Thread 101924695

This is why she left Hololive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao23unIbZtY

Ah so the shitpost begins, I wonder how many times you're going to reply to yourself before the thread sinks

I can't believe Cover was such a black company. Is there any vtuber corp that's actually based? I heard good things about Phase Connect. maybe we should watch that.

>>101924818
>shitpost
"A-chan quit Hololive because she was not satisfied with Cover" is the most logical conclusion to draw from the circumstances. Those who think otherwise are holodrone inbred retards.

the company chasing profit,instead making idol out of nobody, i feel sad too now everyone who join holo is veteran, holo didn't try to scout nobody and train them into new shion or new subaru

>>101924918
I mean, OP and the above poster obviously watched the stream, and I hope you did too, because she said why she quit. In plain words.
From her own mouth: she didn't want to be something in-between a talent and an employee, it was difficult. She wanted to be a full-time talent.

>>101925051
Biboo was a literal 2view, my guy, and Nerissa was anything but a popular veteran.

completely unrelated but i think its really funny how asian male hair is so shitty that they can only have like, 7 different hairstyles.

>>101925098
I wonder if thats why they gave nodoka her own news channel and stuff where she can do her own thing.

>>101925098
I wouldn't call A-chan a lying whore given the situation, but yeah, she's lying
>>101925124
Biboo was hired because she's Thai retarded holodrone. We could have had a real talented individual but nope, financial gain must come first

>>101925098
Well that makes sense to be honest. Like she wasn't even supposed to be a VTuber in the first place, she joined Cover as Sora's manager and later head manager. And thanks to fans' interest in her specifically, Yagoo decided to let her become the bridge between the company and the fans by giving her a model and let her run the Holo channel

And as time went by, like 7 whole years, she started to like VTubing more amd want to try it for fun, but her job is literally managing talents. Not counting Holostars, she had to manage the whole Holo management team and deal with all talents' worries. If everyone start relying on her to comfort, then who is gonna comfort her? That's why Nodoka exists, she was more than just A-chan's kouhai, she literally was the replacement so that A-chan herself can exit and play as a normal VTuber without the constant distraction from the job. Of course her job was tiring, she was literally Hololive manager

Anons who shitpost this with the "Cover black company" shit are utterly clueless and retarded. Without Yagoo and Holofans encouraging her to become a VTuber, she wouldn't even reincarnate into Rei, and no one would care about a manager leaving the company. WE created Rei. She reincarnated because WE cared about her and put her on same level as the talents

>>101925300
>she's lying
Ah, so you holoantis have reached the point where you won't even listen to what the leavers themselves have to say because it doesn't fit your narrative that Hololive is "LE EVIL COMPANY"

>>101924695 (OP)
Black company confirmed

>>101925300
What does Biboo being half-Thai have to do with anything?

>2022
>smaller working desk
>no more partition
Top kek

>>101924918
>Those who think otherwise are holodrone inbred retards.
Also all hololive fans are holodrone inbred retards.

>>101925098
>>101925318
So should I trust Rei's words or should I trust Rei's MV that clearly shows her reason for leaving was the corpo becoming focused on profit and not on talents?

>>101925377
You should ask Cover not me
Why, shortly after her debut, did they send her to Thai cons? clearly there's some connection

>>101925448
If that's what you took from her video, you're definitely retarded considering she's now pursuing profit and being a talent herself instead of supporting them.

>>101924695 (OP)
Good song but I'm so fucking tired of Yorushika's songs

>>101925479
You're the one that made the claim so I'm asking you for proof. Surely you have some, right?

>>101925448
Yeah let's just starve ourselves for the sake of talent freedom just like the fallen small corpos and idol_corp right?

If they want to be more popular, they need to grow bigger, and as they grow bigger, they need money to do so. A-chan understood that, but that would mean even more work, and after 7 long years, I would retire too if I were her

So both can be valid. It doesn't have to be A-chan vs. Cover like what you dramafags love to fantasize

>>101925530
you get that doing it for yourself is quite different than doing it for the shareholders, right?

>>101925570
Biboo was hired by Cover to broaden their current audience. HoloTH is subtly included into one talent.

>>101925651
You still haven't provided any proof

>>101924695 (OP)
Males, males everywhere. A chan was fucking intern kun, and who knows which holo did the same

>>101925645
So now Sora is the shareholders?

>>101924881
I heard Cuck Connect cucked the shit out of you.

>>101925701
A-chan fucking hated unicorns, you do realize she was a manager right? Who do you think was supporting and pushing the boys in management? She literally guested on their streams.

HOLOFAGS COME BACK FROM THE TOWER ALREADY AND RESPOND TO MY BAIT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>101925606
The MV clearly shows how much less enjoyable and more stressful the work has become for her. You could say that such is the fate of all growing corpos and in other circumstances I would agree with you but we live in a context where hololive lost 7 talents in the span of less than a year and I include that too in the equation

>>101925701
bruh, you forgot about her let/support jurard join holotori team (on twitter)

>>101925690
The burden of proof is on (you) "Why, shortly after her debut, did they send her to Thai cons?"

The connection is there and it's not of my concern

People quit companies all the time.

But fuck hololive anyway.

>>101925300
Thai people's English isn’t much better than JP's, and the ones who can just watch ID instead since the timezone lines up better. Biboo’s Thai being just barely above toddler level doesn’t help either

>>101925767
Well who the fuck is gonna expect Cover to be a happier place when Cover becomes more corporate? Cover is no longer a small agency like Phase connect where they can do literally whatever they want. They have more responsibilities and more eggshells to walk on. The fact that they are treating investors like clowns means they still haven't fully submitted to their cocks yet unlike Anycolor and they genuinely want the place to be somewhat as happy as before, which is a very daunting task

Talents left simply because they don't want to treat VTubing as a sweaty job, and if you have a problem with that then clearly you are jobless

The money is right there on the surface and it's in taking explicitly right-wing, traditional stances on issues.

>>101924881
>>101924695 (OP)
>japanese company
>shit place to work at
Water is wet.

>>101925863
>Cover is no longer like Phase connect
Phase was never anything, phaseshill

>>101924695 (OP)
Buy an ad

>>101925877
Delete this. HoloLive is great and deserves all the money I pump into overpriced merch.

>>101925300
>half thai
>doesn't speak thai
>went to thailand for the first time a few weeks ago
you are retarded.

>>101925767
Well yeah, she started when Hololive was nothing but Sora and now 7 years later it's the biggest VTuber company and has 65 talents (plus the 22 Stars members which she supported), of course it would become much more stressful

>>101925994
All the people leaving Hololive are doing so because they want you to buy more merch from them only.

>>101925767
During Hololive's Golden Period they nuked an entire branch.

>>101926022
>the biggest VTuber company
maybe if you mean the number of employees (game devs)

>>101926033
Where is my dooby merch?

>>101925863
If I were to choose between talents' happiness and the corpo's growth I'd choose the former. Simple as

>>101926059
ANYCOLOR figured that out early on and went all in on merch. As a result, their merch revenue in Q4 this year alone is almost equal to Cover's entire Q4 revenue in 2023

The suits were actually not wrong about that because merch is the direct way for Holofans to show support without 3rd parties taking the cut like Youtube and it really is money glitch for the agency. Hell just look at VShojo recently, they have talent freedom and shit, but if the merch problem can't be resolved, it will affect both the fans and the agency, and it already cost 3 members and a co-founder

What the suits were wrong is that they want to milk Cover's popularity as soon as possible by putting even more work on talents, which caused burnouts and eventually graduations. They are right that Hololive is profitable, but they should also know that it can't be profitable without talents, and they (plus Yagoo) learnt that the hard way

>make up reason to leave Hololive
>redebut a few days later
>merch ready for shilling
Fuck A-chan. Just another lazy, grifting whore. I am so fucking done.

>>101926056
holoCN was just bilibili paying to use the holo name, they were not managed by cover
they also supported psychos who wanted to murder members of actual hololive

>>101925431
kek

>>101926226
A-chan wasn't a talent, her job was to support the talent's happiness, that's what she didn't want to do anymore.

"family emergency" lmao

>>101925894
Trvth nvke

>>101926339
So it's the same thing as Niji's VirtuaReal?

>>101926392
She left over a year ago, she could've easily had a family emergency that's resolved by now which is why she waited so long to debut

>>101926226
Easy choice obviously, but it isn't that black and white because many talents aspirations are possible thanks to Cover growing larger. And that sucks.
I'd easily choose old Cover since my oshi is Mumei but that'd also doom many other talents (leading to some other graduations probably).

>>101926392
She will have a pressing case of family emergency growing inside her womb after I am done mating pressing her in that outfit alright.

>>101926392
>family emergenices can't be handle in under a year.
???
You must have a troubled family life, anon.

>>10192577
So you're just making shit up. You could've just said so, you know. No need to belabour the point.

>>101926484
Anon, you missed a digit
>>101925774

>>101924695 (OP)
>I loved my old place and will never forget how it changed my life
That one line was enough for me to ignore all the schizoposts in this thread and other baits in the future

All I got from this is that she wants to fuck Sora

>>101926570
My name is Sora by the way

>>101926566
"loved"
Past tense

There is nothing wrong in Holo Sing Se.

>>101926659
Well yeah, you wouldn't use present tense when referring to a company you used to work at

>>101924695 (OP)
>>101925407
So this is A-chan's version of Ash Again? KEK

>>101926659
You don't learn how to use past tense for past stuff esl-fag?

>>101926738
>Mental gymnastics

I don't really see why there can't be truth to both sides of the coin. The MV is an obvious allegory for Cover, but it's not framed like they're a black company or anything. They're a publically traded company, becoming more streamlined and profit focused. Then you have her growing interest in becoming a talent herself; she saw the love and popularity she was garnering as her own person. The two combined to create a situation where she just wasn't enjoying what she was doing anymore.

Damn this board is a joke now. Fucking kill it off already, people found a better place to go to actually talk about vtubers.

>>101926773
>>101926770

>>101924695 (OP)
She is a lying and greedy whore. Hololive is the only good company in the world and that is why we love them.

>>101924695 (OP)
>young men
Are these holostars?

>>101926704
There are no people in /vt/, only asylum patients.

>>101926783
>no no no NOOOO
>black company literally means being named nijisanji
>I am not falling for retarded branding, Japan and clickbaits

>>101926839
Why are you so obsessed with this image?

>>101926800
>Nooooo I need my censorship to worship my blue dorito in peace !

>>101926783
Rei made it clear that she loved her old job (flat out said out twice in different videos) so there isn't a "truth to both sides". It's just schizos trying to twist and interpret it their way like how they tried to pretend Gura's Ash Again was some sort of war declaration against Cover

>>101926886
>Gura's Ash Again was some sort of war declaration against Cover
It literally was. She has not said anything positive about hololive or cover since then.

>>101926886
>Trusts the "translators" that totally aren't holodrones under cover

>>101926886
>like how they tried to pretend Gura's Ash Again was some sort of war declaration against Cover
it was

>>101926870
I do find it funny that all Phase Connect talents besides the EN-JP hybrid lost viewers after 4chan/vt died.

>>101926886
Yes, because saying you loved a job you worked for 7 years or so can in no way mean that for 5 of them you loved it before it started to become something you weren't satisfied with. She has an intense amount of respect for the company and has a lot of good memories there. She's not going to burn that bridge.

>>101926566
Zero (0) hololive talents are following Yubari Rei. Imagine still supporting this garbage.

>working for publicly traded east asian corporation isn't fun, actually
waow...

>>101925877
>>101926734
Found the one I was looking for. Will be fun when Yubari goes full honk.

>>101927017
Ina's RM is following her

All this cope when she literally calls them HoloDEATH in her short...

>>101926916
"im finally free to do anything now as an indie" is not a grand-stand "jab" like you think it is anon

>>101926916
She hasn't said anything, positive nor negative since debuting as Saba. Stop lying through your teeth, Brownoid

>>101927159
That's a purely negative statement regarding hololive.

>>101925300
Best way to get into holo is be asian

>>101925098
>>101925448
>>101925530
>Seeing the office notices change from a warm atmosphere with lots of hand-drawn illustrations like "Ganbarou!" and "Aim to be number one in the industry" to a slogan of "Let's increase efficiency" plus a performance graph, and finally to a cold display of only performance, it was so painful that I couldn't comment in real time...
I can accept that it can't be helped, but the warmth and sparkle of the early days was too dazzling...
>I respect your strength and beauty in still choosing to "sunrise".
>Let's all make our big dreams come true...
First comment really makes it seem like it was the IPO...

>>101927182
That's a purely negative statement regarding any corpos retard (yes including your beloved Phase). Your statement implies that there is a possibility of being indie can restrict her more

>>101927315
>That's a purely negative statement regarding any corpos
No it's not because she has only experienced one.

>>101927308
Its consequences, yes. She wanted to be less of an employee and more of a talent.
Granted her family business might've forced her to quit anyway, but I think that had she transitioned into a talent she'd try to stream some more.

>>101927332
And here is where you will say that she should have joined Phase or VShojo right?

>>101927332
She is a grown woman who has had jobs both before and after her time at Cover. Stop projecting your lack of experience onto her.

How hard is it to just say "I wanted to make more money"? It's obvious when you've clearly spent months setting up little videos and debut merch. Just be honest.

>>101927363
Why would I say that you deranged paranoid retard?

>>101927385
She has not been at any other vtuber agency,

no idea who would want to watch her, shes best at MC and support but not as the main talent

>>101927400
But she has worked. You think she's too stupid to understand how things work unless she has personally experienced them?

>>101927315
comparing phase connect to hololive is really stupid, one of them is a small company the other is a big publically traded one

>>101927451
>But she has worked.
Not for any other vtuber company so her comments only apply to the one she knows.

>>101927485
>You think she's too stupid to understand how things work unless she has personally experienced them?
Since you ignored this part of the post

>>101927400
Hmm let's see. You can't say she should have joined Niji because you cannot fathom to think of that timeline. And taking her debut date into account, there really was only a handful of corpos that she could have joined and experienced corpo life, and Western corpos were even rarer, so yeah

>>101926863
I assume it's probably like one of like five images they have in a "shitposting starter pack" for their discord.

>>101925877
>Watching chuubas during the coof lockdown, enjoying the variety
>Watching them today, on the brink of burnout

>>101927509
Nope. She cannot possibly know how other vtuber companies are without being in them and even if she did her comments is still 99% about hololive and nothing else.

>>101927414
>shes best at MC
She plays MineCraft? Fuck yeah.

>>101924695 (OP)
Okay but I'm still watching Hololive

>>101924695 (OP)
Funny to see the wannabe-investors in the finance board who cannot use this to shit on Cover because they know who she is blaming her dissatisfaction on

>thread is 100% schizo posting

Please, everyone, go outside, or kys, pick one today.

>>101924818
And the marxist strikes the first reply as he tries to damage control and gaslight OP with his narratives to continue the destruction of Cover and hololive as it is his enemy in creating communism. Because, of course, communism cannot exist without the destruction of happiness. And even when you look inside, 'communism' is just envy with extra steps.

>>101927485
Either you are yoo dumb to understand that she knows how jobs work, or you think she's too dumb for it.
I'm thinking you have never held a job.

>>101927636
Her comments aren't even about hololive to begin with, you Phase-fucked shill or tard.

>>101927829
>>101927871
No matter what way you try to twist this, she is talking about hololive.

>>101926886
>I have no intent to act as if I forgot my past. It's just a treasured memory of mine
Damn, that's a really sweet message.

>>101926293
Not everyone entertains people online for free like you do.

>>101926226
but many talents are in fact ambitious and want more growth/recognition especially on the JP side

>>101927796
Your AI chatbot got all weird dude.

>>101927091
How do I get past stage 4, I've been stuck there for 10 years.

>>101926392
debuts with merch are the new standard now huh?

>>101929744
I'm at a point in my life where it's a combination of church attendance, prayer, toughing grass, no covid vax, and a strong desire to marry and breed v-tubers.

>>101925877
DELETE THIS AIIEEEE

>>101929606
imagine GAMERS under scrappy old Cover being able to book and sell out two gaming festivals/mini lives at Saitama Super Arena twice in as many years plus netting 3 solo lives at Pia Arena MM in one of those same years (with all of the merch and/or album sales that go with)

modern hololive isn't for every type of vtuber, but there are clearly those who are thriving under a bigger, more capable company

>>101929747
why wouldn't it be?

>>101926392
Do you not understand what "emergency" entails temporally?

>>101929747
What's the matter? Too scared to call her a grifter all of the sudden?

i like how okbuddy was calling her and sora a doomed yuri and im like even if we assume thats what her video is sayting there no idol agency that would let achan a manager date sora the talant can't blame hololive for that its just common sense if found out it would be a major scandal

>>101925877
>>101925300
>she's lying
Cover becoming more soulless and focused on revenue wouldn't be a shock. A lot of talents have mentioned the Cover work environment has changed over the years. The employee number has skyrocketed from 100 to 600 employees in only a few years with HoloEarth becoming a huge bloated Metaverse project. The EN branch hasn't felt stable since 2021 and while Gura burning out tends to be the focus a growing number of talents started treating Hololive like a wagie job while doing the minimum needed to stay. The cold hard truth is that a lot of talents, and managers like A-chan, didn't like the direction of the company.

>>101926750
>So this is A-chan's version of Ash Again?
Sunny feels more sad than anything that the company was now completely focused on numbers. Gura struggled to be nice when Kiara asked her that Yagoo question and there was more anger on the EN side.

>>101924881
>Is there any vtuber corp that's actually based?
He tried to fix it but took the money and ran instead

Traitors lying to make themselves look good?
Say it ain't so!

>>101930756
I don't think anyone would mad if they actually dating, they know each other before Hololive, that being said I don't think Sora ever think about A-chan in that way although I can't say the same about A-chan

>>101924695 (OP)
Many JP girls, like Marine and Suisei, have said that Hololive is not the same as when they joined. Just admit they've gone a different direction than before. Whether it's good or bad is for the talents to decide; some choose to stay, others leave.

I'm glad that A-chan is letting everyone know it was the company. Joining the other girls with the same reasons.

>>101929747
You'd be retarded to no to.

>>101932732
>Hololive is not the same as when they joined
Well, no shit. There were only a dozen staff members when Sankisei debuted. That's just stating the obvious. Hololive is astronomically bigger and more popular now, it has indeed changed.

>>101925098
>In plain words. From her own mouth
timestamp?

>>101925877
>top
Investors money being burned to build up the company. Also free covid money
>bottom
Investors want return on their money, covid money ends

>you have to bring in profits to the company if you expect them to give you a big salary/high-status position
WHAT IS THIS SLAVERY!?!?!?

>>101925877
she enjoyed the company when it was small
she got burned out when it went public and had to start chasing numbers

Its as clear as day

>>101925877
No one forced you to join Hololive. You joined the biggest vtubing company in the world, got rich/famous off of it, and now are cashing in on that fame by stabbing Hololive in the back.
The corporate world (and capitalism) is dog eat dog so you're just acting in your own financial interests just like the company did, so if you're going to do it then shut up and don't act like a victim/hero.

>>101932732
>a company is trying to make profit
Woah they would really do that?

>>101935434
this post is a good reminder that some people are genuinely too low IQ to understand the passage of time

>>101924695 (OP)
I'll trust the Japanese guy in the comments

0:09~0:27 れいさんが初配信で話していた黎明期と呼ばれていた頃の友人とのやりたい企画のやりとり
0:29~1:25 所属していた会社は当時小さな会社で出来る事は限られてたけど、それでも寝る間も惜しんで頑張っていた
1:26~2:14 ホワイトボードに書かれた時期からして2022年、色々あった会社も大きくなって上場してきた、できる事は増えたけど、何かがずれてきた
2:16~3:10 今までいろんな人たちが色々言ってきたけど、大きくなれば意見の違いもでるし人間も変化するのはどこでもある事
3:11~ 家庭の事情や方針の違いなど、色々な事を決断して新しいスタートに踏み込めたから今がある、だから過去にどんなことがあってもなかった事にしない、むしろそれを糧に再スタートする、今度はVtuberとして

>>101931584
>a jew doing anything else
Sakana is the only based one since his hires are "problematic" and chase away Blackrock funding

>>101935679
>waaaah a company is asking me to bring in profits!
She could have asked for a demotion/to be moved to a less demanding role. She didn't do that, she stabbed Hololive in the back and is now trying to profit herself. You want small niche idol feel? Go work with underground idols making minimum wage. Hololive had ambition and was a massive success, this bitch is crying that they were asking her to do her fucking job that she clawed her way towards.

>>101935851
cont: You hate the "corporate world" and "chasing profits maaaan"? Cool, go work minimum wage or whatever. You were at the top of the industry, no shit it's going to be corporatized. No one made you take this job, and you're not the fucking CEO so you don't get to determine how the business is run. Either do your job (which was easy, glamorous, and well-paid) or quietly fuck off. There is no injustice happening here.

>>101935999
you cant take the position of a cut throat corporate ladder climber then be like ''SHE BACKSTABBED HOLOLIVE'' its just business

>>101924695 (OP)
>1:40 in the video is when everything turns to shit
>7/2022 on the desk calendar
>homos debuted july 2022
You already knew this in your heart.

>>101936114
she was supportive of stars en. even called in to axel’s birthday totsu with nodoka.

>>101936105
She's a hypocrite. Hololive and Yagoo never pretended that their goal was to be niche, he always said his dream was for it to be like Disney. She's an employee at a company, do your fucking job or quietly fuck off since Hololive didn't victimize you in any way. Hololive isn't wonderful nor is it evil, A-chan is doing an underhanded thing not in leaving the company (fully her right) but in crying about it and profiting off that dishonesty. Now both her and Hololive are just businessesses, and Hololive is actually behaving in the more ethical manner.

>>101925300
>i know more than the woman who worked for cover for almost a decade.
>she's lying
You are a fucking retard of massive proportions. You should feel bad about posting something this fucking stupid on the internet

>>101935276
>female in japan
>big salary/high-status position
LOL

>>101936231
>forced to shill for homos
No wonder she left.

>>101936326
It's mind blowing how people like you can worship companies so much. You're acting like a muslim when you tell them their religion isn't true. A chan just made an honest video describing her personal experience and here you are sputtering mad because she insulted your god, the company lmao.

>>101931271
she's not lying because she didn't say anything it's just a MV either way

>>101935851
>she stabbed Hololive in the back
How so? She just telling her experience, basically says the work is getting to hard so even tho her family issue is mostly sorted out she choose to be a vtuber instead of a full time employee because she also no longer has the time which she also said she won't be very active doing streams etc

>>101925098
Proof?

>>101935412
They were chasing numbers from the start by leeching from fucking nijis, they had some retarded ideas like pushing that FPS shit with holizontal or jumping on the whole homo craze due to luxiem but that was already in the past back when A chan left and I struggle to find examples of them really chasing numbers or proffit beyond 2020 levels other than operating on a bigger scale it's not something we really see. They keep wasting money on homos including JP side that brings shit views and money.

>>101935851
where is the stabbing part? It's nothing she actually said

>>101937320
He's essentially just a religious zealot. Same as the people who love Tesla and Apple, and will dogpile you if you dare criticize their products.
The music video is actually really emotionally moving and describes how Achan is lamenting the loss of the past and the sterilization of what she used to enjoy. Instead of realizing that, anon jsut took is to mean "REE SHE'S BETRAYING YAGOO-SAMA".

>>101937394
>leeching from fucking nijis
You sounded like a nijinigger

>>101925051
You are an ESL monkey

>>101937720
Retard

>>101937320
>>101937442
She could have always asked for less pay/work, you get paid more for bringing the company more profit so why should she be getting paid the same if she's bringing in less profit? Like I said, she made a profit-seeking selfish move (turn the fame that Hololive built for her into a personal vtuber gig) and hurt Hololive, that's fine it's the nature of capitalism, but then why is she shitting on Hololive for likewise seeking profit? She's not a martyr, Hololive isn't an exploiter.

>>101937534
You're crying over some Japanese senior manager not getting her way in a company (remember the part where those evil boys at Hololive manager meeting weren't paying attention to her presentation?). Hololive is a business, profit is always the goal, if A-chan truly always wanted to be niche why did she join something that wanted to be the Disney of vtubing? Hololive made her who she is, they didn't abuse her, there's no need to cry.

maybe it is just a MV about her character quitting corporate shit to do chill cafe job

>>101937997
>why did she join something that wanted to be the Disney of vtubing
I mean she was literally the manager of the very first talent of Hololive. Wanting to become the "Disney of vtubing" came much later. You need to be less obvious.

>>101924695 (OP)
MV hints at Sora graduation if you ask me

>>101925877
>before and after Holoearth

>>101938152
It was only told to us later, you don't know what the initial discussion was. I don't know all the stuff with Hololive pre Myth but I know that by that time (5 years ago) Yagoo was already saying that. If she just wanted to work in a smol niche company why did she stick around for so long?

>>101938046
you might be on to something…

>>101938361
Also:

https://youtube.fandom.com/wiki/Tanigox
>2019
>Following this, an interview of YAGOO explaining hololive surfaced on the r/hololive subreddit, in which he introduced hololive as an idol company similar to the famous AKB48

Give that Sora debut in 2017, that's only 2 years after it was founded. So why did A-chan stick around from 2019 (when Yagoo was already explicitly comparing Hololive to AKB48) to 2024 if she just wanted to manage a niche idol company? The vision didn't change in 2024, I doubt it ever changed but clearly in 2019 it was already there.

>>101937997
She didn't shit on Hololive you retard it's the opposite she is very grateful with her job even tho it's a hardwork which also one of her reason why she chose to be a vtuber instead because it's flexible in time and she can do it in her own room whenever she wants, a changing her position is still a full time job that she needs to commute to the office etc, you smell like a falseflagger

>>101938046
it is her character lore although interesting they've lost both Shinove (the respected homo Producer) soon before A-chan the absolute legend

>>101924881
literally any american company is better to work for than a japanese company. yeah worker rights are shit in america but at least the workplace environment doesn't make you suicidal.

>>101939101
Too little workers rights and you end up with Asian sweatshops working 12 hours a day for slave wages. Too much and you end up like most of western Europe where upward mobility is non-existent and industry is becoming increasingly limited. A balance must be struck.

>>101936550
don't (you) me disgusting holopig

>>101937997
Why are you so upset about A Chan's music video? If you want to make fun of her for being naïve for not seeing this coming after Cover went public, that's one thing. But you're having this gut wrenching reaction because she dared say that Cover corp was no longer a fun working environment. You're just blindly worshipping a company and spazzing out over what you perceive as slander against it.

>>101939748
>the most logical conclusion is my own headcanon even the words from the person herself isn't true she must be lying but not me
Holy retard, which tribe are you from?

>>101939748
>>101939748
>>101939748
>>101939748

>>101925877
LINE MUST GO UP

>>101935851
Which nonholo tribe are you? You talk like a woman.

>>101924695 (OP)
Honestly, the only thing I thought when watching that MV was: this is just a company. Once the company started growing and expected its talents to act like professionals instead of students, she was the only one who couldn’t keep up.
Most people wouldn’t want to join a company where employees' faces are plastered all over the walls—it just feels like some weird family-run business.

>>101935434
Are you still gonna be singing the same tune when HoloEN is floundering while the Ex-holos are doing just fine Pebblecuck?

>>101942591
>the Ex-holos are doing just fine
Nah. All they really got was an excuse—"Well, we’re indies, so it’s okay if we lose to corpo talents." It’s not like they’re actually doing that well.
Hearing that, you’ll probably rush to pull up some chart or graph—but all you’ll see are underwhelming numbers.

>>101924695 (OP)
Honestly, this MV was a letdown. Speaking as a systems engineer, her "work environment" just looked totally normal to me. Endless meetings and having your proposals shot down? That’s basically daily life.
She probably wanted to say Cover was being bureaucratic—but if that’s the case, then so is my company.

>>101941484
Line Go Up™ is not bad, Line Must Always Go Up Ever Faster™ is.

nothing could stop her from transitioning to talent in holo. who the fuck would tell her no? yagoo? she's practically a founder.

>>101943107
Sora

>>101942823
Delusional pebbletard. Biboo the idol couldn't even beat Neuro in music, and the only ex-holo who is struggling is Dooby, an affiliate sellout. Now you are just chopping off your nose to spite your face.

>>101925300
>financial gain must come first
Today, anon learned that businesses exist to make money.

We getting up to 300 replies, aren't we

>>101924695 (OP)
That MV was pretty deep; it seems that Hololive backstabbing her wasn't what pushed her over the edge, but getting betrayed by her BFF Sora.

>>101944528
It seems that you're retarded

>>101925300
Please kill yourself as soon as possible retard.

>>101925724
He took a cheap shot and you loose your shit. Classic rage bait chump

>>101925098
that just seems like bullshit to me, she was insanely popular, if that's what she wanted there's no reason cover wouldn't have let her be a talent and rake in the cash for them. Anyone can be an office drone.

>>101927479
This. Small companies are comfortable and at times go easier on mistakes and discipline but you arent earning the same compared to a company striving to be number 1. I would say the problem is that these large companies stick to the same strategy that takes them too the top and stresses the fuck out the people who put in the most work.

>>101945221 (me)
To add modern hires that aren't apart of the journey to the top become a waste of space and money. Doing little and being paid above their contribution / share from the get go for specialised skill sets who do other tasks lazily.

>>101945157
jp companies will abuse you if they can see you do both jobs

>>101942966
She's a founder. There is a huge difference between Entrepreneurs and CEOs when it comes to end level business. Guess which one is adverse to too many risks and eventually grows stale due to bad leadership direction but grifts off popularity and marketing.

>>101942966
>>101942161
>>101945221
>arent earning the same
This issue is the company outgrew the actual people working for it. Initially it was
>we're all broke but if we work hard we can make it!
Then they actually make it! They succeed and get all the money they'll ever need. But instead of finally being able to rest or just basking in the success, they get forced to work EVEN HARDER to make more money, but for who? pie in the sky gamedev bullshit? Hundreds of paper pushers they don't even know? Different divisions of the company? Stock holders?
Why would they want to do that?
It's like you just spent years building your dream home with and then some guy comes over and says, "alright now built a hundred more of them so I can rent them out"
Yes there's investments and loans, but they MORE than paid back what they took to get started already, they don't owe anyone anything. If the company goes into debt trying to expand for no reason it's not their duty to fight to the death to make more money to support it.

Objectively the only correct move is to leave and become indie. You paid your dues, you got your popularity, now it's time to take hold of it yourself and use it for your own benefit.

>>101945478
did you also possibly think that some of these girls also wanted to do more? Or wanted to do bigger and bigger things?

Like the girls who want solo concerts or be in anime? Like I understand some girls not wanting to do that but some do anon.

>>101945478
>>101930017

>>101945641
You aren't following along with the flow of how corporates work. Without a strong leader for a project most get shot down and even then with multiple groups involved opposition and debate in meetings just wastes time and kills off the suggestions you just proposed. What you suggested aren't bad but how often the failures of bad leadership never gets punished due to established roles is stupid. You hardly hear about staff opposing managers for bad decisions after all.
It's also duplicitous when projects have bias due to their obvious appeal = potential for revenue. If you think about why Aqua bailed its clear enough for example.

>>101942966
What the fuck kind of system are you responsible for that you're trapped in endless meetings? Kinda curious as you and I have the same title, but I work in a utility and I wear so many hats and half ass all of them and purposely avoid responsibility when possible

>>101946073
He is settled for mediocrity. Many workplaces don't operate like that at all after all but hey even when its fucked up it can still be the biggest in its industry that's just how hard certain individuals can carry everyone else.

Who was the friend who left the company? Sora is still there.

>>101924695 (OP)
>>101925877
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA HOLOKEKIES???

>>101946969
They were both busy that they didn't have time to be with each other. The "friend" did not leave.

>>101947294
She specifically mentioned in her stream that someone she trusted left.

>>101947353
maybe the holostars jp manager

QRD on her debut?

A-chan was one of the founders and helped elevate hololive to its heights. She deserved a seat on the board. I think the greedy execs at cover somehow fucked her over.

I love smug Rei so much (timestamps 26:06 in her debut stream)

>>101946969
I haven't seen the clip and was just going through the catalog when i saw this, but did she say it was someone she was friends with before joining covercorp? Cause it's not like she couldn't have made new friends or anything. Hell you can check her follows and see if she follows any new accounts of the former holo members and make a guess from that.

What exactly is the incentive to stay in the company once you have enough recognition and money for you to do your own thing?
I guess certain collabs?
People say concerts but indis do that just fine, big venues too.
Hell, if you are EN or God forbid ID, you know you are more than likely just going to get shafted and your projects likely cancelled anyway.
Its certainly isn't the money either since they have to pay for all their projects themselves and then the company still takes half for their cut somehow.
So why stay once you are big enough? Chance to have a cameo in some video game or sing for an anime ED, is that it?

>>101948617
>but did she say it was someone she was friends with before joining covercorp?
No

sora was jealous that she was more popular than her.

>>101925877
>lets grow our business into the biggest vtuber corporation! Ganbatte ne!
>I can't believe corporations only care about money and KPIs!
How naive

>>101948837
Pretending Shigure Ui is an "indie" is disingenuous as fuck. She can do what she does because of all the connections she made through allying with multiple corpos.

>>101948837
It must be Japanese thing, right?
Where they foolishly have some sort of misguided loyalty to the company exploiting you, instead of being your own boss?

>>101948970
The idea that your job is exploiting you, when taken to the logical conclusion your types often openly advocate for, means every single job and organization is exploiting you. So in the end it's still all about trade-offs.

>>101948957
That's what I'm saying, look at someond like Dokibird too, she is able to make a ton of projects because of her connections she made as a corpo, but why the fuck would you even stay when is just diminishing returns after a certain point?

>>101926839
GOOD MRONING SAAAAAAAAAAAR

>>101925407
so she really was some no-name grunt with a cute voice the whole time kek, I knew it

>>101942966
Serious question, since you seem accustomed to that environment, how do you cope with incompetent dumbasses dictating your work? What's worked for me has been taking initiative often and getting the client on my side so they accept my suggestions and my boss has no choice but listen to the client, but it's not like that can work all the time, so how do you deal with fucks that don't learn or never try to improve their decisions?

>>101926839
This is what Holodrones actually think

>>101948837
They gaslight the talents into thinking they are nothing without the company, see anycolor, coer corp is just better at hiding it

>>101949084
>Join corpo
>Take advantage of the brand name to boost your popularity
>Graduate

The "indie" pipeline

>>101953627
she wasnt a talent retard

>>101927095
Well yeah because Ina is next

>>101926886
Nothing about this contradicts the video. You can have both good and bad experiences with something. Just because a place is your dream job at one point doesn't mean that it will stay that way forever.

>>101926979
If you had spent more time learning Japanese, you could have given us a translation but you're a lazy whore

>>101926886
you do realize that even if she was mistreated, worst example, she won't talk about it since holotoddlers will chinkspam her chat, social media and anyone who she works with, right? Even her saying something tame, like "I didn't like where the company was heading" or "I had conflicts with some people" will bring retards, like you, to spam her?

>>101924695 (OP)
Ex-holos really can't reincarnate without mentioning their past with hololive.

>>101956755
>Even her saying something tame
Do you even watch the stream you EOP newfag? She very much said that the job is very fun and she is very grateful for it but she also pointed out that the job is tough and there are things that she doesn't like and said that's just reality, the only retard here is (You) trying to push a narrative.

>>101957117
ETL actually, and you completely missed the point (intentionally) of my post. Read again, slowly, or ignore. Subhuman.

>>101957169
Your point is only your there will be this imaginary spam if she even saying something tame which she did but there is no spam and the reason why you said that aside from the obvious that you don't watch the stream and you're a filthy EOP newfag subhuman is to push the narrative that she isn't shitting on Hololive because she if afraid of this chinkspam, drink bleach retard

>>101957220
>I'm going to exaggerate what was implied in hopes to discredit that anon! Better call him an EOP and pretend like I know japanese too!
lol, holotroons aren't sending their best, huh

>>101957297
>exaggerate
Where is the exaggeration? You unironically said "even saying something tame will bring retards to spam her" which proven wrong and you will know it if you watch the stream
>troon out of nowhere
Is this when you got btfo'd so you just throwing random insult or your just projecting?

>101924695
>This is why she left Hololive.
define 'This', woman!

>>101924695 (OP)
>thread full of people pretending she wasn't personally begging holos for homocollabs to collab and save the BOIS and newfags falling for it

grim

>Even you...changed
What did she mean by this?

>>101959915
>Made up shit
What did anon mean by this?

Feels like a lot of motherfuckers in here havent heard this yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG1TKdgANf0
You become big corpo, you get big corpo problems, you can plug your ears and shit yourself pretending it didnt happen, but at the end of the day, like it or not, you need to treat a massive fucking billion corpo like an actual massive fucking billion corpo
Not that becoming one was a particularly good idea when things worked ok enough, but the line must go up, even if that means becoming investor cocksleeves or buying and staffing a massive fucking studio (and not only not prioritizing your own talents for it, but also CHARGING THEM TO USE IT), or gradually returning to china on the sly because surely they will not chinkout again for sure

>>101960249
>You become big corpo
More like you become black corpo

>>101925877
Do nips really print and paste analytics into the walls?

>>101959915
>>101946969
>>101943309

>>101959915
why would sora do this?

>>101926253
> the suits [...] learnt that the hard way

>>101948837
If its comfy, its fine.
If its not comfy, its not fine. Simple as.

>Rushia
menhara without long term thinking
>kson
Its either wanting to be a part time flesh streamer, or not liking the idea of meeting a quota. Or she wanted control of her merch line, or didn't like the idea of concerts
>sana
Already has a career. She streams once a fortnight
>mumei
Since nobody treated her medical issues, I guess she got to a point where she was not happy with her singing performance, or time spent travelling
>fauna
Just the travelling, or the limited game catalogue
>vesper
Did not like travelling. Not wide enough game catalogue to take the edge of his worst behavior
>magni
Wanted to be a flesh streamer

>>101953627
It's funny because Fuwamoco have already tried this and still couldn't get anyone interested in their idolshit careers.

>>101961376
>wanting to be a part time flesh streamer
she already streamed every week on mildom
>not liking the idea of meeting a quota
very obviously not a thing hololive has
>or didn't like the idea of concerts
she has organized and participated in several concerts since leaving
i think threadreaders should be quiet

>>101960365
It's just another way to put pressure on the slaves

>>101924695 (OP)
>please look at me i was in hololive once
kek everytime

>>101925877
I feel the same about Hololive A-chan. o7

>>101936650
Hololive is the exception.

>>101955973
why did she stream so much, then?