Thread 102696978

>2020
>Idol culture is evil
>2025
>The idol corpo is the only one that pays their vtubers
Feels good to be a hololive fan

>>102696978 (OP)
Buy an ad.

>>102696978 (OP)
Just a reminder that Zeta barely makes enough money to survive and multiple Holos are in massive debt that’s owed to Hololive.

>>102697284
>Indonesian is poor
Must be a day ending in Y

>>102697284
Good. It means no sudden lore drops or graduations, I'd say that's a good thing.

>>102696978 (OP)
Explain why they all need to do porn on the side

>>102697369
Frfr

>>102696978 (OP)
Maria bought a house in japan after moving to it and then bought a full new set of furniture while still paying for more of her idol projects.

>>102697403
Isn't she a low 3view even on a good day? I thought Scarle was the one with all the paypigs

>>102697369
You have no proof.

>>102697532
Seriously? Are you still doing this? Go do many reps. Now.

>>102697284
lets just ignore kaela casually blowing 800 dollars on a horse game

>>102696978 (OP)
Idol culture is still evil. Idol corpo doesn't follow it.

>>102697467
She varies depending on games and hours. But obviously it is enough to make your idol dreams come true.

>>102697467
Perhaps her household has multiple sources of income.

Idol haters are NTR lovers

>>102697691
She is mega rich in the first place

>>102697403
cute

>>102697403
nobody asked

>>102696978 (OP)
This retard and his company have 50 times more skeletons in their closets than vshojo, but i'm sure if said skeletons came to light the holodrones would still defend them with their lives while doing everything humanly possible to ruin the talents lives for going against le company (like you do to any talent that left regardless of context).
This is the big difference between other vtuber fanbases and holodrone subhumans.
This is also the reason 99% of the shitposting in this shithole is 100% made by holodrones that then proceed to deflect to other fanbases when called out.
Your oshi is a fucking company + some homo jap CEO, truly the normies of the vtuber space.

>>102698488
Why post this? Vshojo isn't going to pay you anymore

>>102698488
Blah blah you lost + no more payment

>>102697284
This is what happens if you homocollab. You get what you fucking deserve, whore.

>>102699089
>>102697403

>>102699107
(He) bought all those things. She didn't spend a penny lmao

>>102697284
>Zeta barely makes enough money to survive
It's no where near that bad of a survival situation if she's still willing to collab with male vtubers and burn potential unicorn income

>>102699139
>potential unicorn income
kek, unicorn income is always s potential. As real as actual unicorns. But in their dreams they are all rich as fuck.

>>102697369
>they all
Be more subtle in your attempt to push a narrative, unpaid shill

>>102696978 (OP)
I like Holo and YAGOO but let's not act like everything is peaches and sunshine there, at lot of the girls claim to be struggling and it's worth noting Cover didn't pay a bunch of artist properly/quickly at that one time.

Luckily Cover is run by a guy who has been in the game for awhile not a novice like Gunrun and Riku

>>102697369
>all

>>102699253
>Unicorn income isn't real
>Fuwamoco earn more than the entire ID branch combined

>>102699089
Zeta just recently mentioned that management is willing to put more money into her projects because her merch sales are good. Which, first of all, is interesting that such a system exists. But second - get fucked, unikek.

>>102699393
>Riku
Didn't they start this at about the same time?

>>102699430
It's not from normalfags, not the unicorns

>>102699583
*It's from normalfags

>>102697284
>>102698488
Guys, you're unemployed. No reason to lie for vshojo anymore.

>>102699550
Riku beat YAGOO by a few months or so yeah, he's still inexperienced though

>>102699695
I'd say he experienced enough

>>102696978 (OP)
Now if only they started paying artists.

>>102699924
Artists ?

>>102699924
but enough about vshojo :)

>>102699393
>at lot of the girls claim to be struggling
ID girls whining they don't get merch and concert as much as others? That's just how real world works, what they get is proportional with what they bring
>Cover didn't pay a bunch of artist properly/quickly at that one time.
They paid the artist properly as per their contract, they just got fucked by the new law that said you have to pay for revisions even tho it's not in the contract, they got more than enough money to waste on their passion project like HoloEarth, thinking like they need to steal penny from artist commission is wild

>>102699924
don't worry, doki paid from her pocket when niji didn't

>>102700044
Pay your artists, you sniveling Holoworm.

>>102700060
No one's said they need to steal it. They might just be more reluctant to pay artists than when using Hololive money to fund their own game dev hobby.

>>102699690
>>102698566
>>102698561
You do it for free, anyday, everyday.

>>102700735
They paid them as per their contract, did you just conveniently ignore that part?

Dont forget to Thank Yagoo guys, he made your little indie faggot avengers too.

>>102696978 (OP)
Hololive just keeps winning

>>102697284
>not every talent makes the same ammount of money
>to level the playing field hololive is letting the girls take a 0 interest loan to fund their personal projects
That's a bad thing.

>>102697369
At least they can do that without giving 5% of the earnings to hololive.

>>102698488
there's about a 60% chance this is gunrun

>>102697369
I wish, I would fap so hard to my oshi

>>102697369
They enjoy being slut?

>>102696978 (OP)
COUGHCOUGHPHASECONNECTCOUGHCOUGH

>2025
>Two people in Holo had boyfriends and marriages but the cucks will still call "idol" culture.

>>102697284
The fact that Zeta makes enough money to survive in Tokyo means she'd have been able to live very comfortably if she stayed in ID where most of her audience is. If anything, that shows how much Holo members make.
>massive debt that’s owed to Hololive.
You meant massive tax write off that wouldn't be there otherwise

>>102704430
>and if she moved to India she'd be filthy rich
Wtf is this logic? How does it show how much Holo members make?
Doubt most of her audience is in ID anyway, she doesn't even speak ID on streams.

>>102699651
>Normalfags spend a lot of money on hobby
DYRBI

>>102704640
Blind chama

>>102704668
They don't spend a lot but there are a lot of them. And together they contribute far more than a couple schizos dropping their life savings.

>>102704720
Concession accepted

>>102704640
Holy retard, do you even pass highschool? Genuinely ask or maybe you're underage? Then you should fuck off

>>102696978 (OP)
>"idol"
also, this is the samefag that has been posting in every subreddit to promote hololive

>>102705272
Yes I did, ESL-chama. What what were you trying to say?

>>102697210
this is a hololive board

>>102705608
Thought you all left for better Towas

>>102705506
That was rhetorical question you imbecile, go back to school if you don't understand cost of living

>>102697369
>need

>>102705844
I do. You are the one who seems to be confused.
>Working for a JP company pays barely enough to live in Japan
>B-but if she lived in a shithole she'd be fine
Yeah, no shit. And in Somalia she'd live like royalty. Because of a different cost of living. In no way does this "show how much Holo members make". You are just a retarded seanigger.

>>102705905
shiori definitely does

>>102706089
>Working for a JP company pays barely enough to live in Japan
They are working on entertainment industry where you get pay based on your performance, you said Zeta barely makes enough money to survive, why is that? That's because she decided to move to Tokyo if she stays in Indonesia she would be considered rich despite being a runt in Hololive

>>102696978 (OP)
Fun fact the whole purity thing in the idol industry is the result of a boy band member in Korea getting stabbed by a crazed fan girl.

>>102706329
If the pay in a first world company is barely enough to live in a first world country you can't possibly claim it is high. No matter the industry.
You are just a retarded seanigger.

>>102696978 (OP)
50%
2%
0%

Holo number 1

>>102706675
Holy shit you're retarded, it doesn't matter whether the company is from first world or third world country, you don't even understand how the industry works, do you think they got paid the same way like salaryman or burger flipper?

>>102707312
It does matter for the discussion of how much they make. And you would understand that if you were not a retarded seanigger.

>>102707782
are you suggesting to take all merch money from all girl and just share equally between everyone?

>>102707782
do you also think wnba should get the same pay as nba?

>>102706476
Japanese idols existed way, way, way before anything korea has ever done.
Kpop and korean boybands/idol groups are literally imitations of Japanese culture.
Japan simply values purity in women. Not for all things, of course, but they do for their mainstream entertainment industries.
The same is true for Korea.

>>102707982
>>102708022
No, I'm not suggesting any changes at all. They get paid what they get paid. But saying they get paid a lotl because that would be a lot in Mozambique is fucking retarded.

>>102705608
So? Buy an ad.

>>102707782
They got paid from merch, sponsor, streaming platform revenue minus company cuts, if they got 50% how is it even matter if the company is from Japan or Zimbabwe so long the percentage is the same, just drink bleach already

>>102697284
Zeta basically took out massive loans to make her music videos and ect.

>>102697369
you’re not getting paid anymore bro

>>102697403
Maria's treasure box video went so viral that she can afford fuck you money. She's still coasting on that video money till this day.

>>102708505
See >>102708244 and at least try to understand it. I know English is difficult for a retarded seanigger but idk, not much else I can do.

>>102708674
>it doesn't matter whether the company is from first world or third world country
>It does matter for the discussion of how much they make.
Go ahead and explain how it does matter, dumb shill

>>102708842
It gives context and scale. If the company pays less than a fast food worker gets in the same country (an example) you can not claim it is a lot even if it's a fortune in Niger. Doesn't matter whether it's fixed salary, percentage of sales, whatever.
If it's a pagpag shithole like yours with both the company and the employee there then the scale of reference is different because fast food workers also get paid less.

>>102697467
I don't think streams are the only source of income for corpos.

>>102705779
You thought

If holotards really believed their company had no dirty secrets clamped down hard by NDAs, they wouldn't go around preemptively flinging shit at everyone else. Deep down though, they know their company is probably the same, just legally muffled. This is why holodrones pile on former holos so incessantly - they're fucking afraid those girls will spill the beans.

>>102696978 (OP)
Ah yes let's just pretend that 7 talents didn't graduate in the same year due to "disagreements with management".

>>102702519
Why do they have to take a loan from the company when the company is already bagging 30% of their income + merch and sponsor revenue?

>>102712865
Well at the point just make everything for free, right? That's not sustainable.

>>102713004
Or cover could simply give them a base budget for projects instead and tell them to pay the rest out of the pocket if they want to make something that would cost more?

I don't see what they even do for the talents to warrant pocketing that much of their income. The managers are notoriously worthless and slow to act.

>>102712680
1. A-chan isn't a talent
2. One graduated due to health issues that couldn't be accommodated due to the nature of the job
3. L o r e d r o p

>>102712680
>Yagoo-dono can I announce I'm getting married
>WHATO ZA FUCKU
>ok I'm out because of this disagreement with management

>>102713154
I don't know their inner workings, but I read some anon here say that they have multiple avenues to fund their own projects.
One is self-funded, the other is them asking Cover for funds, but they would work with a limited budget and it can take longer to be approved. 3rd is the loan system.
I agree with you that they can be slow and worthless, but they actually do a lot of events, way more than any other company. Things can be better, for sure, but I wouldn't call them not doing anything and just pocketing the money.

>>102713294
>>102713296
You're out of your mind if you think that Fauna is the only married woman associated with hololive

>>102713485
She's the only one who announced it.

>>102699924
Artists need to actually produce something on time and not overload themselves for immediate money. This is why AI is booming

>>102713485
So it's ok when non-Holos do it?

>>102713374
If you compare them to any non-vtuber idol company, they do a lot less despite having significantly more passive income due to the base job being streaming.

I'll give you that nijisanji is objectively more shit tha holo, but the bar is on the floor with vtuber companies. I don't believe hololive deserves any praise for how they run their business when this many of their talents are unsatisfied and leaving.

>>102713721
I'm sorry, but what more do you want them to do?
More 3D concerts, more songs, more events?
You realize that more comes at the expense of the talents that would have to put in more work.

>>102713833
My point is more that they are taking a lot of money for doing basically the bare minimum and getting praised as the best for it.

>>102698488
>50 times more skeletons in their closets than vshojo
feel free to post them

>>102700221
>n-no u
concession accepted, vkek :)

>>102713154
maybe the loans make for a better incentive structure. maybe it is a worse incentive but less stressful for the talent and more productive in the long run. maybe because of some problem they had in the past. maybe cover loses money with the no interest loans but sees it as part of the business. maybe japanese law is autistic about who can give loans with interest rates

>>102697284
>Zeta barely makes enough money to survive
She's an Indonesian with an Indonesian audience sending her Indonesian money while she lives in fucking Tokyo and probably eats out every night. The fact she can survive at all is only because of Hololive subsidising her.

>>102714657
>with an Indonesian audience
She barely ever speaks Indonesian

>>102715230
She's also doing not that bad in supas, members, etc tbdesu, more then some JPs. Merch as well, by her own admission.
She's either overspending on projects and/or herself or exaggerating her financial troubles.

>>102709612
I never claim they got paid a lot or not, they got paid based on their performance, the other post only brings ID in the context because she is from Indonesia you moron, and if you want to talk about how much they get paid then you should've used the average of their income from their fiscal report but ofc it won't suit your narrative so you use ID talent for your talking point, you really think people will far for something that obvious don't you? Retarded pajeet shill

>>102697967
Kaela wasnt mega rich, Reine is

>>102716035
>You need to use the average of the ceo and the janitors to talk about how much they get paid
Your pagpag will get cold while you're having melties here, retarded seanigger. Just admit economics (and logic) is not for you and fuck off to your mudhut.

>>102696978 (OP)
>Idol culture
>Letting their whores date
Lol no

>>102716488
Talents income and regular employee like staff, manager etc are on different section and that's literally how it works if we are talking about how much the talents get paid, I can also cherrypick one of top talents then said look how much money they made, you're the one don't understand economy and logic stop projecting shill and keep crying throwing random buzzwords because that's all you can do, lmao

I love idols and I love idol culture. Anyone who disagrees is simply wrong.

>>102699924
Pretty much every company gets hit with this

>>102696978 (OP)
Nobody said that

>>102697284
Kaela doesn't have this issue.

>>102724930
Because Kaela still lives in Indonesia, Zeta moved in Japan where the cost of living is much higher.

>>102713721
>If you compare them to any non-vtuber idol company, they do a lot less
Can you give examples? Even in big idol groups, only the most popular ones gets more job like commercials etc or solo songs, tbf it's not because the agency isn't fair but the sponsors etc only demanded the popular ones, that's pretty much just the reality of entertainment businesses in general, Hololive actually give the talent more opportunity especially for the less popular ones compared to other company/agency in general when you think about it.