Can someone explain to me why ex-holos always recline with regard to their CCVs compared to their previous personas?
It doesn't make sense, since they're the same people

>>101504410 (OP)
Dramafags get bored

>>101504410 (OP)
A for effort Bait

>>101504410 (OP)
vtubers?

threads like these really show how low iq the average "holofan" is

>>101504410 (OP)
Were any of the Beatles as successful solo, etc. There are more opportunities and interesting interactions possible with group dynamics than single, and while some chuubas can get by not collabing much it usually helps to do so - in Holo the quality of the collab partners is all supposed to be high, and they are all in it for each other to mutually all grow together. As indies the quality of collab partners will vary and there isn't as much of a collective push as it is some kind of leeching quid pro quo deal.

>>101504410 (OP)
No box.

>>101504410 (OP)
HoloEN abuses raids to prop up their viewership. There's not enough active ex-HoloENs to do the same on the outside.

>>101504520
>HoloEN cheats by working together
Reminder Dooby raided phase

>>101504410 (OP)
I support the company not the girls. If they leave they become less than trash in my eyes.

>>101504490
i mean mccartney is still in the big leagues today

>>101504410 (OP)
extend it to their debuts as holos (like seen with the fauna graph) and you will see the views are exactly the same
the hype after debut dies down fast and a core audience forms
anyone shitposting with high ccv of the ex-holos was retarded to claim that would be their regular ccv from now on

>>101504551
NTA but anon it's not cheating
It's literally the point of the corpo and grouping up.
The point is to shuffle around a large holobox to various streamers to keep them individually growing, and hopefully get the ones who like X streamer to like Y streamer, too.

>>101504490
the more indies there are the more collab opportunities
there is already a circle that formed around Doki and Mint with ex corpos

>>101504598
Until they inevitably start having women moments and start backstabbing each other

>>101504639
Could say that about any group.
Hell, it happened in Hololive with Rushia and HoloCN.
Either you die a hero or live long enough to become a villain.

>>101504687
>one isolated case and one isolated branch
total halalive death soon

>>101504639
they seem to stay away from the problematic ones
i.e. noone collabs with Sayu

if they keep sticking to the corpo rules when it comes to who to engage with or what is ok to do on stream they will be fine.
the moment they tap into the twitch circle of unhinged vtubers it is all over and they know it, since their core audience is the ones that watched corpos.
those who want coomer content did not watch them in the first place and stick to Shylily and the like

>>101504422
Fpbp

>>101504410 (OP)
Also, no blue dorito buff

>>101504567
Only thanks to his Beatles fame

>>101504723
Fillian, Bao, the two literal who's they're having their concert with.

>>101504711
>makes wild claim that X will eventually backstab, citing an isolated case
>shows case of it happening to Y
>IT WAS JUST ONE ISOLATED CASE
That's the point, retard. There's no point saying "oh man eventually they're gonna backstab each other" when it happens everywhere, especially with no precedent.
>>101504723
>i.e. noone collabs with Sayu
I don't think that's a very good example desu.
Sayu's very much a product of what happened to her, and as such she's a very uncomfortable topic considering pretty much everybody with a name abandoned her to suck up to Niji in 2023. She was a rising star with tons of connections and friends (or so she thought) in the scene, only to have them all ripped away and attack her at once? That'd break anyone.

As far as I've seen, she's been sticking to her own small circle now and there hasn't really been any problems there from her end. The worst she's had are generic outbursts from a while ago because of making plans with friends and them ditching her when it's too late to change things.

So which are good collab partners?
>Filian
>ShyLily
>Bao
>Nyanners
>Ironmouse
>meat
>Hina Bobina
>Kirsche
>Henemimi
>Snoozy
>Fallenshadow
>Inis
>Olivia Monroe

>>101504816
Al of those are fine besides Kirsche really.

>>101504816
me

>>101504816
All of those are terrible.

>>101504410 (OP)
A lot of people are drama tourists and lose interest in the new persona when it turns out they're not going to be shitting on their previous company, Selen-Style.

>>101504859
Reminder: Kirsche is still really close friends with Pipkin Pippa and Marimari_EN.
She's also friends with SmugAlana and Filian.
She's not going away.

>>101504967
>Marimari_EN.
Damn, she sank her teeth into the fish too?
Real shame. I thought she knew better.

>>101504974
Nigger they have had several collabs together, including a 6 hour stream, and an 8 hour stream.
They are really close friends.

>>101504410 (OP)
What do you mean? Those graphs make perfect sense to me, it just shows that their viewers tend to stabilize over time to around the amount of viewers that they've previously had. Nobody can keep a huge influx of new viewers for a long time, and so after some time only the more loyals fans remain. This doesn't mean viewership numbers don't change, but changes are more gradual, like on Fauna's graph.

>>101504967
I'm curious, when was the last time she collabed with Pippa? I wonder if she ended up being chill with her still after that thing.

>>101504998
Shame. Didn't know that about her since I was only tangentially aware of her through other chuubas. Hope my oshi doesn't try to collab with her then

>>101505034
>>101505038
Femanon will you have sex with me? My hormones are pumping right now

>>101505057
Depends if your dick is bigger than mine.

>>101505068
No no, don't play dumb. Only women go this far in trying to stir shit up about other women on the internet.

>graduation spike vs. post-honeymoon dip
meaningless, most of them haven't dropped below their actual former average yet. i don't doubt it will happen but it takes a long time.

Nimi will probably be the best measuring stick for the actual holo vs ex-holo question, since she's doing everything "right" and not self-sabotaging (which totally muddies the waters for performance)

>>101505077
Anon, Kirsche barely qualifies as a woman. She's more of a walking blob of political baggage.

>>101505057
That was a genuine question, if Filian and pippa are still having regular collabs with Kirsche I'll give you that clearly she isn't like radioactive, I just got the impression she got into enough high profile drama to limit her opportunities. She can stick around regardless, grifting politic-rotten people online will always be profitable.

>>101505087
They will probably just stick to near their same old average. Nothing ever happens.

>>101505162
The thing with Kirsche has barely just happened. I can't speculate on what they say behind closed doors, but I know that Pippa and Kirsche are good friends, so we will see them collab in the future, for sure.
No idea about Filian, but Kirsche has been involved with drama before, and Filian still collabbed with her.

>>101505175
NuChloe is bleeding viewers like crazy.
Dooby loses viewers every time she goes on a hiatus and the comeback buff expires.

>>101505189
Dont you mean Pippa? The shooter had Pipkin Pippa written on his gun, he had Pippa posters

>>101505272
Japanese people have corpo loyalty. Dooby had already been bleeding viewers ever since she stopped streaming regularly as Ame.

>>101504490
McCartney was fucking huge with Wings anon. band on the run and RAM sold more than half the beatles catalogue

dorito fags have no loyality to their oshi just like the nijisisters they worship the company not the talant

>>101505622
>YOU OWE THEM VIEWS
Calm down kson

>>101505694
NTA but it's more a difference in mindset
Fans of the company just like the vibes of the corpo and don't care so much about the individual streamers. They don't really have oshis. "Oh cool. Fauna's streaming right now I'll watch her. Huh, okay Bae's streaming now so I'll watch her."

It's a different mindset from people who watch specific streamers for specific content.
In my case, I'll watch my oshi no matter where she goes. She left her corpo so I'll follow. I don't give a shit about the other streamers from the corpo, so I don't have a reason to follow them anymore.

>>101505694
kill yourself windy

>>101504488
Numbrains cannot understand anything but numbers.
They are genuinely autistic.

>>101504410 (OP)
Because a holo is more than just the girl
It's also the design and model, the environment, the collabs with other holos, the concerts and idol activities

Yeah the girl is the most important part, sure, but remove all the rest and it's just not the same anymore

If jannies actually want to fix the board putting down all numbermonkeys who venture outside their dedicated shitting thread has to be the first step.

>>101505925
It's too late anon.
The only people left on the catalog are numbermonkeys while the few remaining vtuber fans cower in their generals.
The board is dead.

>>101505981
chumkeks is still shitting the catalog

>>101504410 (OP)
They're just not that funny or alluring without mane-chan keeping their woman moments in check and holding them up to some sort of standard. That's why Bijou gets so many goodies, she's basically autopilot management for most of the year.

>>101504422
fpbp

>>101505925
>Doob mogs holos
>Crickets
>Doob struggles.to make 3k
>DELETE THESE THREADS
>Nimi mogs holos
>Crickets
>Nimi is no longer a 5 view and loses to HoloEN overlap
>DELETE THESE THREADS
>Next week
>Saba mogs holos

>>101504422
fpbp

>>101504816
Henya, Laimu, Mint, Doki, Amalee, Geega, and Grimmi are some other safe options. Maybe also Peo and Pillowdear if they're okay with slightly smaller collab partners.

>>101504410 (OP)
hololive = cable
the girls = channels
i just watch what channel is playing something interesting at the time and if its not on cable then i dont care

>>101505981
flags & id could fix that

If YouTube doesn't recommend them I have no idea if they're live or not. Unless you're really invested it's hard to keep track of it all.

>>101504422
fpbp

>>101507598
this is literally any streamer u don't watch every day for weeks, yt live algo is trash