Hololive...

>>102417651 (OP)
is based, i agree.

>>102417651 (OP)
Just 20k?

sincerely, is there a reason why there haven't been that many holoen streams lately?

>>102417651 (OP)
Gee I wonder who could have most viewers between an annoying woman playing an annoying game, an annoying child playing an unknowed game, and a three people collab playing a fairly popular game. What a mistery !

>>102417868
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>102417880
Cope

>>102417868
Preparing for the concert on August 23/24

>>102417868
AFO + Justice debut
That's why like 4 ENs were all streaming during JP time

>>102417880
All both Mori/Biboo just started their stream <30 minutes ago while the collab has been on for like 2 hours now

>Vtuber fans like the cuck squad
Honestly not even suprised Kek

>>102417880
>Deltarune
>Jump King
>Unknown.
???

>>102417651 (OP)
She's playing Jump King again?

>>102417868
They are preparing for the EN concert, then they are going to record their Anniversary 3D and the New Years concert so they have to go to japan a couple of months more, then they have to practice for HoloFes

>>102418080
they're niche faggot games, by all accounts, not mainstream

>>102417651 (OP)
Oof

>>102417868
That's what you get because of Idolshit

>Nimi and Saba are both solid 5 views
>What's left of HoloEN can barely hit 4 view
But the Holo bootlickers told me the girls were nothing without the corpo?

Fuck the endless JP trips, I'm so tired of this shit. It's fine when it eats a few weeks up a couple times a year, but there's so fucking much of it now with the EN concert.

>>102417868
Justice is in 3D Debut hell. Almost everyone else is just in normal "Living in Japan" mode.

>>102417651 (OP)
Ook

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>>102418262
naruhodo

Luv me Holos
Luv me ex-Holos
Simple as

>>102418300
Hell yeah brother

>>102418234
>>Nimi and Saba are both solid 5 views
>>What's left of HoloEN can barely hit 4 view
Relax Nimibro, hasn't been a full week since she was pulling less views than an ID

>>102418114
really starting to understand why everyone's leaving

>>102418336
Kiara's schedule has been fucked for months
>Trip
>1-2 weeks at home
>JP trip for 2 weeks
>1-2 weeks at home
>Trip
>JP Trip for a week
>1 week at home
>Trip
>1 week at home
>JP trip
>Trip
>JP trip in NA for AFO
Gigi has been trying her best to do streams, but it's a mix of the regular fun and paid ads and she had a pretty strong couple of weeks of adspam before leaving for Japan too.

>>102418336
Yeah no shit, if the choice is deal with jap autism bureaucracy half the year while giving half of your profits to middle management, or go indie and do whatever you want without splitting profits, then the choice is obvious. I fully expect to see more graduations on the next round of contract negotiations now that they know they can be just as successful as an indie without dealing with all the BS.

It's over.

Avengers victory.

>>102417880
ESL

Kekseki... Where are the 70k viewers you used to have...

>>102418327
cope

>>102417651 (OP)
Jump king is Calli's comfort game.

>>102418468
>Yeah no shit, if the choice is deal with jap autism bureaucracy half the year while giving half of your profits to middle management
This is a weird cope lol
Dooby/Saba has shit stream hours year round even when they weren't recording stuff, and Nimi opted out doing basically anything in the studio except HoloFes + the summer concerts

>>102417651 (OP)
>stale meme game
>trannyfox slop
yeah no wonder nimi mogged here

>>102418468
Nah, certain people would much rather have access to the idol and music creation process afforded by being in Holo, even if it might mean a bit less money. Kiara, Mori, Bae, Irys, FWMC, Nerissa, and ERB are some easy picks for people who have or will take most advantage of everything Holo has and won't jump ship until it gets really dire, either personally on their own channels, or with the way Cover writes contracting/forces them to do things.

>>102418821
I'm not just talking about the events and japan trips although that's definitely a part of it. But also shit like needing perms in advance for every little thing, having to get approval from management for non-game stream ideas, and the list goes on. The amount of extra work that goes into JUST streaming at Holo is insane, when as an indie you can just hit "start streaming" on a whim and not have to worry about anything.

>>102417651 (OP)
6k viewers is now that impressive

>>102419053
Avengers viewers "raid".

>>102418762
The guy who used to bot her streams ran out of cash or got bored.

Alright, an hour in and I at least expected Biboo to hit 6-7k. Guess not.

>>102419230
She is still being botted

>>102419030
>But also shit like needing perms in advance for every little thing, having to get approval from management for non-game stream ideas, and the list goes on. The amount of extra work that goes into JUST streaming at Holo is insane
I'm gonna be honest honest with you boss, I think perms in 2025 are massive nothing burger, maybe in 2020-2021 but nowadays
Cover is in bed with some many companies that it's really not an issue outside of edge cases like Sony who are in bed with Niji, Formsoft who you want you do dumb shit like re-upping perms after [X] time or mods
As for non-game ideas you kinda have a point, but I also haven't really seen any indies do something a Holo couldn't do that doesn't just devolve into full IRL content
Like, we're in a thread about Indies playing a game that Holos secured perms for before the game was even out and played to death, to the point where none of them even want to play anymore

>>102420370
There are still a ton of complaints from EN members about perms issues. I believe you if you mean for the JP talents streaming JP copies of the games, but the EN side is still pretty fucked.

>>102420615
>There are still a ton of complaints from EN members about perms issues.
Ok, like who? And please don't bring up Irys trolling her own members by using perms as an excuse to cuck them out making her play Sekiro

>>102420720
FWMC for a myriad of perms they want for games that are slightly older. Kiara and Reine for Cathrin perms. Basically anything that isn't FOTM shit.

>>102418675
Oh no, JPGODs your response?

>>102420806
Ok I'll concede that, but I also say those probably edges cases in the grander scheme of things tb.h

>>102420991
Like I said, I can give you that a lot of the FOTM stuff is getting answered more quickly, but there's so many games outside of that that I'd love to see talents play. Nostalgia bait is some of my favorite even when I never played the game as a kid because it's fun to watch them geek out over something or a mutually shared something like Kiara, Gigi, and Shiori did for that shit MMO. Just imagine a Club Penguin week where half the girls get consumed by Club Peguin games and chat with each other about it, or neopets.

>>102421158
It really depends on game by game basis, perms for older games are harder because it's a pain in the ass to find who even still owns the IP and finding a way to reach out to them. If they don't answer your request you are fucked. Fotm games are usually new games so it's no wonder its easier to get in contact and get the perms.

>>102421158
Isn't club penguin dead? They'd have to get a private server which is a huge nono

>>102417651 (OP)
I don’t care. I still won’t watch or aknowledge the existence of these three whores that betrayed hololive.

>>102423675
imagine oshiing a company

>>102417880
>deltarune
>unknown
what the fuck are you talking about?

>>102417880
>Unknown
Deltarune just had a chapter release for the first time in years, and is one of the most wishlisted games on the planet

>>102417651 (OP)
more like hollow lives lmao

>>102418451
Kiara still has the second most streaming hours. So I don’t know what everyone else’s fault is.

>>102418675
>Pekora mogged
Where's the faggots who used to spam her and her monkey and her mother here? You guys got bored of her already?

>>102418762
People finally realized that screaming YEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHH YEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHH over and over and over again is really the only thing she's good at.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_qgSEaBAIo

>>102427169
They went to tower, anon. The holofags are all gone...

>>102427284
As opposed to 'Baubau!'?
Honestly, they only really do that shit all the time in EN collabs that aren't Advent-only, which is why it really sticks out to some people

>>102423745
This company gives us more Oshi, more entertainment, we can get more Outfits and 3D. We will also get a lot of songs and animations, and they will often hold super large collaborations. I like to immerse myself in a big family vibes.
And those lazy whores haven't even tried to provide more streams in 4 years. JP senpais even invited her to cooperate with songs many times, and she barely needs to do anything.

>>102427284
I mean, I would react the same if i pulled 4 ssr’s back to back

>>102427623
>This company gives us more Oshi, more entertainment, we can get more Outfits and 3D.
The girls barely stream and indies tend to use 3D and get outfits far, far more often than corpo streamers. What even is this nonsense?

Seriously, with how you're idealizing those traits specifically, you should be worshipping Dokibird's feet or something because she embodies all of them far more than the branch does.
She does 3D and gets new outfits regularly, constantly supplies fans with animations and songs. and organizes super large scale events that can easily dwarf holo events in terms of participants, staff hired, and arguably vibes.

Absolutely none of that is exclusive to Holo or its members.

>>102417868
>not that many
there is almost NOTHING at all, not even a few or its the fucking horse gacha, holoEN is shit right now

>>102427284
I know this is a numberfag thread but I'm not interested in participating in numberfaggotry, I just wanted to say that I wanted to enjoy watching her especially since the rock streams a lot (good on her, it's a great quality to have as a streamer) but she tends to go "yeaaaah!!" or "what?!" or other similar stock phrases all the time which is pretty boring to watch for an extensive period of time. Maybe I'm just looking for a vtuber that drops interesting facts, talks about things that are otherwise pretty niche which means that she might just not be the match for my personal preferences. I think the moe factor is what's supposed to pull me in but I guess it's just not enough for me... glad for the pebbles that can enjoy her though. Not trying to start an argument with anyone, I just wanted to drop my opinion to see if anyone else sincerely feels the same way
It's also the voice being a little grating on the ears but I feel like I'd get chewed out if I said that. Her debut voice was a lot more bearable than her current one

>>102427905
>Maybe I'm just looking for a vtuber that drops interesting facts, talks about things that are otherwise pretty niche
Unironically watch Shiori.
That's her entire thing. She's booksmart as hell and extremely experienced in the online spaces. In random games she'll go into detail about the behind the scenes shit or how she learned to handle the same development issues. Her Miside playthrough was half her playing Miside and the other half her pointing out tons of dev tricks the guy used to make the game pretty

>>102418451
genuinely, that's kiara's fault

Hello shit thread getting necro bumped by one angry ligger.

>>102418877
Pretty much this

>>102418468
While I understand why Gura left, I think its a huge mistake. I get she may not have really been into the idol thing, but I think it will be much harder for her to get singing gigs as Saba. There's just something to the Gura IP that Saba lacks.

>>102418468
The thing is I doubt they could be just as successful, people hate corpo here but I assure you that the day corpo stop investing in this industry it's the day vtubing is dead.

>>102427905
I have a rule when watching her to retain my sanity.
>3 strikes of brainrot
After that 3rd strike, I'm out until the next stream.

They're doing pretty good, but given the juggernaut Saba was meant to be I was expecting crazier numbers.

>>102417651 (OP)
>tranny op took the screen only a few minutes after the two streams at bottom started
and this thread doesnt get pruned, I see it

>>102429173
It's funny how this stays up but posting Nimi getting mogged by kaela 4 days ago gets you a 3 day vacation. Despite this being fake and that being real.

>>102417651 (OP)
no shit you posted their start instead of their peak, i could never have guessed

>>102417651 (OP)
Ouch

>>102417651 (OP)
GRIM

holo EN is fucking dead and saba killed it only nips and SEAmonkeys watch holotrash now

>>102417651 (OP)
Narrative faggots like you really need to blow thy brain.

>>102418336
>>102418468
>Work for Japanese company
>Forced to go to the worst 3rd world nation in the world, with some of the worst food and violent crime and rape everywhere, Japan
Wow, how could this happen to me, a woman?

>>102417651 (OP)
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>>102430750
Everyone knows your fucking screenshot is fake. Stop fucking necrobumping your shit thread from page 10. Do you sit here all day refreshing the catalog?

>>102430801
Cope

>>102430801
Idk why you're seething, but that screen was absolutely not fake. It was just taken like 10min into the stream. Both Mori and Biboo were sub-5k ccv for like 1hour until Nimi/Saba ended. Your screen is just the final peak numbers. OP should still kill himself though, for pushing another holo vs ex-holo.

>>102432134
You failed to mention the most important caveat which is that Biboo was also botted.

>>102432320
You also failed to mention that Biboo is not funny.

>>102417651 (OP)
WTF Peeblefiles?
Bijou = 2k????

>>102429216
Biboo would have had even worse numbers than that Nimi stream without the engine. Couldn’t even break 4k in the first hour.

>>102417651 (OP)
amazing

>>102417651 (OP)
Collabs don't count faggot

>>102431928
>Cope
seething much I see

>>102433873
wait why not
aren't collabs generally debuffs due to the split audience?

>>102434402
>split audience
>single pov collab
Tell me, anon, are you normally this retarded?

>>102434476
>single pov collab
Dooby was streaming, anon...

>>102427905
It was a few months after Advent's debut that I became a pebble, since I was already more than happy with my then-current oshi. It was indeed the moe and long, consistent stream schedule that got me in, and her sense of humor and contagious good attitude that made me stay.
Lately for me it's been the game choices that have filtered me from the vast majority of biboo streams. Idolshit is fine, they gotta do what the job demands, and I'm proud of my gemdaughterwife being a big (smol) girl in japan. I just dgaf about a lot of what most of EN is playing. I used to watch biboo nearly everyday. I don't even spend my free monthly membership messages. I used to eagerly time those for announcements, now she's lucky if I even bother to pop into her chat for a second to say congrats for whatever thing she is did or has coming up
First time I watched Kiara it was Metroid Prime, Gigi played fallout new vegas, Kronii Ender Lillies, etc
When Fauna left so too did interesting game choices (that appeal to me personally) and I really thought Ceci was going to inherit that mantle but the more I watch the more I don't think she can or will