>no she is quitting because she was forced to do a loli model
>comes back
>new loli model
>names her fans "cunny bros"
it's literally because she wasn't allowed to play barbie horse adventure and had to do all the retarded hololive homework and 3 am japanese meetings and she probably heard via doki or dooby how much large indies are making vs the holo split and even if they are making less it's still probably more than enough for it to be worth it to not have to deal with cover. Bae is constantly having mental breakdowns and a bunch of JPs graduated over the same shit. even if you want to say
>cover did nothing wrong
the whole perms autism, 3am japanese meetings and general holohomework was probably annoying enough on its own

>>101858032 (OP)
>it's literally because she wasn't allowed to play barbie horse adventure
This is literally the entire reason. She requested old ps2 games, all got rejected, one manager laughed at her, and then she was gone.

>>101858082
Why do managers think they're above the talents they're managing?
Hololive is not a fast food chain, the manager is a means to an end to serve talents and infinitely less important.

>>101858032 (OP)
>no she is quitting because she was forced to do a loli model
never seen this argument before she debuted as saba, who are you arguing?

>>101859707
a lot of managers tend to have the final say. it's why you get such 'samey' content in corps, talent will want to try something different and manager shuts it down because "muh paycheck is doing something different."

>>101858082
just 1 year ago people were SO confident that despite her hiatuses, she'd never actually leave though. "she'll just collect money for doing nothing", yeah about that... lol.

>>101859781
outfit schizo

>>101859811
As an indie she probably sticks around and streams more. no holo homework, no perms bullshit, no nip autism.

>>101859781
tourist-chama...

>>101858032 (OP)
Some holoshills were trying to peddle the lie that Gura didn't like loli to make Gura look bad and somehow that absolves their corpo's sins(?)
But it failed and backfired spectacularly

>>101858032 (OP)
I don't even understand the controversy around her (or anyone) going indie. whenever you have a middleman between you and your customers, it can work while there is room for growth, but once your audience stabilizes the only way the middleman can keep growing is by eating your share. I don't know if it is good or bad, but at the end of the day the company has to deliver to it's shareholders

to some degree all agencies understand this and that's why they (to varying degrees) try to beat down their talents through busywork, harassment, sleep deprivation, legal threats, peer pressure and all the other office politics tactics. to try and induce learned helplessness so they won't ask for better contracts or go indie. anycolor does this more aggressively and effectively than cover

>>101860572
because for the longest time holo was seen as the shining city on the hill forcing the girls to behave like idols. the biggest example of this would be coco and post hololive coco being more crass or comparing some of the girls pre and post hololive.
Then cover went public and forced in the faggots and the honeymoon period was over

>>101858032 (OP)
>retarded hololive homework
she didn't record voice packs
she didn't stream
she didn't do con appearances
she didn't travel to concerts
she didn't do radio or tv appearances
she maybe released one song every couple of years
so what exactly was the homework that she was always burdened with that prevented her from doing regular activities?

>>101860572
It's simple, you just need to grasp that these people don't oshi streamers, they oshi a brand.

>>101860779
paperwork, 3 am meetings in japanese, filing for perms, multiple songs/other projects that got canceled when they were 80% done

>>101858032 (OP)
Just think, working your ass off for 2.5 years, being Cover's breadwinner, and getting little in return, but pain and added restrictions.
Would make anyone silently quit and make a song about it for the final years.

>>101860779
>voice packs
Mori, Ina, Kiara, Biboo, and CC all skipped the latest voice pack. Who cares about voice packs?

>>101858032 (OP)
Just that Cover still forces EN long 3+ hour meetings during the sleep hours says something about the company.

>>101861071
>paperwork
paperwork for what exactly?
>3 am meetings in japanese
they have 2 or 3 meeting slots, at least 5-6 hours apart
>filing for perms
they have hundreds if not thousands of games with perms already. why is she filing for new game perms when she rarely played a game more than once or twice and never finished a game on stream that was more than 3 or 4 hours long? meanwhile she was happily playing bg3 off stream.
>multiple songs/other projects that got canceled when they were 80% done
zero proof of any of this

>>101861278
in japanese. it isn't bad enough that they have 3 am meetings, but I'm pretty sure Gura and Fauna (maybe mumei too) outright said there was no point in them being there because the whole thing was in japanese and they didn't understand a word of it
hell, they did a fucking gen meeting for advent during that branch wide minecraft collab

>>101861280
>paperwork for what exactly?
idk, but the girls have mentioned it
>they have 2 or 3 meeting slots, at least 5-6 hours apart
see>>101861430, Gura and Fauna absolutely mentioned having to sit through meetings at like 3 am in japanese.
>they have hundreds if not thousands of games with perms already. why is she filing for new game perms when she rarely played a game more than once or twice and never finished a game on stream that was more than 3 or 4 hours long?
because the clearly wants to play those old games. Fauna had the same issue
>zero proof of any of this
she fucking mentioned recording some song only to be told lol no perms when she was like 80% done

>>101861430
>>101861278
>>101861474
where is the source for these supposed 3 am meetings? 3 am PDT would be 7 pm JST. why would they intentionally have meetings at 7 PM when it's not convenient for Japan either? over the past few years i've seen advent talk about going to meetings several times on stream and they've almost always been around 8 am JST and 12 pm JST, which would be between 4 and 8 PM PDT. biboo has also confirmed there's more than one meeting slot.

>>101861683
Gura's EST. It would be like a 4pm tokyo meeting

>>101859781
I'm guessing you've never seen any tourists?

>>101860661
>post hololive coco being more crass
she isn't, only newfag threadreaders think this

>>101858032 (OP)
>all the money cover spent uselessly astroturfing dead/botted chan boards could've been spent on their talents instead

>>101859781

>>101858032 (OP)
>Bae is constantly having mental breakdowns
I could care less about the lazy shark when is Bae leaving?

>>101861474
>she fucking mentioned recording some song only to be told lol no perms when she was like 80% done
Why would she start recording or practicing something before they had the perms for it? Is she retarded?

>>101861844
Saba loves the loli shit. a bunch of the girls legit like the loli shit
>>101861923
never ever, she would get deported

>>101859811
I hope you're ready to get dunked on some more when she goes back to her normal schedule in about a month.

>>101861945
they told her they had perms and then later they said lol no perms

>>101860224
>holoshills
You are really bad at this.

>>101860779
guess those sponsors magically appear

>>101858032 (OP)
>names her fans "cunny bros"
What lol really?
I never knew much about Gura, that's unexpectedly based.

>>101862744
it's
>Kaniki
or like
>crab bros
but you get the joke

>>101861192
I care
WHERES MY BIBOO JUNE BRIDE VOICE

>>101858082
Right, right, but not before milking her fans for a few more years of course. And now she's totlaly back for realsies.

>>101862778
Aha, so there's a patina of deniability.
As much cute as it is based.
I respect that even more. Good job, shork gorl.

>>101862846
it was originally going to be kani krew, but chat settled on kaniki

>>101859781
>>101859869
>outfit schizo
I have said many times that Gura loved her loli model and it was a golden ticket even in Hololive. If anything Gura might have felt guilty because she got a cute modest design compared to the extremely sleazy designs that Cover forced on Ina and Kronii. I don't think she was entirely joking when she posted on twitter that she was the number 1 fan of Gura.

>>101862155
>Saba loves the loli shit
I have doubts about who really wanted that pedobait daki but she was doing lolicon bait during her indie debut. There are financial reasons for that but after years in Hololive many fans did think Saba would dial that down.

>>101862778
>crab bros
You poor tourists

>>101863036
>I

>>101861844
>before debut

I dont listen to vtubers but i checked out Saba due to all the controversy
https://www.youtube.com/live/7Dj2_NQB7Jw?si=veisoGfg8Mxix3l3

This is quite nice. Her voice is relaxing. And she speaks english instead of Japanese. Maybe i could get into this

>>101858082
>>101858032 (OP)
AFAIK she was most upset that her MV got cancelled and she's not allowed to do karaokay.

i love the Spider Frank Sinatra song btw. absolute idol talento!

>>101862778
How is kaniki = crab boys / cunny bros

>>101863178
which board do you hail from?

>>101860915
im a /jaypee/ post and i oshimai any damn grill i want. fuck the management getting in the way.

>>101863284
learn japanese

>>101863301
Mostly /kpop/ on /mu/

>>101863387
im sorry you're gay.
how many kpoppers even speak english these days? and do they have vtubers?

>>101863387
>k-pop
I would include a derogatory reaction image, but I'm posting from the office on my work computer

>>101863474
like this?

>>101863284
kani=crab
aniki=bro

>>101863178
she's pretty based too
>>101863206
>she's not allowed to do karaokay.
what?

>>101863284
when you say it out loud it sounds like cunny. Ina did the same thing on a thumbnail where she had a shirt that said "kani" in japanese with the ToT face