Why don't male vtubers succeed outside of a very very small few? I don't really buy the whole "the audience isn't there argument", because think about it for a second. The biggest K-POP group in the world by far is a male one (BTS), and we all know their audience is majority female. There's tons of successful Japanese male idols irl. NSYNC and the Backstreet Boys utterly dominated in their era and guys would never admit they listened to it out of fear of being called gay. We all know plenty of female otaku exist and that women get horny.
So why the failure then? Is it because they try to be brotubers instead of male idols? Are they just not pandering to female sensibilities enough?

>>102459947 (OP)
Because playing stardew valley and dress up games is fucking boring, less men want to be pickmes

They're in a medium women don't watch.

>>102459947 (OP)
>NSYNC and the Backstreet Boys utterly dominated in their era and guys would never admit they listened to it out of fear of being called gay
I listened to them because I was like 7-8 back then and my sister forced me to listen to them. Had to share the tv with the cable box.

>>102459947 (OP)
It's easier to be a male flesh streamer, there isn't a looks based barrier to entry like for females.

>>102459947 (OP)
vtubing is about cute anime girls

>>102459947 (OP)
Male vtubers are inherently defective people because regular men don't have to demean themselves to find success as streamers

>>102460463
There is no such thing for females either.

>>102459947 (OP)
Because men are way less scared of being doxxed and just care less about privacy in general so the dudes that would actually be successful as VTubers (like Jerma, Critikal, the Vinesauce boys and any other dude that has a somewhat "handsome" voice and decent sense of humor) have less reasons to put on a anime boy skinsuit

>>102460566
If she's a legit gamer/otaku sure but if she's inconsistent with basic knowledge of shit like DBZ then she better look like amouranth.

>>102459947 (OP)
Brotubing is just a nerf since watching male chuubas feels gay to significant portion male audience. Going the fujo pandering route is hard since the supply of lonely women is so limited, they can just push a few buttons on their phones to get dicked down

>>102459947 (OP)
Because it's ricecels doing it and not white men.

>>102459947 (OP)
I guess women can't suspend their disbelief and must have visual confirmation their Oshi is actually handsome

>>102459947 (OP)
I'm a male VTuber and I think part of the issue is the common view on men. You're expected to be self sufficient and self made and no one wants to hear you talk about needing help. Out of the thousands of viewers I've had come by my stream, I've had about three assist me with getting the word out about my streams.

>>102462096
Shut up Jurard go beg for another Holo collab and maybe one day Pekora might make fun of you in Japanese.

>>102459947 (OP)
I watch male streamers because they're good at video games that I care about. If I wanted to watch a male vtuber for the exact same reason I'd have to go out of my way to find one. But why would I? Most people are introduced to vtubing via female vtuber clips so by that point you probably know a couple of vtubers for entertainment, so why bother to find one that's male AND is good at video game X or Y?
On the fujo side of things they only care about the same shit that male unicorns do and if the streamer stops putting out like with Voxx they just move on to the next guy with a deep voice doing ASMR BFE. So basically unicorns with no loyalty.
HolostarsEN didn't lean into BFE and went with the "brotuber" route so they naturally won't get as many viewers when they're competing with their much more popular female colleagues that dominate the male market.
As for indies they're either pro players that happen to have a vtuber avatar or they just do FoTM/collab slop which you could just watch a female for.

>>102459947 (OP)
Because vtubers are for the incel audience, and femcels don't really exist

>>102462201
Wrong person, I'm a no name indie.

>>102459947 (OP)
Vtubing is a female-dominated industry.
Male vtubers are a minority, and as such as significantly less visible. Therefore, even if the audience is open to male vtubers, they simply aren't being found.

Personally I do think that part of the issue is what male vtubers tend to do/be.
A LOT of them attempt to have sexy models and try to capture a female audience with content and personas catered to what they think women will gravitate towards. And quite frankly, I don't think there's a huge audience for that. That audience that IS there for that are Nijisisters, who are of course highly loyal to their company and rarely wander elsewhere.

The other side of things is that a lot of male vtubers are... well... male vtuber fans. They're socially-stunted, many have terrible voices (the audio experience is THE most important part of a stream), and more often than not terribly unfunny despite their efforts.
In this realm we also see a lot of rancid models. Everyone says that your model isn't everything but it DOES have to at least look good. (Tangentially, I believe this is a big reason why we don't see many black vtubers gain success. Of the few dozen I've seen, maybe three or four had decent designs.) Most male vtubers are 1views, and most 1views have shitty models.

Because of the demographics that watch vtubers (majority male), a male vtuber has to be rather exceptional to get any attention.
One of the best examples is Lord Aethelstan, who started out by doing goofy Twitter posts and making music. Turns out he's got a pleasant voice, is a generally great guy, and very funny. So when bigger vtubers found him from his music, the viewers followed for his personality.

>>102459947 (OP)
90% of stream watchers are men or teenagers who think anime is cringe and don't want to watch a cartoon larp on screen

>>102459947 (OP)
Much like how some of the best female vtubers are hags, male vtubers would need to be ojisans.

>>102459947 (OP)
You are trying to equate like 3 different things into one which is a extremely retarded

>>102459947 (OP)
>Is it because they try to be brotubers instead of male idols?
Yes. If they want to attract the male idol fans at least, they need to commit. But no male vtuber has tried seriously.
-Good singers never sing idol like songs.
-Instead of individuals, women prefer groups where they can get attached to their relationships and ship them.
-Dancing is also a big appeal that's extremely difficult to do unless you are big on resources for model, studio and lessons.
-They aren't careful enough with their image. Fujos like one or two jokes about dicks but men easily can cross lines that most women find gross for an anime boy.

Not even Holostars, who are part of idol company, come close to fulfilling those conditions. Companies who try to push the entertainers approach don't realize that what works for female vtubers doesn't for males.

>>102459947 (OP)
>and guys would never admit they listened to it out of fear of being called gay
Hey man, Backstreet's Back and I Want It That Way are legit good songs

>>102464420
>That audience that IS there for that are Nijisisters, who are of course highly loyal to their company and rarely wander elsewhere.
This, like 5 dudes in Niji completely dominate the pussy market, and I'm not hating on the success or anything but they've basically pushed out everyone else.

>>102459947 (OP)
>join corpo
>realize the only way to get money is by pandering to fat yumes
>limit your growth because your model and you want money so only pander to women because there is no good male entertainer in vtubing
>you miss out on 95% of the vtuber audience
>stay in corpo because you will fail without it
>leave corpo and milk your audience dry or fall into irrelevancy

>>102464420
Then explain Vedal with the model argument
>inb4 his fans are gay men, not women, because he's a femboy twink
Even so, it's a fucking turtle that sits on Neuro's head

>>102459947 (OP)
I'm a male pornvtuber and it's easy, you just need to exercise and have a 20+cms cock, you never post your face so it's ok if you are uglier than a troll.
A voice changer to make your voice super deep helps too.

>>102459947 (OP)
Because people who are fans of real life boybands aren't watching vtubers you retard. Even a majority of female otaku who are into popular stuff like Enstars and Hypmic don't care for vtubers and some even hate them and get mad when the two are mixed.

The audience is there, the thing is that audience is completely localized in Nijisanji. The male vtubers there completely dominated that market and have a chokehold on it. No fujo or yume who's been loyal to Nijisanji for 5+ years is going to oshihen to Holostars or other male vtubers. When new viewers become curious obviously they get drawn to the more popular group as well. Holostars being an idol group can't even work in their favor as a niche because Niji males sing and dance too.

Uproar are going to be in the upcoming Anicul Sonic, where seiyuu from Utapri, Hypmic and SideM will be performing. The majority of that audience is going to be there for the latter, so we'll have to see if Uproar can charm those idol otaku into vtubers, but I don't really have faith in Uproar. They should have sent the older Holostar members.

>>102466245
nta but the turtle model is visually appealing. It's also the safe option. A conventional male apperance that is easier to fumble (or vtuber artists aren't good at drawing men) and perhaps causes dissonance/unfamiliarity in viewers because we see less vtuber men in the first place

>>102459947 (OP)
>The biggest K-POP group in the world by far is a male one (BTS)
Those kpop groups effectively go after the women that might have watched male vtubers. Luxiem showed that the Chinese fujo market was almost competing with HoloEN for a short while but has massively declined in only 2 years. There is a vtuber market for guys but it's less than one tenth the size, has more casual fans, and competes with carefully designed kpop groups that have been slowly refined over decades.

>>102466245
Vedal was lifted up by Neuro, who is and has always been the real star of his channel

>>102466398
>exercise
>20cm+
>deep voice
you've convinced me anon. bless

>>102460402
>I was like 7-8 back then and my sister forced me to listen to them
you went through this shit too, anon?

If you currently aren't thriving as a male in the normal streamer scape, you have little to no chance as a vtuber. Unless your model is utter dogshit a female can get away just fine with being a vtuber, but being a male one won't automatically give you the X factor to your success.

>>102459947 (OP)
Your mistake is thinking vtubers = idols.
They never will and never will be on level of real idols. Neither male or female.
If you look at them as anime characters instead it will be more clear for you.
The typical popular male archetypes are simply impossible to translate into streaming medium. That's not the case with female.

>>102459947 (OP)
>The biggest K-POP group in the world by far is a male one (BTS),
this is the thing, to be a male vtuber, you have to be a group. women want to have other women to talk about all their fictional boyfriends and watch them play together like animals in an enclosure and have each person in their friend group each be dedicated to a specific member. solo males don't give that. that's why they all play their LADS and Enstars and shit. The group aspect is important, and trying to make it all on your own is stupid. The group can even have women in it, but there needs to be the group.

>>102460463
There must be some

because there's a person behind the vtuber avatar. for men, they would most likely fuck whoever is behind it so they don't really care and can fully immerse in their fantasies. women know the person behind the model is a fucking loser though, they can't get past that so it's just all cringe.

>>102466245
What about it? It's cute, people like cute things.

>>102462096
>I think part of the issue is the common view on men. You're expected to be self sufficient and self made and no one wants to hear you talk about needing help.
Shinri from homostars debuted as the most self assured and well adjusted male and he's one of the worst performing males on the planet. meanwhile Jurard and Bettel make hand over fist tens of thousands each month by being a boyfailure. objective reality says you're wrong.

>>102466245
>Then explain Vedal
there have been hundreds of males who use female models. they use the excuse of "i'm a teddy bear and the girl holding me is mute and just the mascot" but the difference is that there's no layer between the male and the audience. at least with vedal you have the curtain of "you're not interacting with vedal, you're interacting with the AI" so it's safer.

>>102466400
The tweet of Uyu's crossdressing outfit went semi viral and yet his numbers even didn't budge. Even if they get a spotlight, there's simply nothing interesting about them that makes people want to follow.

Also, I disagree about the choice of sending Uproar. They still have hope, while the rest of Holostars has given up on trying to be idols.

>>102466400
>The audience is there, the thing is that audience is completely localized in Nijisanji. The male vtubers there completely dominated that market and have a chokehold on it.
>first EN corpo wave during the time when the demand was at its highest
>no creepy ultra conservative, purity culture
>models that look good (compare Mysta and Luca to Vesper and Magni)