’t mean everyone else is.

>>101251621
Enreco didn't really use chuubas' "personal" lore, instead they all got characters with entirely separate lore.

>>101251667
Are there any vtubers who get deep into their lore? I feel like the secret appeal of lore is that its potential is never revealed. Detail too much of it and people will no longer want to know, no longer imagine their own headcanons and shit. i.e we don't really desire what we think we desire, but rather we desire to go on desiring; satisfaction, the death of desire, is always disappointing.

>>101251631
>>101251732
I dunno about small corpos but I do know three indies that go full tism with their lore
https://youtube.com/@HatobaTsugu
https://youtube.com/@ljotswanhild
https://youtube.com/@suraya_archive

>>101249914 (OP)
Why are you singling her out when almost none of them do anything with their lore?

>>101251792
inb4 someone says fwmc or luna
kayfabe =/= lore, at least not necessarily. fwmc don't ever go into the whole demon guard dog thing.

>>101251765
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr_OGyz75R4
Thanks man. Needed that seizure.

>>101251827
>fwmc
And it's fucking exhausting outside of group collabs.

>>101251866
don't watch it then bruv

>>101251849
oh shit this fuckin rules
worlds first idm chuuba

>>101251765
>third one
all this worldbuilding autism

>>101249914 (OP)
>Be Mumei, Civilization
>Plan on having history streams
>Company immediately realizes this is a bad fucking idea and backtracks it
Probably for the best. Mumei would probably come off as retarded.

>>101251996
Different method, same outcome?

>>101250490
Mumei wanted to play games like Civilization but kept getting shut down

>>101249914 (OP)
Is this an Omegay apologist?

>>101251631
Koragi goes super-autistic with her "post-apocalyptic uplifted Zodiac animals" lore + alt characters, to the point of interacting with herself on Twitter, doing hours-long collabs with herself, and setting the username on her Switch to Nekoragi because canonically she's borrowing it from her.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLggOATzJoV7P_7pu7Mg0goWxtD8Rvx8Se

...but recently she said she's getting demoralised because as she gets bigger her new viewers either think those streams are cringe or don't understand what's going on.
It sounds like she's not going to do any more unless she can figure out a way to filter those people, like by doing them on Nekoragi's channel.

>>101253197
>new viewers either think those streams are cringe or don't understand what's going on
Of course the newfags refuse to learn and ruin the fun

>>101253411
IIRC it was stuff like

>"Good evening to you, peasants. It is I, your lovely Nezumi-hime-hime-hime-sama, ohohohoho!"
>why is korgi usin a different model
>Where's Koragi
>Did Koragi sell her channel
>Hi newcomer, this isn't Koragi this is her friend Nezumi who streams on her channel sometimes
>weren't you orange
>Hi Koragi! Not using the dog avatar today?
>hi koragi

>>101249914 (OP)
It's all cargo cult mentality and adopting affectations without any substance. You say they should stop, but I think they should get more serious with it. The reason early vtubers did it so heavily is because they were acting which was their job. You can't expect that if you just hire some random egirls.
Your solution is ditch everything complex about vtubing and keep the egirls. My solution is ditch the egirls and keep the vtubing.

>>101249935
Most of the vtubers anons like are just regular streamers with an anime mask.

>>101253577
You say that but in the end no one wants to watch that stuff.

>>101253491
Vtubing failed at gatekeeping. EN was a mistake.

>>101253627
Do you think I care? People want to watch so-called lewdtubers tell sex jokes and so-called dramatubers bitch and moan about everything.

>>101253654
If there is no one to watch, there won't be anyone to stream that, simple as. Most people just want to have a cute anime girl yap about her day.

>>101253718
We live in a world where one of the most popular content creators is Asmongold and people actually take his idiotic opinion seriously. They tune in by the tens of thousands and sometimes hundreds of thousands. You see what "people want to watch" actually has very low value, right in the gutter.
Your solution is lets make sure the parasites are as welcome and comfortable as possible. My solution is torch the parasites and get back to good vtubing. If that means most people stop watching then so be it, if that means you stop watching then so be it.

>>101253718
But they aren't cute anime girls, they're thots. You might as well watch anime on one monitor and pull up a pools & hot tubs stream on the other monitor. There is your stellar popular vtubing.

>>101253628
IIRC she's also suddenly started getting "What game is this" and "Is that your real voice" chatters when she never had them before

>>101253741
>>101253761
You are jumping to the extreme when most vtubers still keep balance between keeping their lore/kayfabe for references, jokes, and special occasions, while being themselves and bonding with their audiences that way.

>>101253741
>>101253761
Congratulations. Your proposed vtubing doesn't get money worth a shit anymore. The only way to guarantee a steady flow of cash is to make sure the audience is as numerous as possible.
You have to make compromises.

>>101250252
What are they even doing, they are clearly building up some lore but like no one cares and yet they keep doing it. Even weirder is only EN is like this, this doesn't exist for JP, JP has shit like a pirate and a coach as some of their more popular vtubers.

>>101253796
>>101253801
>YOU NEED US
>YOU NEED THE MONEY
Nah, vtubing used to do just fine. It doesn't need money going to random egirls, that has not benefited the industry in the slightest. If anything it has only led to stagnation. It's shit, nothing good comes from it, nobody cares you give money to whores because it doesn't benefit anyone else.

>>101250490
what are they supposed to do, look at Mumei, she is the concept of civilization? i mean what is that. That belongs in some artsy anime not on some girl whos main appeal is playing games and being cute

>>101251209
truth nuke

>>101251996
>probably

>>101253936
>that hasn't benefitted japanese corpos in the slightest
Is surely what you meant to say. The industry encompasses more than just Hololive, you massive autistic sperg.

>>101251430
>>101251442
>>101251665
Sally IS hers and will always be. No matter what happens, they will always be sisters.

>>101253741
>...Asmongold and people actually take his opinion seriously
because he's almost always right, and it's not afraid to be so

>>101254070
Best.
Friends.
Forever.
Just friends.

>>101254143
Just friends… with the same parents.

>>101250337
麒麟 =! キリン

>>101251959
lovely aint it

>>101253577
>>101253627
>high quality thoughtful vtuber
>2view indie at 15 views
>some e girl with an anime avatar shaking her live2d tits
>15000 views at 4000 concurrent live audience, gets gamersupps and makeship sponsorship

>>101254064
You're the autistic sperg projecting. Nobody benefits from the fact that you or some other gooner throws money at some whore like ShyLily or any of the other bitches. The industry doesn't expand or get better. It's like a street for theaters, and then one day brothels start showing up. You're saying that brothels are theater now, and the fact they're pushing theaters out is good for theater. It's not you dumbass autist.

You guys are just fucking lonely and you are self-medicating with vtubers. But whereever you go egirls follow, then you turn around and say that's what vtubing is all about, and it ruins it for everyone else.

>>101254121
Asmongold is consistently factually wrong, but he's a weasel and always weasels around the point until people give up. He appeals to emotions and when he says nobody says he's wrong it's because he picks one insignificant minor point to be right about, that nobody else is arguing about. If you don't realize this much at least then you're an imbecile.

>>101257481
Fucking classic holofag, behaving like he's aristocracy or something.

>>101251665
Can't argue there, that would be the quintessential menhera thing to do.

>>101249914 (OP)
i like Shondo, but her 15 minutes lore video on her second debut was ass, so boring, all that shit just to do nothing.

>>101259618
What was it like?

>>101249994
>Make time warden roleplay streams?

>>101249994
I think OP meant Council/Promise as a group. their lore was Omegay pretentious

>>101253767
seems like she needs to get a few moderators and whip chat into shape so the normal people won't leave. thanks for recommending her, i love autistic lore chuubas.

>>101263859
The collabs were doomed from the start because Sana and Bae were not going to get up at odd hours to do them. I'm sure this was one of the mandatory changes for advent and justice though.

>>101264456
timezones only matter when you have a job with a schedule lmao

>>101264456
>have a chuuba be the god personification of thing
>all she does is play games and talks about real life stories
>retires, somehow not affecting the personified thing they represent
Cant you see how jarring the usual vtuber activities are when compared to their lore?!!

>>101250182
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvg4SUna5xw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOWi6Pclr48
plus all the other shit Omega forced on them like making himself the god of Hololive EN, forcing their connection to Tempiss with the HoloAlt manga and other garbage. thankfully they let the girls change their official lore after he was fired.

>>101266168
> thankfully they let the girls change their official lore after he was fired
he wasn't fired tho

>>101251026
they probably shouldn't have given the chaos theme to the normiest girl out of them.

I'm so tired of you ironic weeb tourists, that just ""watch"" vtubers because 4chan doesn't want to give you your "INternet-CELebrity" board.

>>101253577
There is a purpose to it, but nobody does their job correctly.

>>101249935
Yes. When vtubers do nothing with their lore it feels more like watching someone cosplay a character they dont care or know anything about.