Thread 101600071 - /vt/ [Archived: 862 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/26/2025, 4:45:05 AM No.101600071
GuKJoBRXMAAwJ0C
GuKJoBRXMAAwJ0C
md5: af6553d6788815b066c396fc14a620ae🔍
fish vtuber has cat ears, please make it make sense.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 4:47:36 AM No.101600143
>>101600071 (OP)
She is a mutt child. Mixed species abomination.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 4:48:34 AM No.101600176
>>101600143
White girls and dogs man
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 4:49:25 AM No.101600206
>>101600143
Fpbp
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 4:49:32 AM No.101600213
channels4_profile
channels4_profile
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>>101600071 (OP)
because fish ears are ugly as fuck
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 4:54:37 AM No.101600366
>>101600071 (OP)
GAU GAU
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:05:37 AM No.101600675
1744250362299718
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>>101600071 (OP)
>make it make sense
nyo
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:06:52 AM No.101600715
>>101600071 (OP)
Niggers never heard of a catfish before
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:11:08 AM No.101600892
>>101600071 (OP)
It doesn't have to make sense. She's cute.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:20:00 AM No.101601195
maxresdefault
maxresdefault
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>>101600071 (OP)
Replies: >>101619915
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:25:06 AM No.101601366
dorito
dorito
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>>101600071 (OP)
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:28:53 AM No.101601487
>>101600071 (OP)
The ear size a bit too big, it look kinda like a fox
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:16:05 AM No.101604479
>>101600213
Fish ears just make me think of Ragnarok Online, so it's pretty nostalgic. I don't know why they make them ugly.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:16:56 AM No.101604499
>>101600071 (OP)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catfish
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:52:51 AM No.101605368
Shirakami-Fubuki_pr-img_09
Shirakami-Fubuki_pr-img_09
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well see anon when a shark and a futa catgirl love etc other very much they do the deed and saba was born ... that's right anon Shirakami Fubuki is the father
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:08:59 AM No.101605672
>>101600071 (OP)
catfish
fishcat
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:13:27 AM No.101605738
>>101605368
Fubuki's not a cat she's fren
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 9:14:13 AM No.101606785
>>101600213
SOVL

>>101600071 (OP)
Soulless
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 12:01:35 PM No.101608982
Ummm…. Catfish?? DUH
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 1:02:39 PM No.101609710
>>101600071 (OP)
>i want to be everything
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 2:18:18 PM No.101610695
>>101609710
No, that's Shiori lol
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 2:19:55 PM No.101610720
images
images
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>>101600071 (OP)
>>101606785
>>101609710
i can't believe catshark is still making people seethe in 2025
She really is the most powerful vtuber ever
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 2:20:04 PM No.101610722
catfish f-100
catfish f-100
md5: 729095de923d75ff0cc82159a2f18878🔍
>>101600071 (OP)
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 2:21:49 PM No.101610742
>>101600071 (OP)
so they ripped gura face n tail but changed the hair + cat ears
also stop simping for egirls
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 2:22:42 PM No.101610759
>>101610695
>shiori = cat, witch, archiver, eats memories, unlimited knowledge, has a cat yakuza, lives in a castle in an alternate dimension, tries to be an lovecraft abomination but doesn't make sense, most retarded "lore" ever
and you holofags say being a cat fish is too much lol
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 2:23:31 PM No.101610772
kitkallos
kitkallos
md5: 0e3295669dbb3f8bd720b7d0e4063f13🔍
>>101600213
Faggot
Replies: >>101614901
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 2:27:42 PM No.101610836
>>101610759
you forgot that shiori is a detective, too lmao
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 2:28:57 PM No.101610864
>>101600071 (OP)
AI slop design.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 2:30:18 PM No.101610893
>>101600071 (OP)
it's called a catfish
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 2:32:39 PM No.101610938
>>101600143
look at my cute mutt wife
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 2:35:34 PM No.101610990
>>101610864
You fags will complain about anything unless it has the blue dorito logo stamped on it
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 2:37:06 PM No.101611009
>>101600071 (OP)
Because she's a catfish, which is peak humour to her underage audience.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:17:25 PM No.101613905
>>101610938
fish wife
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:19:18 PM No.101613952
>>101610938
>>101613905
She's not your wife though
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:24:17 PM No.101614069
>>101613952
yeah because shes mine
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:25:22 PM No.101614090
>>101610759
Is this what they mean by gap moe?
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:31:41 PM No.101614229
>>101614090
gap moe doesn't mean a ton of stuff cobbled together in an ai-generator. gap moe would be like a tomboy who likes baking
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:32:42 PM No.101614254
>>101614229
basically two contradictory traits that make someone more cute, because it's unexpected
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:33:51 PM No.101614281
>>101613952
She's my waifu for laifu
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:42:15 PM No.101614493
>>101614090
you do not know what gap moe means, retard
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:46:02 PM No.101614590
>>101610759
many of the new girls, like shiori, are failures, because cover doesn't understand anime or character writing or what people are looking for in vtubers
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:50:55 PM No.101614716
>>101600071 (OP)
One of the reasons why Gura was so popular was due to her simplicity, from a design perspective.
If she wanted to be a cat why not just make an entire cat persona?
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:54:57 PM No.101614821
file
file
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>>101600071 (OP)
feesh
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:55:57 PM No.101614849
1735794314019230
1735794314019230
md5: 3831313334fe8d42c2c567f4688af3a4🔍
>>101600071 (OP)
Shylily is an orca cat hybrid.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:57:59 PM No.101614898
>>101600715
>>101604499
>>101605672
>>101608982
>>101610893
>>101611009
But she's meant to be a mackerel, not a catfish.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 5:58:03 PM No.101614901
>>101610772
>mindbreaks toiler paper fags for years
>even with most of her cards banned, the mere mention of her name makes TroonCG fags shit their pants
How does SHE do it?
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 6:10:41 PM No.101615298
>>101600071 (OP)
catfish
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 6:11:42 PM No.101615328
>>101614898
yeah she's catfishing you
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 6:12:55 PM No.101615369
>>101614849
shylily is cool but that is so fucking dumb
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 6:29:26 PM No.101615891
>>101614849
The cat elements are very light on her and mesh well with her orca elements, compared to Saba's more noticeable cat ears.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 6:34:51 PM No.101616069
>>101600071 (OP)
It's just too random.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 6:37:08 PM No.101616132
>>101614821
sakana easter egg
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 6:54:36 PM No.101616559
catshark to foxfish

easy swap
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 6:56:25 PM No.101616607
1720004664705363
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>>101605738
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 6:57:35 PM No.101616638
>>101614849
b-b-but it's OK when other people do it, kek retards, trying to assassinate Sara's image won't work
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:06:54 PM No.101616919
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>>101600071 (OP)
People dunking on this horrible design with humble her. Keep in mind Gura thinks about people's criticisms all the time (and they say...and they say..and they say, repeated 50x) All she ever thinks about is what people think of her. And she'll get served a humble pie for this Sama bullshit.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:36:38 PM No.101617762
>>101616919
I doubt she cares, if she cared about being popular, then she would have stayed with hololive. I think saba is something she is doing for herself
Replies: >>101617871
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:39:39 PM No.101617856
>>101616919
Are people from other spaces as negative about her new design as some of us? I don't see much complaints from the general audience, unless I'm missing out.
Replies: >>101618350
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:40:05 PM No.101617871
>>101617762
>I doubt she cares
>Gura: "And they all say...and they all say..and they all say...and they all say...and they all say..."
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 7:44:04 PM No.101617970
>>101601366
Me on the bottom left, unironically
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:01:05 PM No.101618350
>>101617856
People only care when they can post anonymously because they are bad faith actors that are angry that she's making Hololive look bad, but she is doing what makes her happy, so real fans only care about that
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:11:21 PM No.101618629
I keep trying to like the new design but it's just so bad, sorry gooba
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:13:55 PM No.101618687
>>101618629
Another fake fan, nice acting tho
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:14:55 PM No.101618712
>>101618350
I'm not that ill-intended, anon.
I simply don't like that design.
Replies: >>101618781
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:17:19 PM No.101618781
>>101618712
With all of the people using it to dunk on her, you could just be pretending, too. The design is fine, just an anime girl with twintails
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:33:15 PM No.101619288
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>>101600071 (OP)
kind gives off michiru from grisaia vibes :)
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:33:42 PM No.101619305
>>101600071 (OP)
shes a catfish
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:34:17 PM No.101619328
>>101619288
*kinda
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:45:44 PM No.101619689
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>>101614901
TCG fags want to see the strongest decks killed off instead of weakened, for some reason
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:52:38 PM No.101619915
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>>101600071 (OP)
Downgrade

>>101601195
>>101601366
Was always her cringiest model

>>101610720
Grieving isn't seething, it's sobbing...
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:54:10 PM No.101619975
>>101619915
Fake chumbuds are so obvious
Replies: >>101620152
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:55:22 PM No.101620015
>>101614849
Using the whoreca to justify Saba is a disservice to Saba, you've made it so much worse.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 8:56:43 PM No.101620049
>>101619915
This is probably the seething ex-manager that she had problems with, can you be any more transparent, no one is buying your fake fan gambit?
Replies: >>101620245
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 9:00:04 PM No.101620152
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>>101619975
I've been a chumbud since before /vt/ was even made, dummy. I was subbed to Sen even before that and was drawn in by her familiar voice. I am the most qualified anon ITT on whether the new model is good or not. It sucks but it's still Sen underneath.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 9:02:35 PM No.101620245
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1601078165695
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>>101620049
Days without /vt/ tinfoiling absolute schizocrack: 0
I miss the comfy /jp/ threads, better times.
Replies: >>101620339
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 9:03:55 PM No.101620282
>>101620152
>I know her PL and use a Gura picture, trust my authority
You're dumb if an anonymous post makes you credible as a fan
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 9:04:53 PM No.101620315
>>101620282
Do you have autism?
Replies: >>101620375
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 9:05:40 PM No.101620339
>>101620245
I miss when Hololive was actually fun to watch, hopefully Saba will be happier and feel more comfortable streaming in the future
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 9:06:41 PM No.101620375
>>101620315
Autistic for saying you fail the credibility test? that's you, my bro...
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 9:22:39 PM No.101620876
>>101600071 (OP)
I'll wait until I see her model fully but for now I'm not a fan.
Replies: >>101633807
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:41:12 PM No.101625164
>>101600071 (OP)
She's obviously a catfish.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 11:43:36 PM No.101625241
>>101620152
nta but youre obviously falseflagging
get a better hobby
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 1:37:35 AM No.101629071
>>101600071 (OP)
it's like that bit in nhk where they make a girl with all of the moe tropes combined and it's a horrifying abomination
Replies: >>101630118
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 2:09:37 AM No.101630118
>>101629071
it's undeniably cute, you're just being a bad faith actor
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 2:39:23 AM No.101631045
>>101614716
Cat shark combination is more unique and the design is cute. Most of the complaints are from Cover bootlickers attempting to damage control the fact that so many talents are leaving Hololive. They don't want Saba to be successful because that would damage the Hololive business model.
Replies: >>101631740
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 3:04:04 AM No.101631740
>>101631045
To be honest, I am emotionally attached to Gooba's shark model, yeah, but Saba's has more things that I aesthetically love in anime designs: blonde, cat ears, twintails, and a sailor dress. It honestly looks like a design out of Kantai Collection, and I love that game franchise :3
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 3:06:19 AM No.101631813
I like a few talents left in Hololive, but I anti the company because the fans are horrible and they breed bad fan culture, and almost encourage their fans to attack the competition or indies
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 3:54:04 AM No.101633328
>>101600071 (OP)
cute is justice
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 3:57:13 AM No.101633443
>>101609710
i wanna be everywhere
i wanna fuck everyone in holo
i wanna do something that matters
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 3:57:29 AM No.101633451
>>101600071 (OP)
>cats eat fish
>you are what you eat
>cats = fish
Replies: >>101641691
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 4:07:48 AM No.101633807
>>101620876
yeah this, i truly just think it's not gonna have half the conceptual finesse that gooba did. that design was so fucking good and recognisable purely on an artistic basis, not even factoring in how wicked cute it was. i don't anticipate that saba's frankenmoe approach is gonna wind up being quite as readable or just good. which is disappointing, because i fucking love little blonde catgirls, and am holding out hope that i'll be wooed by the real deal model on this basis
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 4:21:26 AM No.101634199
>>101600071 (OP)
it doesn't have to make sense, she's a fucking cartoon, anon.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 4:24:08 AM No.101634281
>>101600071 (OP)
thats not a fish or a cat anon.. that's a child
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 4:26:50 AM No.101634375
>>101600213
would have been so fucking funny if she stole finana's niche and mogged her to oblivion
Replies: >>101641664 >>101641729
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 4:27:33 AM No.101634397
>>101600071 (OP)
I feel bad for Saba. I hope she can live a peaceful life despite it all
Replies: >>101634595
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 4:34:04 AM No.101634595
>>101634397
Despite what? Having millions of adoring fans and millions of dollars in her bank account? Having family who not only is alive but care about her?
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 4:36:16 AM No.101634655
>>101600071 (OP)
Her design is ugly.
Replies: >>101636206
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 5:19:21 AM No.101636092
>>101600071 (OP)
>took six absolute garbage replies before someone finally said "she's a catfish"
I hate this fucking board
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 5:23:32 AM No.101636206
>>101634655
She is cute as fuck and you will keep seething, Holodrone
Replies: >>101636796 >>101637850
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 5:24:37 AM No.101636239
Sure, suddenly you faggots care about logic when it comes to the desing of fucking anime girls. Holy fuck it must make you so fucking mad that Saba will make history as the worlds strongest Indie of all time. lmaoooo
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 5:37:50 AM No.101636675
>>101616919
Chumbuds will flood her with praises, like they did with the 2.0 model.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 5:41:22 AM No.101636796
>>101636206
>holo out of nowhere
rent free
Replies: >>101637699
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 6:00:40 AM No.101637409
>>101600071 (OP)
>catfish
she's totally going to stream often this time, for sure
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 6:10:37 AM No.101637699
>>101636796
OUT OF NOWHERE? Are you fucking retarded?
Replies: >>101644962
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 6:15:41 AM No.101637850
>>101636206
Retard
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 6:19:27 AM No.101637984
I haven't seen too many fish tubers that aren't part cat desu
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 6:34:20 AM No.101638382
>>101600071 (OP)
look at my cute catfish wife
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 8:00:56 AM No.101640583
>>101600071 (OP)
but she's cute like that
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 8:03:58 AM No.101640653
>>101600071 (OP)
One more day and we'll get so much BBC porn lets fucking goooo. On a serious note I wonder if we'll have anymore design suprises, especially with her face.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 8:46:55 AM No.101641664
>>101634375
No one can ever replace Finana, she is her own thing :)
Saba and her have different personalities and fans <3
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 8:48:06 AM No.101641691
>>101633451
she is a genius!
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 8:49:47 AM No.101641729
>>101634375
why are holofags so fucking hateful, you make the entire fanbase look like a cesspool
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 8:54:51 AM No.101641826
>>101616919
>All she ever thinks about is what people think of her
and she still didn't stream?
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 9:03:33 AM No.101642002
>>101616919
>horrible design
Have you considered thinking for yourself rather than getting your opinions from brown people on /vt/
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 9:14:47 AM No.101642199
>>101641826
The hate she receives makes her too depressed to stream.
Replies: >>101642580
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 9:22:55 AM No.101642351
__nimi_nightmare_and_sameko_saba_pokemon_and_1_more_drawn_by_scanling__sample-5ed9d92e7d530cc2398b83481cef9178
>>101642002
but then he wouldn't be a drama fag anymore and that would destroy his existence
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 9:34:04 AM No.101642580
>>101642199
I will sexually bully and ryona this fish and make her even more depressed T u T
Replies: >>101642737
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 9:43:57 AM No.101642737
__sameko_saba_indie_virtual_youtuber_drawn_by_hikari_the_witch__sample-191dc1c8d51b558b4639d07d70a2cae1
>>101642580
she will bully you anon
Replies: >>101643308
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 9:45:38 AM No.101642769
>>101600071 (OP)
>white woman
>jp name
Replies: >>101643328
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 9:53:37 AM No.101642909
1938504897357348864
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md5: d21aa4b73cd1159f571003276dd684d3🔍
>>101600071 (OP)
Replies: >>101644977
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 10:15:16 AM No.101643308
>>101642737
>Gura redebuts every five years and says a new letter of the alphabet on every debut
In the year 2145 she will finally get to Z
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 10:16:17 AM No.101643328
>>101642769
I see there are still some things you don't know.
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 11:27:24 AM No.101644382
>>101600071 (OP)
>>101600071 (OP)
>>101600071 (OP)
The fact that no one was honest to Gura and warned her "hey bish this design is boring and shit". Means she really has no true friends. Sad.
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 11:40:34 AM No.101644558
>>101644382
Your bait design is boring and shit
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 11:59:56 AM No.101644796
>>101644382
Why do so many people think it looks good then?
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:12:26 PM No.101644938
>>101644796
Because they're chumbuds who think anything that's hers is good by default
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:14:06 PM No.101644962
>>101637699
ogey phasecuck
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:15:35 PM No.101644977
>>101642909
>Saba is an AI-generated freak of nature
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:20:14 PM No.101645024
so much holofaggots babbling anti nonsense in this thread

you can smell the corpo bootlicker fear
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Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:21:54 PM No.101645046
>>101645024
>you have to like someone
>you have to
beggar please
Anonymous
6/27/2025, 12:28:48 PM No.101645134
>>101600071 (OP)
Is it possible to breed a predator (cat) and a prey (fish) together?