is the "kayfabe" and "privacy" part of vtubers dead now? You know, the whole reason people want to become anime girls online in the first place. Creating their own character, having a different name, chucking in some lore to make it more fun. Why can't current vtuber "fans" seem to grasp this, and why do they keep pressuring vtubers about their IRL selves and talking about their past lives like it's nothing? when the fuck did we have a paradigm shift.

>>102506701 (OP)
>is the "kayfabe" and "privacy" part of vtubers dead now?
Remember those rules Japanese corps have?
They don't look so bad now huh?

>>102506701 (OP)
>pressuring vtubers about their IRL selves
projection.
Also, dont you fucking use Mori for your bs

>>102506701 (OP)
>You know, the whole reason people want to become anime girls online in the first place.
Not always.
Have you ever been evaluated for autism? Because you're attempting to apply a rigid ruleset to all cases when it really doesn't apply, and then getting upset when it doesn't hold.

>>102506701 (OP)
Dead for a while now. Everybody now casually tosses shit like "oh this vtuber is now called so-so, go support her in this new account", no subtlety.

>>102506831
>"oh this vtuber is now called so-so, go support her in this new account", no subtlety.
that's LITERALLY the point of graduation. you're supposed to do that.

>>102506831
anon there's an ex-holo general in /vt/. privacy is dead

>>102506884
holy retardation, where the fuck do you people come from

>>102506701 (OP)
ENtuber was a mistake.

>>102506701 (OP)
>being someone you're not for multiple days a week
Not surprising the kayfabe usually washes away after a while.

It will simply exist for those who want it. For some people making that differentiation is hard but I believe anyone with a room temperature IQ will have the decency to treat them with respect if they still want that veil.

>>102506981
alright, what do you think graduation is?

>>102506701 (OP)
Its not dead as long as you follow the right people. And most of the money follows the right people. Its called the free market in action.

>>102507956
To leave and come back under a different name with no ties to the past, or at most, a small nod / hint.
People are supposed to search for it, not be spoonfed.

>>102508062
Not always.
Have you ever been evaluated for autism? Because you're attempting to apply a rigid ruleset to all cases when it really doesn't apply, and then getting upset when it doesn't hold.

>>102506701 (OP)
Yes, it is dead for EN at least.
Nimi is the biggest indie to start this.
You should stick to JP only if kayfabe is your thing.

>>102508102
>>102506807
Have you been evaluated for autism because repeating yourself trying to apply some nonsense to someone to label them is a huge sign of having it.

>>102508062
...no?
The whole point of graduation is to take the fans you gained during your "schooling" into your new, independent phase of your career.

>>102508197
>trying to apply some nonsense to someone to label them
I never said they were autistic. I said it was a possibility, that's were the "evaluation" part of it factors it. By being a possibility, there must be an alternative outcome: not having autism.

>>102508201
No it most certainly isn't. Graduation is the cessation of a persona of a vtuber. It only has the name graduation because it sounds nicer than that and to have people feel like the vtuber in question is advancing to the next stage of their life out into the open world like the common folk and have a 9-5.

>>102506701 (OP)
EN has been overrun by tourists since 2023

>>102508320
Oh jesus fucking christ, anon, that's literally not why the term is called that. You are literally, factually, objectively incorrect here.

>>102508201
>The whole point of graduation is to take the fans you gained during your "schooling" into your new, independent phase of your career.
That's only IF they come back and only IF it's within a certain time frame. A chuuba that left for over a year and comes back with no notice doesn't fit your idea of graduation.

>>102508320
This post has the same energy as that one guy that said you shouldn't be promoting your oshi. I really wish I saved that post. Actually, I'm going to go search through the archive to find it.

>>102506701 (OP)
>Another thread complaining about indies not following the rules?
OP the whole appeal of indies is that 'there are no rules'. Its a double-edge sword but thats indie-life. If you dont like it STOP WATCHING INDIES

>>102508201
no its not, its simply the ceasing of being a vtuber, whatever happens next is up to what they do and its not necessarily something where you take your fans with. graduation just means they are moving to a different stage in life. whether rebranding, retiring completely, or doing something else is separate and not inherently connected to what they used to do.

>>102508646
because these outliers ruin the rest by attracting tourists into the platform. then they'll start acting as if this is the norm because the vtuber they watched do it.

>>102508571
found the specific examle i was thinking of

>>102508320
Buddy, "graduation" comes from idol group culture. You might want to look into it, because you're making yourself look like a fool right now.

>>102506701 (OP)
It died when the Dookiebird incident happened. It was just mask off with everyone directly referring to past life and reincarnation.
Funny enough, Nimrod was the one that this doubled down on. Even Reddit shitters weren’t even being subtle about what a Lemonleaf was.

>>102508873
he's right

>>102506701 (OP)
Unironically, blame Doki for that

>>102506701 (OP)
indies were always shit, the west always had a stupid cargo cult interpretation/idea of vtubing. basically stick with holo and hope for the best because there's really not a lot else in the space worth clinging to long term.

>>102509851
YWNBJ

western vtubers were a mistake
or at least letting all those ethots that complained about vtubers in 2019 become them - it was made to rot from the inside

>>102509806
Which "he" are you referring to?

>>102509922
the oshi guy

>>102506701 (OP)
>vtubing era starts
>women have one job: be a cute interactive anime girl
>western women see they are being replaced by anime women
>they take over anime avatars but forgot about 'one job'
>there's a corpo that tries its damnest to remember about 'one job'
>women in there do 'one job'
>woman leaves corpo
>in half a year forgets about 'one job'

>>102509920
>western vtubers were a mistake
>Saying as if Rushia being married to Mafufu or whatever his name is wasn't the biggest scandal in vtuber history

>>102510358
>>western women see they are being replaced by anime women
>>102510419
YWNBJ

>>102508363
80% of this board is just reddit trannies running damage control and doing the whole forced positivity shit.

>>102510472
You will never be... james? who dat?

>>102510137
no shit, anon, that's why i posted the image. did you think there was another reason?

>>102506701 (OP)
>when the fuck did we have a paradigm shift.
>holding indies to the same level as corpo vtubers when vtubing was created by corpos doing sort prerecorded videos
...

>>102506701 (OP)
You know there's a ton of married jp vtubers too right retard? Like popular ones that are open about it too. Your only bitching about it because western vtubing took hololives idol bullshit as the gospel of what vtubing is, when in reality jp vtubing doesn't follow that at all most of the time, people like the omega sisters absolutely don't do idol shit and continue to do a modern version of kizuna ai videos. Jp vtubing is better than western vtubing, but not because of some kayfabe bullshit, just that people actually do new shit or don't just copy hololive.

>>102512057
op didnt mention anything about marriage and talked about kayfabe

>>102506805
mori is the fakest person in hololive by a few tons

>>102512472
Fuwamoco tho

>>102512547
you can literally not separate between kayfabe and fakeness. do you watch a movie and think the actors are lying to you?

>>102506701 (OP)
It was over as soon as westerners came into the picture. It ceased to be about anime girls being cute and it started turning into just twitch with an anime mask

>>102506701 (OP)
>You know, the whole reason people want to become anime girls online in the first place.
Who are you to try change an entire area of streaming?
This has never been true.
There's entire niches within vtubing that don't get on with each other, some vtuber purists, some kayfabe purists, some who always treated it as an alternative to a facecam (the MAJORITY, INCLUDING MOST OF HOLOLIVE), vsingers, animators and so on.

>>102512941
>some who always treated it as an alternative to a facecam
guess why they prefer this anon, wait dont tell me, is it because of.. privacy?

>>102506701 (OP)
>now

>>102506749

>>102512585
>Mori really is a grim reaper, she's just not a very truthful one
Woah

>>102513016
It's because they can stream naked without having to put make-up on to look pretty.
There's a reason a lot of them are hags and housewives.
Half of the fuckers you even know about were Nico Nico Douga streamers and fucking TV show hosts / co-hosts / idols.
"Ptrivacy" he says without a hint of irony.

>>102513097
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>>102512472
>Muh fake.
>still delusional over Mori when every single CGDCT "champion" they had lied and one of them is getting married.
>Mori was transparent in saying that she's genuinely one of the guys and would collab with them if professionally asked.
Sunk cost fallacy has ruined your life.

>>102509920
>western vtubers were a mistake
true

>>102506701 (OP)
I don't know if you noticed but it's just like with anime. The actual fans have been pushed out and replaced by normalfags. We've become a tiny powerless minority in our own hobbies.

>>102512472
and that's a good thing.

>>102506701 (OP)
Was always going to be inevitable when vtubing spread beyond Japanese corpos and western (read: American) women got involved and went indie en-masse.

It was always a smokescreen for them to get attention.

>>102512941
nijisanji assraped vtubing from any good value by making it from funny character videos to 10 hour streaming.