Thread 101582858

>Pre debut. Over 500k...

Kneel to the Queen.

By the end of the year we may see five videos.

no

>>101582858 (OP)
Bla bla bla
Doesnt stream
Bla bla bla
Grifter
Bla bla bla
Hates her fans
Bla bla bla
Is a lolicon
Bla bla bla
Hates lolicons
Bla bla bla
Blue shell is mint and purple is selen
Bla bla bla
She hates biboo

There i posted all the slop already, go next thread

>>101582858 (OP)
Saba/gura is exceptoinally talented but lazy

>>101582858 (OP)
So who cares call me when she streams 3 days a week min and doesn't fuck off for months at a time.

>>101582858 (OP)
imagine if it isn't gawt gura

>>101582943
3PBP

>>101582858 (OP)
hololive stonks are PLUMMETING

>>101582943
>She hates biboo
care to explain?

>does nothing
>wins
This is why she left hololive.

>>101585651
They didn't have a dozen collabs every month for the nearly two years between Biboo's debut and Gura's graduation. Schizos think this somehow means there's bad blood between them. The end.

>>101585996
well its more that she collabed with pretty much everyone but beejoe

>>101582858 (OP)
>More than most justice members

>>101582889
That's great, she really loves us

>>101586106
She seemed to avoid Advent like the plague in general, but had no problem collabing with Justice before graduating

>>101583392
It's Momuei then!

>>101582858 (OP)
being popular gives her anxiety, so she'll graduate and redebut in a month. screenshot this.

>>101586447
advent is the bootlicker gen, also huge shift in holo en after they came in.

>>101582858 (OP)
>starting from zero
>new channel
>new name
>already at 500k+
It's so boring when Holo and ex-Holo stand so high above the rest

>>101586613
>advent is the bootlicker gen
Oh, it's you

>>101585651
Biboo does everything Gura did better and she streams consistently, Gura is jealous.

>>101586795
she was successful before hololive

>>101586447
You can't blame someone for not being interested in fake friendship. Advent had their chance to bond with their senpai through Minecraft, and they threw it away in favor of management.

>>101587300
Not really, the virality of her shitpost songs never really translated into stream viewers and she was always a mid-3view on twitch had to work as a literal jany and take commissions from Belle Delphine to pay the bills

>>101587677
lol

>>101585996
>>101586106
>conveniently leaving out how Gura took a shit on advent and justice's growth overlapping them all
>specially overlapping Bijou, same timeslot every single day of streams during the first month

C'mon man, Gura spent months not doing shit and only working to overlap them, actions speak louder than words.

sry i dont kneel to lazy schizo cunts.

>>101587250
except, you know, sing

>>101582889
She's not being held back by Hololive anymore. Expect 24 hour endurance streams on a regular basis.

>>101586795
>from zero
Blasting to the people who followed the 4m channel that she is starting this channel is not starting from zero.

>>101588020
True, so Gura has 1 thing and Biboo has everything else. Plus for concerts they auto-tune the bad singers anyway

>>101582889
We would only be so lucky.

>>101586447
She liked Ceci, Raora and was friendly to Liz when she appeared in her chat. I'm pretty sure she hated Gigi as much as she hated Biboo though.

>>101582858 (OP)
Whats her appeal anyway?

>>101586447
>She seemed to avoid Advent like the plague in general, but had no problem collabing with Justice before graduating
Gura was still fighting with management in 2023 when Advent debuted and Biboo was the new Hololive loli that was targeted at her viewers. Justice debuted after Gura had made the decision to quit so there was less reason to view them as competition.

>>101587436
>Advent had their chance to bond with their senpai through Minecraft, and they threw it away in favor of management.
Cover has caused most of the damage to HoloEN by model redesign fights that have been going on for years. There is a world of difference in the overall mood when Council debuted in 2021 versus the mood when Advent debuted in 2023. Cover really needed to quickly settle this in 2022 and the never ending contract fights have messed up the gen dynamics in the EN branch.

>>101588958
>Gura was still fighting with management in 2023
You mean management asking Gura to do her job and her saying "No" and getting drunk off her endless simp money?

>>101582889
if it's actually videos and not streams then i would kneel
i miss old vtubing

>>101588958
It has been almost 2 years, outfitschizo. You have to let it go, it's not healthy for you

>>101588781
People like crusty white women

These really are just bot threads, huh?

>>101582858 (OP)
Guess chumbuds were the numberfags all along

>>101582858 (OP)
That's a lot of soon to be dead subs, I'm almost impressed.

>>101582858 (OP)
500k? didn't she have like 4M subs?

>>101586106
>well its more that she collabed with pretty much everyone but beejoe
fuwamoco?
Erb?
Nerissa?
Shiori?

>>101582858 (OP)
how many streams a month

>>101590134
You think you're getting steams on a monthly basis?

>>101586325
I want to facefuck this tight little slut.

>>101589129
>It has been almost 2 years, outfitschizo.
Sana graduated in July 2022 and the last time Gura joined a holiday HoloEN collab was in December 2021. This started a long time ago but 2022 is when it got really bad. Also the wave of 7 graduations in Hololive shows that issues were festering behind the scenes even in the JP branch.

>>101582943
tpbp

>>101582858 (OP)
Holos predebut with a million. This is extremely low especially by Gura standards.

>>101582889
And still more entertaining than 99.99% of other Vtubers

>>101582943
Tpbp. This sums up pretty much every single one of her threads, outside of her general, at least 50% of the time.

>>101591612
Blud thinks it's still 2021

i like how you faggots call them "indie" vtubers despite all these ex-croperation vtubers being in the same click and entirerly dependant on that click and their previous incarnation. Nothing is independent about that

>>101582858 (OP)
Wow, it's another Saba bait thread. I wonder who's shitting up the catalog today?

>>101588451
kek

>>101582889
compared to what? reactslop for 15 hours a day?

>>101591612
half of justice doesn't have 500k the other two are barely over it, and it's been a year

>>101582858 (OP)
Oof I guess the dead subs thing was just cope

>>101582858 (OP)
Oh no she'll hit a million before the end of the year and get impostor syndrome again

>>101582858 (OP)
What happened to the other 3.5 million subs?

>Saba was a nothing burger after all
>Saba thread number 9000
Let the dogs bark, its a natural reaction to fear and/or intimidation

>>101582858 (OP)
a queen no more

>>101582858 (OP)
It's far from the fastest growth, which is strange.

>>101593998
t. holobrony out of his hugbox crying as he strikes you

Let's fucking go!!!!
She will love bomb us then ghost just like my ex, she is perfect!

>>101591612
None of them had a million subs pre-debut. Gura took 39 days from debut to 1M subs - the former world record (until Salome did it in 14 days) and still the Hololive, EN and Non-JP record.
Saba debuts on June 28. For her to beat her old record, she'll need to reach a million subs by August 6; to beat Salome, she'll need to reach a million subs by July 12. But in any case, I doubt she'd lose a wink of sleep if she didn't reach a million subs that quickly especially since a major factor was the covid lockdowns of 2020 and half the world population being forced to live the neet life

>>101586613
>most of the branch doesn't stream
>suddenly new gen
>they all actually do their employed jobs on a regular basis
>suddenly all the worst non streamers start graduating at lightspeed
>the worst non streamer first overlaps the new hires and then sof quits for a year before hard quitting
>releases a song about burning it all down on her way out
>only remaining members are the ones who do their jobs
I think I'm noticing something. unfortunanetly it ain't bootlicking.

>>101599122
most of the girls are low 4 views now, they were 5 views and high 4 views, indies are mogging them
hololive should have tried harder to keep all the graduates

>>101587677
She can stream unannounced and get those numbers, which is harder to do on Twitch.
Before Gura, 4 view was not bad.

>>101582858 (OP)
2 million views too

>>101599411
Having people who aren't shitty streamers is a better thing for a streaming company than carrying around a bunch of former streamers who got bigger numbers. Gura, Ame, and Mumei were dead weight for growth

>>101599122
6 mother fuckers can't cover a single fauna stream let alone a gura one lol. morale is in the gutter and only the bootlickers are left.

>>101602058
>people who aren't shitty streamers
You underestimate the extent to which the blue doritos brand has carried the EN members. EN5 aka ligger gen will be an eye-opening experience for you.

>>101582858 (OP)
I still don't believe this is not-Gura. You niggas have no prove and will never have prove until I see a cute vtuber talk

>>101602270
I mean, raora as an ex-ligma is at the top of her gen

>>101602270
The biggest part of being a streamer is actually fucking streaming, every Twitch streamer knows this. I know you're stuck in a bubble because this is a rising industry and all, but nothing can overcome the basic principles. If you stream a ton you will grow as long as something isn't very wrong with your setup. This isn't alchemy, this is business. A person who streams is a far better asset than someone who doesn't no matter the circumstances

>>101582858 (OP)
normie queen
asmongold of vtubers

>>101599122
>>101604791
Nerissa is literally one of the worst non-streamers of all. Even ERB who hasn't had a public YouTube stream in 3 weeks streams more than Nerissa.
Your narrative is stupid and the sad state of /ope/ (both of them) reflects my point. Truth is that if the difference actually has to do with streamers vs non-streamers then we still have lots of chaff to cut, but as you can see Hololive does not care about how much you stream - see people like Marine, Suisei, Kobo, etc.

>>101591796
She barely speaks in streams. She won't say anything for long minutes.. So no, honestly she isn't really a good streamer but she does sing very well

>>101582858 (OP)
I can't wait to see those faggots throw tons of money at her only to quit again soon after, give me a great show chumtards kek

>>101582889
Fpbp

>>101588451
>>101582889

I thought she did this move because she wanted less eyes on her.
Nothing's changed

>>101591176
Sure, that paragraph sounds right. Your insane obsession with lolishit that you keep projecting with is the problem.

>>101606944
That's not true she's over 4 mil subs down still.
And I don't see her getting back to that point either.

>>101591176
Yea the issue was that there were a bunch of lazy people in the company but that problem took care of itself

>>101606944
it's funny that she can quit her job due to all the pressure of a massive audience, just for the audience to simply follow her to her new job, intent to put that same pressure right back on her.

>>101607041
If anything the pressure will only get bigger, all the buds thinking that it was Holo who chained her down will now expect her to stream more now that she's 'free'

How does outfitschizo continue to think he has any argument after that last Saba teaser. That design is more lolicon fetish than any past Gura outfit.

>>101607039
Not really, there are still a bunch of lazy people in the company. The problem is still not fixed yet, resources are being wasted.

>>101592410
>i like how you faggots call them "indie" vtubers despite all these ex-croperation vtubers being in the same click and entirerly dependant on that click and their previous incarnation. Nothing is independent about that

They have to handle their own merch, branding, resources, etc.
That's as independent as it gets, anon. Even if they're friends, they're under no obligation to work together or support each other financially.

For example, Doki and Mint tend to take the day off when Dooby or Nimi does a special stream, but even if they stream on the same day they don't necessarily raid.

Doki has a large and efficient merch distributor right now (gamersupps), but Mint uses other merch websites like uwumarket or moso, and Nimi has her own thing.

They're all separate brands with completely separate careers. They're independent

>>101607111
All the foundations they sit on are Corpo built though.

>>101607041
Except she never said that. Gura has always been a strong, independent woman who is 2-3 steps ahead. Although it's very normal to feel anxious when suddenly faced with a large audience, her attitude and what kind of person she is stayed the same.
It's funny that initially Gura was accused of having a secret manager and that people did not believe she handled all the Saba debut preparations herself, a bunch of newfags.

>>101607171
So? All a corpo does is give you eyes. If you're a terrible streamer, people won't follow you and they won't care who you are. Aster is my go-to example. Dude had nearly 90,000 ccv on his debut. He was the biggest debut Nijisanji EN has ever had. Then in 2024-2025 he was lucky if he hit 150-200 ccv because he's so dogshit at streaming. Quinn's story is just as bad.

If you're not backed by a company, your only realistic option for growth is to suck up to bigger streamers and pray their audience latches onto you. It's how everyone else grew, barring very few exceptions like Vedal.

>>101607378
lol vedal was a massive leech

>>101592835
Saba's streams will be reactslop, now that she's free from Cover's perms autism

>>101607312
>Hallucinations

>>101607525
And the buds, or whatever variation they'll be called by that time will happily slurp it all up.

>>101607525
Hey, if that's what it takes for more than 2 streams a year, bring it on.

>>101598993
Interesting you state that gura only got to 1mil as fast as she did because of covid, but isnt that bunk when someone else did it 3x as fast after her? Especially because gura appealed to both japan and overseas while salome only appealed to jps which are notoriously less willing to sub. Gura also went much much much more viral than salome did at the start, you could not turn your head without seeing her somewhere
I really think that covid had a negligible effect on sub numbers even if it might have boosted ccv

Bigger numbers won’t make her stream

>>101607585
yes, and? Why does that fact make you so mad? No matter how "bad" you might think the content is, you know it beats shitposting about vtubers on 4ch like you are doing right now, right? I don't think you are really qualified to determine what is a good hobby or not kek

>>101608191
They will make her stream less if history has anything to say.

>>101608217
>yes I am retarded, but you're on 4chan so I win
see how retarded you are?

>>101608217
>Zero denial

>>101607552
yes, your claim that she quit because of the large audience is

>>101582858 (OP)
It's not too late to make minor alterations to the design. Just change her hair to white and remove the cat ears.

>>101607312
>Except she never said that

She said it was "terrifying" during an interview with kiara just before she left. It was likely a factor.

How is this still getting necrod 15hrs in? Do you fuckers have nothing else to do besides making Saba threads?

>>101602080
why you gotta include holostars? we already know theyre not going anywhere.

>>101605612
nerissa is in japan eating holopussy every day with gigi, shes too busy to stream.

>>101608977
I think you should learn about critical thinking. It was frightening at first, yes, but once she got over it, she was one of the top talents, only held back by management. I will never understand why people struggle to accept that reflecting on your first day at work (muh anxiety blah blah blah) is a normal part of giving a graduation speech.

Saba, Dooby, Nimi...meh just not hitting for me.

I like their Holo selves better.

Will she stream more this time around

>>101592835
>The girl that complained about not being allowed to do reactslop while being in Hololive will not do reactslop
DYRBI?

>>101608217
Wow nice argument...

However, you are white knighting for slop consumers while posting on 4chan, which makes you even more pathetic than the shitposter on 4chan

>>101585651
>Before Advent debuted Gura hadn't been streaming for months.
>Advent has a loli announced in their group.
>Feeling 'threatened' that she'll lose all her beloved piggy banks to an upstart loli she (Gura) comes out of ghosting her fanbase and starts streaming again.
>She (Gura) said the reason she started streaming again was because she was 'inspired' by Fuwamoco despite she (Gura) fucking off for months after that tweet.
>Retards will say that Gura streaming over Biboo was just a 'coincidince' and that she (Gura) was just streaming at her usual timeslot (despite not owning it and not streaming for months). Retards will ALSO say that it was Biboo's fault that she (Biboo) streamed on Gura's timeslot despite that she (Gura) hadn't streamed in months.
>Retards will also say that Gura was overlapping Nerissa despite there being a screenshot showing that Gura was streaming for long hours just so she could overlap Biboo. Gura HAS been known to stream for severely long hours in the past but not often and the only reason she did it was to cripple Biboo.
Basically Gura didn't like sharing her 'loli gimmick' with an upstart. As soon as she cripple Biboo she went back to ghosting her fans.

>>101586447
Because Advent had a loli in their group whereas Justice did not.
>But gigi.
Isn't a loli. If she were Gura would have avoided Justice like the plague.

>>101582858 (OP)
Here's another way to look at it.

She had like 4.75m subs. Which means out of those, only 500k have followed her and found her again. Given how EVERYONE knows about it and Nimi, Dooby, Ironmouse, Mint etc. all talked about it and tweeted about it and even Reddit and Twitter and everyone is aware of this, there's no excuses for any actual fan to not follow her.

What I'm saying is that it means only about 11% of all her subs were actually alive, the rest is all deadsubs from people who don't care.

>>101582858 (OP)
>not even 25% of her old sub count
talk about falling off

more deadsubs

>>101608740
>>101608768
>>101609491
>THIS IS SLOP CONTENT ONLY RETARDS WATCH THIS
>posts in 4ch
if your entire argument is that something is bad because its bad you can't be mad that people point out how retarded you are
>No, I'm an intellectual I don't watch reactslop (that we don't even know yet if she'll do regularly or not) instead I, the intellectual, waste my life shitposting on the most useless pathetic threads in existence

>>101609861
I'm just waiting for her debut to sub.

>>101582858 (OP)
nice, just missing the other 4million subs now

>>101610132
and the streams!

>>101606982
Yup she's never getting those numbers. again.

>>101587250
>Biboo does everything Gura did better
you can't be this delusional, they don't even do the same thing you retard

>>101610698
indeed, biboo actually streams

>>101610075
>Defending reactslop
Gura's pussy will be full of her husband's semen and you cucks will happily slurp it up that husband? Me.

>>101607041
>put that same pressure right back on her
She doesn't have the pressure of representing a company though.

>>101609266
they're the same people acting literally the same, with very similar models

>>101610727
>defending reactslop
Where?
Saying that wasting your life posting on 4ch is as bad as reactslop is not defending it, its just pointing out how retarded it is to do one to complain about the other
You are not in a position to say that reactslop is brainrot when you are posting about virtual egirls on 4ch, brother the whole hobby is brainrot stop acting superior, you just look clueless instead

>>101609861
Wouldn't this be the case for most older channels? I'm subscribed to channels I haven't seen a video from for 10 years, I think most people don't really unsubscribe from channels when they lose interest.

>>101607068
>That design is more lolicon fetish than any past Gura outfit.
The Saba loli design is cute but the big question is whether she will pedobait by retweeting sleazy fan art or releasing merch like the Gura daki. If she doesn't than it will be obvious why she was furious enough to leave Hololive.

>>101582889
And those five videos will be far more entertaining and exciting than anything else on the market. Yagoo will be begging her to return.

>>101588781
She's the greatest vtuber to have graced us. If you can't see that, I feel sorry for you.

>>101588451
>It's just react content
>"Let's see, oh this creator is popular with Vtubers...Shoe...on... head?"

>>101610075
Brother, you are posting on 4chan and defending react slop, please pick a struggle

>>101612361
>dude trust me
you can do better than that

>>101612135
you tourists are so fucking retarded and clueless, dont you ever feel embarrassed at blathering on complete nonsense all the time?

Kind of underwhelming desu, I expected more, shes not getting back to 2 million any time soon, let alone 4

i already know shes going to stream twice then go on a 6 month hiatus. she is by far the most abusive towards her fanbase vtuber. i really hope when she does it again people wake the fuck up and stop giving her money. she makes earning money from vtubing look easy. at the same time i really hope im wrong and shes back for the long haul.

>>101612271
I think you're being a bit disingenuous.

>>101612696
tbf subs don't matter that much, what matters is CCV and total views
Gura had 4M subs but that didn't transform into 4M views on vods

>>101582858 (OP)
I will only kneel if she buys the Pompeii rights and makes it her first official cover.

>>101592410
At least learn the difference between "clique" and "click" before spewing your nonsense.

>>101612641
Cover was able to twist arms to get Chloe and Ame to release their dakis as graduation merch. No matter how often coomers make the claim that Gura was fighting management to release a pedobait daki that doesn't make sense when Gura absolutely refused to rerelease her daki. Actions speak louder than words and it's obvious that Gura, and Shion, actually hated their dakis.

>>101612414
it would be so kino

>>101615507
if she hated pedo pandering so much she wouldn't be redebuting as a loli

>>101588958
Outfitschizo still going strong, even after the Kronii heel turn. Good to see.

>>101582889
fippy bippy

>>101609043
I'm necroing it just to spite you now.

>>101609043
Bumperoo

>>101582858 (OP)
what if it turns out it isnt actually gura but just some literally who with an unfortunate coincidence

>>101582943
thread should have ended here

>>101619987
But it wont. I will make sure of that…

>>101588451
Yeah, of the XCQ variety.
Also known as "Chair reaction videos"

>>101582858 (OP)
>>Pre debut. Over 500k...
so 4m were deadsubs? dang.

>>101617845
>>101618751

>>101582858 (OP)
Day 1 million is pretty much a guarantee now isn't it?

>>101622261
Wait until you see what everyone else has.

500k people that have to legally inform their neighbors about their special feelings for children. The other 4.2 mil are in hiding for some reason.

>>101612719
Quality, not quantity. Sorry you can't grasp a simple concept.

>>101612511
You don't have to take my word for it
https://www.youtube.com/@GawrGura/streams

Saba's gonna be a catshark girl, right?

>>101582858 (OP)
Let's wait for the ccv

>>101631761
HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

>>101622261
you have to ask hololive where their inflated numbers come from

Oh hey, Saba seems quite likely to be another shark-type vtuber, and the coloration shown in the teaser is kinda close to that of a catshark.

Catsharks frequently have spots, so do you reckon Saba gonna have cute freckles?

>>101582889
optimistic, aren't you

>>101615878
>if she hated pedo pandering so much she wouldn't be redebuting as a loli
Gura is really good at being a loli vtuber and it was almost guaranteed that she would have a loli model. Still acting like a cute anime girl is completely different than having to sell a pedobait daki to horny coomers and she absolutely hated Cover for the sleazier marketing they did in later years. Sameko Saba feels more innocent in terms of the logo, the video teasers, and the Kemono Friends style design.

Ash Again wasn't only relating to an internal struggle but the struggle between her and Hololive since they were pushing Gura in a sexual direction to increase merch sales. Saba won't be able to control fan art but she now has total control over her social media and the type of merch that is sold. We are going to find out in the next few months what type of vtuber she really wanted to be now that she is an indie.

>>101635116
>pushing Gura in a sexual direction
got examples?

>>101607091
>resources are being wasted.
When Gura was the top seller, consistently breaking records with her merch and events, where was that resource going to?

>>101630250
the ears are pointy like Fubuki. Seems like a Foxfish.

>>101635116
that's a minor, not gura has always and will always be a degen and will continue to exploit those traits.

>>101582858 (OP)
people who are still following are deranged.

>>101635220
Gura wasn't saying that her daki had chubby baby arms and a low shirt because she was okay with that daki. She never agreed to a second daki and never did a rerelease of the daki even for her graduation merch. The sleazier art retweets felt greedy and corporate. Christmas 2021 was the last HoloEN holiday collab that Gura ever joined and since than there was something going on with management.

>>101635116
>Still acting like a cute anime girl is completely different than having to sell a pedobait daki to horny coomers and she absolutely hated Cover for the sleazier marketing they did in later years

>>101582943
You forgot Sweden

>>101638409
Also sucky sucky Lucio and I love chocolate and vanilla makes me dry heave

>>101637642
Yeah true, they do look somewhat more like fox ears than cat ears. We'll see.

hololive will implode tomorrow

>>101637864
Now that she an indie vtuber do you think that Saba will ever release a daki? I don't and coomers like to say that she fought to release a daki but she never did a rerelease of the daki even for her graduation merch. The way things are looking with Saba it's obvious why she hated Cover.

you guys gotta stop giving (You)s to outfitschizo, is logic is clouded by personal bias

>>101638643
I can legit see her releasing a Daki as part of her debut merch.

>>101638643
She's already doing merch collabs, I expect her to moneymaxx and never stream

>>101637842
when did she say that?

>>101639438
https://youtu.be/yp2wvsYGSyQ?t=2393
>chubby baby arms
https://youtu.be/yp2wvsYGSyQ?t=2513
>mentioned to viewers how low her shirt is on the daki art
https://youtu.be/yp2wvsYGSyQ?t=3700
>was embarrassed while discretely calling the daki yabe

>>101582889
More than we deserve

>>101639726
she doesn't seem that bothered by it, I personally think it's worse that it doesn't look like her or suit her character, it's just generic moeslop

>>101582948
Shes just like me expect talented

>>101588529
>Blasting-ACK
>Never happened
What's wrong spamsis ? I thought you said those were dead subs Kekaroo

>>101588013
We are not talking about nijiwhores, anon