Thread 101701692

91 - Holy Edition

>What is /asp/?
/asp/ is a thread for Vtubers to give and receive advice related to Vtubing.

>Should I stream on Twitch or YouTube?
Most people would recommend against streaming on YouTube if you don't have an established subscriber base for making videos.

>Is there an audience for X?
Would you watch someone do X?
Is someone already doing X?

>What video editor should I use for editing clips?
DaVinci Resolve, Kdenlive, & CapCut if you don't feel like spending money or pirating; otherwise, use Vegas Pro or Premiere.

>I have a question, is it okay to ask? Will I get real feedback?
Ask away! If no one responds, try asking again at a later time.

>I see the rentry! How do I join?
Just DM boop147 on discord to join! Is an opt-in and you can always request to be removed later on!

Open company auditions:
Brave: https://bravegroup.co.jp/audition_en/
Hololive (Open indefinitely): https://audition.hololivepro.com/en
Niji (Open indefinitely): https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1780415989332816307
Also, hololist with other minor agencies opening auditions: https://hololist.net/news/tag/audition/

Useful links:
General: https://pastebin.com/AJLkFrGK
What to avoid: https://pastebin.com/vbp6qEdt
Op-Sec: https://mauthedoog.medium.com/21-privacy-tips-vtubers-need-to-know-ce93082cd166
Common Trolling techniques in /here/: https://pastebin.com/24DaTTvm
/ASP/list: https://rentry.co/asplivelist
Tierlist: https://tiermaker.com/create/-asp-iring-vtubers-18301794
Recurrent Vtuber Questions: https://pastebin.com/UXYkrALE

Previous Thread: >>101666810

>>101701692 (OP)
Ex /asp/ie debut
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYVEIX7nSEs

https://www.twitch.tv/harumizukich

Haru's 24hr+ stream is still going! There's no way he's finishing any time soon

>>101696787
The main topic would be unconventional media that I would like to see adapted into video games. Talk about things like poems, music, historical documents etc, and formulate a game based off of the material.

How do you plan to compete with someone like Sameko Saba?
No, you can't "just stream more". A hundred low-2view streams isn't going to beat out the occasional 4-5view stream.

>>101703457
How about I embed my views up to 4view and stream every single day?

Remember to shill yourself on alternatives like /vyt/ or holotower as 4chan is going down right now!

>>101701692 (OP)
love me ant andy

>>101702061
She got more follows and memberships in 15 minutes than I ever will if I do this 15 years

>>101703457
be entertaining, have a good voice, network, have a cunny model, have tons of industry contacts

>>101703457
You don't have to try to compete with the best of the best in a specific field to belong in that field. There is space for everyone, just do your best.

>>101703457
There's no competing with her. It's like trying to find the Halo Killer. It can't be done. The only thing that killed Halo was it's own developers. That said I feel bad for anyone trying to stream during this that isn't reacting to it.

>juice rebrands as a search engine mascot
>makes short about old internet history
>calls its “search history”

Fuck it’s genius why didn’t I think of that…

>>101704949
Couldn't have said it better

>>101703244
well it depends on if you can make it entretaining, if its a video, it has to be snappy, lots of visuals, no dead silence.

>>101704813
>be entertaining
irrelevant if you're female.
>have a good voice
>network
>have a cunny model
all true
>have tons of industry contacts
The most important one of all. If you don't have any connections, you might as well put your foolish ambitions to rest or just cheat your way to the top like everyone else has

>>101705078
>devs spend years trying to find a weapon to surpass halo
>343 kills it
it was an inside job

>>101705187
>irrelevant if you're female.
not if you want to be gura's level, plenty of 3vies are talentless whores that do nothing but react slop but that won't grow you higher unless you have insane networking skills like ironlung

>>101705364
>ironlung
I hate you
I laughed, but I still hate you

>>101703457
Only retards try to compete with other established talent.

>>101705127
Obviously the video will have lots of visusls. Otherwise it's just a glorified podcast.

>>101705364
nta but how does networking even help outside of "Oh I'm friends with a /lig/ chuuba isn't that neat?"

>>101706223
if you don't know then you are 100% ngmi

>>101706223
>collab with big ligger
>big ligger promotes your shit
>other big liggers see your shit
>????
>profit

It couldn’t be more shrimple

>>101706350
I am not a clever person.

>>101706453
You’d probably get called out for being a clout chaser by other guilty clout chasers

>>101705576
are you male or female? thats also important if people will click it or not here

>>101706570
By that logic artists that make art of their oshis are clout chasers that do it solely for fame and not because they want to be the change they want to see

>>101706453
people make friends
friends help each other
how do you think people get jobs?

>>101706732
Hey I’m not saying it’s not dumb, I’m just noticing it a lot more after offkai a few orbiters around some liggers were posting about how bad social climbing is and we can tell when you do it etc etc

don't collab with bigger tubers, everyone will call you a grifter and a shill and a leech and whatever else
stick to being a 0 view forever, never grow, never make it

>>101706223
NTA, but let me explain...
In the grand scheme of things, you see, the one where all things are interconnected, being friends with someone, making connections with someone else who might have a different audience than you is a FUNDAMENTAL PART of the creation of content itself; allowing yourself to be friends with otehr people allows you to have access to multiple things, all of these based on what this other party might be capable of contributing to your development. You befriend a person with a very chill personality who can mix and match with a lot of other people? You now have access also to their audience, you can continuously participate in things with them and gain rapport with said audience, then it becomes a matter of having something capable of sounding interesting to people who are not even there for you, but still have to deal with you in order to gain their attention and potential support in your strivings. You befriend someone with a huge share of the market of viewers? You now have access to a new channel in which your things, as long as this partner of yours assists on it, get even more diversified and shared than before for all the potential viewers who might catch a glimpse of their interest on you (and as one of the prime examples, you don't even need to look outside of this thread, just see >>101703627, and how because they networked with one another this smaller vtuber now gets a wider audience to pay attention to them, and to even discover what they have to offer)
It's all a matter of just having another tool for getting to even further places, if you don't even have a goal or something to mention to others as a proper concept that might be shared with people. you shouldn't be paying attention to the act of merely networking for the sake of it; even the people who are "empty personalities" have something solid enough for them to be capable of having reached where they are (see >>101705364, and how this person is angry about ironmouse without even considering all of her branding, reducing her to someone who is just good at networking without considering that she also is very consistent, very capable of retaining audiences for long periods of time, possessor of a lot of connections that allows her to always be doing something interesting and not just repeating content over and over. We can stay on this point, but you might also start to get what I mean, so we shall move from it)
And, in the real world itself, most of the things are about networking; knowing someone who might be interested in having what you offer, knowing someone who you can offer what you have because it might interest them, knowing someone who can allow you to offer to others what you have... it's all a game of connections, neglecting networking is neglecting your own success, even!

>>101706593
Male. I thought that would be obvious given how we got to the topic of alternate avenues of content creation in the previous thread.

>>101705094
shit that is good

>>101707519
well a good chunk of people wont watch it, but there's still a few that will

>>101706350
I've tried to connect with a few liggers and most of them either ghosted me or never followed through on their promises. I just chalk it up to them being busy with no bad blood on either side

>>101707730
they do not want to interact with you

>>101707730
they were just being nice, they'd rather you'd stop messaging them

>>101703457
Compete? Nigga this is a hobby not the Olympics lmao
You're supposed to do this for fun you dumbo, I already have a job

>>101708177
So the real play is to keep bothering them until they either give up and reply or block you

>>101707854
>>101708177
NTA but what if they've raided into me first? Should I try to follow up with them even after the first ghosted message? Why would they raid into me if they didn't care at all?

>>101708455
if you messaged them on twitter then it probably won't even show up, message them on discord and then if they ghost again you know its real

>>101708455
>Why would they raid into me if they didn't care at all?
It's purely performative with no true good will behind it.

>>101708455
Raids don't mean much. Some of the girls here have raided me but never watch me and wouldn't want to talk to me

>>101708455
if they raided you and you thanked them privately because they are much bigger than you but they only thank you and say nothing else, assume they raided you and regretted it right after

>>101708455
Playing same game as them, doing same activity as them, you were the 1st vtuber that popped up in the search list, pity for someone with a lower view count, etc.
If you don't talk to them normally, don't expect to get into their inner circle just because they said hello to you on the street my man

>>101707668
Won't that put me in the same predicament as streaming then? Wasted effort with too few eyes on the work?

>>101708766
The more media you put out there, the more your name will get into someone's mind.
Only do it if you enjoy the creative process tho. Editing (or at least decent editing) is always a bitch to do.

>>101708871
iirc BodegaRat said to remember TITTY (Twitter, Instagram, Twitch, TikTok, Youtube) for your growth

>>101709398
Here's some advice from Kabhaal and Pumpkin Potion from a long while ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VRpoZ-xHA8

>>101708766
Sweetie, you will put videos out there that will get 10 views.
You will have streams that will have a dead chat and 1 viewer (yourself).
It's part of content creation, it's all trial and error and growing from nothing to something.
If you expect to pop off from the start, you are in for a rude awakening (unless you get lucky).

Even someone like Alpin already had experience from his PLs.

>>101709398
Instagram is not a great source, I’d put it last after TikTok and YouTube.

But I guess everything helps.

>>101709596
Tik Tok has also fallen off for conversion metrics lately, YouTube and Twitter should be your priorities.

I just want to be successful.

>>101709398
>instagram
never used it before desu

>>101709794
I think you just dump all your fanart there and also drop some clips on Reels

>>101709495
>Pumpkin Potion
I discovered her through YouTube Shorts, so I can avow for that one.

>>101709579
That's still a bit disheartening to hear. How would I l know if my content is worth watching or not?

>>101710725
Ask friends to review your content, and be honest.
Be self critical and review your own content.
If you make good content, it will eventually pop off.

>>101709495
The guy sounds like the dracula from sesame street

Is my content worth watching?

>>101711141
To somebody it is

>>101701692 (OP)
Good thing Andy isn't around to see the state of this thread

I looked at Alpin's followers and I think I figured out what corpo he joined.

>>101711366
no one cares, obsessed schizo

>>101711451
?

>>101711502
Half a thread was wasted because the discussion devolved into
>Alpin went to [Corpo Name]

>>101711699
Every single member of this corpo, including managers, are following him, its pretty obvious.

Remember it's in this list

>>101711366
He's not joining a corpo, he's getting married to Fwofie. Give it a week and you'll see her graduation notice too.

>>101711783
Ok, now comes the crucial, always missed part:
you back up your claim eith solid evidence

>>101711786
>it

>>101711783
retarded if true, unless they dont care about opsec

Is it cringe to bring a request for a chubby model to someone who I don't think has every done chub?
I don't wanna be cringe, but I think their work is cute.

>>101711786
That's a lot of vtubers to be in a viewer list

>>101711860
There's no harm in trying. It's not really a weird request

>>101711786
>iriya

>>101712109
>continues to insist that he doesn't come here and definitely doesn't post here

>>101711783
post evidence or fuck off

How many people here watch curated content by Vtubers rather than their streams anyway?

>>101711860
How are you going to ask for it? When will you do it? Which words will you use?
If you make it make sense, it doesn't need to be instantly be shut down, but if you are gonna be a fucking sperg getting "heheee i i wan chuubeee vtubsona i want dem chuuby chuubyness give me oh som good old folds brother uhhgggg i love them chubby moddels so much ughhh i beg you i ughhhhhhhhh ughhhhhhh i want I NEED A CHUUBY MODEL MAN GIVE ME ONE UGHHHHHH" just because you can't control your emotions
context matters, how you decide to communicate matters, timing matters. Will you open DMs and beg them to give you a chubby model? will you wait after they already accepted working with you to show them?
it's a nuanced answer because it's something that requires effort, you can obviously get a chuuby model made from %99 of the industry, you just need to know how to ask

>>101711840
>>101712171
ok

>>101712204
I watch clips and video essays/tutorials by some

>>101712278
Underwhelming

>>101712278
>It wasn't Holo

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>101712109
He's watching his girlfriend

>>101712278
Are they hiring for male characters though? Also if it was for them there wouldn't be so much doom and gloom from people as I am sure they are an open door for collabs.

>>101712379
get fucked by 10 guys

>>101712278
>coworkers are all female
>one of them is a tranny

...yikes

>>101712405
no the fork guy or whatever the fuck his name is is specifically looking for desperate 18 year old girls to groom

>>101712405
>>101712444
https://x.com/SocksAgency/status/1884243637338558937

KEK cope

>>101712444
Also the girls in that company posted their tits on Twitter and they also had recently hired a troon, which may or may not be the reason why Inislein quit soon after.

>>101712278
Good for him. That's another successful aspie.

>>101712529
she didn't quit she got terminated

>>101712529
So Alpin will post maleboobs/pecs on main? Nice

>>101712242
I wasn't going to approach with nothing. I already have something I designed myself, I'm just not a professional artist to make something that looks good/riggable. No its not sexy if that was gonna be your next question. I'm not sending someone amateur softcore

>>101712563
For what reason?

>>101712505
Idk why I pictured alpin doing a very weird babi tiny girl while being even more highpitched than what he normally is but it was quite funny

>>101712560
>le "corpo is corpo"
he failed, and is going be ultra fucked if he didnt get any male genmates

>>101712278
>isreal
Alpin, bro, not like this...

maybe it's coincidental and the corpo people were drawn into watching his fitness stuff, people wouldn't be so sad about it when it's not hololive or any other highly restrictive corpo that is extremely selective as to who is allowed to collab with them

>>101712762
nigga, the CEO and fucking managers are following him, if it was only the talents i'd believe it, but there's no way

>>101712606
she's completely insanse and a huge liablilty

how diapointed will you be if alpin becomes a twink

>>101712278
Doing something retarded like following your future talent in their PL is very on brand for a small corpo who doesnt know what theyre doing and its already telling on whats to come for him.

>>101712278
I was a bit sus when I saw HRChan replying to his graduation tweet

>>101712943
Some small corpos are allowing PLs to state where they are going next. VAllure did it recently with their Gen 2.

>>101712940
You mean how disappointed will I be when they turn him into a bara manwhore?
And the answer is very.
I liked him as a seiso bro.

>>101713080
seiso doesn't bring in the fujobucks

>>101713108
Which is why I'm disappointed.

Him getting into a nonseiso corpo means that we could get the very first "I was doing exercise with my vtuber friend until I slipped inside of her by accident!"

>>101712278
Reminds me I almost applied until I looked up the talent pool and saw a tranny there.
Not worth the headache.

>>101713207
Because you definitely would've gotten in lamo

>>101713290
Probably not, but the tranny filtered me.

>>101713179
I think he's gonna have to gaybait, unless he wants the male fans of his female coworkers to abandon ship.

>>101713375
And the world kept spinning.

>>101712278
Where's the faggot that said he'd give 50 subs if it wasn't Niji/Holo? Better pay now.
25 for Beryl, 25 for Runoxi.

>>101712278
why did he make it sound like it was gonna be something big...

>>101712810
All I see is Socks, am I missing something?

>>101712810
Flork follows a bunch of people here

>>101713741
Look at >>101712278
Flork (CEO) is following, Talent Manager is following, HR is following

Stop downplaying it. Many of you are 0 view non streamers, 1 views or low 2 views. An opportunity to be something bigger is something to be celebrated. He had a goal and he reached it. Many other aspies applied for corpos didn't get in. crabs and schizos are ridiculous.

playing more nightreign come watch https://twitch.tv/sepaenvtuber

>>101714018
Whatever you say, Person in list >>101711786

>>101712278
They are basically Vallure lite, just without the erotic ASMR paywalled behind Patreon.
Alpin is gonna whore himself out.

>>101712278
Can someone check if Yagoo is following him?

aspie for this feel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkyNqGsfJdM

>>101714018
nice bait

>>101714018
I will not celebrate my son/daughter becoming a prostitute.

>>101712278
That is insanely disappointing. He actually has potential to go to a much better corpo and this is what he chooses? What was he thinking? Was he even thinking at all? Jesus dude.

>>101714411
This would require any aspie to have the quality of gravitas which requires aspies to have dignity or take what they're doing seriously

>>101714557
You should though, you make bank being an E-whore. Way more than being a vtuber.

>>101714610
>What was he thinking?
Ironically, he gave up.
As much as people here are saying he "made it" and that he reached his goal, the truth is, this was not his goal at all.
It obvious he aimed for something more like Holo, but he just got tired (despite only being around for a year) and went the easy way.

>>101714757
No you don't. If OnlyFans was a country, it would have the worst income inequality by far of any other.

>>101713108
Explain Shu Yamino.

>>101714786
Can't you just go from one corpo to another?

>>101714886
who

>>101714853
Speak for yourself, I'm making good money.

>>101712278
Duuuude, if you're going to a small corpo like that, why not just get adopted? All the other talents are adopted, except for the crazy menhera girl.
At least then you get to keep your identity and IP going into this, and also get to keep it if you eventually wanna dip.

How do I make seiso (not “”seiso ;)””) vtuber friends? How do you network?

>>101714960
Watch their content. Talk if they are seiso.

>>101714960
Watch vtubers. Reach out the ones you like.

>>101714786
Damn shame. Some vtubers I watch in corpos now said they've been applying for over 3 years and got in on the 4th year. There's no way he could have given up that easily. If you weren't chosen the first few times it doesn't even necessarily mean you weren't good enough to be in that corpo. Sometimes you just may not fit the voice of the model they have prepared already. Damnit, it's such a waste.

>>101714886
Shu is basically an honourary JP.

>>101715114
/cbdct/-chan...

I miss her, and her unhinged streams...

>>101714915
Purple member of Luxiem. Very high ccv whenever he streams, whether it be solo or collab, buff game or some obscure shit no one's ever heard of. Gets the most merch and merch collabs out of everyone, even more than Vox. Doesn't say coomer jokes and he has only cursed one time in his entire 4 years of being a corpo, and it was only for a song duet. Has never shipbaited (but some may argue otherwise because of a certain collab partner). Explain how he's so popular when he is the opposite of what every schizo thinks female fans like.

>>101715114
The way you phrase this is like he died and his run is over. Also, are people forgetting that SVA is an adoption agency not a prefab operation?

>>101715259
No, I'm just disappointed. It's still a whole contract I'm sure he's locked into, right? It's like watching someone you've been enjoying and rooting for only to throw away everything for something dumb. In the end it's his decision though and there's nothing I can do.

>>101715259
>adoption agency
He graduated, he is not getting adopted...

>>101715398
You're so close

>>101715397
Maybe he just wants to be a malewhore.

>>101715397
Even if he's locked in for a period (at least one SVA left within a year or so) that's just a step on a longer journey. A good performance in one place can still result in attention elsewhere. There are certain cases where some agencies are particularly careful about appearances of poaching, but its not all cut and dry. He's not murdering his career by putting himself into an organization that will still help put him in front of 10x or 1000x his usual viewership without them and provide the promotional and material support he doesn't have solo during that time. He's a smart guy and can make the decision if he should stay or go when the time comes.

That's all operating entirely on the assumption that he's even joining that organization and he's not just followed by them for some other reason.

>>101713500
Not yet. Flork, their talent manager, and multiple of their talents follow me as well and I'M not joining socks.

>>101715507
That's even more disappointing. Manwhores are a dime a dozen in the western vtubing sphere. We need more male vtubers that don't all have the same peepeepoopoo cum jokes. There are some that exist and are really funny without the coomer humor but people don't know about them because outsiders judge them by the 5 minutes they saw in their debut or some random clip by a SEA clipper.

>>101715608
Yeah, that's one way to look at it. I'm hoping those follows are some sort of bait he's doing idk. I guess we'll see in the next few months or so.

>>101715258
if he is so popular why does he not get shilled as hard as vox or the other nijisister favorites

>>101715762
We actually need more manwhores, I'm tired of the cum joke people who can't actually back it up.

I can’t believe Alpin is getting signed to an agency after he spent six hours drunkenly ranting about how the Holocaust never happened but it should have.

>>101715608
The main problem is what he is gonna become in that corpo.
He is losing his identity, his seisoness, his existing relationships, all that.
Holo is not gonna hire a manwhore.

>>101715781
Does that matter? Why does he need shilling? My point is you don't need to be lewd and fujobait to bring in a lot of money from female fans like schizos seem to be obsessed with pushing the idea of. In fact, it's better if you DON'T fujobait if you want a huge fujo following.

Totaled up all my possible expensive for debut, comes out to ~$8500 USD and that's after making cuts.

Jesus Christ he hasn't streamed yet you fucks, literally who cares? This is pointless speculation.

>>101716223
>expensive
Meant expenses.

>>101716223
Itemize it, I wanna see your breakdown

>>101716223
what the fuck are you buying?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*deep breath*
AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>101716422
KEK
Toasting on this epin bread

>>101716223
What will you do when you spend that much for your debut and be stuck with 15 CCV?

>>101716513
optimistic 15

>>101716422
What the fuck is your problem YOUONKEY YOU FUCKING RETARDED MONKEY YOU SHOULD GET SHOT

>>101716223
"Prom is so expensive now I don't know where I'm going to find the 10,000 dollars" ahh post

>>101716223
What the fuck?
Give me that money instead, I will give it a better use

>>101716223
If you don't already stream or have experience this is probably the most retarded decision someone has ever made. Unless majority of it is going to advertising and paying people to shill you or you're rich, you should highly reconsider.

>>101716333
>>101716336
>Character Design
$458
>Weapon and Mascot Design
$50
>Temp PNG
$98
>Model art
$1023
>Rigging
$1046
>Lore Animation
$2288
>Logo
$50
>Design Reveal Splash Art
$183
>Schedule Graphic
$50
>Profile Picture
$100
>Twitch/Twitter Banner
$50
>Transition Stinger
$230
>Starting Soon Screen
$327
>Be Right Back Screen
$163
>Overlay
$100
>Animated Background Asset
$210
>Sub Badges
$40
>Twitch Panels
$50
>Initial Emotes
$60
>Alert Animations and SFX
$450
>4 BGM tracks
$275
>Audio Consultation
$120
>Lore Video Scoring and SFX
$500
>iPhone X
$150
>Advertising
$800

This doesn't include hardware except the iPhone because I already own all the hardware I will need.

>inb4 my friend chong ling will do all of that in a week for $5 and a lottery ticket
All of the options I have picked are done strategically. Most of the people I am commissioning are either highly skilled and cost effective, or they're very popular and I can use their audience to drum up interest (I also still like their work, but some are clearly overpriced for that actual product itself).

This doesn't include the obvious hundreds of hours I'm going to sink into all of this as well.

>>101716513
Well I already have around 15-30 CCV depending on the day, so I would hope that I could get at least to partner at the month after debut.

>>101716814
How about this. Get a PNG drawn or a premade model and see if you like streaming first before dropping money on all that. It'll cost less than $100.

>>101716814
2k for a LORE ANIMATION
Brother you are actually retarded. None of this is getting you partner.

>>101716814
>$800 advertising
where are you even advertising

>>101716814
You don't need to spend all that money for a debut. You're not part of Hololive.

>>101716814
Consider this.
Saba debuted with no lore animation, no slides, no cover song.
Do that instead.

>>101716856
I already do stream.

>>101716863
The lore animation isn't a one and done sort of thing. I'm building a storyboard with lots of different shots in it so that I can continually use it in future edits, clips, advertising, etc. Hence why it's so expensive.

>>101716871
YouTube, Twitter and IG. I might also pay some bigger streamers to stream my debut.

>>101716919
I know I don't need to. I want to.

I want to feel secure that if I fail, it wasn't from a lack of money or quality. It was my own personal failing and I can work on that instead of wondering "Oh is my model ugly, or does my music turn people off, does my mic sound like shit, is my overlay disorientating" etc.

>>101716947
And Saba is the reincarnation of the single biggest vtuber in history, so it's not really a fair comparison when I'm a nobody.

>>101717009
you must be rich to just blow 8.5k on this as a literal nobody

>>101716947
Are you being retarded or you are just retarded? Saba was one of the most famous vtubers all over the world, this guy has probable not even 0.1% of her following
You are so stupid

>>101717009
>>101716814
Hello girl with bara models whose name I can't remember!

>>101716814
don't even care i spent like 20k on vtubing already while being at 2 CCV for years I'm just in it because vtubing is kinda sick and it's fun doing cool shit

>>101716814
cabu 2.0 in the making.

>>101717009

More money spent does not equal success and popularity in vtubing. Anyone can tell you right now that it's a dumb idea. Please save as much money as you can and slowly build your channel up instead of dropping 9k on it.

>>101716814
Post channel or this is fake and gay

>>101717103
cabu actually needed to spend all that money because of his content required it, even then it wasnt all of it in one go

>>101717109
This is literally counting all your eggs before you hatch.

>>101717009
If you're rich and just want to spend money on your hobby, that's fine. but if you're poor and this is a desperate attempt to escape the 9-to-5 grind, don't do it. stop everything and get financial counseling. don't be poor and retarded

>>101712278
LOL
https://x.com/CamizoleVT/status/1939061542512632074

>>101717314
He really fell off

>>101716814
15-30 to 70+ consistently for 3+ months doesn't work like that. Unless you have people who are partners who promised to raid into you for 3 months straight and your content is consistent and you're entertaining you are asking for a lot.

>>101717360
He's gonna be in an all female corpo.
He is turbo fucked.

>>101717410
More like turbo milked.

>>101717162
I disagree. It's not uncommon in business to take out a large startup loan for capital to get yourself up and running to focus on what your business is supposed to be doing rather than slowly building up from scratch. If you look at vtubing as a business venture, this is a logical step since this is exactly what corpos do. Corpos don't start out with crudely drawn PNGs and no production value and slowly grind their way up. They invest a ton of money to get to a level of quality that would attract viewers at the very beginning and start paying off their investment straight away.

>>101717398
Worked for Zenya.

Rinna got a better deal with her graduation than this

>>101717009
And if you fail, then what? Are you going to kill yourself? Will you just quit? Are you going to continue streaming or will you spend another 10k to redebut and try again?

>>101717500
Because she chose a good corpo, unlike Alpin.

>>101717539
If I fail then I know it's a personal failing. There's something wrong with me and my content that I need to change.

>>101717489
She went full cunny dick sucking ASMR and advertised it everywhere. I don't think this anon is doing the same thing.

>>101717574
Let's pretend you're a vtuber and not just a thread shitter. Are you telling me that you wouldn't jump on an opportunity to join a known corpo?

>>101717592
Post channel

>>101717625
Alpin dude... just stop copeing.

>>101717663
You'll see it when you see it.

>>101717592
But will you continue to stream and keep the same level of commitment knowing all the money you spent didn't do what you hoped? Most people lose motivation when they realize their everything wasn't enough. If you're fully prepared for absolute failure and are content with spending nearly 5 digits on a hobby then go for it, but if you don't think you can handle the possibility of it not working as planned and you'll be full of regrets then you should reconsider.

>>101717720
Even if I said yes, you wouldn't believe me.

This much pushback on a 9k debut is crazy, I'm sure the guy already considered the possibility of failing before spending all that money
Besides, it's not like its coming out of your own bank account, let the guy aspire on his own terms

>>101717410
They probably hired another male to go with him. Who else has graduated recently?

>>101717943
People are either jealous or projecting their own self-esteem issues. I say if you have the means and are able, go for it as long as you understand that money can't buy an audience, but it can give you the opportunities to attract one.

>>101717977
kek, the cope continues

>>101717943
because it's an insane amount of money, 9k for a hobby straight up is something not even liggers would be spending on their debuts and they immediately make that money back off merch and donations. This anon is doing it as a 20 ccv vtuber, they arent gonna be making back that money in years. Like yeah dropping 1-2k on a debut is questionably pricy but understandable if it includes new models or outfits but 9k is absolutely INSANE and people should be discouraged from spending that much from the get go because that means them going into debt and other monetary issues in the future.

>>101718075
If you were just going to be buying all of this stuff anyway over many years, what's the difference? Most /lig/gers over the course of their careers have probably spent way more.

>>101718174
Because they can fund it through donothons, gift subs, donations, throne and more. If you're starting out, you cannot just drop this much money at once because you arent going to be making it back. Streaming is something that sees returns with time investment in the hobby and not money investment.

>>101716814
This is a lot of effort for a shitpost, so I'm inclined to believe this is true somehow. And boy, I really hope this is bait.

>>101718258
>Streaming is something that sees returns with time investment in the hobby and not money investment.
Explain corpos then.

>>101717977
Just Lance...

>>101718301
The most popular ones are the ones that have been around the longest.

>>101717943
I don't understand why people think it's a big deal to spend money on this as a hobby. If you're that rich, you can spend your 100x more money on a boat or a plane. If vtubing brings you the same happiness and buying a yacht, then why is it such a big deal?

>>101718333
So HololiveEN didn't explode in massive popularity overnight upon debut?

>>101717943
I'm not pushing back, it's just a lot of money to spend on a hobby. If anon is fine with all the possible outcomes then it's ultimately their decision.
> I'm sure the guy already considered the possibility of failing before spending all that money
You'd be surprised how many people don't consider it. There are many cases of vtweeters who spend 5k on models only to try to sell them on Twitter months later because they can't afford rent anymore.

>>101718358
Because anyone posting in here ain't rich, I can tell you that much. And even if they were, that's still a retarded decision, however you paint it.

>>101718258
This is retard mindset.

Vtubing is not the same as streaming. Your advice is true for streaming, not for vtubing.

>>101718419
You're on /vt/, you should be familiar with Sora streaming to her 12 knights during christmas or how the first few gens had absolutely nobody watching them.

>>101718471
You're avoiding the question. Sora is not HololiveEN.

Nor does this point actually makes sense because Yagoo had to take Cover public because he took in a ton of investor money. He didn't just grind from the bottom like a roach, he took investor money to get things up and running.

>>101718419
Are you really comparing yourself, a mofo posting in a basket weaving forum, to the biggest vtubing corporation IN THE FUCKING WORLD? ARE YOU EVEN READING WHAT YOU'RE POSTING YOU MONGREL

>nooo you can't just buy a ticket to skip the queue
>you have to grovel in dirt LIKE ME for YEARS before you're allowed to buy nice things

What the fuck is this thread

>>101718534
HololiveEN's popularity was built off the back of their senpais working hard and their content getting clipped and going viral in the west. People didnt know what vtubers are but they were absolutely clamoring for it and holoEN hit during COVID as well when everyone was lock indoors.

>>101718558
Reading comprehension issue. Media literacy issue. Vtubing history literacy issue.

>>101718581
Might as well just skip the middle man and pay for bots

>>101718581
Can you even post an actual argument or are you gonna construct strawmen for the whole thread?

>>101718612
Okay, now you can answer the second part of my post where Yagoo took in investor money to spend on vtubing.

>>101718698
The actual argument is there, you're just too dumb to dissect it.

>>101718581
No one is saying that, retard.

>>101718700
Yagoo got millions in startup money. Cover was founded in 2016. Despite spending million on state of the art technology and marketing, it took until 2020 for Hololive to blow up. Thus money does not equal popularity, it's time spent.

>>101718767
anon, you are not skipping the queue by spending extra money, thats retarded

>>101718772
They actual are. Their point is that you shouldn't use your own money to fund your vtubing hobby/career and that you should only use money you earnt FROM vtubing to fund it. Which for most people would mean eating rocks for years and if they're super fucking lucky, being able to afford a real L2D model

>>101718802
Unless he spends hundreds paying people to advertise him he is not skipping any lines

>>101718798
I never said money did equal popularity.

>it's time spent
So explain all the people who stream for years, sometimes over a decade, and see absolutely no success? If time streamed is the only factor, why aren't they bigger then Gura?

>>101718840
Okay well I wasn't saying that. I just wanted to know whether anon was okay with all possibilities seeing as he posted in an advice thread.

>>101718767
Sure it is, bro. Sure it is.
Go blow up those 9k rupies, then. I double dare you.

Damn this nigga really just like arguing for the sake of arguing.

>>101718862
Giving a beginner extremely shitty tools to start with actual hinders progress. A master can learn more from using shitty tools, using bad tools as a beginner makes it incredibly hard to learn because you can't tell if you're bad or your tools are just bad.

No matter how hard you might try, you can't paint like Michelangelo with a broom.

>>101718689
what's the downside to this

>>101719003
Bots don't donate to you and so there's no investment made back.

>>101718998
Correct, there's a reasonable middle ground where you spend some money on better tools. 9k when you're at 20 CCV isn't it

>>101718581
It's not skipping the "queue." Spending more money won't make you a better entertainer or more people watch you. People are warning against flushing 10k at once because of how often people end up regretting it because they hate streaming, or end up rebranding. Also unnecessary expenses in that list. But if you have an extra 10k, go ahead and piss it away.

>>101718954
I'm not even sure if it's the local schizo coming with a new bait angle or if this is a new, bona-fide mental patient. Either way it's nothing new for us, just another Saturday night in here...

>>101719062
You can spend way more than $9K very easily.

>>101719127
Wasn't just Lily's model like 20K?

>>101719003
You might get banned and your chat will still be dead. But otherwise probably not much downside.

>>101719127
Yeah, in things I actually need to progress on my life, not in a hobby I'm not even familiar with.
But you do you, it's your money, or your parents money, more likely.

>>101718862
Ria...

>>101719257
You are embarrassing yourself and we will remember this. Please stop because you sound like the schizo who has been arguing for the sake of arguing lately and unless you want us to think that's you, then I suggest you just stop now.

>>101719257
>schizo so lonely it prefers to spend his weekend night building strawmen on 4chan

I know who you are.

>>101719331
poor

>>101716814
>$100 for a profile picture
>$100 for an overlay
>$327 for a starting soon screen
You're getting fleeced.
>$2288 for a lore animation
Brother you are in /asp/. I understand the thought of leveraging commissioned art pieces to get more eyes on you, but you gotta understand that if I see some skeb on an artists' account, I go "oh that's cute. I hope they liked it" and keep scrolling.

>>101719430
I was just about to post that.

Just made a short video, but it has some profanities in it. How bad do they get buried by the algorithm if you don't censor them?

>>101716814
straight up embarrassing...

>>101716814
people will tell you that you're retarded but as long as you're proud of what you've done so far then I'm proud of you too.

This is the most insightful thread on /asp/ mentality so far because we have a person who's done the work, the planning, the budgeting and has a background in streaming but aspies still just want to be crabs

>>101720060
Just blow the money already if you're that guy, or stop sucking his dick for free if you're not. Or go back to your usual timeloops, this ain't funny anymore, just sad.

If you have $8000 and don't have a consistent flow of disposable income and you spend it on VTUBING the you're a fucking pinhead.

>>101720457
then*
Remember, whenver you try to call someone stupid on the internet, there's a good chance you will make a spelling mistake. You're playing russian roulette with fate.

>>101720060
They're clearly willing to pay for advertising, so I'd avoid working for free.

>>101720060
>the work, planning, budgeting
Brother you need to stop. All you said was that you were spending 10k on a debut and then replied to yourself asking for the breakdown. You understand the risks, good. If you're this fucking butthurt about us giving you our opinions then you should kindly fuck off. Majority of us are fine with what you're doing yet you schizod out over the few that weren't cool with it. You budgeted and planned for your debut? Okay cool dude, glad to hear that, it puts it into better perspective. Good luck to your debut but stop fucking spazzing out on the thread.

if you have to try and justify it this hard clearly you don't consider it a good use of money

>>101716814
>

>>101720060
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. It's the nature of /asp/ to whine about everything.

>>101720060
And he's so sexy and drives a nice car and has so many girlfriends too

>>101720848
Makes me think they're not as confident in buying success as they tried to make it sound

>alpin the man who was too proud to play himself in a yaoireading on daiyas stream is going to join a pornagency
rumao

>>101721636
>yaoi reading
Where?

>>101721742
last daiyalogue

Let's say alpin really got into holostars/niji en and there was proof he did.
How would the thread react then? Would they be satisfied and congratulate him? Or will it still be shitposting and being mad at him, just for different reasons?

>>101721111
They don't call this place the crab bucket for nothing.

>>101721832
Thanks, I'll check it out

>>101721742
Fwofujo made the boys on Daiyalogues yesterday read yaoi fanfics of Alpin and Daiya. It was a good bit.

>>101721848
i would be jealous and find him and kill him

>uwo
>beryl
>haru
>alpin
Who's next?

>>101722088
and this is supposed to mean what? uwo is leagues above and beyond beryl and haru and alpin is still a nobody

>>101721943
It's always that whore

>>101722088
Beryl and haru might be a bit successful, but let's not pretend they're in the big leagues

>>101722168
>whore for making boys gaybait to entertain her and the audience

>there's people watching my VODs
I was using that channel as a repository of my streams only, I'm shocked to see there were 16-17 people checking them.
Makes me want to start curating them and post them in the main channel, but whenever I start editing, I use the whole day learning new techniques and relearning old ones, and end up editing only 2 minutes out of 2 hours of content.
I might end up dedicating myself to doing shorts in the meantime, and finally make a stream schedule and stick to it, now that there's a couple of people interested in it.

>>101721848
Following the pattern of former asp Rinna, I'm going to assume they'll have their crab freakout moment and then forget about alpin in his new life

>>101722663
Forgot to mention I finally made a short video with some light editing (and still made me spend the whole day researching how to make decent looking subtitles...) and I would love to post it... If I wasn't in the middle of a thunderstorm that made me lose my progress 3 fucking times already fucking hell

The vibes were too weird and awkward. We can still be friendly if you reach out. otherwise, sorry!

>>101722829
If this were about me I’d fucking shoot myself

what was the most anonymous way to sell commissions
vgen?

>>101721848
>Let's say Hitler didn't kill a bunch of jews, would history still remember him as a bad person?

>>101722829
Hint?

>>101722916
Carrier pigeon and a usb stick

>>101723048
well actually, you'd have to have a pidgeon that was born in the destination so it wouldn't really work for this use case

>>101723131
Carrier pidgeon intermediary then.

>>101723183
okay now we're cooking...

top five boys who i think have a huge chance of actually getting into an agency if they wanted to and worked for it:
cabu, kyuu, gclef, kaignikki, ace windfall

>>101723353
You forgot camui

>>101723609
AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>101723609
He’s cooked. No corpo would touch him with his schizo doc.

>>101723353
You forgot iriya

>>101723609
no but we all wish we could

>>101723819
he falls into the same category as crane, nijisanji en or some insane porno corpo would accept them

my nigga died, i miss my nigga

>>101723876
>some insane porno corpo
So Socks?

>>101723353
You forgot acepcaswell

>>101723955
swag

>>101723976
he is a little forgettable just like mawg but them too

I love him so much

>>101724448
He has a boyfriend.

you retards be pmo there are only maybe two faggots in the whole asp

>>101724509
name them

>>101724613
nikola and kyuu

>>101724509
happy pride month!

>>101724625
Nikola doesn't even stream

>>101724669
still a faggot

Alpin’s contract got leaked by FalseEyeD last week. If you count the sizing of the redacted spaces, it fits the name Alpin Albench perfectly. He is being paid approx. five bags of chicken tenders a week as a bonus, but they’re kindergarten grade.

>>101724769
Alpin prefers Kindergarten grade if you know what I mean.

>>101723796
Let's not act like /asp/ is the norm. Normalfags lap stuff like that up like crack, like the drama with piratesoftware for example. I don't know why he and chrii kept it hidden on some archive instead of trying to get sympathy from normalfags who by nature love internet drama because their own lives are boring

>>101725119
Corpos love people who doxx others. Retard.

>>101725119
My rrat is that it was unfinished
My rrat is that it kept being worked on
My rrat is that there's more

>>101724769
From a tweet or a video?

>>101725156
He never wanted to go corpo, he's a normie that thought he could get both audiences by being vinesauce with an avatar

>>101724805
It's tastier that way!

>>101722798
Damn, I forgot I also have to make thumbnails ingrained it the very first frame of the video. Not like I had time to make a thumbnail, but it's good to remember for the next one.
I also forgot you need to add hashtags for shorts, since those are actually important. I'm not sure how many I should add tho, or where. Probably in the title?

Where did the Alpin is a pedophile thing even come from? Was it another pulled from my ass schizo rumor?

>>101724471
Still love him.

>>101725220
>reply to message about corpo prospects
>he didn’t want to go corpo anyway
retard

>>101725306
It's a super weird rrat that the schizo started almost a year ago.

>>101725306
yup

>>101725306
Yes, and desperately forced every chance they found. Sis made sure to reply to every go live tweet with it.

>>101725306
because he held watchalongs on his discord, him and some fans were watching the pokemon movies and some of them were minors? that's what i pieced together

>>101725306
All one guy who made up the rrat that, because he said he was a reincarnation of sorts, he was running from all of that
But it's still the same guy spamming it too

>>101725396
someone should leak his past lives

Just seeing her name makes me smile

>>101725306
Alpin has nothing bad about him so the schizo made shit up to accuse him every thread for a year.

>>101725396
To be fair Alpin has reincarnated multiple times but really doubt it's for being a nonce

>>101725430
Me?

>>101725430
Who?

>>101725430
Name them!

>>101725534
>>101725512
Grace

>>101725560
Is it me?

>>101725560
Lord, thank you for this blessing of a bountiful meal and in other words, rub a dub dub, thanks for the grub.

>>101725422
someone should slit your throat

>>101725596
Amen, God is good!

>>101725560
Flandzen...
Zeph...
Iriya...

Guess I'll ask relevant questions next thread, then. Seems I came here at a bad moment.

>>101725675
Ask away. Every moment is bad

>>101725706
This
Just post what you want to post

>>101725674
How did you forget her #1 fan, Scege?

I hate women. Would that interfere with me as a vtuber?

>>101725366
Every non-covid weeb wants to get with a few trainers it isn't rocket surgery

>>101725779
Are you a guy?
Then no, even better
Are you a girl?
Then yes, quite a punch because most women stay just with women

>>101725675
threads about to die anyway so

>>101725860
>Then yes, quite a punch because most women stay just with women
ESL

>>101725706
Alright. So, I apparently can't modify the thumbnail for a YouTube short. Or I can't find the option on the editor. Can anyone with more experience with this share some tips for how to publish shorts?
Not about how to do them, just general tips on how many should I upload every week, or what's a good duration for them.

>>101725883
Yah sis

>>101725895
Consider circumventing this issue by converting your short into a longer length VOD by slowing the video down to increase your watch time and help you get YouTube Partner quicker.

My TikTok clip stopped at 800 views. Got 10 likes. It’s a start I guess.

He doesn’t love me

>>101725946
Who doesn't?

>>101725895
open youtube in your phone
>touch on (You), bottom right
>View channel
>Manage videos
>touch on the 3 dots in yout video
>Edit
>touch the pencil idol, top left
>change the thumbnail of the short
>save

>>101725895
You have to do it on mobile

RIP Laine Ikaros your drawings were okayish kind of.
https://x.com/kiiroi_jacket/status/1939197796613062676

>>101726014
don't scare me like this, she posted 3 days ago

>>101725976
>>101725977
Oh, you're right; thanks.
It's weird you can only edit that from the mobile app, but at least now I can do it... For the next one. This one seems to be doing fine on its own. Already at 100 views in half an hour. I expect waking up tomorrow to no new views, but it was great for the first one.

IRIYA JUST DROPPED A NEW POST
THIS IS NOT A FALSE ALARM

>>101726316
who cares

>>101726316
somebody who will tell you they're a grown adult human being wrote this post and expected you to get excited about it

>>101726316
Hi Iriya

>>101726316
We don't care that you privated your account, Iriya. You're weird and best avoided.

>>101726578
You're even weirder for being so obsessed with him.

in my opinion the satisfaction from vtubing should come more from what you can create and improve on as part of a journey rather than blowing 9k at once for the sake of attempting to limit variables of why people click off a stream


if you have a decent sense of improv and an engaging personality you're going to go farther through hard work than blowing 9k at once to cope with lacking the former

>>101726612
I don't care about him. I wish he'd stop posting about himself in the third person every night.

>>101725946
I do.

>>101719003
Virtually none.

>>101726124
If it doesn’t hit the first time, delete it, reupload it, try different titles and tags, I’m going to do that with mine since in 9 hours it’s gotten 9 views… versus TikTok 370 views and 17 likes so far…

You ruin everything.

>>101727719
Eat shit, loser.

>>101727889
Stop posting him here

>>101728264
Who

>>101728366
Iriya, he ruins absolutely everything.

I think about killing myself alot.

>>101728392
He does, doesn't he?

I literally do not post here and only check in so often.

>>101728453
Why do you respond every single day when you get mentioned negatively then?

>>101728431
I hate that all the women here are in love with him

>>101728400
omg same awoomfie

>>101728488
Alright Iriya you can stop now

>>101728400
same

>>101728464
I don't.

At this point I hate Iriya so much that I want to see him as the middle piece of a human centipede. Either make some content or stop posting about yourself.

grrr I'm so mad that I saw a name in a viewer list! grr I'm so mad!!!!

>>101728400
why

>>101728665
grr im so bad about [name] I will repeat [name] in this thread for years and then use that as justification to continue posting [name] because I saw [name] posted due to my own mental illness.

>>101728665
I'm mad because he hasn't stopped astroturfing in two years.

>>101728742
I'm sooooo madd!!!!!!1

>>101728760
Good, stay mad. I don't like you. I'm glad you're mad.

I need the thread to know I don't like the name I saw! It is very important that they know I don't like them!!! I need to constantly remind people that I don't like them or else the thread might think I like them!!!