How did Calli become the core of EN?

its always been
1. gura
2. calli
and the rest is debatable

>>102438874 (OP)
Everyone else left

>>102438874 (OP)
Most subs.

>>102438874 (OP)
Always has been

>>102438874 (OP)
Spending time on her knees

>>102439246
just like you anon

>>102439246
Speaking from experience?

>>102439046
>Most subs.
Cover once had an advertisement campaign with billboards of the Hololive talents and their subscriber count. While it's not the only reason that management likes Mori they obviously were going to make her the center of HoloEN. After 5 years the EN branch has 15 talents so Cover is more character focused than even the JP branch but they still have favorites.

>>102438874 (OP)
Everyone else left.

>>102438874 (OP)
((record deals))

>>102438874 (OP)
>How did Calli become the core of EN?
She always has been but her maturing in the "veteran talent newer members can lean" really solidified that position

>>102438874 (OP)
Everyone else fucked up.
>Gura
Started out strong but fizzled out hard
>Ame
Was LA CREATIVIDAD not an idol type
>Kiara
Is Kiara
>Council
Flopped
>IRyS
Flopped
Mori had her menhera episodes, specially after the trash taste podcast but she actually took criticism and kept working.

>>102438874 (OP)
All the other popular girls left, she has her gay music contract that Cover flaunts and takes credit for. That's kinda it, really. Though they always did push her and have been doing so for years even if she never got as much attention as someone like Gura and the other white girls that left. Mori is the John Cena of holoEN. It REALLY helps that she swore undying loyalty to the company on stream, she's gonna play nice with their fax machine culture so they reward her for it. Same thing with all the others that move to japan, they get rewarded for it.

She has the most subscribers and that's really the only thing Cover knows about on the EN side. They don't pay attention to them other than sub count. And also Japan is obsessed with Seniority so that gives Mori more "authority" over the EN branch. Eventhough popularity wise Calli is way below people like Irys, Fuwamoco, Bibjou, Gigi, Liz, and on par with Ceci and Nerrissa.

>>102439030
This.

>>102440056
>That's kinda it, really. Though they always did push her and have been doing so for years even if she never got as much attention as someone like Gura and the other white girls that left.
This such a baffling take lol
She's was only Holo who could ever come close to matching Gura's meteoric rise during 2020-2022 in terms of subs and she's basically always dominated EN in terms of views, outside of the Gura none of the girls who left could ever reach the level attention she commands
They've never needed to "push" her because she's at WORSE been the 2nd most popular EN since the branch's conception

>>102438874 (OP)
She always was.
She streamed.

>>102440268
>Eventhough popularity wise Calli is way below people like Irys, Fuwamoco, Bibjou, Gigi, Liz, and on par with Ceci and Nerrissa.
>below Irys, FuwaMoco ... and Liz
ERB is the shitter of EN
>on par with CC and Nerissa
ERB is far below those two

>>102440268
>Eventhough popularity wise Calli is way below people like Irys, Fuwamoco, Bibjou, Gigi, Liz, and on par with Ceci and Nerrissa.
?

>>102438874 (OP)
Name one other girl still on the roster who could realistically be in her spot.

>>102439246
Owned lol >>102439285 >>102439386
Nijiniggers not sending their best

>>102440542
Bot views don't count come on now. But she does get a lot of views from her Music vids that's true. She's popular as a singer, but not as a Vtuber.

>>102441803
>M-muh bots!!!
Stop coping, she's been #1 since Day 1

>>102440475
Liz has the potential to be top tier, and she does get high views doing Karaoke. But she barely streams, when she does stream she plays games using her Goofy png model. And she's quiet a lot of the time because her parents are sleeping in the next room or something. That's why she fell off hard despite having the most hype at the start of Justice's run.

>>102441977
Hakos Baelz's 3D birthday show outperformed Mori's birthday show last year lol.

>>102442296
Even with Gura as a guest, Mori still didn't beat Bae? Dayum!

>>102438874 (OP)
>why is the consistent and reliable person who speaks Japanese and lives in Japan so well-positioned in this Japanese company compared to less consistent people who don't speak Japanese and live abroad?
'tis a mystery. Perhaps someday science shall find a way to uncover the asnwers. Until then, we shall be left to wonder.

>>102442296
>Errmmmm akshully this singular VoD from a year ago has slightly higher views than this singular VoD!!!
Ok?
Lets compare literally every other VoD

>>102442730
Bots don't tune into 3D shows the way they do regular streams. And Bae don't got them Bots that Mori and Biboo have on their regular streams. Or Bae's bots are just not as high as the other EN girls.

>>102442804
>Bots don't tune into 3D shows the way they do regular streams.
this isn't fucking cope and more delusion at this point. if they're already botting regular streams they would bot 3d event shows even harder.

>>102442730
If those 3D shows where live concert shows, Bae's concert would have a higher attendance than Mori's concert by 120K+ people. Which would be all that matters, regardless of what they do in regular streams.

>>102442846
They don't need to bot 3D events because they know a ton of real people will actually turn out for those 3D shows especially if they have lots of Guests and all that.

>>102442804
>These numbers prove I am right
>But what about these numbers which show I am right?
>Those numbers are fake
You people are retarded. This person's views count. Why? Because I say so. This person's views don't count. Why? Because I say so. Go fuck yourself.

>>102442867
If those 3D shows were live concert shows Bae wouldn't have one.

>>102442928
You better pray them other EN girls don't start doing events like Mori has been doing the past years, otherwise Mori getting pushed down the popularity scale even more.

>>102442961
Because Cover Corp is too Retarded to know a good thing when they have it. Hence why they fumbled the bag on Coco, Gura, Aqua, Chloe, A-chan, Fauna, Ame and Shion.

>>102442913
>regular streams are botted, she has no real human viewers
>events still draw in so many humans viewers, they don't need to bot
so where are all of those human viewers coming from. do you see how retarded you sound?

>>102442997
According to you she's already at the bottom of the popularity scale. Her subscribers? Don't count. Viewers? Don't count. Live concerts? Don't count, only staff go to them, and only because Yagoo coerces them. Nothing counts so whatever you say goes. Well done.
>>102443047
The funny thing is I might take this seriously if you were talking about anyone other than Bae.

>>102442804
>Bots don't tune into 3D shows the way they do regular streams
Yes they do, what the fuck are you talking about? lmao
If anything 3D events are MORE likely to be botted than a normal stream

>>102443047
>Ame
lol
lmao even
Everything bad that happened to Ame was entirely her fault and she hasn't changed as an indie much

>>102439030
>gura
who?

>literal gold medal, olympics level mental gymnastics pushing a dumb rat about botted views
this is what happens when you live on 4chan for too long and don't interact with actual humans.

>>102443047
>A-chan
Why are you including staff?

HOW TO BE A DISGUTING NUMBER VIRGIN
step 1.
Make a rage bait reply
step 2.
When you get objectively proven wrong with empiric statistical data that outpreforms your numbers or delusions claim "bots"

>>102443109
And yet Bae managed to put on a 3D show that proved to be more popular than Mori's 3D sow last year. Despite having half of Mori's sub count and like 1k less average ccv than Mori.
And Bae's biggest guest in that stream was Towa, while Mori had Gura.

>>102443316
Cool. Can't wait for the sololive.

>>102443334
She'll get it when she quits Hololive and does a concert with Nimi and Saba, the top 2 EN vtubers in the world at the moment.

What's wrong with bots watching streams?

>>102443316
Nah they were just bots.

>>102443409
Bae isn't known for getting Bots, you're thinking of Mori, Irys and Bijou.

>>102443316
>gura
i don't understand why this is something meaningful. chumbuds didn't watch other members, even myth collabs hosted by gura got low ccv by gura standards

>>102443452
>person I like isn't known for getting bots, you're thinking of people I don't like
Bot comment

>>102438874 (OP)
Man this artwork is so good I could cry about it

>>102438874 (OP)
Gura left and Mori has the most accolades in EN

>>102443452
>Bae isn't known for getting Bots
Sure

>>102443392
The same Nimi who couldn't sell out a 1.5k venue ?

>botschizos literally everywhere
number faggots might be the worst type, aside from chumpedos.

>>102438874 (OP)
Being the only EN with not just one but TWO sololives probably helps

she became the EN workhorse sometime around 2022 when she had her yabs but then the UMG contract whipped her into shape.

>>102438874 (OP)
the only one that has a umg deal

>>102442024
>Liz has the potential to be top tier
Except she doesn't. She has been doing everything she wants, even debuted on twitch.
>she does get high views doing Karaoke.
For a karaoke she does not get high views. A good karaoke should have 1,5× her ccv per karaoke.
>But she barely streams
True
>when she does stream she plays games using her Goofy png model.
Because that is what she wants
>And she's quiet a lot of the time because her parents are sleeping in the next room or something.
She most often streams during the day UK-time. Even in Japan where she does not have the parental issue she does not stream.
>That's why she fell off hard despite having the most hype at the start of Justice's run.
ERB killed her own hype in her debut. Nit to be a numbermonkey but her new years outfit reveal and the new years outfit collab had lower numbers than the rest of Justice. She is the reason Justice does not have gencohesion. You regularly see Raora & Gigi, Raora and Cecelia, GGCC, but never ERB collabing with any of them

>>102444895
>For a karaoke she does not get high views. A good karaoke should have 1,5× her ccv per karaoke.
Why
that IS her content.

>>102442804
Bae is HoloEN's raid Baeby

>>102438874 (OP)
favoritism

>>102444919
Then her content is not good. Irys, GG, Kronii and even Nerissa when she does a karaoke all easily get 15k+ per karaokes. ERB's karaokes get regularly get stuck at 8k. ERB is supposed to be the singer of her gen, yet she fails at attracting viewers for it

>>102445102
No they don't? She's had 2 to 3 which struggled a bit to get over 10k but she regularly hits 10k+ normally without raids. Considering she's done 35 unarchiveds since debut that's a pretty fine ratio.

>>102445102
>Irys, GG, Kronii and even Nerissa when she does a karaoke all easily get 15k+ per karaokes. ERB's karaokes get regularly get stuck at 8k. ERB is supposed to be the singer of her gen, yet she fails at attracting viewers for it
Imo that's just a byproduct of the frequency of which she does karaoke rather an inability to draw a crowd , like a good 60-70 of her content is just 2-3 hour long karaoke sessions, or rebroadcast of those session, or 8-16 hour long hyper-edits of karaokes
The audience will start to take it for granted if you do it too often

>>102445290
>>102445380
>15k+
>10k+
I think you just proved his 1.5× point

>>102438874 (OP)
She has a kind of gravity to her that makes her the center of mass of Holo EN

>>102445668
What does it feel like to reach the singularity of her tits?

>>102445689
Like being in the center of the Milky Way

>>102445668
Mori inserts herself in anything that's popular that doesn't even involve her. Like when Gigi did her first ever League stream. Mori popped in to chat with them eventhough she wasn't part of that lol collab, she saw Gigi getting 20K viewers and wanted to be part of the moment without playing with them.

>>102445791
>interact
>she's leeching
>don't interact
>she's ignoring them

>>102438874 (OP)
She kicked out everyone who didn't play along with her vision of hololive, unironically the Elira of HoloEN.

>closer to the staff
>acts as mediums between talent and staff
>puts herself on everything she can
>everyone needs to suck her fat ass because she holds the power to make or break your career
>ccv in the ground, subs growth almost null too
>yes she's still the best HoloEN has
>music sales and views inflated by deadcucks spam
>zero popularity and appeal outside the vtuber sphere, and even within a lot of people are aware of the piece of shit she is and avoid her at all costs

Like it or not, but unless a miracle happens Gura leaving HoloEN marked the beginning of the end for the branch.

>>102445791
>like when Gigi did her first ever League stream. Mori popped in to chat with them eventhough she wasn't part of that lol collab
You mean the LoL collab where Gigi put up a PNG of Mori without telling her, only for Mori to redirect into that stream helping it reach 20k ccv in the first place, made like 2 comments and then left?
That LoL stream?

>>102445576
I mean his point was " karaokes should be 1.5x her normal content". ERBs normal streams hang around 4k~ sometimes lower, even by his low ball of 8k karaokes she is 2xing and realistically 3xing more recently. She has lower viewers because she is less popular and there are reasons for that, but to say her karaokes don't perform well is stupid especially considering the abundance of them.

>>102446051
I thought it meant that her karaoke CCV should be 1.5× the CCV what it is now

>>102445822
This version of EN without Gura sold out a concert that's bigger than the previous one and a whole world tour on top of that. The EN branch isn't "ending" any time soon

>>102438874 (OP)
Mori was always Yagoo's favourite, when asked which talents would he consider the best to run Hololive he answered Fubuki for JP, Kaela for ID, and Mori for EN.
My schizo theory is this is why there have been a lot of graduations in EN

>>102446796
You're at last aware that you're a schizo.
There is literally nobody who is more reliable than her in EN. She is a workaholic and a supportive person newer members can easily approach.
Imagine trying to rely on, idk, Kiara (brainworms) or Gura (always absent).

>>102446028
Gigi reached 20K ccv 40 mins into the stream. Calli raided 1:30 mins into the stream and pushed it up to 23k ccv, so she added about 3k viewers. Gigi put up the Calli PNG at the last hour of the 3 hour stream eventhough Calli wasn't even there that whole time. Gigi just advertising for Calli to 20k Lol viewers, eventhouh Calli wasn't there and doesn't like Lol.

https://playboard.co/en/video/xLiujNaWQgk?channelId=UCDHABijvPBnJm7F-KlNME3w

>>102442296
Based Rat!

>>102438874 (OP)
>>102439030
>>102440268
I'm glad we've started calling her Calli here. It annoyed me how this board insisted on calling her Mori even though nobody used that name. It would be like if everyone on this board had said "Gawr" instead of Gura and called anyone who didn't do it a tourist.

>>102438874 (OP)
nepobaby, always has been
People were right about her from day 1

>>102438874 (OP)

She has the most subs now that Gura is gone and is music-centric.

That's it, that's the reason. Looking at any of their faces, that's the metrics they go based off of. You have Sora (the OG), Calli, Risu, Miyabi, and Altare.

>>102438874 (OP)
the real question is how long before calli gets isekai'd

>>102450252
What the fuck is is a nepob aby?

>>102443334
didn't calli say umg set hers up for her?

>>102438874 (OP)
If you work 5 years in a company you think you'd get trust and be involved in more important work. Even before Gura left Hololive trusted Mori more.

>>102438874 (OP)
>>102439030
Gura was only the face because of her popularity, Mori's work ethic and approachability made her more well-liked among other talents and company staff.

>>102450095
Calliope Mori. Calliope Mori. CALLIOPE MORI.

>>102452314
>Gura
You mean Gawr, tourist

>>102438874 (OP)
hard worker with charisma
it's not rocket surgery

>>102447265
>Calli doesn't like Lol
what a prude

>>102446970
Yes, I fully agree with that she puts in the most work which is why Yagoo and jap management likes her so much.
She is also the source of 90% of yabs in EN, and likely involved in some way to 9% of the rest, most noticeably all the graduated promise members were the ones that did not collab with mori, while all that stayed are close to mori. Considering HoloJP care a lot about public image, considering there have been several times where they have suspended talents in order to quell even minor controversy, their silence in regards to all the mori yabs suggest that they are either ignorant to them or giving mori a free pass, considering it is a jap company I am betting on the former.

>>102438874 (OP)
Hard work and talent

>>102456493
Okay schizo.

>>102438874 (OP)
The bad guys won

>>102438874 (OP)
>Calli
Also she inherited it because Gura left Hololive. Its honestly kind of shitty that she'll never be able to claim that she surpassed Gura when she was still an active Holo.
She'll never be able to prove herself, always second fiddle to a retarded kid with IBS

>>102438874 (OP)
numbers
>>102439030
fpbp

>>102456493
>most noticeably all the graduated promise members were the ones that did not collab with mori
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YVjDbdXwyQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60r1O06S4jo
What the fuck are you talking about

>>102438874 (OP)
>I almost read that as whore and went on a tangent kek.

not to defend her, though

>>102438874 (OP)
Big number and japs love her shitty music for some reason

>>102446426
Your reasoning makes sense but that's not how an industry focused around IPs work. Even with bad decisions and terrible lineup, the profits and engagement will actually sharply increase but as the consumer gets disillusioned or feels exploited, they start looking for other options. The only way this is prevented is by flooding the hobby with normies ready to pay for anything the corp tells em to pay for. Take a look at Blizzard. One of their biggest profit makers these past years has been Diablo Immortal. Diablo IV has sold more copies on launch than Diablo III.
And yet would you say Blizzard is in a good spot right now ? Producing quality products are they ? No, they cater to whales, normies and streaks of nostalgia to trick old fans into coming back when it matters. This is Hololive's inevitable future if it doesn't just flat out fizzle out into irrelevance.

>>102438874 (OP)
How is she not? The most business accolades by far. Still streams, still does collabs, organizes event, does solos at venues, signed to a record label, makes her own music, can speak Japanese. She is a workaholic and management love her and most of her peers look up to her.

Can't be Ina, she rather cruise along, Kiara while she is always pushing for MVs she will always second to Calli.
Promise got no one, IRyS is a ditz, Bae is always cracking, Kronii doesn't want the responsibility
Only FuwaMoco can be a contender but they will for ever be Kouhai to myth and promise, same with Biboo plus she just the little brat.
Justice has no chance of being up front.

>>102451550
someone who has powerful family connections that gets them preferential treatment despite their lack of talent

>>102438874 (OP)
Like >>102439030 said, it's always been Gura > Mori > everyone else. When Gura left, Mori becoming the new face was the natural conclusion and unlike Gura, Mori is not afraid to grab any opportunity that's in front of her.

>>102466961
FuwaMoco also give zero fucks about putting in any kind of effort for EN or EN unity which is the main reason they will always be side characters in both branches.

>>102439077
>Always has been
Cope
Its always been Gura or Cali

>>102450095
Mori calls her Mori
So you're still a tourist

>>102438874 (OP)
shes sucking more cock and can better lap dance then the other talents

>>102466013
>Even with bad decisions and terrible lineup
Except the decisions aren't bad and the lineup isn't terrible, you're just assblasted that your oshi isn't as relevant to HoloEN's success (and therein failure) as you thought she was, so now you're doing this weird "sour grapes" cope kek
A year ago today you were probably jerking off Holo's implied superiority over every other vtbuer corpo and indies, now they're modern Blizzard cause your favorite left? gimme a fucking break lol