https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/28c086c6206790ffd4e33fabb1d4cf2f8bd568b9?page=2

Thirdly, there is a fundamental issue in the very design of the management structure.

At Cover Corp, an internal initiative known as the "Tea Party System" was introduced with the aim of strengthening communication with talent. Under this system, CEO Motoaki Tanigo personally holds regular meetings with affiliated VTubers to directly hear their concerns and feedback. Among fans, this has been praised as a sign of sincere management.

However, looking at it from another angle, this also suggests that the on-the-ground management system is not functioning properly. The fact that the top executive needs to individually collect feedback from the front lines strongly implies that middle management—such as managers and team leads—may not be effectively building relationships with the talent or addressing issues as they arise.

In principle, for a publicly listed company, issues at the operational level should be escalated through a hierarchical structure and addressed through the relevant departments. Yet in this case, where the CEO is taking on individual responses through the "Tea Party" approach, it raises questions about governance—specifically, what authority the frontline managers actually have and whether decision-making is properly controlled.

At a stage where management should be compensating for the vulnerabilities of a personnel-dependent model, the management itself has also become overly reliant on individuals. This is a typical organizational risk that rapidly growing startups face when trying to scale up without having fully developed governance systems in place as a listed company.

Do you guys think YAGOO's tea party system is useful?

Yeah, and we discussed the hell out of it 3-4 days ago

>>102154465 (OP)

Microsoft laying off about 9,000 employees in latest round of cuts

Japs are seething because people are done with their retarded useless bureaucracy
Nothing

>>102154465 (OP)
just like yahoo never listen to the public
look at yahoo now and then

>>102154531
Where?

>>102154465 (OP)
Whether the middle management is competent or fucking up, you want a system of checks and balances in place anyways in case a problem does come up. Given the EN graduations, this just seems reasonable to check in.

You know all this. Why did you bother making this thread OP?

>>102154465 (OP)
>Do you guys think YAGOO's tea party system is useful?
Clearly it's not

middle management absolutely is incompetent and we have enough testimony from holos to know this

however it seems like this is one of those "typical retarded japanese corp" things (and honestly western corps too, ie. it's literally a running gag that HR departments only exist as placebos half the time)
so yeah yagoo shouldn't have to do this but it sure as hell beats betting on a jp corp actually working properly some day

>>102154465 (OP)
>The fact that the top executive needs to individually collect feedback from the front lines strongly implies that middle management—such as managers and team leads—may not be effectively building relationships with the talent or addressing issues as they arise
Yeah no shit nigga. Holo lost 7 talents in 6 months, do you think Yagoo is just gonna sit there and pretend everything is still fine while letting the problem continue as is? No. That's why Yagoo has to step in so that talents can trust that Cover corp still cares for them and not just the numbers. He even admitted that there is loss of communication and trust and so building it back is his top priority

These jap analysts are so full of themselves that they believe management did no wrong and treated CEO interacting his talents like a weird king talking with his people directly. Like what's wrong with Yagoo "breaking the hierarchy"? This is modern 2025 for christ sake

>>102154690
So you admit the Tea Party thing is just a publicity stunt to ease the minds of the public and has nothing to do with employees of the company or the Holomems themselves.

The stories of the girls themselves revealed this a long time ago, with JP's telling Yagoo things that mattered a lot to them and he already knew them all. The only people who apparently use this service truly that didn't before are EN's because of their inherent Karen energy. But the whole conceit of why they allegedly hate the company so much is that they don't want to be under any Japanese authority at all or have to spend so much time in Japan so a tea party in Japan to talk with Japanese management is not a resolution to that.

>>102154465 (OP)
>Do you guys think YAGOO's tea party system is useful?
It's way too early to actually make actually make a judge call about their effectiveness since we've only really known about it existing since March at the earliest, and the girls themselves give us pretty scant details about what they're actually talking about

>>102154610
anyone who lives in reality knows that middle management is incompetent, period
tea parties might be a publicity stunt but to pretend that they're indicator of some deeper management problem specific to Cover is very disingenuous

>>102154465 (OP)
>>Do you guys think YAGOO's tea party system is useful?

NO

>>Do you guys think RIKUD system is useful?

YES!!

>>102154793
I want you to re-read my fucking reply. And did you miss the OP's thread point? Yahoo is criticizing the Tea Party for breaking the traditional hierarchy and calling it weird. When in reality, the Tea Party is a way for Yagoo to directly rebuild trust between the company and talents again

In Anycolor, you blindly believe and follow what the follow-up ordered you, and if you can't tough it out, feel free to leave. That is the traditional hierarchy shit that Yahoo expected from listed companies. But Yagoo wants Cover to be better than that, he wants the talents to believe the company's vision and believe that they can help them out in the long run. That way, talents won't leave because they volunteer to become part of Cover's goal. And who could spread Cover's vision better than the CEO himself?

>>102154465 (OP)
> skip levels, a common, healthy and modern management practice in startups are LED BAD, they break hierarchy
what a fucking retard, its a company, not the military

if anything, he should have started sooner

>>102154911
He is the OP and he doesn't understand what the article is about. He just wants to shit on hololive, Yagoo and the management at the same time by using this article.

>>102154911
Exactly, as you said, the Tea Party is a total farce that puts on an image of breaking the hiearchy because this is what the public wants to be told because they don't understand how companies work. If any genuine positive changes are happening, it's in spite of the tea parties and not actually related to them at all. Some of the ideas Yagoo has expressed that it seems were fed to him by foreign Holomems are beyond retarded and he's already known for putting his full support behind some very dumb things, he's not some god to be worshipped.

Most members have very good relationships with their managers, at these tea parties Yagoo calls in the managers who normally report to him. So the only supposedly evil people even being bypassed are theoretically some imaginary group of managers in-between these other three levels and even then they aren't really being bypassed in any real sense unless they are getting fired as a result.

>>102155045
>puts on an image of breaking the hiearchy
How does it "put on an image" when it literally does it?

Tea party with shareholders with yagoo on the cuckchair

>>102155070
You've clearly never had a job and don't even understand what a hiearchy is. A commoner getting to tell the King about their problems isn't "breaking the hiearchy". Sorry to ruin your personal fantasies but you aren't revolutionizing the world when you cry about your life to someone richer than you.

>>102155085
I pray that someday you seek help

>>102155135
>A commoner getting to tell the King about their problems isn't "breaking the hiearchy".
It literally is. They shouldn't be able to talk to the king at all, retard. YOU have never had a job and it shows.

"Chain of command" is the key word here. The fact that the CEO himself has to do this means that the management chain of command has problems.

>>102154891
>work in 15 people company
>2 workshop managers
>one of them is retarded

idiots are universal constant

>>102155164
>Still 0 argument

>>102155045
>If any genuine positive changes are happening, it's in spite of the tea parties and not actually related to them at all
This is such a disingenuous take. Yagoo let the mamagement fix the problem after losing Aqua, and yet 6 months later, they lost 5 more, with 3 refused to take the affiliate deal. It's clear nothing was fixed, so Yagoo has to step in, get the feedback from talents through this tea party and then relay it to the management directly. There is no hard proof that the tea party will fully stop the grads, but there is no proof that it made the agency worse either. You just chose to believe that Cover refuses to change for the better because it fits your retarded agenda just like those Yahoo finance boomers. The tea party is more than "just a show" (like let's be fucking real, anything released to the public is "for show" like when Riku posed himself with Selen signature), it is proof that the company listens to its employees and wants to grow WITH them, not in spite of them

>>102154465 (OP)
>At Cover Corp, an internal initiative known as the "Tea Party System" was introduced with the aim of strengthening communication with talent. Under this system, CEO Motoaki Tanigo personally holds regular meetings with affiliated VTubers to directly hear their concerns and feedback.
>Among fans, this has been praised as a sign of sincere management.
I wanna laugh. Shit is so fucked.

>Uses the same system as Weinstein
>Somehow holocucks praise this

>>102151922
You should worry about your own corpo, is they take a slice out of the 6% viewership it's over, your girls will be perma Finana

>>102155177
The King can talk to whoever the fuck he wants to. They aren't going to him, he is coming to them.

In practice your ideal scenario doesn't even make any fucking sense, it just demotes Yagoo and whoever he takes down with him to the lowest level in the chain (talent manager). Nobody has actually been skipped in the day-to-day processes. Aqua wouldn't have stayed if she could just talk to Yagoo, literally no one would have, that's absurd, you're acting like the girls who left are all literal retards.

>>102155228
>The tea party is more than "just a show"
>it is proof that the company listens to its employees and wants to grow WITH them, not in spite of them
You are not immune to basic pr tactics.

>>102154793
The only ENs who use this service are FWMC, Cover's personal dumping ground for merch on the EN side.

>>102155350
>The King can talk to whoever the fuck he wants to.
And he's not going to talk to plebs. He could, but he won't.
>your ideal scenario
The fuck are you talking about? What is my "ideal scenario"?
>you're acting like the girls who left are all literal retards.
When did I do that?
It's like you're fighting a strawman because your responses make no sense at all and you're acting like I've said things I have not said.
Next you're going to say some shit like "holodrones believe this and you're a holodrone so you believe this".

>CEO trying to take care of his company and job with it
>le bad thing
must be a slow day at the banana stall...

>>102155350
>you're acting like the girls who left are all literal retards.
they are tho....

>>102155477
>This case never happened https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Kitagawa

several holoJP talents have sexual relations with shareholders and management

>>102154465 (OP)
Does he think sports team CEOs don't talk to their players? This analysis is as stupid as a brick.

>>102155576
Cover is not a sports team. It's a media production company where the talents are equivalent to factory workers.

>>102155600
More like a franchise business where the talents are franchisees.

>>102155600
Even Nijisanji can't operate that way, no matter how much you try to devalue the talents. Cover does have its own fundamental problems, but no one wants to bring them up.

>>102155651
>the talents are franchisees.
Not exactly. They're considered just one of the people tasked for producing content for the franchise.

>>102155768
>Even Nijisanji can't operate that way, no matter how much you try to devalue the talents.
Well that's how Cover has been operating and it's what causing all of these issues. Management doesn't consider the talents vital and sees them as mere workers to order around.

>>102155514
>id
figured

and entertainment world has been full of sexpests since the 50's, what's your point?

>>102155982
Sure. It's not like I've ever seen a talent do nothing for years, and yet some evil company still lets them use the studio, spends resources on a new model, and acts like that's completely normal.

>>102155988
"What does it matter to you where I'm from?"

Semua tergantung pada nada yang ingin kamu sampaikan — netral, sinis, atau defensif. Mau disesuaikan ke konteks tertentu?

>>102155228
while not disagreeing with you, but I work for a Fortune 500 company, Every quarter, slots open up for a breakfast with the CEO, where we can discuss concerns we have regarding the company, challenges we face and areas of oppertunity we can fix. For this event, the CEO, other members of our senior leadership have a breakfast with about 10- 15 people from various departments. They have been doing this for 10+ years and various members in my deprtment and even my team have gone and not a single thing has changed. In fact, some of the things we suggested that we could fix to help with common reasons we lost customers, they went the opposite direction of and we've lost even more. These types of skip levels aren't uncommon in a corporate structure, but they rarely result in actual meaningful change. Cover is likely no exception.

>>102154465 (OP)
Yes we do it out my company and it works. The CEO meets directly with low level staff to hear their frontline experiences and get ideas on what can be improved.

>>102156052
What are you even trying to say? Nobody uses company resources when they get a new model.

>>102156432
Reminds me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKVAs2J84w8
I can't believe just how many people fall for stupid PR rallys. I get that an option with a slim chance is better than no option at all, but some people have never worked for a real corporate company and you can tell. There will always be exceptions to the rule, but to assume everything you're invested in has that exception is stupis.

>>102154793
Why did you hyper focus on nothing that he said to steer conversation? Engagement with Yagoo is important because it takes away middle managements influence as a counter check. There is a reason why permissions for many things have been going strong recently and it's called lighting a fire under middle managements ass cause downsizing looks appealing with the recent loss of talent.

>>102156432
Exactly, because if it were that exception, all the people working at the company would be fired because their job has been replaced by these meetings. At the end of the day the CEO is not the one who actually does any of the day-to-day work that the people at the bottom actually put up with. The CEO having the "power" to intervene in practice would just mean them randomly firing and replacing people based off the person who complains to them first. And this assumption that managers never complain about people below them is a little silly. I've complained to my boss' boss' boss before when I've had issues with the layers of management below him but at the end of the day, I still answer to my boss. I've also had people more than one chain of management above me who want me fired but they have been prevented by either their boss or by my boss. Frankly, some of the worst and most unprofessional managers I've ever had are those who come down a level or two below where they belong and start interfering with things they have no on-the-ground knowledge on. Normally micro-managing is considered a bad thing but if there's a tea party, suddenly it's great.

>>102156603
The myth that people quit over permissions is one of the dumbest lies anyone could actually believe. That issue, if anything, is done for the audience more than the talents (which is why they proudly announce it on Twitter for some fucking retarded reason).

>>102156432
Fortune 500 is a far cry from talent agency style retention but this does give good insight of a system is too large they freely ignore the talent they should be servicing for their own inane decision making. It all screams business power politics and the wrong people will cry foul while leeching off their position in middle management.

>>102156656
There is merit in complaints being focused on their management ineptitude at what should be considered the simplest of tasks for generating more content. Marketing plans instead of allowing talent to make the most of a game reveals the shitty situations the girls are in. But you have never been interested in people pointing out those facts because 'typical anti' Hololive number 1 in the past. The exact shit that destroyed NijisanjiEN who lurked here in their hubris.

>>102154465 (OP)
Cover is a black company and JPs are to blame for it all going to shit.

>>102154465 (OP)
>there is a fundamental issue in the very design of the management structure.
The wave of Hololive graduations means there is something wrong with middle and upper management that isn't addressing talent complaints. The Cover NDA keeps complaints hidden so they fester for years until they get angry enough to quit. 7 graduations in less than a year with signs that all of them will redebut as indie vtubers means all 7 had issues with Hololive that were never settled.

>>102155228
>talent gets to directly complain to Yagoo
>Yagoo does absolutely nothing to fix those complaints
>talent now understands that even the CEO won't do anything
This won't necessarily improve the situation in Hololive and might actually speed up some graduations. The tea parties only help if Yagoo does something different than all the other layers of management.

>>102154465 (OP)
The talents are highly valuable to Cover, so it makes sense to accommodate them. The talents are a bunch of broken menhera women. They started leaving en masse. The right thing to do is to cut out the new middle management hires and do something like the tea parties. Cover grew when it was small and talents could directly talk to Yagoo if they wanted and problems started when that changed. The real question is if the tea parties helped. Did things change inside Cover? The yahoo poster is an idiot.

>>102158021
A lot of the oldest talents from those days are the ones who take Yagoo the least seriously. The only people who seem to think they need to talk to him are foreigners.

>>102154465 (OP)
Given that it made them to finally separate HoloEN and HomoEN twitter, plus replacing the fujo intern in charge, I'd say Yagoo Tea Party at least is somewhat working. Baby steps.

>>102157795
Keeping the real reason for graduation hidden is in the best interest of most of the talent that's leaving, too. That way they can just generically say "management disagreement" even if that has nothing to do with the real reason and fans will rally behind them.
If they had some real issue for leaving they could hint at it if they really wanted, but they don't.

>>102154465 (OP)
In general companies perform their job the best when the top and bottom are directly connected, everything between them falls in the line then

>>102157795
The large amounts of graduations was 100% not festering issues, but more that the company generally said they were changing course. Yes, it isn't perfect there, but everyone jumping ship, even JP talent from random gens, was because of the focus Cover was turning to was something they weren't interested in doing. Multiple EN talent said directly that Advent and Justice were brought on board knowing exactly what was about to change and that they were trained from the start with those new goals/focus in mind. No, I don't think it's idol work because that's always been a constant. What you'll notice had increased heavily in the last 2 years is the amount of merch and corporate sponsorship streams, even for the 'lower volume' talents. Fags here will always spin this one pointing to talents who quit having debut merch, but that is a farcry from
>More meetings for merch coming out
>More recordings for merch drops and voicepacks
>More travelling for non-JP located talents
>More streams taken over by advertising
>More meetings related to those sponsorships to discuss various restrictions and wants for what should be said during them
Plus a while slew of other extra things the talents are required to keep up with as the money pile gets bigger. Some people just don't want to deal with all that horseshit and would much rather make a little bit less (or in Gura's case likely more) and have a more casual streaming experience for their fans.

>>102158418
you think being indie means less meetings and paperwork? if anything it's the opposite. they end up having to hire a personal manager because they can't keep up with all that shit by themselves.

>>102157795
>signs that all of them will redebut
That is one of the most retarded copes possible. It's also nonsensical because the ones who do redebut aren't doing anything that indicates they are more free or motivated, if anything several of them indicate the opposite.

>>102154465 (OP)
I feel like Ive heard this before. They say that they are going to do something and for few months they seem like it but then they just stop. Remember jap man thing? yeah, me neither.

>>102158538
They didn't know that, though.
It's like how Sakuna lamented that she only realized how much works an indie has to do and was stressed by that. At the start of Sakuna, she said she was just going to chill around and do things at her own pace, essentially in retirement mode. Now that jobs start rolling in (and I assume she wants to take them), the amount of work increased notably
A lot of people (including corpo VTubers and their fans) underestimates how much an indie has to work on if she wants to be big. That's why all those "just stream" threads exist.

>>102154465 (OP)
>However, looking at it from another angle, this also suggests that the on-the-ground management system is not functioning properly. The fact that the top executive needs to individually collect feedback from the front lines strongly implies that middle management—such as managers and team leads—may not be effectively building relationships with the talent or addressing issues as they arise.
just like on literally every company in the world, middle management is always fucking useless.

>>102158538
Versus working for a corporate entity like Hololive? 100%. They have more freedom and can choose what to offload to whoever they hire as a manager and can choose to seek a new on if they aren't working out. Meanwhile in Holo you have 45 merch drops you're a part of in a year likely requiring you to pay attention to them, various side projects happening that you need to work with management to get going, and a slew of other random shit you have to go get talked to about. Not to mention that for EN, a majority of these happen at terrible hours because it's during the regular workday hours for them. Then couple in multiple departments doing things and planning meetings that conflict with each other and you get crazy and stupid shit like talents suddenly having to cut streams short to go to the sudio/a meeting, complaining about how much time they spend talking to fags on the back end, etc. There's just no shot the indie life is anywhere near as bad as Holo for that

>>102154529
Your bot got the wrong script for the board. You are supposed to deflect to nijisanji on /vt/.

>>102154465 (OP)
You probably can't get perfect management. This is really just an issue of the best performers still finding room to be criticized. Meanwhile the bottom corpos think their shit don't stink and then go out of business or managers are accused of rape or kidnapping.

Rumor is that Yagoo is planning a coup and will take select members in his clique with him to create a new company that better fits his ideals

>>102158716
>They didn't know that, though.
yeah, which shows that most talent leaving is doing so because they just feel like doing so, not because of some systemic deep rooted issue at cover
>>102158754
>indies can just offload work to their manager
>corpos have to closely work together with their manager
it's the opposite nigga, when you're in a corpo they can automate things for you because they do that for a bunch of other members too, if you're dealing with a personal manager they're probably clueless and asking you for every detail
>EN has meetings at late hours
oh no, imagine the horror of a holo having to stay up late, no holo would ever do that otherwise right?

>>102158923
I swear you are absolutely retarded. I love how you'll take it as if I'm saying being a someahat successful indie is easy. Feel free to ignore the fact that basically every girl complains about stupid shit management gets them roped into all the time. Do you think they just answer a few emails and turn off their computer at the end of the day.

>>102158754
This late hours cope has never made sense. What's the proposed alternative, everyone in the world who doesn't want to be awake during job hours should just get paid anyway?

>>102158973
you're just making shit up to fill your head canon. literally everyone complains about their job, so what? I'm sure things aren't perfect at cover. your delusion is thinking that outside of cover things must be better, when it's likely that it's the opposite and achieving what they achieve would take twice as much effort when doing it from outside.

>>102155177
In theory, any Roman citizen could get audience with the emperor

>>102154465 (OP)
Can you chumpedos stop thinking about hololive for over an hour?

>>102159078
So tell me then faglord, why exactly would all of these talents talk about how there was a general change in focus with Cover that likely resulted in these talents leaving?
>Idol concerts
Nimi and Doobie put themselves into managing a concert which is arguably much harder than just going to some meetings about it and flying out to do the mocap
>Covers cut of the money
Why would Sakuna or Hinata not have merch already?
>Cover game restrictions
All of the talent have had a little more freedom, but generally stick to the bubble anyways
So, let me hear your answer, you fucking retard. If it isn't three things that have both been talked about on stream by talents, and speculated on here, what could it be?

>>102154465 (OP)
Yagoo is esentially filling A-chan's role since Nodoka doesn't really have the position inside the company to change much of anything. It can also be seen as a panicked reaction to the unprecedented (for hololive) series of graduations regardless of what had actually caused it.

>>102154465 (OP)
Get a job, anon
Many companies have this open door policy for people to complaint about their supervisors and other stuffs

>>102154465 (OP)
What it's clearly highlighting is that managament is not good at doing their job and it's been echoed so much that Yagoo is now bypassing them for the needed feedback.

>>102154465 (OP)
Nah this kind of interpretation is retarded corpo nonsense. Talking to the CEO and building a report is important, having interactions between upper management and "ground floor" staff is incredibly important, the idea that a business should adhere to a strictly hierarchal structure which at no point should be bridged is absurd and dysfunctional.

Even on the most basic level, having a face-to-face with an employee can show them they are valued by the company, and validation is a greatly undervalued currency in todays business world, but especially so in an industry where anxiety and feelings of insecurity are rife.

What fucking parasitic leeches wrote this garbage?

>>102160162
The Japanese

>>102154465 (OP)
Why are you even asking this shit here? Go to reddit or something. The only replies you're gonna get are phasepag replies.

>>102159457
Nimi and Doobie didnt manage shit, it was done by oshiSpark or whatever the name was

>>102154465 (OP)
NIJISEETHE

>>102160162
i think the point of the article is that this supposedly "good" thing is only happening NOW, implying heavily it was badly badly needed prior to now - especially since the CEO himself had to get personally involved. you don't buy that seen-on-tv flex tape if your fish tank isn't already leaking, but this doesn't help the gallons lost already (heh).

>>102160162
>report
It's rapport you fucking troglodyte.

>>102154478
I wasn't here so it didn't count

>>102159457
I've already told you but you seem to be either too stupid to comprehend or just unwilling. change of direction, disagreements with management, most of the time it's just polite nonsense to close things off without saying anything of substance, and it's in both parties interest to keep it that way.

>>102154465 (OP)
>issues at the operational level should be escalated through a hierarchical structure and addressed through the relevant departments
lol literal retard

>>102154465 (OP)
sounds like kike posturing. no big surprise.

>>102158538
Needing a boyfriend to tell you to stream isn't hard work

>>102161895
i can tell you've never had to report to a c-suit executive.

>>102162052
And yet you ignore multiple talents talkong about how things DID change and that Advent and Justice were brought on with a different set of standards/understandings than Myth and Promise.

>>102162660
wow things change in 4 years who would've thought

>>102161895
That's definitely what I had intended to type, but my fingers betrayed me.

>>102154465 (OP)
>Under this system, CEO Motoaki Tanigo personally holds regular meetings with affiliated VTubers
>AFFILIATED
Yagoo is the final, true, Teamate.

The truth is that physiogamy is real. If someone looks like an ugly weird creep on the outside, they are an ugly weird creep in their brain as well. The entire organism is a whole.
If you keep hiring ugly weird looking people you keep getting a shit result. If you ever see the management for an all-star company notice they are usually more attractive and put together than the standard employee.
The employees are also much more likely to follow a person like that.

>>102162660
you know what also changed? their motivation to work hard and their bank account balance. leaving a company once you've made a bunch of money is a normal event in the real world. for some reason you're desperately trying to make it look like it's the company's management that enacted some extraordinary policies that made them so angry that they couldn't bare to work there anymore, when there is no proof of any of this happening.

>>102163508
>there is no proof
You talked good sense until you said this. There has been plenty of proof, and while it has hardly been conclusive acting as though people with serious concerns are just making shit up is extremely dishonest.

>>102163771
for every talent saying "things changed" there's another talent saying "nothing really changed for me". it's all subjective bullshit that hides deeper motivations. of course the company has grown and some things have changed as a consequence of that but there's nothing that points to a dramatic change for the worse.

>>102163207
wow never thought about it like that but it explains why blackisanji is so awful lmao
meanwhile cover wins every day dmitri is there automatically

>>102163829
Ah, so there we go, a completely disingenuous fuckwit. Who in their right mind would try to negate people who have concerns by contrasting them with people who don't, as if the people without concerns somehow nullify the other's grievances? What a laughably moronic proposition.

>>102163876
is your IQ too low to comprehend a sentence? either management is oppressive to the talents or it's not. either things have changed or they haven't. if the problem is specific to an individual talent then they don't get to complain about cover changing direction or whatever because that would affect everyone. what might have changed is the way these talents perceive the company, which is subjective and could be influenced by many things.

>>102154465 (OP)
lol they do not want this "ceo tea party" to catch on even if it is just a PR stunt

>>102154606
we haven't see the results of the tea party yet, it still too soon. The EN and JP girls who graduated already had ther graduation set in stone and that's why Yagoo decided to speak to the talents first rather than a manager who, if we take the orc's words seriously, do not get any extra money if the talent is super active, the talent doing a lot of projects means a manager has to work way more for the same pay so they just tell you to shill and play minecraft

>>102164031
>is your IQ too low to comprehend a sentence?
Projection, and does not account for the contents of the post you replied to in any way. Utter retardation.
>either management is oppressive to the talents or it's not.
You have never once worked a day in your life, judging from this utterly infantile perspective.
>either things have changed or they haven't
Or, things have changed and that affected some more than others. Some cared, others didn't. Why the fuck am I explaining this basic-bitch infantile concept to a supposed adult?

Seriously are you trying to earn a prize for being grossly retarded, or did you just stumble your way into being a top contender?

>>102154465 (OP)
>Nooo, bureaucrats must control everything!

>>102164382
are you saying that the talents who said that things didn't change don't care about cover or hololive? or that they're outright lying? that's pretty insensitive of you.

>>102163200
Ame invented drinking tea, without which there wouldn't even be any Yagoo tea parties.

>>102164537
yes that;s typically how power structures work

>>102164207
>if we take the orc's words seriously,
>taking the words of a menhera who quit because he couldn't act like an entitled child seriously

does it matter if yagoo talks to them? fundamentally there is extra freedom, creativity and leverage in working for yourself than for a corpo, much less a JP corpo. no amount of talking and feeling heard can change the structural issues with creatives vs corporate.

seeing senpais pave the way in their exits is just going to increase the velocity of exits over time. i think future recruiting is going to try to select for members who might never leave - aka EN who really wants to live in JP and do idol stuff, and are less creative so are happy to have corpo suggest events and merch for them rather than do anything themselves. holo still has some good corporate opportunities, mlb is never gonna partner with an indie for example

most likely half of holoEN today will be gone by 2027. vtuber growth has already plateaued in the west, holoearth will still be in dev hell, and ai waifus might take market share (though i personally find it doubtful that it'll happen so soon).

>>102154606
We don't know enough about why the decisions were made to judge how much is the system's fault.

>>102154465 (OP)
>useless middle managers are the problem
Wow. Shocker.

>>102154465 (OP)
>The fact that the top executive needs to individually collect feedback from the front lines strongly implies that middle management—such as managers and team leads—may not be effectively building relationships with the talent or addressing issues as they arise.
That's about right.

>/vt/ - Corporate Bureaucracy Management Structures and Executive Operational Strategy

>>102155218
never change

>>102169020
>does it matter if yagoo talks to them?
>"Does talking directly to the CEO/your boss instead of having your opinion/concerns filtered through multiple middle-manager actually matter?"
Dumbass question lol
>fundamentally there is extra freedom, creativity and leverage in working for yourself than for a corpo, much less a JP corpo. no amount of talking and feeling heard can change the structural issues with creatives vs corporate.
In actually practice because lot of these girl have the creative expression of a sea slug, this "extra freedom" amounts literally nothing beyond doing shit they could've done while in Holo
In fact, the only Ex-Holo to really take advantage of their new found freedom outside of the company is....Kson lmao (and that freedom is being used to do IRL content)
>most likely half of holoEN today will be gone by 2027. vtuber growth has already plateaued in the west
Retards of your ilk have been peddling this same line of bullshit for close to 7 years, frankly its fucking delusional to say "vtubing has plateaued in the west" in era where they multiple vtuber concerts happening in the west through the year, something that was unthinkable just 4 years ago

This is literally the tea party system in Fire Emblem Three Houses

Christ this is dumb. Exactly the kind of retardation that I'd expect from business analysts.
The purpose of management is to filter out decision-making relevant information, but at the same time this also filters out personal connections. If you want to get a vibe of what the situation is like on the ground, you gotta go there or you end up out of touch and your talents stop giving a shit because they just interact with a sterile coroporate environment.
Fucking business majors forgetting people need to actually meet people and build actual interpersonal connections sometimes.

>>102181028
A business degree is such a waste of human resources.

>>102154465 (OP)
It'll be great if there are layoffs.
Its always common for JP companies to overemploy.

>>102181028
Most people do not expect to form a friendship with the company CEO, retard

>>102179530
it doesn't matter if there is a problem structurally with the business, and there may be a problem with the talent churn in holoEN because it's not easy to continually replace lost talent with sufficiently entertaining new talent over a long time horizon (>5 years). you are right that some of these girls have the creative expression of a sea slug, but you see a reasonable number of them leaving in the past year due to these differences. as long as they think their creativity is being stifled and the fear of striking it out alone is not great (and it has lessened significantly with the departure of mumei, fauna, amelia and gura), they will leave.

vtubing has plateaued in the west because their sub count is basically stagnant. look at cover's last earnings report, int sub count incl ID has barely moved in the last 7 quarters and basically with the departure of gura, mumei, fauna and watson the EN sub count has gone down. holo's top and bottom line numbers are up really because they're better at monetizing (e.g. concerts, IP etc), but these are supply side innovations. demand side being stagnant is what i'm referring to. and comparing things to 4 years ago is irrational, that was the covid boom and the heydays of vtubing. everyone knows that vtuber growth and attraction of new fans is slowing drastically. it's kind of like league of legends, riot just got better at monetizing the existing fanbase while the user base doesn't grow any more. if your benchmark for vtuber growth is that they make more money from the same number of fans then sure, but my benchmark is the total # of fans increases

>>102154465 (OP)
>At a stage where management should be compensating for the vulnerabilities of a personnel-dependent model, the management itself has also become overly reliant on individuals.
Yagoo's tea parties are a bandaid solution to an immediate and pressing problem. It's fine for now but the actual problem, middle and upper management, needs to be fixed as soon as possible. Like what happens if Yagoo retires or has to step down? Is the new and strange CEO supposed to keep these parties running indefinitely? Almost certainly no. They will close that pipeline, and nothing will be better or have changed.

I like the idea of the tea parties and think they should stay but I will begrudgingly admit that they are right and that Yagoo shouldn't be doing this. It's not sustainable.

>>102159078
You speak like a mindless drone who has no notion of moral integrity. Nimi and Saba make less money than she did in Hololive because one merch drop won't be enough to compete with Cover's greed anytime soon. They refused Cover's money, thus this is obviously a moral issue.

>>102154465 (OP)
Tea party is just a promotional stunt

>>102154465 (OP)
>In principle, for a publicly listed company, issues at the operational level should be escalated through a hierarchical structure and addressed through the relevant departments
lol fuck off