>stole the #1 indie titles from your oshi

>>101839539 (OP)
We SERIOUSLY need to come up for a term for """Indies""" who primarily only known for their time as corpos and using the recourses/popularity gained from their previous career to get ahead
Cuz they aren't really true indies

>>101839626
starting from that bitch that came from yt kids

>>101839626
No? I haven't seen a single *true* indie complain about them, only spergouts on 4chan who feel like they can't win their stupid console war any other way

>>101839678 (me)
not talking about moom, I don't even remember her name, just her ugly design

>>101839539 (OP)
But... Gura was my oshi

>>101839626
Yeah they are legends

>>101839678
>>101839709
CookieSwirlC? lmao
Yeah my logically honestly applies to her too considering she an ungodly amount of subs before choosing to become a vtuber
>>101839692
>No? I haven't seen a single *true* indie complain about them
No Indie with a functional brain is EVER going to complain them about cause it would functionally be career suicide
You'd both be cucking yourself out of potentially ever getting graced with a collab AND you're attract the ire of their fanbase which no doubt dwarfs your own + the fanbase of their they came from corpo (if they're still in good standing)

>>101839539 (OP)
>doesn't stream for 3+ months
Ooops.

>>101839539 (OP)
But my oshi is not an indie...

>>101839539 (OP)
>blocks your path

>>101839626
In this case it was Hololive that got ahead by hiring Gura, she has five other successful channels.

>>101843009
Cookie amassed 20 MILLION subs immediately after her vtuber debut!

>>101839626
How about postgraduates?

>>101839626
I could maybe agree with this in general, but with Saba it's the other way around. Hololive got popular because of Gura

>>101839539 (OP)

>>101843009
>blocks your path
>i push her out of the way
why do these people keep getting in my way

>>101843466
Nobody on this board is aware of Hololive because of Gura, not a single one.

So where are the streams?

>>101839539 (OP)
Mine never had it to begin with so that's fine.

>>101839539 (OP)
she achieved 1 million subs before beejoe and that's all that matters to me

>>101839539 (OP)
she can't be #1, if she isn't my oshi

>>101843574
Hololive was pretty niche before Myth blew it up into the mainstream. Facts are facts sorry bud

>>101843574
Least delusional Dravidian

>>101843509
>>101843466
>>101843783
you chumfaggots are so autistic...

>>101840033
And other such fanfics typed by brown fingers

>>101843848
>Gura caused covid
>gura was playing as miko in gta
>gura is everything in hololive

Kys

>>101839626
indieliens (normal youtubers suddenly going vtuber)

indiegrants (corpo vtuber to indie vtuber)

>>101843195
>Oh, you're counting subs gained pre-debut?
>Then you must also count non-vtuber accounts, it's simple logic anon!
How many mental illnesses have to be working synergistically to make this make sense

>>101843865
>you chumfaggots are so autistic...

>>101843574
Me

>>101843908
>Muh COVID buff, muh Miko, blah blah blah cope cope cope
Explain why Gura was launched to 1m subs in 6 weeks instead of Miko, then. Curious how the COVID buff disproportionately affected Gura more than anyone else... hmm, it's almost like there's something special about her or something...

>>101844011
predebut subs weren't vtuber accounts because they weren't posting vtuber content. People were quite literally subscribing to a dead account

If a corpo can count funneling its fans, then an indie can count their preexisting fans too.

>>101843865
>t.

>>101843908
I never heard about the Miko gta thing until after I learned about Hololive from watching Gura clips.

>>101844173
>predebut subs weren't vtuber accounts
This poor soul is living in a permanent version of Moom's last April Fools stream and it's made him go the way of the Mad Hatter

>>101839626
Just call them ex-corpo, simple, no?
>>101843378
Some of them were fired / terminated, though

>>101844131
Because Coco had everyone blueball'd for a full EN hololive star for the first half of 2020, Coco+Covid was what truly blew up hololive in 2020

>>101844173
>if a corpo can count funneling its fans, then an indie can count their pre-existing fans too
No the fuck they can't? They literally weren't originally a vtuber account. There's no comparison with a fresh vtuber account that exploded right out of the gate because of so-called "funneling" - in other words, because the vtuber is fucking big, which was our whole fucking argument from the start?
Where's the logic in this? Does growth only count by your arbitrary standards if there is NO REASON FOR IT? Or, do you just ONLY count non-vtuber subs and bots, but NOT actual fans?

Mixed feelings

On the one hand, third stream within a week, which is good.

On the other hand, it was another sub two hours yapfest where literally nothing happens.

She better stop being such a brat and make some content soon or else...nothing will happen and she'll continue to succeed despite it.

>>101844353
Then.
Why.
GURA?
In PARTICULAR?
Why is it that none of the "explanations" you're zigzagging back and forth between ever actually fucking EXPLAIN anything?
Spoiler: because it's strawgrasping and we all know it

>>101844455
>another sub two hours yapfest where literally nothing happens
and thats a good thing

>>101844437
>Where's the logic in this? Does growth only count by your arbitrary standards if there is NO REASON FOR IT? Or, do you just ONLY count non-vtuber subs and bots, but NOT actual fans?
The logic is that the argument for both is arbitrary and retarded.
For example, CookieSwirlC has been a vtuber and nothing else since transitioning to that, and you're invalidating it because... you don't like how big she was beforehand, despite gaining far more as a vtuber?

>>101844647
>"logic" that follows no syllogistic structure and whose conclusions do not follow from the stated premises
>welp, guess size and growth rates don't exist and can't be accurately described then!
>it's all just arbitrary anon, there IS no truth!
>deconstruction successful, we did it Reddit!
I fucking despise Postmodernism with every last fiber of my soul

>>101844949
Now you're getting it!
Now shut the fuck up and enjoy hags larping as anime women instead of reducing them to spreadsheets you chicken nuggett.

>>101839539 (OP)
>here's how hololive can still win!

>>101844455
>>101844619
momentum takes time.

she needs to find something to give her momentum and motivation to stream.
singing takes its toll on the vocal chords, while gaming takes time to get into.
she could do collabs but that requires reaching out (or having others reach out to her)

personally i want more singing, maybe some singing collabs and covers, but she knows which direction she's going to take, all we can do is enjoy the ride.

>>101845222
>enjoy the ride
okay now that sounds reasonable enough.

>>101839626
Who cares, they all get mogged by CookieSwirlC and Ironmouse.

>>101843195
Why not? People are talking the same about Saba.

>>101839539 (OP)
every vtuber is my oshi thus they are all #1 to me

>>101839626
they're called ex corpos, although it doesn't help that the top 'true indies' are essentially just Filian and a mexican ugandan knuckles

>>101846236
Any Knuckles thread recently on /vt/?

>>101844997
Anon, nobody hates excelbrained numbermonkeys more than me. That's because I have a functional cerebrum and don't need >muh line go up to recognize the unparalleled enormity of Saba's success - how do you go from THAT to "truth does not exist lol" pseudfaggotry?
That said, point taken about enjoying hags LARPing as anime girls, I will do that.
captcha YAHHA

>>101845852
>>101844011

>>101844647
>For example, CookieSwirlC has been a vtuber and nothing else since transitioning to that, and you're invalidating it because... you don't like how big she was beforehand, despite gaining far more as a vtuber?
let's see how far she'd make it if she made another account for her vtuber self then, I'm not invalidating that she's a vtuber, but it's disingeneous to put her at the top cause she trend hopped with her preexisting channel, it's like pewdiepie suddenly becomes a vtuber, now what? would you consider him the biggest vtuber if that was the case?

is she even streaming on twitch? she'll never make retards seethe at maximum levels unless she steals the spotlight from ironlung

>>101846236
Ex corpos should only be artists, who had their biggest grow while in a company. Someone like kyOresu, who was in a company, but had more success while indie, should still be indie.

>>101839626
>We SERIOUSLY need to come up for a term for """Indies""" who primarily only known for their time as corpos and using the recourses/popularity gained from their previous career to get ahead
>Cuz they aren't really true indies
Anon, much like Moom. They both started as indies so technically they are true indies.

>>101839626
they're called traitors and should be shot

>>101847680
You jest, yet many of a yellow/brown complexion believe this unironically

Wasn't she already the #1 indie vtuber as Senzawa back in the day? Was there anyone else close to her numbers?

>>101847856
Yeah, a few people.
Shachi was one.

>>101839626
>indie-convert?

>>101844455
Nothing wrong with that.
Is comfy after a long day at work.
Blessed year.

>>101844455
>another sub two hours yapfest where literally nothing happens
There was a little voting tournament where we finally decided on a name for Mack's fans.

>>101839626
I'd either call them Graduates or Veterans. I'm also tempted to use the term "Prestige" based on Call of Duty nomenclature.

>>101843908

>>101843466
most of the useless, outright retarded normalfag niggerbrained r*ddit audience came via EN (Coco) and Gura, content consoomers.
People I actually want in my community, shitposters and drawfags, usually came from nyegger or scat-sandwichcat etc.

>>101844197
>I live under a rock but am fascinated with japanese media so I'll have 4chan spoonfeed me the cool shit
you're proving my point here.

I was never a member of Gura stream but now that she is Saba and I saw her tail rigging, I just want her to slap my face with her tail. I don't know why. XD

>>101843574
That was true on /jp/, it absolutely isn't here

>>101839709
her design is alright
https://files.catbox.moe/5pjec6.png
https://files.catbox.moe/bswyfj.png
https://files.catbox.moe/tkhgfe.png
https://files.catbox.moe/kt7j6k.png
https://files.catbox.moe/nlat6a.png

>>101839626
>we need indie elitism
Do a backflip from the roof LOL

>>101846497
Nobody considers subcount the measure of a vtuber's popularity. They pretend they do if they happen to like the vtuber whose milestone they can point to but it's a meanginless distinction. What matters in being the biggest is popularity, in which case Pewdiepie's current popularity is far less than his subcount might imply, just like Gura.

>>101847616
Everyone starts as an indie, that sorta nonsense is why the term becomes meaningless and corpo-backed individuals get claimed as indie. Indie can't just mean independent or its a meaningless distinction. Radiohead or some other giant group leaving their big label doesn't then make them "indie" and any attempt at pretending it does makes the word worthless.

>>101846443
This is really pathetic cope though. CookieSwirlC grew a Gura or two in subs after becoming a vtuber.
Trying to find the exact inclusion criteria and the exact exclusion criteria just to be number one means that you're not really the best at anything.

>>101839626
Either ex-corpo or indie+

>>101850338
>the forehead keeps getting bigger
she's getting smarter!

>>101850474
By the 10th iteration, we'll have a forehead only Vtuber.

>>101846497
Taking you completely seriously and genuine right now, so bear with me. If you took both CookieSwirlC and Sameko Saba, their roommates, and you scrubbed their identities, gave them perfect opsec and a true indie budget, then neither would break 100k subs in all likelihood. They both benefit from previous fame, and both only got that fame initially through circumstances and luck, with only a tiny amount of talent. Neither of them are talentless, but they are causally redundant, because if it wasn't them it would have been the next random girl. Comparing Sameko Saba to literally any random female vtuber is disingenuous, because most of them could have been Gura and then you would be worshiping them instead. Which is why, even though you don't have an exact match, it is more reasonable to compare Sameko Saba to CookieSwirlC, even though CookieSwirlC is at a disadvantage due to not being associated with a big name corpo. All of CookieSwirlC's subs have to originate from her own personal effort, which is not the case for Sameko Saba who benefits from blue dorito even after graduation. That the comparison isn't completely fair doesn't mean that it's not reasonable to make that comparison though.
One day a vtuber will have a billion subs, and then what does this matter? Nobody will look back at the history books and say well this vtuber wasn't always a vtuber and this one had an unfair advantage and so on. It only matters so much now because people are invested in CookieSwirlC not being a vtuber so they can cope that the industry doesn't need to catch up.

>>101844455
>it was another sub two hours yapfest where literally nothing happens.

>>101839626
PEEEEWDIEPIE the vtuber srzzzly used to a legit corpo. then he fired his secretary, fired sive and fired sive 2. now he answers his own phone calls and his waifu edits his video. +1000 indie points.

>>101839626
Fpbp
SABA BTFO

>>101843378
postgrads

>>101839539 (OP)
She can't keep getting away with this!

>>101850663
>because most of them could have been Gura and then you would be worshiping them instead.
This is completely factually incorrect and is predicated on the false notion that Gura's popularity was influenced solely on her design alone. That's asinine, considering the reason she blew up was her inate personality, sense of humor, singing ability, and a combination of other contributing factors such as timing with Covid, being in hololive, etc.
In other words, you're a ni*ger retard and should kill yourself.

>>101843466
NTA, you're retarded. Simply look at any hololive VOD from 2020 before Gura's debut and half the chat is in English. hololive was already massively popular by the time Gura debuted. It's why she even applied to it, you fucking buffon.

>>101844352
Postgrads and dropouts

>>101839626
Senezawa had a million subs before hololive. Cope and seeth. She is the queen of vtubers. She is the chosen one, the idol that can achieve world peace.

>>101853114
sen got a million subs a few days after gura

>>101839539 (OP)
My oshi kneels