Cover either has access to cull bots or has a YouTube employee working for them. These past days are proof of this:
1. Roa (Shion) redebuting and losing to random holoJP streams and having less than 150k viewers despite having one of the most popular graduation streams and her debut clips getting huge mumbers. Does anyone really believe people would watch clips but not the debut?
2. Ruka (Chloe) and Rei (A-chan) getting HoloID tier views despite having huge debuts.
3.Nimi somehow getting less than 15k despite being the 2nd most popular vtuber ever after Saba
4. The Saba, Dooby, Nimi collab only avaraging 18k views despite being the most anticipated stream of all time
5. Saba's subs stalling. She should have easily reaches 5 million by now
6. The indie avengers emissary zero collab getting less than 4k

Does anyone really believe this? It's obvious cover is somehow culling these numbers. People love the talents not cover yet somehow they're doing worse than cover? Everyone on social media shits on hololive now. This is clearly manipulated. Fucking scumbags.

>>102457427 (OP)
it's a shit design. Shion was prettier AND hotter. I don't want to watch Roa because she's ugly.

>Does anyone really believe people would watch clips but not the debut?
Yes, tons of people do.

>>102457427 (OP)
temu karubi

>>102457427 (OP)
It's the algorithm, also, the avatar doesn't match her voice.

>>102457448
lol you are fucking retarded
she is ugly? get a load of this envious faggot

>>102457427 (OP)
>random holoJP streams
NICE BAIT

>>102457579

>>102457427 (OP)
God's punishment for getting such a generic slop design from the hack queen of sanefaces

>>102457556
>also, the avatar doesn't match her voice.
it absolutely does lol

>>102457427 (OP)
Some corpocucks will simply not watch their indie oshis no matter if their content is exactly the same or their model is better. It also doesn't help that some forums/circles actively restrict information on redebut personas by censoring discussion (reddit, tower, discord, etc.) which comprise the majority of places for normies to discuss vtubers. Simply put, a company like Hololive generates a metric fuck ton of incestous subs/views from drones that just watch Hololive streams all day and these aren't the types of viewers that will stick with redebuted indies because they're Hololive fans foremost. I've unironically seen several Hololive fans that I know online switching to a different Hololive oshis or switching to other corpos rather than watching their indie oshi. There's also the simple fact that a lot of indies don't advertise properly or have limited reach because they create new accounts or don't properly network because they only know corpos that can't help them at all. There's also contractual obligations and such which can impede redebuts.

>>102457427 (OP)
>numberfaggot is confronted by reality
>surprised, stunned even
many such cases

>>102457793
>their indie oshis
Are you like literally retarded?

i don't know who's baiting who anymore

>>102457556
It matches her more than the sex witch she had before. Shion was always a laid back VTuber, not a sexxo tease that her avatar tried to project.

The only "bots" are the ones you idiots are using that spam that word insecantly

>>102457427 (OP)
We know that Covr is in bed with Youtube. Youtube has no reason to support indies while they have every reason to go against them.

>>102457427 (OP)
1. Shion was lazy for years. Is it really that surprising people forget about her? Also 58k views EOP clip says nothing.
2. Chloe was never big audience streamer. Her strength was with milking her whales.
A-chan role barely consider as streamer.
3. She never was 15k streamer. She performs pretty much the same as she did as Fauna.
4. Funny thing is that shit happened a lot with Gura as well. If it was not on her channel the numbers always suffered. Good to know her audience didn't change at all.
5. Not even Gura ch. has 5M
6. >4 POVs

>>102457873
yet it's twitch that bans indie vtubers who reach a certain audience size, that's why shondo was *forced* to join mythic talent

>>102457873
Yeah, youtube will side with corporations every time if they have to choose. Corporations bring stability and accountability. You can't expect that from indies. Youtube wants to be more like TV.

>>102457830
Are you?

>bot schizos are all antiholo
this makes so much sense, you dumb niggers kys

>>102457956
>enjoy person play-acting to corporate standards
>no longer enjoy person when not putting on an act
For the same reason I never follow any creatives (authors, musicians, actors, directors) personal social media accounts. I enjoy the work they produce, I don’t need to see them scratch their ass and sniff their fingers for “authenticity”.

Genuinely, what makes SEA people this fucking retarded

>>102457956
Nope because I'm not the one calling random indies other peoples oshis when they're clearly not.

>>102457448
I gotta agree with this
didn't watch Shion tho, not gonna watch Roa either

>>102458006
You're equating following celebniggers on Shitter for their inane irrelevant opinions on things to following the exact same vtuber but without corporate oversight. If we go by indie standards, which are very broad, all of the recent Hololive and Nijisanji reincarnations have been extremely tame in terms of not doing any IRL shit (with maybe the exception of Mikeneko). How exactly do they differ from their Hololive careers and how does that make them unwatchable?
>>102458058
>random indies
Reading comprehension bros?

>>102457579
Are you saying this generic ugly blue girl is hotter than Murasaki Shion?
What a massive faggot

>>102458006
>>102458058
Do Corpodrones really?

>>102458144
Yes they are random indies if the "corpocucks" don't watch them you fucking retard.

>reee why aren't you watching the indie so Hololive can finally DIE?!

>>102458188
>vtuber
>vtuber, Hololive
It really do be like that huh...

>>102457427 (OP)
Achan becoming a streamer is the most random ass why would anyone watch this shit

>>102458239
I think she's the first person I would actually call a grifter. She was not a hololive talent and supported some of the worst ideas Cover came up with.

>>102457427 (OP)
>Saba's subs stalling. She should have easily reaches 5 million by now
Jesus Christ dude, just accept that 75% of her subs were COVID-era dead subs

>>102457579
>envy
you're a woman.

>>102457427 (OP)
Is it that difficult to admit that people have ex-Holo fatigue?

>>102458597
She's the most popular vtuber of all time and put hololive on the map

>>102457427 (OP)
But that clip has almost no views in your image you fucking retard. And it's aimed at EN's, who don't watch streams.

>>102457448
FPBP

>>102457427 (OP)
I watched Shion graduation but I didn't watch Her reincarnation Debut, because her design is meh

And yes, most people would watch clips rather than a whole debut because is faster. All the people who watched the graduation don't care that deeply for shion.

>>102458008
I don't think they are retarded, at least not entirely. They are malicious tho. At some point the shitposting became just pure hatred and malice, not just naive retardation.

>>102457873
>We know that Covr is in bed with Youtube
Well oldfags surely remember it was official Youtube tested an experimental antispam in Coco's chat (this is before the manually selected antis as mods debacle)

>>102457427 (OP)
It came to you in a dream

>>102457427 (OP)
Another model? Women who do this never have a stable or clean career, the fact that she spends all her time playing LoL was bad enough, I'm going to pass on this one, the model is pretty bad anyway, it seems like lazy cat only knows how to change hair styles on her designs.

>>102457427 (OP)
>Does anyone really believe people would watch clips but not the debut?
Yes. Observe the following facts,
1. Most kaigai nikki are clip watchers, they are not nihongo jouzu, this is how they watch the Japs
2. Of those people, the majority did not know Shion was re-debuting because they aren't in Japanese social media circles and websites, that clip was likely how they first found out
3. The clip has high engagement bait, people commenting, "OMG she's back," "Wait who is this?" and so on, so because of those extra comments it gets extra push in the algorithm leading to more views leading to more comments leading to more push and more views. Actual streams do not get that kind of push in the algorithm based on engagement.

This is like saying, "Korone's most-watched clip is 3.5m views but her streams average 250k lately WHERE DID EVERYBODY GO?"

>>102457427 (OP)
These ex-holos need to group up and start a corp and find a good manager (a-chan?)

>>102458166
>ugly
And there it is again, envious fucking faggot lmao
YWNBAW
>>102458803
Ok tranny you still will never be a real woman

>>102457427 (OP)
>saba 5 million subs by now.
Make your bait less obvious. Here's a (You) for wasting your time making this post.

>>102457427 (OP)
I think she made it pretty clear she and everyone else wanted a clean break from the fanbase they had, and they got the message, so why would they show up?

>>102457793
>no matter if their content is exactly the same
Well, it's never gonna be the same.
>very rare 3D streams or 3D concerts
>no hololive collabs
If you are a strong solo-streamer like Fauna then you won't suffer much. Shion was a pretty good zatsudan streamer so she's gonna be ok.

>>102457427 (OP)
>Nimi somehow getting less than 15k despite being the 2nd most popular vtuber ever after Saba
Stopped reading EOP newfag

>>102459638
It was also YouTube who deleted the community subtitle feature.

>>102457427 (OP)
>The Saba, Dooby, Nimi collab only avaraging 18k views
That's like the entire mainstream EN vtuber audience.

>>102457427 (OP)
No blue dorito = not watching your whores
Simple as

>>102460482
And this is even more prevalent on the JP side

>>102457427 (OP)
>>>/x/

>>102457793
>by censoring discussion (reddit, tower, discord, etc.)
>tower
Found the tranny janny. Reincarnations are an open secret on tower. All ex-holo splits are there. /hlg/ just discusses them together with other holos.

>>102457793
>no matter if their content is exactly the same
Their content is never the same. You don't understand this because you are a soulless autistic husk of a human being that has never had a single friend in your entire life and you don't understand why people enjoy hololive.
When they leave, they lose the group dynamic and everything that they worked towards that was larger than themselves. They lose their connections to the other girls, their projects, their dreams, everything. It has nothing to do with the company, but rather their identity as part of something bigger and wonderful. Their content becomes that of an ordinary streamer with no purpose other than to make money for themselves and stream games. Their endeavors as indies are limited and trite and pale in comparison to what they were accomplishing as idols. Not a single one of the girls' content that has left is as good as when they were in hololive.

You will never understand why being a part of a community of high quality people working together towards the same goal is so important to their personality because you are subhuman detritus, incapable of connecting with your fellow man. You are incapable of thinking beyond your own selfish interests and are isolated within your own degenerate decadence.
It has nothing to do with worshiping a company. The important part of hololive are its talents, and the ones that leave abandon their friends, but more importantly, they abandon themselves.

>>102457427 (OP)
Nijiseethe

>>102460883
Umm anon Shion followed all the ex-holos so it's still the same. If they all just leave hololive and follow each other it will be just like before!

>>102460883
>The important part of hololive are its talents
Agree
>the ones that leave abandon their friends, but more importantly, they abandon themselves
Rope yourself. The company's incompetence is what making them leave abandoning their friends. I infinitely prefer corpo vtubing for the very same reasons you outlined above, i.e. the group dynamic and camaraderie but if the corpo can't provide it perpetuation, it and solely it is to be blamed.

>>102460930
You can give up the charade, there is virtually no hololive fans here anymore

>>102460842
I'm never going to use that website and I will simply continue to willfully spread misinformation about it even after I'm confronted and corrected on it.
>/hlg/ just discusses them together with other holos
I seriously doubt that with how /hlgg/ has always been and the simple fact that you cannot post any shred of perceived negativity on there.
>Reincarnations are an open secret on tower
So which is it? If it's an "open secret" this implies that overt discussion gets deleted. Imagine not being able to state that Gura is Saba.
>>102460883
pic related

>>102457427 (OP)
That's interesting, but have you considered this?

>>102460842
Hey there, towaadmin. You should seriously consider buying an ad.

>>102461238
>with how /hlgg/ has always been
But he was talking about /hlg/, the "anti thread", /hlgg/'s arch-nemesis. I'm honestly surprised that they actually allow /hlg/ there and even ban EN and ID posting in there when the website is owned by /hlgg/ posters.

>>102461129
if talents cant affect the change they desire they were weak and unnecessary in the first place

>>102461238
>I'm never going to use that website and I will simply continue to willfully spread misinformation about it even after I'm confronted and corrected on it.
Good on you, hope you like your unpaid job, janny-chama.
>I seriously doubt that with how /hlgg/ has always been and the simple fact that you cannot post any shred of perceived negativity on there.
/hlg/ not /hlgg/, the HoloJP global. Go check for yourself >>>1633053
>/hlgg/
True that but 4 of the 5 fastest threads on tower are hlgg, uuu, same and awat.
>If it's an "open secret" this implies that overt discussion gets deleted. Imagine not being able to state that Gura is Saba.
Bad word choice on my part. But,
>R: 1253 / I: 372 /same/ - Sameko Saba & Gawr Gura General Formerly known as /ggg/
>R: 347 / I: 67 /uuu/ - Nimi Nightmare & Ceres Fauna General
>R: 762 / I: 160 Amelia Watson and Dooby appreciation thread
Then there's also /who/ which is mostly shachiposting.

>>102457427 (OP)
>6. The indie avengers emissary zero collab getting less than 4k
Blindanon...

>>102461520
He's worse than blind. He's a sea creature.

>>102457427 (OP)
Cover always had access to bots

>>102457427 (OP)
Youtube autoculls channels with no viewers and no videos that suddenly get huge numbers.

>>102460883
Corpocuck

>>102461660
>

>>102461643
That's what Cover want's you to believe, didn't affect Saba. Youtube autoculls bots.

>>102461454
>>102461481
>Good on you, hope you like your unpaid job, janny-chama.
I would never work for free.
>/hlg/
Oh my bad. Yah /hlg/ on /jp/ never cared about stuff like that because all the posters that did care moved to /vt/'s /hlgg/.
>Bad word choice
>I'm honestly surprised that they actually allow /hlg/ there and even ban EN and ID posting in there when the website is owned by /hlgg/ posters
This makes it sound like they just segregate the topics so if you went to /hlgg/ to discuss Saba you could be banned for it. So basically "thread rules" which is peak reddit.

>>102462246
>I would never work for free.
You are right now. Unless you are a moderator in which case you should really consider roping yourself.

>>102457579
Shion was the hottest vtuber design ever, I wouldn't be surprise if people didn't watch her because they couldn't imagine how that blue abomination could be a follow up to Murasaki Shion, every other ex holo used the same artist or went with a similar theme to build hype because this is supposedly a COMEBACK.

>>102462336
Meds.

>>102462246
>if you went to /hlgg/ to discuss Saba you could be banned for it
It sounds like that has happened recently since they made a renamed /xhlgg/ on the board.

>>102457427 (OP)
Bro it's not that deep

>>102462444
Nah, it's some solitary retard. I remember someone with a very similar style of writing and set of talking points from back when /Sakuna/ was still /here/. He'd come and try to awkwardly shit up the thread trying to make us move to his ex-Holo global.
I can imagine where the EN ex-Holo splits will tell him to go if he tries the same niggery with them.

>>102462513
The thread was created because of something that happened in /hlgg/. Whatever else has followed is separate.

>>102462412
Who else could have an incentive to be so retarded as to
>>I'm never going to use that website and I will simply continue to willfully spread misinformation about it even after I'm confronted and corrected on it
Are you some kind of imageboard tribalfag? A browncord threadshitter afraid of people moving to where you can't behave like a baboon without eating a ban?

>>102462550
Any pointers? Was it Saba? Give me a keyword to dig through the archive.

>>102457427 (OP)
I'm mad at "Roa" because Shion promised me she would NEVER COME BACK AND NOT TO LOOK FOR HER

WHY DO YOU DO THIS TO ME YOU BRAT

>>102462603
I don't know, I just saw them talking about wanting /hlgg/ to be like /hlg/. I presume the mod in /hlgg/ banned some Saba posters because they have this tendency to turn into obnoxious antis.

>>102462583
I'm a contrarian therefore new popular thing bad and old unpopular 4chan good.
>threadshitter
I just don't want to post in an heavily moderated hugbox and I virtually have no reason to post there because there's nothing there for me to discuss.

>>102457427 (OP)
>Does anyone really believe people would watch clips but not the debut?
Yes, absolutely. Especially English viewers for a JP vtuber. Not everyone knows enough Japanese to watch live, and not everyone can stay up until fuckin' 3AM or whatever due to time zones.

>>102462617
>sea clipper thumbnail
Yeah, the most authoritative source of information

>>102462550
Lmao, hi singular retard
This faggot got mad that he can't talk about certain vtubers there and sperged out thinking it's unfair. That's about it. He's been trying this for months and had zero success.

>>102462701
What are you even talking about?

>>102462684
>I just don't want to post in an heavily moderated hugbox and I virtually have no reason to post there because there's nothing there for me to discuss.
Ah, got it. You're just a brown threadshitter. Thanks for clarifying.

>>102462684
can understand why with that ESL, I bet you're ban on sight

>>102462603
The /xhlgg/ guy started throwing fits over people disliking his gay ass indie avengers slop shitposting and him trying to force a global for fanbases that;
a.) Have their own healthy splits and
b.)Barely have anything to do with each other outside of three of the ENs still hanging out
/xhlgg/ was entirely like two tatsunoko and one aquacrew larger before the hack, it's a thread for nobody

>>102462683
>they have this tendency to turn into obnoxious antis
Oh hi, phasefag false-flagging as a holodrone.

>>102462743
Ah I see. Singular retard confirmed then.

>>102462755
Sabakeks constantly shit on hololive members. You cannot deny this when you do it too. It doesn't matter if you claim you do it as a joke or something.

>>102462737
My first sentence is intentionally misspelled you fucking gramar nazi.

>>102462802
>sabakek
I mean I could entertain your flimsy points but verbiage like that instantly betrays you're the same kinda jungle dweller that gets mass deleted in /#/ on a daily basis. I guess, your ape intelligence really can't grasp some concepts.

>>102462695
You can listen to the stream yourself EOP fatlard pos

>>102462808
>I went full retard on purpose
>I was trolling you
try not crying

>>102462873
Gura's fans literally admit to insulting hololive members for fun.

>>102462907
Write that in Japanese, seamurai-chama.

>>102457427 (OP)
Trannyvengers got stale faster than marvelslop

>>102462917
Jesus Christ it's just harmless memespeak! Were you repeatedly dropped on your head as a baby?

>>102462808
>an heavily
Lmfao, the double down ESL rape
Delicious. You can stop now ESLchama

>>102457793
In fairness, one look at the Fandeads can show just how terribly following a person's career can go after they leave a corporation

>>102462393
>Shion was the hottest vtuber design ever
Her vtuber model looked like she was in middle school and even for Hololive it was really bad in terms of a pedobait design.

>>102462393
>they couldn't imagine how that blue abomination could be a follow up to Murasaki Shion
A vtuber wearing modest clothes should not trigger this much anger and I pray this was bait for the bait thread.

>>102457793
>Some corpocucks will simply not watch their indie oshis no matter if their content is exactly the same or their model is better.
LMAO
Ligger subhumans literally do the same, just look at how they treat Cecilia, you mongoloid.
It's okay when we INDIEGODS do it.

>>102463940
Her split was basically unusable for months after debut because of them

>>102463940
>It's okay when we INDIEGODS do it
Absolutely.
>Cecilia
I don't know anything about her particular case and I don't see why they would anti her unless they felt it was a betrayal? Still weird.

>>102463995
Cover whores deserve worse. You're either with Saba or you're subhuman scum. Anyone still in hololive is Saba's enemy.

>>102462617
She said Shion is not coming back. That's why she chose graduation, not affiliation or whatever. No lies here.

>>102457427 (OP)
I thought Shion said she was going to get a real job and not stream anymore?

>>102464227
>You're either with saba or you're sabahuman scum.

That's an oxymoron, retard.

>>102464256
that's because you get your info from the catalog

>>102463940
Indiebrowns are browns and hold an inferiority complex

>>102463737
why are you assuming that what I found hot is the skimpy clothes? You are giving yourself away seething femoid and to keep you seething, I prefer her goth lolita outfit.

>>102457427 (OP)
Why would I care about her again? Model downgrade btw.

>>102457427 (OP)
…
This is ironic, right?

>>102459013
>>102458597

>>102460883
Well said honestly. I don’t agree that they’re bad for leaving but it does diminish their content.

>>102457427 (OP)
kys ENcuck

>>102463940
Because the content does change when going from indie to corpo, she has way more restrictions and game options to stream.
Poor girl will never get a solo live anyway, not even Kiara got one.

>>102460883
It's pretty simple but somehow people don't get it
I follow hololive because it's an idol group I like, when they leave, they aren't even idols anymore, just streamers (who then go on to interact with the same sort of e-girl streamers I don't like)
It's like saying someone's in the wrong if they liked an AKB member and then didn't continue following them if they decided to go do American porn after leaving

>>102464679
She's the most popular vtuber of all time every hololive member that has more subs than her currently got there because of her. Nobody had 1 million before her. She should have more than all of them combined. She's clearly being sabotaged by YouTube.

>>102465063
Porn is not remotely the same as collabing on stream with people you hate for no reason you nigger.

>>102465063
>when they leave, they aren't even idols anymore
By what logic? Solo idols are a thing in Japan, you know.

>>102465782
Bait used to be believable

>>102465782
Uh

Ok

>>102465782
Jannies can you smack down this annoying falseflagging faggot? He's probably the OP as well, "cull bots" is a well known shitpost

>>102457427 (OP)
>Eh, what's this retarded take? Kimoi!

>>102465895
It's like saying cottontailva is an "idol" because she's for some ungodly reason in a concert with tungsten rodent

>>102462393
You are a seething troon

>>102462617
Smartest thumbnail watcher!! Not even clipwatcher, you aren't on that level.

>>102466793
How is she not an idol?

>>102457448
This, it's an OK model standalone but Shion was several times better.

>>102458296
>and supported some of the worst ideas Cover came up with
To be 100% fair to her, she HAD to, that was literally her job. She had to promote and push the homos, she had to do the same for the girls and any other dumb shit Cover did like that holoearth garbage that's still not done at all. She has no say on the matter like some of the girls do, it was literally her job to do what she was told and iirc she mentioned how at some point it became too much when she had to push for shit she didn't agree with.

Take your meds.

>>102462583
NTA but you people being so fucking incredulous that no, people who used 4chan for like 20 years are not going to leave because some randos made a knockoff altchan. Altchans are peak newfag insecurity, always have been. They also always go down into some deteriorated drama state eventually. I just know better than to go stan for some wannabe elitist den. That entire site relies on the fact there are 2-3 people in the world who are big enough if fucking utter useless neet losers to not only do it for free but do it for free for what, a couple hundred people, and act like they are on top of the world for it. Randomly accusing people of being jannies all the time is projection, I bet it's tower jannies (all two of them) who fucking flip out at the suggestion they are not hot shit and some people will never be impressed by them.

People saying this is a downgrade never watched Shion's streams.
Her model looked absolutely retarded 24/7 and it was not pleasant to look at. You only liked her model because of porn.

>>102458144
>corporate oversight
You mean like when they accidentally threw Ina's visa paperwork in the trash can? Or when they sexually assaulted their own employees? Or when Kronii had to get in a fist fight with a Cover employee that was screaming at her manager? Or when the guy in charge of getting game permissions took half a year off? Or when they forced Irys to damage her voice? Or when they "guided" Gura so well in her career that she decided to just fucking quit?

>>102467660
Japanese company, please understand.

>>102467584
But when will it go down?

>>102467660
And they're winning. The indie avengers are dying. Roa flopped.

>>102457427 (OP)
You shitpost but some people actually believe this

>>102467757
I dunno. It might be in a good state for 2 more months or 2 more years. But no altchan has really been that successful ever out of dozens made from rando boards.

15 years ago /jp/ had two altchans made because guess what, it didn't like the mods not doing enough there to stop the board being flooded out. I have seen all this fucking shit before. I literally-do know better.

>>102467462
>To be 100% fair to her, she HAD to, that was literally her job.
Nobody was breathing down her neck to make her post weird tweets about holostars. Her only job was to relay information to the public and she let her own stance show.

>>102467584
NTA but I've been on all kinds of chans since 2007 and you kinda have to admit /vt/ is a uniquely mismanaged board.

>>102467926
Moot himself let /jp/ burn. I don't think you realize the extent of just how shitty things have been in the past. The problem people have isn't that staff don't like chuubas it's that they don't all like "the right ones" in their eyes. They project their tribalism out onto them and are in fact so tribalistic they fled the presence of too many "others."

>>102464959
So the content changes when going from indie to corpo, but the inverse isn't true? Are you retarded?

>>102467926
>Nooo they can't let people criticize my SACRED GARDEN noooooooo pls mod delet pls mod nooooo no criticism for golden hololive pls no hololive criticism or i leave for nyfco hololive edition nooooo

It’s like a zoo in here. I can watch stupid people be stupid in their natural habitat.

>>102468168
>pls mod delet pls mod nooooo no criticism for golden hololive pls no hololive criticism
You're trying to joke but Sharty chatlog leaks shows the jannies unironically seethe about the fact this is a Hololive board lol

>>102468456
The actual mod who oversees here (sharkmeido) was always a holofag. Even now he still shows his colors by stickying the Saba debut. No indie ex-holo has ever had that happen. This is his board, you're just living in it. At the same time he can't force people what to like or not, his job is not to be the taste judger and if jannies all have fucking horrible taste he will just sit there and say nothing instead of berate them and make them do even less than they already do.

I would surmise that the mods specifically wanted people who knew a lot about various parts of this board, aka aren't gonna just camp one or two threads and ignore everything else. because like half+ of here was not Holo even pre hack. That actually would make sense. But people are kneejerky children.

>>102457427 (OP)
>NUMBERS NUMBERS NUMBERS
I do not care. I just enjoy chuubas.

>>102457427 (OP)
>waits way more time than the others to debut
>gets a weaker model not even by the original artist
>model doesn't match the original appeal of why she was so popular(bratty cunny witch with constantly teasing eyebrows expression to a girl who just looks tired)
>act surprised that less people are interested

I won’t watch ex holos unless they explicitly say they are only collabing with ex holos. Don’t want to support someone who might pass off their success to some leeching ass indies who didn’t put in the holo idol reps to get where they are

>people getting filtered by the model
It’s a good way to see who stays for her and not her previous body

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Shion wasn't funny or interesting, like most "give me your money, atm" type streamers I just wanted to fuck her model.