According to Suisei, it's bad for your music views if you stream too much and that's why she doesn't stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXlrGSkb650

tell that to mori then

>>102090101
did you see how bad sepia and Die4you are doing....

>>102090001 (OP)
Maybe make good music then bitch

>>102090001 (OP)
She's half right in that if you want your channel to grow as a music channel, keep it to videos and don't spam streams.

>>102090001 (OP)
yes, hololive corporate is overrun by algorithmfags now. the soul is dead.

>>102090001 (OP)
not true, miko streams a lot and her music views are decent

>>102090001 (OP)
She's technically right. All potential views/algo would funnel to your music instead. That being said, Mori hasn't really been making mainstream music that much for the past year probably. She needs to make music that's easily repeatable instead of niche sounding things like the last couple ones.

>>102090001 (OP)
>MUH ALGORITHM
The telltale sign of someone washed up.

>>102090001 (OP)
What a bitch

>>102090001 (OP)
sounds like cope

How would that work? VODs get fewer views and less retention so the algorithm determines you suck?

What a retarded excuse lmao

>>102090001 (OP)
>You need to stream for EXACTLY 255 minutes a week to cause an underflow-bug
>And you should ALWAYS make sure the fourth letter in your stream title is 'B'
>And you schedule all your streams for the week at the same time while wearing green on a Tuesday...
Algotards remind me of that BF Skinner experiment where he taught pidgeons to voodoo-dance because they thought that somehow affected their randomized feeding schedule.

>>102090582
And you just know someone in the company is pretending to be expert on this subject and everyone nods along instead of taking 10 minutes per week to check analytics

This company is so cooked at this rate

>>102090001 (OP)
I'm sorry but this type of "advice" really ring hollow when coming from some who literally gets their music pushed by Youtube japan lol

>>102090001 (OP)
is she retarded? she can do literally anything she wants and it will sell out who cares what youtube does

I wonder whom should i believe random retards in this thread or someone whose job is analyze the algorithm. I mean if half of you retards talking shit here were that good at understanding the algorithm why dont you start your own consultant company.

>>102090218
With the exception of a few girls that streamed less known and retro games, most vtubers (not just hololive) have always streamed the most FOTM shit ever, because of how youtubes algo works.
There was never a "SOVL" in vtubing.

>>102090271
No they're not lol

>>102090001 (OP)
There are literally tons of channels that refuse to put their streams on their main channel and make secondary channels for them because of algorithm concerns.

>>102090001 (OP)
So does this mean the switch of holo girls and kobo to a new platform is so that they can dish out songs on their main channel and see if the algorithm picks it.

We have seen fwmc songs doing shit number and same with nerissa when she streamed consistently a week prior to her cover release. Same with koyori recent cover.

But here is the contradicting case. Gigi's cover was able to cross 500k quickly the only way to test this further is when biboo or IRys releases a new song.

>>102090001 (OP)
That's complete bullshit. She's just a whore who hates her fans. She even told them as much when they asked her for a mascot to represent them like the other girls.

>>102091113
I think there are too many things to consider like how Tomodachi or Rebellion have ridiculously amazing numbers but nothing else seems to compare.
Also if we look at the streaming demon that is Koyori, her music is seemingly doing well despite how often she streams. I feel like Suisei is finding excuses. Unless that's what her fans want more, why is she so concerned with music numbers?

>>102090001 (OP)
Nah, just excuses. She can collab on someone else's channel

>>102090934
Her job isn't to look at analytics, it's to trick retards like you to buy her shit

>>102090001 (OP)
>music
Skibbedobeeba

>>102091682
You clearly have an extremely warped perception of what doing well means. Everyone in Hololive is doing pennies in comparison to the two music channels where they don't stream.

>>102090318
Truth nuke air bursted over a civilian population

>>102090001 (OP)
I will now forever use this to defend my fish wife

>>102090001 (OP)
This doesn't make any sense.
The more content you deliver the more should the algorithm promote you.
I remember when I discovered hololive my algo was flooded with streams, clips, vods, songs from holos that streamed a ton.

>>102090582
Cargo cult

>>102090582
the only one i know they claimed to have worked was putting jak faces on thumbnails since it attracts more watchers

>>102092099
I think someone is being disingenuous or manipulative. Those music channels don't consistently have hitters and the same trend follows for most of the girls

>>102090837
this is also the same woman who called Chloe and Fauna quitters because she also fights with management just to get her projects approved (she treats Cover like a bitch because Cover knows they're done when their most marketable talent leaves them) she's either naive or a hypocrite.

>>102090001 (OP)
Yeah, that actually does seem to be in line with what we know about the YT algo. Maybe management should consider a second channel for her streams or something

>>102090001 (OP)
>it's bad for your music views if you stream too much and that's why she doesn't stream
You believe that?

>>102093525
i dunno, but i do know a reverse case. there was this vtuber from the olden days called Nanana who got famous for her King cover which was the most viewed vtuber song that time. she gained a lot of subs for that, but those subs never converted to watche her. she stayed a low 2view until she eventually graduated on her 1st anniversary.

to be fair susei never wanted to be a streamer she wants to be a singer mori for the most part likes being a streamer as well

>>102092697
I assume youtube can tell what's music and what's not (from all the fucking mixes it keeps recommending me), so it maybe prefers to recommend vods over music if you stream too much. Being said why not make a second channel for music/streaming then? She could be half coping or a bs excuse to not stream lol

That doesn't make sense. Either she's dumb or making shit up as an excuse to not stream.

It sounds stupid but Marine doesn't stream much either and her channel has been growing faster than ever with her popular music videos.

>>102094303
shorts sloppa

>>102092662
she barely releases music though

>>102090001 (OP)
by all means please the great allmighty algorithm

may the algo will buy out your merch too if you suck it hard enough

>>102090001 (OP)
>Woman abandons you when once she's wealthier and gets all your money
Why do people criticize Rental Kanojo again?

>>102094303
Marine's biggest hits happened when she was streaming regularly

>>102090001 (OP)
I remember the era of Ayame phone catalog spam threads
Feels like years ago

>>102092697
Nobody believes this, not even you. Youtube treats streams, videos, shorts and music (as in the topic videos there for copyright purposes) as completely different categories.

>>102094821
Today, Marine (#1) and Suisei (#2) combined get more views while not streaming than basically all the streaming Holo A-listers get combined. The biggest streamer who is 3rd overall (Miko) is still getting less than half of Marine.

>>102094927
If anyone is curious how Marine grew so fast, over 65% of her views come from shorts. The category of your content really does affect how the algorithm pushes it, just like how heavy streamers saw rapid growth back in 2020.

>>102090001 (OP)
Other Youtubers usually have separate channels for music and non-music, not sure why Holo doesn't do this

>>102092886
Heard of himehina?
They stream bare minimum and are doing well musically

>>102090001 (OP)
she comes up with new excuses to not stream on every stream kek
people even asked her why don't just use 2nd channel for streams then and she avoid to answer as always

Is this why Marine doesn't stream as much anymore either? Sadge

>>102092697
>The more content you deliver the more should the algorithm promote you.
That was never a case.
YouTube algorithm is like investors. It wants infinite grow. The moment you stagnante in viewership for too long is your dead sentence and it completely drops you.
Unironically Suisei is half right. If you create less content the stagnation process is less visible for the algorithm.
But it also says a lot about how she treats her audience...

>>102092886
I don't know what the hell you're talking about but you clearly have never checked on Suisei or Marine (or even Mori in her heyday). Compared to them, nobody else is "doing well". You say Koyori's music is doing well but her most popular stuff tops out at around 3-4M views. And those are some of the first songs she ever released. Marine has 3 times that on just her random most recent song from a couple months ago and her most popular songs are significant bigger than that. Suisei has a lot more songs than most people but her low-performance songs are peak-performance for many other popular Holos. The reason someone like Watame (a streaming monster) can get burned out with her lack of music success is she puts so much of herself in her music and ultimately gets not much better views than average. Miko's big songs are just beginning to pass 4M views but not yet passing 5M.

>>102090001 (OP)
Why is Suisei such a bitch?

>>102093629
Why not recommend all of it like it used to?

>>102096025
She's female. It's normal. And cute.

>>102094903
Are you a literal kid or did they just recently installed internet in your shithole?

>>102094858
It WAS years ago by now.

>>102095785
It absolutely was the case for a major part of youtube's existence when all content creators pivoted towards longer videos because the algo started favouring watchtime and retention. And the more watchtime you had the more boost your content received. It didn't matter if it was a let's play or a song.

>>102092892
I'll take things that never happened for 500. Subhuman ENcels

>>102096025
Why are you so threatened by the most powerful and influential vtuber on the planet? Oh you thought it was Gura kekekekekekeekek lel lol rofl
Delusional.

>>102090001 (OP)
What she's actually saying is that if she streams her content stops getting recommended to normies. This is normal Suisei bitchiness. She doesn't want vtuber fans. She desperately wants normie fans and to get away from vtuber fan freaks. All she has to do is create an alt channel for streams, but she isn't going to do that.

>>102091807
she does.

>>102096451
You can stop replying to yourself now subhuman

Who the fuck cares about streams anyway ? Unless it's interesting or kino games, or zatsus there's no point, and since hololive only gives perms for slop games...

>>102090001 (OP)
I like Suisei but honestly this sounds like a very convenient excuse to just be lazy

>>102090001 (OP)
entitled half-blood

>>102096644
Harry Yagoo and the Half Blood Princess

>>102092892
she's a number fag and should just go back to the SEA

>>102097126
Is that a distressed browngoloid I hear yelping about suisei's superior nipponese blood overpowering her subhuman seanigger blood to produce the most successful vtuber in history?

>>102090001 (OP)
>Suisei thinks her shit smells like roses
What else is new

>>102090001 (OP)
It's bullshit since I know other vtubers who stream 6 days a week and the algorithm still recommends me their music, and even if it were true she could simply open another channel for music only and she could promote it in her streams, at this point they are just looking for excuses not to stream.

>>102090001 (OP)
her songs are too slop for the average normal ear, holofags love that mcdonald's shit though

>>102090001 (OP)
I will never forget her Hitman stream that got me into Hololive and Vtubers but this bitch is dead to me.

We got another Gura on our hands

>>102096451
Normies will be turned off by the fact she's an anime girl. Adults in Japan may read a manga but thats it, and it's usually some manly man thing like Golgo 13 for men or the equivalent of romance novels for women.

>>102099491
Sure. She likely has a plan for that. If she can grow large enough she can drop the anime girl and all of us disgusting vtuber fans.

>>102090971
>It was never that good!
You will never understand the soul of hearing Miko say nigger on stream.

>>102090971
You aren't looking the right places then

>>102090001 (OP)
susy you just hate streaming, if you really wanted to you would just make an alt channel

>>102097429
It does though

>>102099614
Transferring over to fleshidol or singer will be tough as a lot of her fans wont transfer over. It's a difficult road if that is what she wants.

>>102101675
stop samefagging/replying to the schizo.

>>102101675
Good reading comprehension. I literally wrote that she doesn't want vtuber fans.

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what are you samefagging and sperging out this hard for? she's been streaming a lot more this year than she has for the past 2 and her music views are as good as ever not counting the obvious outlier with BBDB. calling out youtube for being retarded with its algo is normal.

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102096644
oh you're just a retard trying to salvage his dead anti thread lmfao carry on then little brownoid, this year for sure.

>>102102642
shizo

2nd channel for streaming. impossibru

>>102102642
People stopped caring about the suisei schizo like 2 years ago and all he can hope to do is reload yura's youtube channel every 5 minutes begging on his knees that he can find a new thumbnail he can make an out of context thread out of. to make matters worse, this board is fucking dead so even less people give a shit. I can hardly think of another schizo who has failed this fucking hard at his goal of making people hate someone. Don't go too hard on him or he'll cry.

>>102090001 (OP)
failed thread.

>>102102642
don't bring out facts nigger just say "suisei bad" before my /#/ lords tell me what to get angry about next.

>>102090001 (OP)
Man, imagine being a nobody grinding for years until you finally make it, and instead of being thankful for your fans and taking it easy now that you no longer have to cocksuck the algo, you decide to spite all your fans and continue to be an algo slave
I regret saviourfagging her when she was a sub-50k

>>102103117
She's been streaming more this year than ever you dumb nigger. Try to blend in properly next time.

>>102103117
lmao you fucking imbecile.

pity bump.

>>102101803
Then why isn't she graduating and debuting as a human? Just getting more views for vtuber music wont help her if she doesnt want people who will be fans of vtubers

>>102102713
Mmmhmm 2nd channel doesn't help anything if your manager cockblocks you.

>>102090001 (OP)
Is everyone in this thread clinically retarded or what

>>102099614
2002 called, they want their propaganda back

>>102090001 (OP)
hahahaha. You have to concede that she's very clever for excuses (like that time she flipped the table after getting exposed for having a bf) for how much of a lazy-ass karen she is.
I'm sure we'll get sakuna and ui talk about this too soon.