YouTube/VTubing are not jobs. Why do people treat them like one, try to create businesses surrounding them, and then act surprised when it collapses?

>>102666807 (OP)
Cope. Hololive and nijisanji are sustainable according to their financial reports. In fact cover is printing money.
Maybe handing a billion models to ironmouse for free wasn't the smartest move.

>>102666807 (OP)
t. third world bluecollar with an unfulfilling "job"

>>102666935
>Hololive and nijisanji are sustainable
strong doubt

>>102666807 (OP)
Why are men so bad at handling money?

And people were angry when they learned talents paid for their concerts and albums themselves.

>>102666981
They are on the stock market....you can literally look at their numbers..

>>102666981
Unless you can somehow prove they're cooking the books and lying on their financial reports I'm afraid to inform you they make enough money to reinvest a shitton of profit back into the company (or rebuying stock in nijisanji's case).

>>102667232
Do you actually think YT ad revenue is that much? Only the biggest of the big on the entire platform can make a living off that, its scraps for everyone else. On Twitch it's even worse.

>>102666807 (OP)
>entertainment, merchandising and advertising aren't jobs
Shit you just collapsed multiple sectors of the economy my dude. Pack it in we're fucked the whole thing is coming down.

>>102666807 (OP)
>"Company" run by a scamming retard
>Goes under
>Act surprised
Meanwhile
>Cover
>Run like a business, though not a completely heartless one like Niji
>Dominating the market easily, can make their talents millionaires within a year and still turn a profit doing it
Just don't be stupid

>>102666807 (OP)
VSHOJOU TO THE MOON C'MON BROE!!!!
https://youtu.be/9NHHWu3FsHw&t=129

>>102666981
>2%
>Unsustainable
Pick your narrative

>>102666807 (OP)
did he run that by a lawyer? did he really want to put all of that in writing?

>>102667680
OK you clearly have no idea what you're talking about since you won't even put in 10 minutes to look up and read their financial reports. Their main source of income isn't streaming. It's not even close.

>>102667688
haha yeah good one anon

>>102666807 (OP)
He's right. These are just simps trying to defend their kweens. Being an onlyfans thot isnt a job, neither is being a streamer. It only exists in economies that are prosperous AND wasteful. But times have been rough, and we've seen cutbacks all around. People wont be spending little of their money for sub goodboi points when they cant afford to eat.

>>102666807 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF3HM793Iw8

>>102667680

>>102666807 (OP)
sorry about your shitty cubicle job, op, but you don't have to take it out on the funny anime ladies. i say this as someone who also has a shitty cubicle job.

>>102668397
Samefag

>>102666935
>My job on the internet as a girl with an anime avatar is sustainable
I genuinely hope you don't truly believe that.

entertaining thousands of people isnt a job, unlike jiggling my mouse so i look active on teams while gaming

>>102666807 (OP)
if what he says is true he didnt try to run it like a business he tried to run it like a fucking charity
>letting talents own their models, giving them bigger cuts, and all this other shit
this was a failed business venture from the start spearheaded by a retard

>>102668634
Sorry the truth hurts.

>>102667680
>Do you actually think YT ad revenue is that much?
It has been shown in Cover's financial reports for years that IP and merch sales make more than streaming.

>>102667815
A smart company wouldn't have let their most popular talent just up and leave. Gura is not only a stable of vtubing, but as of that dodgers game, a symbol of America itself. Imagine Homelander walking out on Vought.

>>102666807 (OP)
he simped too hard for the talents

>>102667135
still better than women kek

>>102666807 (OP)
But aren't people saying to no end how streaming is among the easiest jobs in the world?
Because that's probably true, and irrelevant at the same time.
It turns out running a successful single-man business, nearly every creator and vtuber, is tough as nails regardless of how easy streaming may be.

So what happens when you give your ""employees"" nearly all of the open-ended burdens from internet sole-proprietorship, like being ultimately responsible for your own growth and organizing things on your end, without the upsides expected from shouldering them?

Actual workers at least have a minimum of labor protections and a tangibly defined area of responsibilities to follow, not this weird clusterfuck that defines company-chained freelancers.
If corporate vtubers were more like genuine employees, being more tightly ordered and directed, given a specific set of tasks to complete, and paid a real base salary, that would actually be vastly more preferable to what we have now.

Only one company still gets away with this, since they've already amassed and gatekept a sizeable audience to conditionally lend to their contract signers. Yet now it appears even those large paychecks weren't enough, when talents began realizing they can engage with said "gatekept" audience on their own terms.
Who knows which one of the later two gens will be the first to leave?

>>102670956
>smart and healthy
you cant praise them any higher

>>102670956
>bringing up Homelander
You haven't watched the show have you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEyrJ-sCGVo
This is probably a 1 on 1 recreation of an interaction between Gura and Yagoo

>>102673953
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEC8URRaZoI

>>102666807 (OP)
I didn't care enough for Vhoejoes to learn about the ceo, but just based on the images of him I had an off feeling about him and in the end he was just another scammer bro

>>102670126
I know. Eventually, you'll realize that the world doesn't work on your delusional logic

>>102666807 (OP)
>YouTube/VTubing are not jobs.
Yes, the multibillion dollar entertainment industry is 'not a job'.
Of course.

>>102675079
They're a bubble, like dotcoms in the 2000s or crypto during the pandemic. It's not sustainable, every single vtuber will be working at McDonalds once the general public finally gets bored and the gachis realize their oshis don't care about them and only see them as easy money (see: Nimi).

>>102666935
fpbp
>>102666981
>>102668833
cope

>>102676135
>dotcoms in the 2000s or crypto during the pandemic
Those are interesting examples to use considering both recovered to multi-trillion dollar valuations and all time highs after their respective bubbles...

>>102666807 (OP)
>"suddenly" collapses
>Not with years of robbing money
This post is from a Vshojo Employee to drive the narrative. Shit on him.

>>102666807 (OP)
The only vtubers I consider "having jobs" are hololive members. Everybody else is a hobby-level at best. Both because hololive members get a salary on top of their cuts of SCs and merch and stuff but also because they do a fuckload of non-streaming work for songs and concerts.

>>102667680
Both companies' financial reports tell you exactly how much their yt and twitch revenue is worth (spoiler: the companies rely on those platforms for only a fraction of their income)

Americans do not understand roleplay, that's why Nimi is still going because she thinks people should pay her for entertainment value or some shit. Japanese people understand that real life is waging for 12 hours at the office, then going home to spend 4 hours listening to Kawaii-chan tell you how ureshii she is that you're here and give her donos of 100 and 500 yen because you're a brokefag due to japan not paying overtime.

Westoids fundamentally can't understand it's not about their fucking life, or livelihood, it's about me wanting to see a virtual cute girl make kissy noises while she uwus at mariokart.

>>102667135
Cynical middle-aged men in business suits are great at handling money.
Vshojo hired exclusively 20-something nepos and yes-men

>>102666981
The are public companies. All of their financial reports are public knowledge.
You can look at all of it under "investor relations" on their respective website

>>102676194
People still samefag in 2025?

>>102666935
Hololive is not a talent company. It's a tech company

Fishman can keep his company afloat with a few decent earners but Gunrun imploded with a company full of money printers

>>102677463
Crazy how america is the only human country. Even crazier that you admitted it

>>102670956
>A smart company wouldn't have let their most popular talent just up and leave.
They would if that person went full retard, and the graduates have.

>>102678290
>Smart control with pockets of investment
VS
>Venture capitalist dumping money into anything he thinks will cash out later

>>102670956
You say this, but Cover's making more revenue and gross profit nowadays than ever.

>>102682879
are venture capitalists gamblers or is that an american thing?

>>102683330
Venture capital is investing into random startings knowing 80% of them will fail but hoping the 1-2 that actually succeed will become the next amazon.
So yes gambling.

>>102677463
Imagine living in a country even more dystopian then the US, and the only reason you have for living is a YouTube streamer going wuwu thank you pay pig you make me wet long time

>>102669072
The bigger cuts thing is a funny way of saying not paying them.

>>102666807 (OP)
westoids not realising jp succeeds because they have a decades old operating model to borrow from (idol groups). not just how they internally operate but also external businesses integrate well with the ecosystem. thats why plenty of nobody jp indies can hold live events and collab cafes

>>102666935
holy fucking shit eighty fucking nine! How much is your average vtuber model at the high end of vtubing? because she doesn't get low effort shit.
Like 10k minimum right? IMAGINE how much of their 11million went entirely to her

>>102666935
But she has le inmunofuckingwhatever deficiency!!!! think of le mouserino!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>102667680
Holy shit, having fundamental knowledge on the subject is a general rule before you engage in a discussion, "people" like you should kill yourself seriously

>>102670956
Gura was a ghost the last few years, why do you continue to support someone that barely gave you any streams? Just because muh subcount?

>>102668833
Whatever pays your bills legally is your job. If you suck off truckers every night and it pays your bills, that's a job. Calling something "not a real job" or anything similar is boomer shit.

>>102685441
yeah 10k+
they spend at lest 1mln$ on her art
thats why she didnt care other talents werent paid, since she had priority, but when the well ran dry, she left as she knew milking is over

>>102678478
Dawg, you don't wanna pull that shit while having that dude on the most important chair of your, about to become a meme, nation.
It's not even funny or concerning, not even sad anymore, just pitiful.

>>102673953
Why didn't Gura just take over Cover?

>>102685528
>Woman uses pity
It's highly effective!

>>102670956
what, then? do you want yagoo to chain and lock gura in cover basement to stream for life?

>>102678236
wrong, it's a merchandising company
it probably wouldn't take long until they start selling their talents

>>102667680
anon, there are people in this thread right now who feed their families with shitty clickbait clips that get 30k views.

>>102684735
westoids chuubas are too retarded to realize that vtubers are idol-adjacent hence why they are saying low iq niggertry shit like " le idol culture bad"

>>102666807 (OP)
Because they are jobs? You are like 20 years out of date anon.