Can Kiara or any other EN who isn't Mori realistically get a sololive?

lol no

>>102394011 (OP)
Fuwamoco

>>102394036
Not OP but why? Is it really that expensive for hololive to set something like that up? Seems like a relatively small price to keep your talent happy

>>102394066
How many JP songs have EN girls produced? Only Irys is in a position for it but her JP crowd is small.

>>102394011 (OP)
>Can Kiara or any other EN who isn't Mori realistically get a sololive?
Yeah, it just comes down Cover willing to gather up the sponsors for and maybe having to be ok with choosing a small venue

>>102394066
it runs well into 7 figures for a sololive at a decent-sized venue. that's in USD, not yen. not the kind of money that yagoo would put down lightly.

>>102394011 (OP)
saba

>>102394011 (OP)
>Can Kiara or any other EN who isn't Mori realistically get a sololive?
Gura was likely the only EN talent that could have justified the financial cost of a sololive without funding from a music label. If they are willing to burn a lot of money there are likely several talents who could afford to pay for a sololive but it would be an extremely risky decision.

>>102394011 (OP)
Kiara could get a sololive it'd be the perfect place for goku and vegeta to fight

>>102394347
But can they make their money back?

Well I mean, 4 years ago barely anyone gave a fuck about Azki and look at her now so who the fuck knows, thing is it ain't all that crazy when you think about it but what's clear is that she has to fight for it and get a viral trend going at least once.

>>102394011 (OP)
Sololive when she graduates.

>>102394347
Kiara is not selling that shit out man lets be real, thats the actual reason she hasnt gotten it

>>102394011 (OP)
Probably Fuwamoco but sadly nobody else. Shame since Bae, IRyS, and even some of the ID girls like Risu and Ollie would do great with one.

>>102394972
Kiara could so EASILY sell out this venue where 1st Fes and Mori's and Watame's 1st Sololive were at man
It's really just matter of nobody in Cover being willing to give EN's Sololives

>>102395213(me)
forgot my pic

>>102394065
>Fuwamoco
>Solo
Anon...

All her songs are terrible.

>>102394011 (OP)
Nooooope. Lmao.
And not for the reason you think.
Showing the holothots they can have successful solo careers has proven to be detrimental to Cover recently.
So they simply will not from now on.

>>102394011 (OP)
No one would spend money to see that shit if she did get one

>>102394011 (OP)
mumei if only she didn't graduate

>>102395509
Gura easily could have too but hey, shit that could've been

>>102394066
Cover REALLY dislikes Europe and the idea of any holo doing sololive with less than five digit audience

>>102394011 (OP)
Nerissa?

>>102394011 (OP)
Bae is the only one in EN worth the time and resources for a sololive

>>102395318
Duetlive?

>>102395583
She is not selling that shit out, she built an audience of twitter tr00n homobeggars who don't watch or spend money. Her limited merch even struggled to sell out if it ever even did

>>102394011 (OP)
If they're willing to pay for the whole thing, sure.

>>102395509
Mumei would be known for the first vtuber to do a concert with an electrolarynx. Very inclusive.

>>102395674
Retard

Right now regarding discography and skills, Bae and IRyS, and while the former would be my personal choice I'm sadly not sure she could fill a venue.

>>102395983
One thing we aren't considering though is does it HAVE to be a gigantic theater?
Couldn't they fund a smaller theater like virtual vacation, fantastic reality, fantomethief, etc. or would that be "beneath" them??

>>102394011 (OP)
no

>>102395854
All you can say because it is true

>>102396082
Problem comes to the cost for the 3D equipment. Can they break even or get profit if they do it in a small venue?

>>102396172
Aye, there's the rub.
Unless it's merch'd to hell and back, a 3D concert doesn't seem like it'll ever break even. From what I've heard from some indie concerts, the money entirely comes from the merch sold on site/online rather than the tickets.

>>102394360
Doki's concert cost $50k. You're saying that a live costs a magnitude of 20x more compared to a pre-recorded concert?

>>102396226
It might not be, actually, depending on effects.
She also said that the oshispark FantomeThief concert made a lot of money for her, mint, and oshispark, though it was almost entirely from the merch. (I know I bought some of it. Wish I bought a t-shirt though.)

If okayu filled an arena then anyone in hololive can. holofags will watch anything with blue dorito.

Imagine having to plan a sololive with that narcisstic yet insecure bitch, she won't get one EVAR

>>102396323
Not really, mori managed not to sell out her venue last time.

>>102396437
by like what, less than a hundred seats or something? Looked packed to me

>>102396437
Mori sounds both her Sololive wtf you talking about?

>>102396437
Mori sold out both her Sololives wtf you talking about?

>>102396172
That is the thing. They have to fly the 3D equipment to the west. The cost is already big with that. Take into account the staff (which obviously are more expensive than hiring nip staff) and you already have ballooned the costs.

>>102396573
I unironically cannot see the problem here and they probably make it worse for themselves be insisting using their Japanese equipment or something.
You can't tell me there aren't ways to lease motion capture equipment in the fucking US of A

>>102396573
>They have to fly the 3D equipment to the west.
Then just do the show in Japan then?
It's not like most HoloEN's don't have thousands of fans in Japan who'd be willing to go see them or like >>102396323 said where people who like Holo in general will go see them regardless

>>102394011 (OP)
Doubtful, FWMC have the best chance (still low) and even then it wouldn't be SOLOlive

>>102396674
>>102394065
>hurr durr they are two
this really isn't as funny as you make it out to be.

>>102394065
See, I would have believed this during their first half year, but now they are as irrelevant as any other EN. The most they do now is be side characters in JP streams.

>>102395457
>how do we convince the "thots" they'll fail if they quit
>I know, let's make sure they'll fail if they STAY
Somehow I doubt even Cover is stupid enough to do this. But it's exactly the sort of thing their mindbroken bootlickers will believe, project onto the company they oshi, and call a good thing.

>>102395563
Dont fucking remind me. Im still angry about the fact

>>102395563
call me a contrarian or hater but I cannot see Gura doing a 2 hour show with the same drive and dedication Mori did.

>>102394066
>Is it really that expensive for hololive to set something like that up?
It’s not expensive for them because they don’t foot the bill. It’s on the talent.

>>102395318
Japs would still call this a one man live. VWP is five people and those are even still one man lives.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/D0FOJjOODD0

>>102395457
>>102396967
both of you sound more mindbroken than Holofans

>>102395563
She'd have had to put out more than 2 originals in 5 years for that.

>>102396573
>They have to fly the 3D equipment to the west.
Not really. The girls here do it all the time by just renting shit.

>>102394545
>Kiara was one of the few ENs who was nice to Nijis after their horrible self sabotage
>using a meme directed at them to get at her
Nijisisters have no shame.

>>102395983
>Right now regarding discography and skills, Bae and IRyS
They both have less viewed music (and even less spotify views) than Kiara though?
In fact if we're going strictly by views, she blows literally every name that's been mentioned in this thread so far out of the water, and it's not even close.
>Irys
>Bae (The closest, but still very much behind)
>FWMC
>Mumei
>Azki???
>Watame (Yes I know she got one, but her music still has less views)
It's very confusing to me that people act like Kiara isn't a music powerhouse by EN standards, when according to any amount of logic she is unequivocally the 2nd strongest EN in music with not much competition.

>>102395576
>Cover REALLY dislikes Europe
yeah, we noticed

>>102398044
>Anon that thought the majority of people are interested in making evidence-based, good faith arguments and not regurgitating the same tired, out-of-date talking point from 4-5 years ago
Rookie mistake

>>102398044
Cover doesn’t care about the song views. Kiara’s album/EP sold worse than AZKi, Watame, IRyS and Bae. If FWMC have an album in the future it will easily beat Kiara’s too.

>>102394011 (OP)
Nerissa and Liz, in a year or two
IRyS maybe but it would be overseas

>>102394011 (OP)
Didn’t IRyS say her new EP sold pretty well recently? I think it’s confirmed that she’s the next one getting a sololive.

>>102397639
>gee anon, maybe you shouldn't anti the girls like that
>also I don't think Cover is sabotaging their own talent to keep them as buckbroken mindslaves, don't be deranged
>"mindbroken LOL"

>>102398044
But I don't like her music aside from Sparks and well you could say Bae does the same K-pop shit but with more edge but she is also better a it instead of sounding like a weird mix of nineties pop and the former.

I don't think any of the current ENs have enough original songs to do a proper concert, and those that do, aren't very popular. Also their singing sucks. Most of them can't sing on key and it doesn't seem like Cover or the people holos hire to mix their music fix that in post production.
Forget about doing shit live, if they can't even sound good in a recording, there's no hope. Buy all the merch you want, but it's dumb that none of these retards take proper singing lessons, but they will grind dance classes for 6 hours a day everyday developing tendonitis and repetitive strain injuries.

>>102398391
That's cool but they're still small fry in comparison, the question was who can "realistically" get a sololive.

>>102395854
This must be Rissa

>>102398509
>the question was who can "realistically" get a sololive.
I mean they're talents like Mio a Sololive, then the answer is "literally anyone"

>>102398441
>They'll die from dancing
FAT FUCK detected

>>102394065
fuwamoco is technically 3 different people

>>102394011 (OP)
lol

>>102394011 (OP)
Gura can...
Oh...

>>102394011 (OP)
Kiara is too busy meeting all her fans in person

>>102394686
>get a viral trend going at least once.
Kiara tries that, usually cribbing K pop stuff, but it never reaches her normie target audience.

>>102394065
delulu

>>102395854
The worst part of it is that regardless of the fact she had near 20k karaokes near the beginning, and utterly embarrassed the trolls who said she (and then Shiori) would never get more than 20k for their 3D debuts got humbled badly, people take every single drop of blood in the water to shit on Advent, despite them being successful solo or together over and over. Definitely either people who either are seething liggers, or more likely people who desperately want Adventrix to crash out as a fanbase with how bait they feverishly bring out every few hours. Even the "she couldn't sell out" meme about Nerissa, was her missing less than a hundred of a predicted 1500-2k stock of made to order items. By herself. Its like trying to say, oh, someone only sold 990,000 of a stock of 1 million. Its dumb to say a person who pockets thousands is a failure.

>>102394011 (OP)
maybe

>>102399573
If you want that viral boost, you need to use tiktok and youtube shorts.

>>102400217

>>102394066
>relatively small price
we are talking events well above $200k in budget here, that is not a small price

especially when Cover would have to offer the opportunity to all talents equally.
Literal bankrupcy RTA

>>102399466
It's me every time with a different hat

>>102395213
Isn't the actual problem that every EN fan will hate Cover if they give EN's Sololives in Japan?

>>102398044
Free metrics are meaningless when it comes to these things, what matters are your sales and that you're not just courting a small group of whales who inflate your totals because they can't make a sololive look good on their own.

>>102398254
>IRyS and Bae
lol no

>>102401158
half of the EN fans aren't murricans and they don't care already/would even be thrilled

>>102401444
So it's just the people on this board who are apparently all Americans? Because all the EN fanbases here do (in their own generals especially) is bitch about Japan.

>>102396552
Which is crazy given the fact that it was so close to FES, so anyone willing to travel who wasn't actually rich but still had enough to drop stuff for a week or two would likely have went to that instead.

>>102394011 (OP)
>Kiara
No
>any other
Theoretically possible.

>>102398441
>Never take singing lessons.
Say hello to Kiara, Mori, Irys, Bae, Nerissa, and FWMC, who have all explicitly went to go get vocal training and openly talk about their singing lessons from time to time.

>>102400217
Sorry, not being able to sell out 2k merch when there's zero price difference between the regular package and the special package is pretty grim. I know some act like she's dead in the water or something stupid, which she isn't, but that's not a very good sign of the willingness of your fans to spend money on even the simplest things, let alone a concert you're in.
As for your comment about Advent, there's multiple factors that aren't the same that easily could have burned someone out on all of the talents barring Biboo. Nerissa has killed her karaokes and has cut back on her pretty short streaming hours already. FWMC continuously talk about wanting to do a little less on the back end so they have more time for streams and always talk about things they 'want to do' while never doing them and cutting down on hours streamed. Shiori had her "Da boiz" moment but hasn't really changed much outside of that. Just depends on if those things matter to you as a fan.

>>102401739
I don't follow the logic of your only definitive "no" being the one who objectively has better music metrics than every other EN besides Mori.
Unless your only qualify is "is in japan/willing to move to japan"

>>102401973
As someone who's been watching Kiara for a long, long time, it's more that there's a small chunk of fans who buy the shit out of her merch, spend a lot of money on her, and show up to EVERYTHING she's in. Those people are 100% going to be anywhere for her at the drop of a hat. Her general appeal is pretty small compared to quite a few other EN's, doubly so to the JP side of this if they try to do the sololives in Japan from now on for EN. Her music does do well, but she markets it well and has these challenges attached to them which help push other fanbases who would maybe have heart that she put out a song but normally be uninterested in it would watch it to try and hit goals to see their oshi.

>>102401973
Betting on the runt of a generation is a good way to lose your stake.

>>102394011 (OP)
>>102394066
It's not realistic because unless they want it in Japan and you have to take a $1,000 round trip flight, logistics in the USA suck enough that unless it's in NYC, there's no venue small enough for a conservative Sololive while also being profitable enough to lug all the equipment there and pay staff. And a Kiara show in Europe? The market doesn't even exist.
Japan gets 2,000 person shows because they have tons of small to midsized venues that are like 2 hours away by train, while the USA basically hates being able to go anywhere and has no affordable venues.

>>102402170
>that are like 2 hours away by train
Small nation with stellar infrastructure buff.

>>102402170
There are affordable venues, but they're in flyover states which means your general draw is not going to be very high and not worth keeping the cost of venue down. As for travel in the US, it's kinda hard because it's fucking HUGE. I know it's fun to dunk on the need for cars all over the US instead of using rail everywhere, but there are plenty of rail options between major cities that are within 3-4 hours driving distance. Upkeep on tracks just isn't worth it past industrial transport.

>>102402063
>runt
Non sequitur, answer this simple question:
After Mori and Gura Which EN has more successful music than Kiara?
>>102402008
> Her general appeal is pretty small compared to quite a few other EN's
The sentiment that Kiara isn't huge in EN is genuinely only an idea that can persist on /vt/ by those who've been infected by the CCV disease (Which in the last year doesn't even hold up because even there she's middle of the pack these days).
There is literally NO visible, openly public metric where Kiara isn't top 3 in EN. This entire argument seems to be divorced from observable reality.
The point that she's just "smart" with her music, 1; makes it sound like the rest of EN is retarded because they could do the same thing and 2; Does not adequately explain the extent of the difference, even a well trained smaller fanbase could not produce such a numerical advantage.

>>102402223
What can you do? Not much until the embezzling pedophiles who refuse to build trains are put to death. Until then, Japan will always have the advantage in having these kinds of shows. There's a reason Mori's first was in Japan. I think smaller EN concerts could be successful, but when facing the issue of bringing their equipment from Japan and paying Jewish Ticketmaster fees, they're kinda fucked unless it's at economy of scale.

>>102397887
Well she is a kurosanji and a phasekek supporter, so she is no different than them.

>>102402281
>part of the myth gravy train
>still only at 1.4m
Yeah, runt. I actually like Kiara, I'd just never bet on her as the foundation of an event.

>>102402358
You did not answer the question, why is that?

>>102394360
You have no idea how much it costs to rent a venue.

>>102402358
>1.4
Hello shitposter!
>>102402281
I say this as someone who's been watching for more than 4 years and just recently had his 4 year mem upgrade, she isn't that popular in the general EN sphere and since late-2021 she's lost basically anyone in the JP fan sphere who'd watch her consistently. Those CCV numbers are botted, and she's even commented on it before, multiple times in fact. She has loyal fans, she does well enough, but she wouldn't be picked for a sololive despite her ability to put out music that casuals want to hear and her ability to push/sell it.

>>102402374
Do you always pull 16 month old data?

>>102402249
Euros consider having to drive for 2 hours to be something they do for like maybe a once a year event. They have no idea the size of the us. And that's not even the whole thing, the headache my buddy had to go through to move from alaska was monumental.

>>102402374
newer data

>>102402457
>still losing to a ghost

>>102402477
You know you can just admit that she's one of the best for EN music

>>102402497
Where's the fun in that?

>>102402497
why doesn't she just move to japan with the other ENs?
>she has cats
Didn't stop her before.

>>102402530
The hell is she doing with an entire Broadway musical?

>>102402414
Just answer the question anon it's not hard, you can answer it can't you? If you don't answer the question this will be your last (you)
>>102402398
You can claim to be a fan all you want but it matters not when you've been tricked by the incoherent narratives of /vt/.
The "botted" argument doesn't stand because every EN is botted, and some moreso than Kiara, it's not seriously affecting the rankings.
>but she wouldn't be picked for a sololive
But Irys or Bae would?
And let's not even talk about fwmc, their decline in numbers as of recent is genuinely shocking.

>>102402551
>? If you don't answer the question this will be your last (you)
Suuuure.

>>102402551
I didn't say anyone would be picked for a sololive in EN. I think we're fucked and should enjoy the NYC concert if you want music/idol content specifically for EN. Hell, Kiara just did her spring concert and put a lot of effort and money into doing what was essentially a branch-wide concert for everyone. She was in all of it, but it was really cool that she was willing to do that and it was a lot of fun, plus shows she really does care a lot about EN as a whole.

>>102402551
No one with any sense would argue in favor of shit rat, but IRyS does perform better than Kiara in karaokes.

>>102400452
>>102396967
Tf are those forced-ass pics, lmao. 2023-24 completely mindbroke sisters.

>>102401334
Actually, going by data, IRyS and Bae's both sold better than Kiara's.
Surprisingly (or not?), the order goes IRyS > Bae >> Kiara, despite IRyS's views aren't as high as the other 2.
>>102401973
That's the thing. She doesn't "objectively has better music metrics than every other EN". She has better *views* - which admittedly is one of the deciding factors, but by far not the most important factor (makes sense, too, with how those "music streaming guide" KPop fans have been spreading around, views matter less and less). It's how well she can convince the sponsors (not Cover, they don't pay for solo lives) that giving her a solo live will be more profitable than giving others first and her case isn't as strong as you think.
>>102396226
Anon, we are talking about Solo live. Not a 3D live at some random con. A full out solo live. Even Marine who dropped hundreds thousands dollars on her MVs said it'd be hard for her to afford a solo live. If it's simply $50K - heck, even make it $200K, Holo members would've just paid for their own solo lives and be done with it instead of having to rely on sponsors

>>102401689
Ssorry I took a nap but yes do you think I give a rats ass about them moving to Japan? I'm not American nor Canadian and if CC or Kiara moved I wouldn't lose a timeslot or something since they already stream very late for me as somebody who has to get up at 5am daily.
It's a JP centric hobby and our EN babies work for a Japanese company, if anything the regular Japan travels get's in their way and between how many streams they can do.

>>102397333
It's not on the talents either. Several talents themselves already said it - it's up to sponsors. Talents don't (or more accurately, can't) pay for their solo lives

>>102402008
This is also seen with artists. She simply infected a few artists with the brainworm wearing her face and they keep pumping out art but overall she is way less spread in popularity than you would think from that.
Not like she is in a bad spot or anything. It's just that some holos have retarded fucking botme numbers inflated by lucky algo hits.

>>102395725
Retard

>>102401769
Kiara needs a new teacher then that's for sure

>>102402455
>making shit up

>>102403332
>Anon, we are talking about Solo live. Not a 3D live at some random con. A full out solo live. Even Marine who dropped hundreds thousands dollars on her MVs said it'd be hard for her to afford a solo live. If it's simply $50K - heck, even make it $200K, Holo members would've just paid for their own solo lives and be done with it instead of having to rely on sponsors
That explains exactly nothing.
That's like saying "A Ferrari is more expensive than a Toyota" and not giving any reasons why a Ferrari is more expensive.

>>102403332
What data do you have to show how much better the album sales were?

>>102397639
Nijiniggers are mindbroken like that

>>102394011 (OP)
No idea, but if Kiara ever does a sololive, I'm flying to Wien.

>>102394011 (OP)
>short answer
No.
>long answer
The EN talents don't have enough core fans to support solo events, and sololives cater to those fans first and foremost. The reality is that the average normalfag vtuber fan in the West has at least a handful of HoloEN talents they support, but they would not buy tickets and travel to a venue for just a single one of them. Those fans are easier to gather with full roster concerts. This is why HoloEN started having two concerts per year when even HoloJP only gets one by default.

>>102402551
>fwmc's decline is genuinely shocking

lol

>>102402455
>Euros consider having to drive for 2 hours to be something they do for like maybe a once a year event
Yes, that is why we are known for our Autobahn in Germany. We never use it.

>>102405556
I still think the sololive is a bad event design. Instead of a sololive take three talents, give them each 45 minutes to an hour then bring them all back on stage for a 15-30 minute encore. It's a lot easier to sell when you have three draws instead of one and an hour or so is still a decent set length. On top of that, the spectacle of three talents will draw in people who wouldn't necessarily be interested in any one talent's sololive. My only fear in this case is having to go sit on the can for an hour if it so happens that Cover shoehorns Bae into the same event as my oshi.

>>102406080
I want sololives, though, but that's my problem which is apparently not worth to be considered, and I can accept that. The main problem is that some EN talents want sololives themselves, so they'll forever be at an impasse with management until something changes.

>>102406080
>>102407548
Why not lean hard into the group dynamic and have them have shit like Advent LIVE or some other group correlation that they have. Like SNOT or something, but from something they have left.

>>102407579
Groups are dead as shit these days, but Myth/Promise/Advent lives are not impossible. Ina/Kronii/Shiori can be convinced into participating for the sake of the others, and the rest do have enough idol aspirations to take on an extra concert.

>>102407579
I was hoping that Holotori could have gotten one, but Cover sadly completely missed that chance.

>>102402170
>>102402249
Putting aside the fact that the EU market for vtubers is still to small. I noticed that the good things you mentioned about JP holds for EU too. Much smaller than NA so easier to travel around, a lot of small venues and most importantly, no Ticketmaster monopoly. There is potential for the future if vtubing doesn't die off before then.

>>102407579
>Why not lean hard into the group dynamic and have them have shit like Advent LIVE or some other group correlation that they have.
They do like the 5th Gen live in 2023, or Gamers Fes 1 and 2 in 2024 and 2025
It just falls back the issue of Cover not being to give EN groups do some thing similar

>>102394011 (OP)
no. just look at moona. she's completely broke just from having a regular 3d concert and is legit in debt to yagoo for the next half year

>>102394011 (OP)
Irys, FWMC maybe? They would have to beg quite a bit though and get a smaller venue prob. Liz could be a contender for one overseas but she fucked around too much.
The issue is that they would see it as part of the jp queue and there's way too many people there and just 6 solos per year. Even Kanata took like 6 years to get one.

>>102394360
You're not paying millions of dollars for a single afternoon in a low-middle sized venue lmao.

>>102411834
This
Nobody in this thread seems to understand what the purpose of having sponsors is lol

>>102398441
Pekora had to use covers and make up extra songs in a hurry, she also (even more back then) was an awful singer and dancer and she still got a sololive. Popularity is the only important thing.

>>102411779
it is an actual travesty that IRyS has not had one yet, if she gets one at all.

>>102413998
Considering IRyS is a top 3 singer in hololive it's downright criminal.

>>102395381
Some of her stuff produced by Asteroid is good but it's ruined by her shitty voice

>>102402872
One, this isn't TikTok, take your ritalin and speak proper English zoomzoom.
Two, it's a parody of a picrel made for "Nijinigger's Law", which itself was adapted from Amerimutt's Law I'm pretty sure. This format has been around for a while now. How new?

>>102412020
And literally no one in EN is popular enough at this point.

>>102395318
Japs have their own way of naming these things.
My oshi had a concert with her two friends and they literally called the thing a "one man live," despite them being three girls.

>>102405214
Kworb / Apple Store ranking, Ototoy, Oricon, Global Billboard ranking if available (technically, since only IRyS managed to land in top 10 among the 3 and it was only on her first week after BQ release). You don't get exact numbers, admittedly, but you can have a fair estimation.
>>102404801
That wasn't an attempt to explain, but just to tell you that was just how it was. I don't think anyone can explain how solo lives are expensive since no one actually knows exactly what kind of expenses are involved, and how much. We just have to accept that number since several Holo girls have said so.
Moreover, now that I think about it, are you sure that was how much Doki's concert cost in full? Because if it was organized by OshiSpark, you should keep in mind that OshiSpark could've spent a bunch on their own as well (Ashton said that she / they had to personally pay for the mocap studio, but the rest was handled by OshiSpark). I don't watch Selen, so did she say that her concert cost $50K or did she say that it cost *her* $50K?

>>102398044
Not in album sales

>>102421440
The best selling vtuber album didn't even reach 100k sales?
That's actually, unironically grim.

>>102402457
Kobo sings?

>>102396172
That is a good point. Vtuber concerts can cost more than traditional artists because they have to take into account the 3D + staff needed on top of the costs that mainstream concerts already have.

>>102421170
Aren't those rankings entirely dependent on what's coming out around them?

>>102402385
>>102411834
>ummm renting a venue is actually super cheap for Cover you guys
So you admit that Cover simply hates talents who don't pull big numbers (black company behavior). Why else would Kiara not have a sololive 5 years later?

this place can't be salvaged. retards rule the roost.

>>102421440
>Oricon
This such a DOGSHIT method to judge how well a EN's music selling
>Yea bro, lets use a chart that only track sales date, in physical retail store only, in Japan only
Just check their Spotify or Apple music instead man lol

>>102395318
sorry I mean Pero

>>102423284
What's wrong with this thread? At least people are discussing stuff

>>102425283
NTA, but it doesn't really help that most of Cover's connections and sponsors are still JP organizations. Cover US is still too new to bag any big NA sponsor (at least, we haven't seen any). If they are going to sponsor a solo live, good chances are it will happen in JP and they will pay attention to JP-related metrics
On the other hand, Apple Music might work, but Spotify (and YT views, or anything that you can listen to and rack up the stats without paying a cent) doesn't really matter much. Sponsors care about how profitable a girl is - whether she can sell the tickets and her fans will be willing to buy concert-related merch / drinks - not how much her fans are willing to loop a song for 5 times per account per day.
>>102423229
Because Cover doesn't pay for solo live and doesn't get the final call on who does or doesn't get one (I'm surprised some people still don't know this when several girls have mentioned it). They take a girl's proposal and present it to sponsors; They might provide technical and organizing supports, but it's sponsors who pay for solo lives and get the final call if a girl gets one - and yes, sponsors care about big numbers.

>>102425283
>Physical retail store only
There is a "Digital sales" column right there in the table, anon...

All this talk about album sales and Kiara released hers at the peak of GRIM times for EN when IRyS had all of cover backing her shit closer to her debut. Don’t even try to compare the two. The context isn’t even similar.

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>>102394065
I hope so, but at the rate they've done original songs it'll take them years, they'll need to drop an album sooner.

>>102428804
Where did you get that info?

>>102401869
>barring biboo
Pebbles or astroturfers have already burnt me out on ever watching her again at this point, just actually insufferable.

>>102401869
>As for your comment about Advent, there's multiple factors that aren't the same that easily could have burned someone out on all of the talents barring Biboo.
Anon, she's been getting botted almost this entire year. The few streams in recent months where she hasn't been botted, or the bots haven't hit for a while she's had less CCV than FWMC.