>She's just in it for the money, break out the credit cards atmbuds!
>She'll definitely pick a debut and birthday that are spread far apart to double dip on merch, what a greedy grifter!
>*Birthday and debut only 8 days apart*
>"i'm releasing special debut celebration merchandise, which I guess also counts as birthday merchandise because my birthday was recently"
Uh oh, fellow cripples? Our response!?

>>101720625 (OP)
Your argument is unironically "She's not in for the money, because she milked us on Day 1!!!" lol

Having a "birthday" separate from your anniversary is pointless if you are indie. It's intended for corpos since girls often debut on the same day and you need a way to shill merch- i mean celebrate each girl individually.

Even though I dislike Saba I wouldn't really care either way if she double dipped or not. It only makes sense for corpos but it is also so well established in vtubing that most people wouldn't think about it.

>>101720823
>Proof she isn't milking her fans
>"So you're saying she milked you!?"
Are your eyes crippled too retardchama?

>>101720625 (OP)
I already knew she was only in it for the money when she would only come back from her unannounced breaks to shill merch or paid events.

>>101721016
>Never did the Gura 4 year anniversary stream, forced Cover to drop merch that she never even shilled for
>Pulled out of merch, sponsorships, etc. for months before graduating as Gura
>No answer to TRVKE in the OP
Not much going on up in the ol' cerebrum, eh Sanjay?

>>101720906
The point is that this thoroughly dispels the "grifter" rrat - as if it wasn't dead on arrival to anyone with two brain cells to rub together.
Now watch as she never turns on superchats.

>>101721124
>only mentions shit that happened at the end of her then streaming career
Thank you for your purchase, please buy another set of merch!

>>101721226
>turns on memberships
>has merchandise from the get-go

Its a grift.

>>101720908
>>Proof she isn't milking her fans
Again, your "proof" of her NOT milking her fans is having merch for sale on day 1 instead like day 20 or whatever. As if that's not MORE of an indictment

>>101721124
my big problem with gura was never her shilling merch or events. it was her only streaming the bare minimum, ghosting fans repeatedly, and taking their membership money anyway. saba has to stream regularly for at least 6 months for me to forgive her and that has like a 0.0001% chance of happening. she's gonna pull a dooby, if that.

>>101721226
>Now watch as she never turns on superchats.
dude cut the crap. are you just falseflagging as a sabafag? cause this is the most obviously false thing ever.
and like i said earlier, opening memberships is bad enough. if she wasnt gonna grift she wouldnt even come back. if streaming is such an inconvenience for her that she cant even update her fans then she wouldnt bother coming back unless it was to take money.

>>101721272
>Only mentions the irrefutable proof that she isn't a grifter
Speaking of merch, let's check in on the rest of Holoshill - sorry, Hololive...
Oh... oh, oh no, don't look...

>>101721479
except gigi has streamed more in 1 year than gura in the last 2? shit bait retard.

>>101721479
I forgot how stupid you guys are, I dont even watch Holos ever since I dropped her.. and the fish was my oshi

>>101721437
Goalposts status - shifted
>>101721438
Again, you are literally incapable of reading basic English
I'll take this to mean you have no answer for why she isn't selling birthday AND debut merch separately, when she easily could have, and even explicitly said that a single merch drop doubles for both?

>>101721627
>Goalposts status - shifted
You're the one defining "grifter" = shilling merch and nothing else. Nobody else goes by that definition.

>>101721521
Except that's a weak-ass deflection which completely misses the point that Gura WASN'T SHILLING MERCH AT ALL in her last several months in Hololive, to an extremely conspicuous degree as explained in >>101721124 ? Not to mention pulling out of the OCG?
Retard.
>>101721570
Keep trying anon, I'm sure you'll manage to put a coherent thought together some day if you try hard enough

>>101721687
>"Shilling merch and turning on memberships day 1 proves she's a grifter!"
>No it doesn't you fucking moron, shilling merch doesn't make you a grifter, there's plenty of other examples of other vtubers shilling merch and they're not grifters
>"So YOU are defining grifting as shilling merch!?"
Where did you come from, and what made you this dumb?

>>101721750
cringe underage

>>101721906
>underage

>>101721521
>>101721570
Wow, shining the spotlight on Gigi REALLY sets off the browns, huh?

>>101721838
You're arguing with like 3 different people.

>>101721750
>deflection which completely misses the point
Shilling merch, memberships, events, etc. is obviously not inherently wrong. What you're purposely dodging is that it matters how much effort the talent puts into their work. That's why I shot down your shit deflection to Gigi which only destroys your own point because Gigi (though I don't like her content) does put a lot of effort in to making content.
Gura was completely checked out the last 2 years, but she still took the financial benefits from lingering around which is what totally soured her for me. Until she proves me wrong by streaming regularly again, I only see Saba setting up a new passive income.
And get this- I actually LIKE the omocat debut merch. If she didn't have a lazy reputation I would have absolutely zero issue with what she did today.

>>101722101
>oh no my deflection didnt work let me try again

>>101721627
>I'll take this to mean you have no answer for why she isn't selling birthday AND debut merch separately
Cuz it's irrelevant in the face of her having debut merch + membership on during her 1st stream retardbro
The "winning" move would've been to not have merch in her first handful of months and maybe wait a few streams before turning on monetization. Since she already did it, you're just doing some weird form of damage control by going "Well at lease we're only getting milked once instead of twice!" lol

>>101720625 (OP)
She's in to empty my balls to, as we speak right now

>>101722203
>What you're purposely dodging is-
Except I don't need to "dodge" anything here, you peabrained, mouthbreathing amoeba, because everything you've said is completely fucking asinine and anyone who believes it unironically is as much of a dysgenic waste of oxygen as you are.
The result is what matters - NOT the effort. If anything, grinding is a crutch that the unremarkable use to make up for a deficit of talent. And if the results are what matter - which they are - then the reasons FOR that result matter, including picrel. If you were half as astute as you seem to think you are, then you would have cottoned on to the fact that Gura stuck around for so long because she hadn't actually checked out - or at least, she hadn't given up and was trying to get back into the swing of things, despite how much of a mess she was and how bad things obviously were with the company behind the scenes. Most likely several things one after another, based on how many times she tried to come back only to take yet another hiatus.
If you think it makes any sense for someone to turn down pay for a job AS THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO DO IT, then you are a disingenuous moron who hasn't been paying any attention whatsoever. Probably because you were busy grasping for straws and inventing stories to hurt your own feelings and then blaming everybody else for it.
Oops, so much for "shooting down" my "deflection" n-no u lol and whatever other buzzwords you threw into that clumsy, embarrassing excuse for a post.
>>101722376
>More goalpost shifting
Sorry you curry-brained pagjeet, but this new angle you've retreated to after your last one collapsed is what's "irrelevant".

>>101723122
I know very little about music production but when she left that last song had her voice mixed so low it was horrendous.

>>101723122
>you would have cottoned on to the fact
Learn English.
>The result is what matters - NOT the effort
And what are Gura's results? Two songs? It is astronomically ironic how you try to say the effort is irrelevant while defending Gura's lack of results because... well, at least she tried hard!!
You are so bad faith it's not even funny. I do actually hope Saba stays active and doesn't immediately drop off again. But I definitely will always hate her fans.

She obviously came to grift, and it's not because of merch on debute, but because of such heavy pedobating, she's on the Shondo level of grifting pedos now.

>>101724046
I don't care if this is true if this leads to more loli vtubers, more chance of a good one to be among them.

I've overcome my anger about her making millions of dollars for being a worthless lazy cocksucking whore by recognizing how many worthless cumpedos will be spending hundreds to thousands of dollars on someone who only sees them as an ATM. it's pretty soothing honestly

>>101723518
>learn English
Most ironic post of the year goes to...
>What are Gura's results? Two songs?
And, oh, you know...
Building all of HoloEN from scratch with her genmates. In the middle of a lockdown. And with Omegatroon actively sabotaging them behind the scenes.
And several collaborations with government bodies, such as Taipei, Tokyo's tourism ambassadorship, and the Sendai aquarium.
And singing "take me out to the ballgame" at the Dodger's Stadium for the world series, complete with a drone show of her character over LA.
And breaking several records with her channel, including first Holo to 1m subs and most subbed to this day.
And being one of Cover's top merch earners. To the point that they had a statue of her in the lobby of their main office building.
And being recognized and beloved as a vtuber by hundreds of thousands if not millions of people... in the fucking WEST. A market that was opened up to vtubing corpos almost ENTIRELY thanks to her and, to a lesser degree, the rest of her gen.

And that's all just off the top of my head.

Now, if you're done pathetically trying to muddy the waters by conflating:
a) the results are what matter when determining how valuable a person is or how much of a reward they deserve
with
b) you can ignore the facts of reality when accusing someone of "checking out"
maybe you can stop sidestepping for a second and try to apply the EXACT SAME LOGIC to YOUR OWN braindead fucking posts? Who knows, you might even realize "you know what, maybe I was too quick to assume the worst, maybe she wasn't actually just cynically cashing out this whole time, maybe I was assuming the worst of her"... not that I'm holding my breath. People like you are too busy impotently seething, lashing out and sharing your worthless opinions about anyone who wasn't as vindictive and stupid as you with your fellow catalogbrowns to do any serious self-reflection.

>>101724046
>>101724146
Nice fanfics, pretty derivative though

>>101720823
>>101720906
>>101724146
>>101723518
If you're going to keep hating on Saba then I'm going to keep saying Shachimu is unironically autistic.

>>101724332
I miss Moom bros...

>>101724238
That list of Gura's "accomplishment"s are mostly things organized and done by other people. Your list boils down to "she got popular" but you're not actually saying anything she achieved or built outside of a subscriber count. You're not listing songs, games, art, videos she made. Your main argument is that she's allowed to cash lazy checks because she's popular.

>maybe she wasn't actually just cynically cashing out this whole time, maybe I was assuming the worst of her
It would have taken very little effort for her to dispel such notions but she never did. One has to wonder why. You don't have an answer for this.
>you can ignore the facts of reality
Again, nothing to say but ironic.

You type like someone with heavy autism, by the way. If >>101724332 is you then you are insufferable.
Nobody in America says "cotton on". I have no choice but to concede it's a real phrase but I've literally never heard it. Meaning is no different from "caught on" so I have no idea why you would use an obsolete term like that.

>>101724796
>Nobody in America says "cotton on"
Yes we do, fucking retard.

>>101720625 (OP)
All true

>>101724880
I'm almost 30 and this is the first time in my life. It gets double digit search entries on Google and mostly Utah which is a heretical hellhole.

>>101720908
holy shit seeing this compared to the new model made me realize how utter dogshit her old model was. cover should have demanded a refund from that rigger.

>>101725087
>I'm almost 30 and this is the first time in my life.
You don't read books and it shows.

>>101720625 (OP)
Is this the new anti-cope? Nobody said this. Why are you deflecting from the fact that she didn't have 1 million CCV and Cover hasn't gone bankrupt yet? That's stuff people have actually posted here a lot.

>>101724796
>Mostly things organized and done by other people
No, they aren't. The fact that other people participated in some of those accomplishments don't detract from the fact that they centered around her, and only could have centered around her. To say nothing of what she would've had to do behind the scenes, which is way more than you seem to think. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Not to mention that this same copout could be used to minimize every project every other vtuber's ever done.
>Your list boils down to "she got popular"
And also aaaaaaaaaaaaall of the other things I listed. As if achieving such astronomical popularity wasn't already enough of an accomplishment in its own right.
>but you're not actually saying anything she achieved or built outside of a subscriber count
Yes I did, blindchama. Read the post back again, nice and slow.
>You're not listing songs, games, art, videos she made.
I'm listing things which are way bigger, because her own creative content and her library of streams speaks for itself. Also
>Waaaah she only made TWO bangers, including a collaboration with Mazu and Casey fucking Edwards which would've been three if Cover wasn't autistic about Full Color for some reason
is a pretty weak hill to die on.
>It would have taken very little effort for her to dispel such notions but she never did.
She did.
>One has to wonder why.
If they're fucking braindead maybe.
>You don't have an answer for this.
Yes I do. As I said above, the answer is: she DID.
>If >>101724332 is you then you are insufferable.
Nah that's not me. I have to say, it's actually pretty funny seeing the Shachimu autism poster here.
>Nobody in America says "cotton on".
See >>101724880 and >>101725450 . And I'm certain I've heard it ephemerally every now and then just being on the internet for so many years. How fucking new are you?

>>101720625 (OP)
She will never be the real Gura, no matter how hard she tries to copy her style and look.

>>101725550
>Nobody said this
>>101195962
Fuck (You) for making me dig through the archives for this shit. Though I guess it was worth it to blow you the fuck out.

>>101725669 (me)
Oh yeah also >>101107943.

>>101724659
Don't lose hope

>>101725590
A-anon...

>>101725450
You couldn't name me one book you've read which has that phrase in it so choke on a cock please you insufferable dweeb.

>>101725580
Just kill yourself you faggot holy fuck you type like such a buttmuncher

>>101720625 (OP)
Guras design was so much better. This looks like generic twitch vtuber #4293829

>>101725943
You first Rajesh

>>101725943
>buttmuncher
https://youtu.be/uz7N8WPPbvE

>>101725981
Achmed's bait was so much better. This looks like generic streetshitter bait #1463526271

>>101725751
Slap my ass and call my Jacob, 'cause these sisters are both my wives

>>101720625 (OP)
Sorry to break the fantasy for you, but all vtubers are in for the money.
>They do not want to be your friend or even less secretly love you. Their whole point is to take advantage of your autism and lack of a social life, so they can sell you a fantasy of this which you lack.

>>101726845

>>101726740 (me)
>call my Jacob
*(me)

>>101720625 (OP)
>posting fanart from a faggot who makes her look older because he didn't like her original design

>>101727313
>Nobody has ever posted aged-up fanart of anything before in the history of the internet

>>101727379
People are bitching that she looks like a loli. The op pic is literally taller and has bigger tits too.

I feel like I'm a good read on people and, while Saba wants to make money like everyone else, I don't think she's the type to be like sneaky and unethical about it. Not like how Nimi debuted while her model wasn't even done yet which was really sus to me.

>>101727433
That's not what the thread is about though?

>>101723122
>>More goalpost shifting
Except I never changed?
You can't actually defend it so you're resorting to making up a position I never held and while whining "ur indian!!!" in place of an actual argument lol

>>101728082
This fanfic brought to you by someone absolutely fuming that a cartoon character sold people some bags

>>101720823
>she milked us on Day 1!!!
God damn thats hot

>>101726039
We need some 9am takes on saba. STAT

>>101728152
>Losing the argument so badly that he's resorting to "U mad!" posting
Ogey

>>101728862
>I-I-I WEEN you LOSE
>Still sidestepping the refutation he knows he can't answer
Many such cases

>>101720625 (OP)
how is her OPSEC?
there's a 95% chance she's not going to stream after all the merch stuff and her "bday" merch which will make some schizos go apeshit and try to find her IRL after she dropped cover to amass more money than before

>>101729310
>How is her opsec
For someone of her size, pretty airtight. She even created an LLC based out of bumfuck nowhere in the midwest so she could do trademark filings for Saba merch etc. without having to reveal her real name or address.

>>101729403
in that case she can continue milking her fans as much as she wants, lucky. The only issue are irl friends/acquaintances that would sell her out. If she steers clear of people that would potentially backstab her, then she's free to do whatever with no repercussion

>>101727433
>anon doesn't know about perspective shots.

I can make a god damn midget look taller than 6 foot.

>>101729459
>>101729310
But as OP pointed out, she's not even milking us though