Why can't they all say they want more money?
>I'm leaving because I'm a greedy woman and I don't like the cover 50% split of profits.
This would be very honest.


>A-chan
>I need to take care of some old relatives.
>Becomes an indie vtuber

>Aqua
>I'm tired of doing idol activities
>Becomes an indie vtuber idol

>Chole
>My body is weak, i need to rest or something
>Becomes an indie vtuber

>Gura, Watson, Fauna
>Hurr management stuff
>Becomes indie and do the same exact stuff as before

they left because the magic died at hololive

working for a jp company is ass

>>102008840 (OP)
>50%
HAHAHAHAHA
Catalogfag thinks it's only 50%

>>102008941
Western companies don't have a good track record either, let's be honest here.

>>102008840 (OP)
>Why can't they all say they want more money?
Because they all said the same thing meaning something more is wrong and the money wasn't worth staying for?
>I need to take care of some old relatives.
She was gone for A LONG TIME.

>>102008999
Western agencies being shit doesn't change the fact that JP corpos are shit.

>>102008840 (OP)
Like all things in vtubing, as long as the vtuber themselves doesn't say it explicitly, 99% of the audience will pretend it's not happening even if it's obvious. The whole reason unicorns are able to exist is because they're able to ignore the fact that they're getting fucked off screen because they don't interact with men on screen.

>>102008840 (OP)
because that would make them look bad and lose fans duh

>>102008840 (OP)
>that didn't lie?
It's almost as if the corporation controls what they say while they work at the company and they can't talk about it after because of NDAs and it's also almost as if Japan have draconian laws where you can't say anything negative about corporations or you'll get your ass sued to oblivion for defamation.

>>102008840 (OP)
A-chan didn't lie. She took a leave before definitely retiring with a corporate message. That is hard to lie.
Besides, she even mentioned in her debut she did have to take care of family.

>>102009088
I forgot to add but they could literally be raped in a japanese studio and they would still get sued if they complained about it in public.

>>102008999
their indies, your point makes no sense

>>102008944
He may not know about the dreaded Niji 3%

>>102009088
This, you can't even review a product in Japan without a company trying to sue you into the dirt, that's why most reviews there are paid/sponsored

Actual corporate dystopia.

>>102009104
>>102008840 (OP)
I think OP is a baiting nijisister. Half of these vtubers explicitly mentioned management or the inability to work on Cover's schedule. Especially Fauna.

It turns out not having an English branch and expecting all of your talents to be on video calls at 4AM in the morning is a load of shit regardless of who you work for.

>>102008840 (OP)
A-chan spent a whole fucking year away from vtubing! If she was doing the money thing then she would have started streaming almost immediately! Stop using her to shitpost you fuck!

>>102008840 (OP)
>cover took 50% of achan's paycheck
Gross

Instead of talking about the past you should cherish the present moment. If you want to see change, Rei is calling for your talent.

What a myopic view of things. They don't owe the company shit. If they can make more money and ignore the corporate middlemen simultaneously they absolutely should

>>102009912
Ok gonna submit my idea of her trying to learn some super-autistic sim like Train Simulator or Flight Simulator

>>102008840 (OP)
I bet most of them don't even get more money than before. Maybe even less.

But in exchange they have way more freedom and they don't need to report every little thing to their managers/management or get told to have to do something.

>>102008840 (OP)
Women are opportunistic liars, news at 5

>>102008840 (OP)
cover had a HQ at USA
they chose the US market
the cultured changed
hire homos
pushed shit music mori
her constant yabs yet not firing?
it died and favoritism
actual good girls left
shit girls stayed

>>102009912
>wants to become the a-chan of indies
I KNEEL

Why can't they all go back?
>Sorry for posting, I eat pagpag and I don't watch or like vtubers.
This would be very honest.

>>102008840 (OP)
>I need to make an important point about old Hololive talents.
>Posts retarded rrats with obvious refutations

>>102008840 (OP)
None of them lied, though

Chloe didn't lie, she said that idol life was too much for her body and that she wanted to do something she couldn't do on Holo (work with her sister)

>>102008840 (OP)
what's greedy about not wanting middlemen parasites profiting off your hard work?

>>102008840 (OP)
>A-chan
She needs to make money now that the person she was taking for is dead and the Govt. benefits stopped.

>Aqua
Idol activities is a euphemism for fucking investors.

>Chole
Needing a rest is a euphemism for fucking investors.

>Gura, Watson, Fauna
Management stuff is a euphemism for flying to Japan to fuck investors.

>>102008840 (OP)
achan has the b
aqua never said that, she just didnt want to interact with people lol
chloe did a surgery i guess, but she always said she was after the money
the 3 last yea i guess

>>102008840 (OP)
To be fair her new model is complete and utter sex plus the thought of a mother doing this as a side gig makes me so fucking hard.

>>102008840 (OP)
None of those are lies holy fucking retard.

>>102009627
anons here have no sense of time and think 2021 was yesterday hence why they still endlessly talk in circles about shit that is years old with no self-awareness. /vt/ is a really low iq board

>>102009553
Do you seriously believe there isn’t a single reviewer in Japan?

>>102009912
The entire vtubing community, huh? I know she's ESL, but she really should've specified "in Japan."
Because if she tries to do anything westward, her options for possible partners are pretty much Brave, Twitch, or the ex-corpos, so basically just Brave.
Twitch really is its own streamer culture, and the ex-corpos means likely coming into contact with Niji's voldemort.

>>102010217
Chloe/Ruka has already made over $60K in superchats form her new channel and she's only been around for 2 months! And she doesn't have to split it with nobody!

Her sister Hinata has also made around $50K in SCs her first 2 months, so they doing well so far monetarily!

oh im out of the loop, what's her new persona?

>>102019676
Youtube takes a sizeable cut of superchats. It's a really stupid way to support your oshi.

>>102019723
>>102009912

>>102019723
i doubt the cut is big. and im not going to look it up, because i dont care.

>>102008840 (OP)
Everybody lies.

>>102008999
What western companies? We don't have western idol companies, we have record labels and talent factories but it's arguable how predatory they are in comparison.

>>102019752
It's about a third I think. Corpos usually take half of the remainder, leaving the rest for the chuuba.

Either way, Merch is generally the best value per dollar (unless Niji, where it's the worst)

>>102019723
Youtube takes 30% from Super Chats. And after that, Cover and the Talent had to split the remaining money 50/50. And that split also applied to memberships and Channel Views.
But now there's no 50/50 split for them after the YT cut!

>>102008840 (OP)
>Gura, Watson, Fauna
>Hurr management stuff
>Becomes indie and do the same exact stuff as before
nigga are you retarded
if HALF your examples are happy doing the same stuff as before but without dealing with management and behind the scenes stuff, why would >hurr management not be the problem

Kiara said they get paid in yen and then it gets converted. The yen has been doing really bad for years now. Add on top of that being outside the country as an employee of a Japanese company, so you get probably get taxed hard.

https://youtu.be/U56YJQYBBoY?si=WXW4q_BNnKynHH9r

>>102019723
Supporting your oshi isn't a speedrun faggot.

>>102020136
It's pretty clear management just doesn't value streams at all

>>102008944
NTA, but you're a stupid faggot. Not only have multiple holos explained how their channel revenue is divided, but we can literally see how much Cover pays them in their quarterly earnings reports.
Go be a brown underage shit eating tourist somewhere else.

>>102024207
the whole post just doesn't make any sense
if they can do the exact same stuff without being in hololive, what is hololive there for? if they are doing the exact same stuff, what is the complaint as a viewer? are you self-inserting as a company and lamenting the lack of a 10 year contract with non-compete clause for better ebitda or something?

>>102024573
Because the people who are doing the same stuff after quitting were never doing anything while in Hololive, they never belonged there. The people who actually do anything meaningful don't get to quit and do the same stuff.

>>102025875
so why are people so upset about them leaving if they were inconsequential, why does this thread exist
are you familiar with the parable of the fox and the grapes

>>102026110
Schrodinger's grifter
They left to do all the same things and make money, but they were worthless anyways so we never needed them. Also they're broke because they're not in X corpo anymore.

I don't think they even realize that if the streamers are able to "make more money" and get more resources without the corpo, then that's a complete and utter failure on the corpo's part. Their own allegations undermine their arguments.
Then of course there's the whole thing where they're clearly not making more money due to losing passive income but they can't seem to understand that part.

>>102019676
Yeah, but she also loses a fixed salary that cover gives, on top of losing out on merch sales seeing how she doesn't have the same logistical support to push them as hard as a corpo can.

There's also the uncertainty in the long run. She might or might not have the same, consistent support now in a year's time.

>>102008840 (OP)
Cover makes them lie, you knew this since Sana, you just decided to make up a fantasy to delude yourself, just like this thread

>>102008840 (OP)
Cover takes all of their money that’s why they need to do porn on the side to afford the bills

>>102008840 (OP)
The #1 mandate in this whole industry is to LIE to you, fucking retard, Idols, vtuber idols or not, the main product being sold is a big lie that you ARE supposed to buy.

>>102008840 (OP)
>Twisted what they said or the circumstances they were / are in
Some other anons probably already said it (or so I hope), but let me call you a faggot too

>>102008840 (OP)
Tired of Cover leeching off them with little in return.
Just think of how much Gura made for them, in return, more restrictions and cancelled requests.

>>102008840 (OP)
>Why can't they all say they want more money?
Because that's not ladylike!