Love em or hate em, they always doing good for the vtuber community

He has a bunch of good models

>>102483190 (OP)
a reminder
>help a vtuber buy her IP from a dead corpo for her to keep
>help an artist's booth that got damaged

>>102483190 (OP)
>they
he

Hate to play armchair psychiatrist but he is either:
1. Hiding something to deflect blame by doing good deeds
2. Feels guilt about something and keeps trying to absolve themselves of it
Probably the being male thing is eating away at them.

>>102483190 (OP)
he's a deceptive, manipulative voice changing tranny who can't deal with the fact that his success would be nothing without their model because they know they'll never be a real girl and is copping all the money from retarded, horny teenagers to get his own dick chopped off

>>102483190 (OP)
>Actual man
I have nothing good to say about this grifter tranny.

>>102483190 (OP)
No, he's disgusting.

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>>102483488
Is being a man the worst thing he's done? Because thats pretty harmless as far things vtubers have done to earn hate imho

>>102483386
Zen took the money and ran away, that's how he can afford to groom people

>>102483190 (OP)
She/he i dont give a fuck actually has to follow through with this all these feel good "i want to do this I want to do that" doesnt mean shit

>>102483674
Being a man and LYING about being a man is pretty fucking bad dude. That's textbook grifting. Had he just been a male vtuber nobody would have cared.

>>102483732
ratt: they thoughts vshojo gonna help and actually get new people /in/ but when nothings came out of it they left and they doing it on their own right now

>>102483863
Believable ratt i could see this happening

>>102483859
...Why? It's a vtuber. Aren't you only supposed to care about the character, not the fleshy behind it?

>>102483959
If you are supporting a creator and in some cases -giving money- to a creator under the pretense that you are supporting a woman only to find out they are secretly a man and PRETENDED to be a woman just to attract more viewers, you have been used. It's grifting dude, I cannot make this any simpler for you. It's the same principal as dating a woman online and sending her gifts only to find out eventually she was actually a man, though admittedly with some hyperbole as obviously a random vtuber fan isn't going to be dating or fucking the vtuber. Still, the fact remains that Zen is lying about being a woman for the SOLE PURPOSE of attracting a larger audience and getting more money. That is grifting.

>>102483959
>>102483859
It wouldn't be a problem if he was a babiniku. Yeah his views would tank but the prime motivation for his audience is they think he is a woman and he knows.

it bothers me that others are forced to play along, made more disturbing if they are unaware of the truth

>>102484217
>>102484276
Who cares?
Seriously, it's a vtuber. If I cared about what they were behind it I'd watch a fleshie.

>>102484431
That might be your personal view anon but people don't like grifters and Zen is a TEXTBOOK grifter. Surely you can understand that while you personally don't care, others would take offense to this.

>>102483190 (OP)
>>102483386
Don't make them into an iron lung 2.0 already

>>102484463
How are they grifting? Of all the people to accuse of grifting, you pick the dude picking 2views off the street and buying models for ex-corpos?

Zen is Zen as quoted from their twitch channels about section. Please provide proof Zen has ever claimed to actually be female.

>>102484463
>people don't like grifters
False. Grifters are the best in the business, because they understand their target audience and take active effort to appeal to them.
People don't like grifters who get caught due to the uncanny valley effect from severe skill issue at grifting properly.

>>102484567
on the contrary there is a clip that zen keeps dmca-ing since it outs them as male

>>102484515
>How are they grifting?
Do you not know what grifting is? Like the ACTUAL definition of the word? A "grifter" is someone who obtains money illicitly or dishonestly. If you are making money from lies, that is grifting. Zen is lying about being a man and making much more money than he ever could as a male vtuber as a result of that. That is grifting, anon.
>>102484624
That doesn't mean people like grifters. That just means the grifter is good at grifting and they don't know they're being fucking grifted.

>>102483190 (OP)
muh helped someone get their model

>>102484824
By your definition, every single vtuber is a grifter for not actually being a dragon/dog/mouse/whatever

>>102483190 (OP)
That's a man.
I don't care for the actions of a man pretending to be a woman for years.
Nothing he has done is inspiring in any way.

>>102484972
That's completely different and are using a shit load of hyperbole. It's OBVIOUS the vtuber cat girl isn't an actual fucking cat girl. It's NOT obvious than Zen isn't a woman because he uses an artificial female voice.

>>102485090
>That's completely different
How? They even say they're a cat girl if you ask them.
They're totally grifting.

>>102485090
>and are using
and you are using*, dunno how that got left out.
>>102485143
Anon this is a really bad argument. Again it's obvious because cat girls don't actually exist.

>>102484824
The only people who aren't grifting in the content creation business are painfully boring 1views who don't give a fuck if nobody watches them.

>>102485217
Yes, anon. And neither do dragon/robot girls. I'm not seeing the issue here.
Zen's a vtuber. Hell, they're the most vtuber of all vtubers because even their voice is artificial.
They're a vtuber. If you care at all about their life offstream, then you aren't a vtuber fan, you're just a doxxfag who wants to judge people.

People continue to seethe about Zen who continues to be successful, antis are gonna keep being antis.

>>102485410
>>102485273
>>102485478
We get it you're coping because you gave money to a man. Move on.

>>102485478
idk man, it's still pretty gay

>>102483190 (OP)
a troon who's too afraid of revealing his true voice and continues grooming underage boys

Why hasn't Zen moved to live AI voice filters (these are very good these days) instead of jarring text to speech? I don't care about zen being a dude or whateer, I just can't get over the TTS.

>>102483190 (OP)
>ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME

>>102483190 (OP)
When your entire identity is based on a lie, it's all meaningless.

>>102483190 (OP)
>BRO -HE- GAVE A SMALL PORTION OF THE MONEY -HE- STOLE FROM -HIS- VIEWERS UNDER THE PRETENSE OF BEING FEMALE TO A RANDOM 2VIEW! ZEN IS SUCH A GOOD -MAN-!
lol
lmao
hahahahahaha

>>102483426
BREAKING: Local /vt/ resident cannot even FATHOM someone doing something NICE for the sake of being NICE

TOP 10 donate for mousey

>>102485910
being "nice" to the wrong people makes you an enabler

>>102485974
>lets give the multimillionaire more money boo-hoo

>>102483386
>help a vtuber buy her IP
then made her collab with him and a black guy

>>102483190 (OP)
Zen bailed when hiring those nobodies didn’t work out. Real nice person huh? Yeah sure.

>>102483190 (OP)
Hes a dude but hes a good dude. Simple as that.

one of those rare situations when everyone involved is a bad person

>>102485670
At this point it's their brand. It IS Zen's voice
They got an upgrade or something recently and now the model responds about as fast as he can talk.

>>102486387
It's tiltify. They don't see a cent.

>>102483190 (OP)
Anyone who remembers VSW alewady know it :V.

> largest VRC streamer/Vtuber group on Twitch of it's time.
> Genuinely good atmosphere of support for each other, with Zen somehow finding time to check om even smallest 1-views.
> Melody's Frikya event was as big and well organized only because it basically was just VSW event.
> Shit exploded day 1 after Zen left.

>>102483190 (OP)
Xigneon's bussy

>>102483190 (OP)
>>102483386
>literally just trying to do good things for people
>anons still seethe