Why do JP bros actually watch streams?

>>102397624 (OP)
Dunno but for some reason they're the only ones who bother
I guess in Japan, being a vtuber is generally a buff, but outside of it it's a heavy nerf since grown adults don't want to watch cartoons play video games.

>>102397624 (OP)
It's because they actually stream. HoloEN and ex-HoloEN only get numbers due to a lack of competition. HoloJP pulls numbers despite heavy competition. They're not even comparable.

>>102397707
Why don't adults outside of Japan spend their free time watching cartoon girls play video games? Are there too few zoomali vtubers?

>>102397756
There's plenty of competition. Hell, there's far more competition, which is why their numbers are relatively poor. Western Vtubers aren't just competing against vtubers. They're competing against regular streamers to prove they even deserve a slot on the platform.

>>102397624 (OP)
vtubing was a passing fad in the west while it's a genuine passion in japan

>>102397707
That’s why I watch CookieSwirlC. She’s much older than me so the cringe cancels out and I just have a good time.

>>102397624 (OP)
Unironically, botted, it's all botted, this why caring about numbers is fucking pointless and retarded

>>102398016
>AIEEEEE EVERY HOLO MIST BE BOTTED NO ONE COULD POSSIBLY GET THOSE NUMBERS
Stop seething ligger

>>102397756
For every instance of "they actually stream unlike the EN vtubers" I point to the ID girls having half the CCV count even when they do stream regularly... some of them even moreso than the JP girls.
So it's not the frequency of streams but also the quality of the content and the ability to retain a captive returning audience but also the audience's tastes in what they consume. Also goes to show how awful ID is as a market to stream in and stream to: debuff language, little retention, even lower audience purchasing power.

>>102397624 (OP)
nips are too active in chat too even though they're just repeating whatever the streamer/game says

>>102397624 (OP)
>watching streams
This is ableism

>>102397624 (OP)
JP are used to consuming slop.
Basically, live alone in cubicles with not much else to do. As if they still have the COVID buff.
Not much different before, and it's like it never left.

>>102398216
Wwww
8888

>>102397624 (OP)
Unironicaly because they are way more lonely and miserable than us. They'll do whatever to numb/distract themselves from the salary man dystopia (like watch anime girls stream) and/or get a dopamine hit to keep going (spend all their savings on shitty gatcha)

>youtube numbers

>>102397624 (OP)
Korone is incredibly entertaining and streams constantly. Many others like Roboco, Choco or Riona don't get better viewership than ENs.

>>102397756
spbp

>>102397850
>anon thinks normal streamers dont exist in japan

>>102397624 (OP)
JP bros are amazing. They add so much CCV without increasing any other metric. They're like a machine, haha.

>>102397624 (OP)
There's no such thing as "JP bros". These are all bots.

>>102398418
As opposed to the rest of us who spend that time fighting online battles instead.

>>102397624 (OP)
Because their streamers stream with consistent, regular schedules, constantly seek novelty and have the acumen to entertain regardless of what they do or play.
There are ENs I like but it's hard to follow any particular EN when their schedules are eclectic and inconsistent, they take frequent long breaks or absences due to "burnout" or "japan trips" and their quality varies wildly depending entirely on whether they like the game or not.

ENs are constantly building sandcastles and kicking them down and the result is that rather than there being large, growing and dedicated viewership for each individual EN, there's just this sort of shared timezone-based audience that watches whatever EN actually bothers to fill the timeslot, but only if the game is interesting and the stream is good and the timing is convenient and there's nobody else on.

Of the ENs, I think basically only IRyS can consistently command an audience that isn't highly subject to what she's streaming and who else is on, and she absolute has been as consistent as any JP in streaming--but her timezone is too late to monopolize a huge swathe of the EN audience.

>>102399751
bait failed ! We will get them next time sista

because its dey culcha

>>102397624 (OP)
JPs are all in one timezone so they will always have an advantage in ccv. Snd yeah, the fad has faded somewhat in the west while the JPs are still interested in vtubers.

>>102397624 (OP)
The west can't produce good media anymore, anime is taking over cartoons. Jewllywood is on a free fall, JP vtubers are actually good the rest is trash.

>>102398202
The ID girls are just unpleasant. Being likable is sort of the most important thing.
>>102397624 (OP)
They stream. Regularly. I'm tired of looking to see if any has any streams scheduled on YT and seeing nothing. I'm not going to sit and hope some EN decides to stream last minute. There are basics to building any YT channel and EN doesn't do it. Watch any beginner tutorial on building a YT channel and they'll hammer how important consistency is.

The actual reason is because (some) JP members are much more fun to watch, which translates directly to ccv.

>>102405367
> ID girls are just unpleasant
This. Most of them are just unpleasant to listen to, I can sense how toxic Anya, Reine or Iofi is in real life, or how annoying Ollie would be.
The only one decent out of them is Zeta, who is cute and clumsy, but she is just boring, on par with someone like Roboco, and she gets the appropriate CCV.

>>102397624 (OP)
bots

Japan is small

>>102405367
>The ID girls are just unpleasant. Being likable is sort of the most important thing.
Ehhh, I'd argue that's absolutely not true.
The biggest reason the ID girls get poor numbers is pretty obvious: They speak Indonesian. It's no secret that all of the ID girls that blew up at some point did so while speaking english almost exclusively. (Barring Moona from the pekobuff) Just look at Hana, Reine, Risu's NNN, Ollie, etc. which all started falling as soon as they started speaking more indo again.
Michi is a perfect example of what could happen if they just... switch to being English streamers and leave ID behind.

People hate streamers who try to cater to multiple languages at once. It's offputting when people swap regularly and suddenly you can't understand a conversation.

>>102406755
Moona is one of the most boring streamers I have ever tried to watch. I have nothing against Reine, but she plays boring games. Risu is lazy and blames others for not just being given success. Ollie is unpleasant. They also male collab. I don't know Michi. Irys manages to stream in 2 languages without issue.

I watch live streams of EN and JP chuubas, I guess my mind isn't rotted by instant gratification and short form media like clipniggers are

Walk around Tokyo and you'll understand.
Subways, commercial buildings, ad trucks...
There are so many otaku ads.
There are so many ads for anime, manga, games, vtuber, real idols.
You don't see that kind of scene in New York.
For ANON, otaku is on the internet, and in real life, it is about conventions.
In Japan, there are otaku in each field amidst all the anime cartoons and manga cartoons, and vtubers use a loudspeaker to advertise to “otaku of all genres” that they are currently doing a stream of ◯◯◯◯.
That's why there are so many viewers.
Because they are presenters to the huge number of otaku in Japan, Japanese vtubers are supported by powerful sponsors.
It is impossible for phase or vshojo to reach the size of nijiholo without turning a major American city into an otaku city.
Because nijiholo is sucking up viewers like a vacuum cleaner from cities geeked out by Japanese anime and manga

>>102398347
They watch streams to show their support despite working 8am-8pm shifts, western fans barely even bother even with their better 9am-5pm schedule.

>>102397624 (OP)
The fact that even a second rate talent like korone mogs saba's numbers make me laugh

>>102407431
Before the current situation with there being almost no streams to watch I would finish work and discover the streams all happened during the day when I couldn't watch. That was one thing Fauina got right. She streamed a bit early, but she had a timeslot you could rely on and plan around. Now EN just streams whenever they want and they expect fans to just magically adjust their schedules. They don't even put up stream reservations 12 hours ahead so you can try to plan. You just randomly get a stream when they feel like it.

>>102407629
This shit pisses me off so much.
Not having a consistent schedule, or even significant warning before a stream makes it impossible to plan around shit.

>>102397624 (OP)
Probably helps that they're all in the same time zone

>>102398053
All streams are botted, these platforms are all boosting themselves for appeal for advertisers

>>102408210
Relax chumkek. We know you buy bots for Saba

>>102407666
That's one area Gigi's really excelled. JP arcs notwithstanding, she always had a schedule up on Sunday or, at worst, Monday, almost always streamed at 2pm Pacific when solo (and 1pm for Autofister), and reliably only took Sundays off. Even while in Japan, she's had preliminary schedules set up when she knows ahead of time she'll be free, and also kept to only an hour or two after her regular time slot.

>>102405764
i think all being in a single timezone helps

>>102409089
Damn, that's really respectable. Wish more were like her.

Check it out!
This weekend for the entirety of the weekend we have:
Mori with Jump King on Saturday prime-time!
Ina and Irys with a JP collab at an early timeslot on Saturday!
Biboo playing Lies of P on Friday at prime-time!
And to round it all out, a shill stream on Friday with Mori, Bae and Irys at prime-time!
Stunning, spectacular, amazing!

>>102397624 (OP)
Are you for real? Vtuber is fucking disgusting. I love them but the public reception is that only the lowest scum watch them. Just look into reddit threads when saba debuted. Extreme negative public reception even among low classes like anime watcher and manga reader. English only had decent number because it had a large base. Overwhelming percentage of english speaker consider watching vtuber as same as wearing fur suits.

>>102409206
Wrong. That's just what you know about. If you sit and wait patiently you may get surprise streams!

>>102409457
If the three girls I like aren't streaming, it might as well be over for the weekend, and that's a pretty hard feat given 2 of them have some of the highest stream hours in EN and the third used to do really well but fucked their channel and output up majorly in the last year. This weekend isn't the first time either. The last 3-4 months has had weekends like this often.

>>102409089
Why the past tense?

>>102408210
This

>>102397624 (OP)
vtubing is well vtubing in Japan, is its own thing with its own idiosyncrasies. In the US, vtubing is largely seen as streaming with a virtual mask on.

>>102409380
>Just look into reddit threads when saba debuted
What a big shock normies didn't like the pedophile vtuber who panders to pedophiles. Maybe if you watched chuubas who look like adult women, such as korone, you'd get less weird looks.

>>102410970
No deep meaning to it, I just didn't put much thought into my specific tense/mood/aspect. That said, she is in the middle of the big JP arc so most of those were things she did before and will certainly do again once she returns, but is not currently doing.

>>102398016
>>102405764
>>102408210
/thread. retards need to just open the live chat, see 1298301983 botted emotes, and think "HRM that's a bit strange"

>>102407027
>IRyS manages to stream in 2 languages without issue
haha yeah...............

>>102405231
>JP vtubers are actually good
lmao no they're fucking not
the only good vtubers are american indies

>>102405538
you've been brainwashed into thinking that they must be good just because they have a high (botted) ccv

>>102413108
*Canadian indies

>>102397624 (OP)
because they have streams to watch, EN(-Biboo) would never

>>102413958
The last 3-4 months has been dogshit for Kiara, who used to be super consistant and stream a lot of long hours. Gigi flipped her channel to pure shill before and durimg the Jp trip and now every week is stream???. Two of the three I watch killed their streaming hours at the same time meaning for me there's jack shit to watch. The third has been in the shitter since fall last year.

>>102397624 (OP)
>tv sucks
>anime worth watching starts at midnight

>>102401405
>consistency
You might be spot on, actually
I watch 2 JP chuubas, one who streams every weekend without fail, and another who doesn't have a consistent stream schedule but is very active in the community
The latter vtuber I barely get to watch because sometimes I already have something else planned, and the former I actually clear my schedule just to be able to watch since she's always on at the same time, every week

>>102397624 (OP)
It's because JP bros are mentally ill people, but not as much as EN and ID anons.

>>102414508
i feel the same, for me its Gigi and Ceci that i really liked and also Biboo, the past months were absolute ass, we have no streams and when someone streams its the fucking horse gacha. even Biboo has slowed down compared to her usual activities, but at least she still streams more than anyone else, even tho i hate her horse gacha spam so i havent really watched her much lately. the whole rest of en is non-existent, at this rate we need gen 5 and 6 at the same time

>>102414508
kiara has gone too far into coomer shit. it's not appealing.
>>102414677
JP has weekend games they play. on a set schedule you can watch them play dragon quest and shit every week. why is this all so hard for EN? they try it and it doesn't have a 30k ccv and then they immediately stop.
>>102414926
cc barely streams it feels like.
i'm fine blaming management. it doesn't matter to me who is at fault, but i'm tired of it.

because korone is always kino

>>102398016
Only non-hololive is botted
Hololive is gigaculled

>>102415464
>cc barely streams it feels like.
She had a good week last week, but otherwise has had a really hard time of it the whole JP arc. Probably a combination of bad sleeping schedule and trying to force herself to stream really early for her EU fanbase, for which I have a hard time blaming her.
>on a set schedule you can watch them play dragon quest and shit every week
I love Cece, but this part really bugs me. She'll play a potentially long-running game on the weekend, which attracts a more universal audience, but then the following week play it in the middle of the week when most of NA is working and do something else on that weekend. I kind of just end up watching random streams when I can catch them and have a hard time keeping up with any continuity. inb4 >implying she finishes any playthroughs.
I've never been more gachi for a vtuber while simultaneously having such a hard time watching them satisfactorily.

>>102418268
I don't mind when someone chooses not to finish a game here and there. I absolutely hate when they keep acting like they'll finish it without actually putting it on a schedule for months and basically only say they will to make someone happy who asked about it.

>>102418378
Yeah it doesn't really bother me, she hasn't said she'll finish most of the games she's effectively dropped and did say some of them weren't going to be continued (Majora's Mask, Lies of P IIRC). I just wish I had a better idea of which VODs to prioritize knowing I'll be able to consistently watch more of her streams of such games in the future.

>>102407027
>Risu is lazy and blames others for not just being given success
Based

>>102398004
You want her to be your mommy don't you.

>>102405704
moona is the worst
>i deserve to be paid to exist

>>102406755
Boy I sure do love when I'm watching FWMC and they just start speaking Japanese out of nowhere and don't self translate or summarize what they were talking about for 30 seconds to a minute.

Realistically speaking, is there any holo EN that is worth watching if you dont have your oshi simp goggles on? I enjoy Biboo the most but she has a lot of shit streams in between good ones.

>>102397624 (OP)
I'm thoroughly convinced most of them don't actually watch. They just autistically keep them on in the background to "support" them while they slave away doing endless homework or menial labor. It's just a ritual at this point.

>>102413108
That's why nobody watches them compared to JP vtubers, you are a genius.

>>102420018
Sameko Saba is the greatest vtuber to exist.

>>102419946
Fuck you, that's me.
Except for the karaokes, but even those I can't watch live and have to wait for the weekend to enjoy the vods while getting drunk.
t. currently listening to Sora-chan

>>102397707
What the fuck does this sentence suppose to mean?

>>102422396
In Japan, vtubing is a buff.
Outside of Japan, it's a debuff because grown men typically don't want to watch cartoons playing video games.

Why are JP chuubas actually interesting

>>102422515
Competition creates innovation.

>>102419366
BAUBAU

>>102419366
Same shit with IRyS or Bae, deal w/ it or watch an EN only holomem

>>102397624 (OP)
They can appreciate anime girls

>>102426175
Irys mostly just repeats what she said in English to the JP viewers.

>>102397624 (OP)
Maybe because JP is actually entertaining.

>>102397624 (OP)
Low tourist that why

>>102397756
>>102401405
Not really. Marine and Suisei barely stream and their numbers are the biggest in hololive. The most important thing is to be entertaining

>>102432490
marine grew with music for normies
suisei grew with music for normies
mori grew with music for normies
if you don't have that you need to stream.

>>102432490
Neither of them are entertaining though

>>102397624 (OP)
bugmen are biological predisposed and socially indoctrinated to consume slop

>>102419346
Well she is a fucking muslim after all

>>102397624 (OP)
its easy to use them as background noise

>>102411447
Fuck off back to plebbit

>>102421854
same honestly...watching live is too much pressure, I can't commit 3-5 hours straight and I dont want to miss stuff in story games. even when my oshi is live I watch vods...

>>102411447
nigga Korone looks like she's about 14, are you fucking blind? she's like a toddler puppy

>>102432589
Wonder what happened in the mid 1940s

>>102411735
HRM there's no way they can be more popular than my heckin based anti corporate indie. They must be- ACK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBuJD-ugT_g