Fiddle me this:
if hololive is now such a good company why are so many leaving it?
Sure Fauna wanted to get married which probably was against the contract but what about the rest of them?

>>102707091 (OP)
>but what about the rest of them?
Probably the same reason.

there are married women in hololive tho
nimi's case was woman moment

>>102707091 (OP)
Do every employee leaving means something profound, anon? Principally women that don't like to be "tied down". Even marriages they end without reason, imagine a job

>>102707091 (OP)
Aqua
>Wants to chill in retirement mode and does things at her own pace. Underestimated how much works indies actually have to do
Chloe
>Wants to be in the same idol unit as her sister and believe that her throat issue would've prevented her from double dipping
Moom
>Throat issue + starting RL job
Ame
>Wants to be able to stream without having to ask permissions every single time. Wants to carry out personal projects without navigating and negotiating through corpo bureaucracy
According to what they've said / done right before or after graduation. Not including Gura because she hasn't given any explicit cause yet but it was likely a mixture of Aqua and Ame's plus the pressure from expectations and restrictions.
All in all, nothing malicious

>>102707091 (OP)
According to this board vshojo manipulated everyone into leaving their companies.
Realistically? People probably felt tired navigating corporate life and after dooby left and did alright it probably gave them confidence to leave, most people leaving are probably planning it months if not a year in advance too.

>>102707091 (OP)
There is no contract in the world that can stop you from getting married.

>>102707091 (OP)
Anon. You're retarded if you think her getting married had anything to do with her leaving the company.

Most talents are already married, there's quite a few with kids, too.

>>102707532
There's no contract in the world that can stop a company from firing you for a made up reason (the real reason being the marriage).

>>102707091 (OP)
I can only speak for HoloEN but here you go:
Ame - brain worms
Fauna - Vshojo poaching
Mumei - Cover legitimately failed her, she had her throat issues and she has other interests to pursue
Gura - Vshojo poaching

It was probably revenue split or workload. If you haven't noticed they've been very aggressive this year with voice packs and merch. She probably wanted to work at her pace and knew enough cucks would follow her.
And it was true. She made a shit ton of money and is doing fine without any of the overhead or revenue splits.

>>102707628
>Gura - had kids and wants to spend more time with them so a job with lots of red tape was too much.
FTFY

>>102707441
Pretty much this yeah.

>>102707091 (OP)
in the case of Hololive is pretty clear, a lot of the first generation JPs and most of the EN members joined to be "Streamers" that means being most of the time at home playing games, talking and doing some karaoke maybe (remember that at the beggining various members said they didn't even sing), but Hololive took a turn a few years ago full into the Idol stuff, that means A LOT of dancing and singing lessons (just look at how members usually talk about how tiring the lessons are). So the members leaving are mostly because they want to be streamers and not full on Idols.
about the Marriage thing, Hololive said publicly on the twitter statements that they don't care about the private life of their talents, the thing is "the person can be married, but not the character", and as you can guess, some women just can't shup up about their lives. Nimi WANTED to tell everyone she was getting married, Hololive wouldn't allow Fauna to get fucked by some man.
I don't remember what indie english Vtuber said it, but it's very true: Female Vtubers are the easiest job in the world, all you have to do is not even being single, just don't have a secret boyfriend, and yet, a lot of famous Vtubers fail to even do that

>>102707091 (OP)
>Able to stream whatever they want without manager interference
>Don't have to hand over a portion of earnings to corporate overlord
>Have more control over their image e.g. told to act in a certain way to maintain "character"
>Don't have to fly back and forth to Japan several times a year
>No longer have to work on a hundred background projects (homework), many of which never see the light of day
>Have to schedule around every other talent in the company e.g. can't do a thing on this date, x has a birthday, can't do it on that date, y has a live, block out the next two weeks for a company event
Hololive 4 years ago is drastically different to the hololive of today, either you're fully committed to the program or you have a problem.
Hololive is still a good company for those that want what they offer but not everyone will want to ride that train forever, think of it like getting a few years experience in a high-intensity corporate environment and then quitting to do much the same job but as a relaxed independent contractor than an overworked wage.

>>102707713
It doesn't help that they can only do the recordings in Japan so they have to keep flying out there. Not just once or twice a year... it's constant. New years, summer specials, anniversary, birthday, christmas and whatever. It's why lots of the current talent moved to japan to live there for good. I'm sure the talents that did leave just didn't want to keep flying every other month. Not to mention you'd get double taxed for living in the US and working in Japan.

>>102707091 (OP)
>Sure Fauna wanted to get married which probably was against the contract but what about the rest of them?
If Rushia could get married during her time in the company, and Azki is married before she was even in the company that means Fauna was the problem child.

>>102708207
>Not to mention you'd get double taxed for living in the US and working in Japan
Japan and the US have a tax treaty precisely to avoid double taxation, it's just that Mori is retarded and paid double taxes her first year in hololive.

>>102708207
yup, but it is just that, Hololive is trying to go full into Idol, singer, Ads company, and the girls want mostly to just be streamers so they leave. nothing crazy like Vshojo or NijiEN.
The main problem is that most women will try to audition for Hololive just because of the name and recognition, despite knowing perfectly its an idol/singer company, just to rack up a big fanbase and then leave

>>102707532
Why? Doesn't capitalists pigs say that a company can hire or fire you for any reason they want because they're a private property and do whatever they want with it?

>>102707603
Hololive has no reason at all to care if they are married or not. Even real idol companies only care if fans find out and vtubers have a much easier time separating their private lifes.

>>102709016
That is a USA thing. In Japan or Europe you need a reason you can defend in court to fire someone.

>>102709016
Only in burgerland, which is part of why actually civilised places consider it a shithole.

>>102707091 (OP)
what does Melody have to do with your question

>>102707091 (OP)
Hololive had no issue with Rushia literally getting married and Discord leaks of her husband appearing on stream they even said explicitly Private life is up to the individual. It's not in the contract.
As for whether Fauna graduated just to get married, it might have played a role, like requiring you to take long trips to Japan multiple times per year might put some stress for family life, but I don't believe it was the only reason. The only way I could see it being the only reason is if her partner threw a hissy fit about her travels or something.

>>102707091 (OP)
It's a good company if you live and work in Japan.
It's a good company if you can speak JP fluently and you can deal with japanese business etiquette/autism.

It's a soul crushing company if you live outside japan and you want to do funny silly shit.
It's a soul crushing company if you want to play games on a whim without having to triple check permissions every time.

>>102707091 (OP)
Some of the JPs are married so the Fauna thing is moot.

>>102710024
>moot
who?

>>102708680
They can try to filter them out in audition, that's also probably why JP switched to debuting REGLOSS which is even more evidently focused on music. Still some will be leaving naturally and it's whatever, they'll debut more people and idol focus actually differentiates them from indies, not only people looking for it can just watch holo, people who want to do it will have much easier time in holo, so added value for audience and talents. Just please stop wasting so much money on metaverse Yagoo, you are not as rich as Zack.

>>102707091 (OP)
Aqua
>wants to retire at her peak and chill and go at her own pace. ends up being just as busy because the retard can't say no to sponsorship
A-chan
>had family issue to take care of and couldn't return to full-time. now just want to chill and be support chuuba
Ame
>brain worms, tummy hort, family issues, etc. said she needed to take care of something but is open to returning in the future if she resolved whatever is her personal issue
Chloe
>wants to move-in with her sister/bff and stream/sing together as a unit. also slow her pace because of throat issue
Shion
>misses the start-up phase feel of hololive. felt that was the peak for her and wanted to go back to that feel. didn't want streaming to become a job and keep it her hobby/passion that she does at night after doing whatever else she wanted to do
Moom
>throat hort. need to finish her phd. that usually means full-time job doing TA or whatever they make grad students do these days plus her own research for the phd thesis
Gura
>similar to aqua in many ways, want to chill for a bit and go at her own pace. also seem to be dealing with some health issue she doesn't want to elaborate publicly. i suspect she never truly recovered from the coof.

>>102707091 (OP)
you retards really need to stop peddling this false notion that somehow a company can make you sign a contract that forbids you to have relationships lmao
That would be a fucking breach of human rights and an actual crime in so many countries.
At worst the only thing they actually enforce is to have their talents keep their relationship status confidential and Fauna's a retard who had to tell the whole world for some reason.

>>102707713
Fauna even alluded to this in one of her streams before leaving, something along the line of wishing Hololive would allow some of their talents focus more on the streaming aspect of the job. Clearly she didn't like the shift to more idol like activities, and I'm assuming the change in workload was part of the reason the others left as well.

>>102707091 (OP)
Lazy whores

>>102707091 (OP)
They're lazy and stupid

>>102707091 (OP)
We can never be sure about the real reason why any of them quit, especially because many of the ex-holos' actions do not match their official reasons for leaving.
However, there are some patterns.
Considering the varied and unique circumstances of their departures, as well as the detail required for analyzing their individual situations, both during and after hololive, this is going to be a very long post.

>>102707091 (OP)
>>102713825
A-chan
Stated reason:
To take care of a sick relative.
Correlation:
Considering the personal nature of this reason, no further information exists to support it.
Discrepancies:
When she redebuted, she further explained her reasons for leaving were two-fold: she wanted to be like the other talent, as well as a shift in the culture within managent that emphasized business over creativity, as evidenced by the idol design sketches being replaced with graphs and charts on the office whiteboards in her debut MV cover.

Aqua
Stated reason:
Disagreement over the direction of hololive.
Correlation:
Multiple graduating talents have claimed this, but many remaining talents have refuted it. It’s possible that the alleged changes only affect certain individuals, either because of their unique personal situations which they cannot mention, or because their activities differed from that of the other talents. Aqua, as a more senior talent may be referring to the change in culture in the company since they went public.
Discrepancies:
Considering that nothing has changed in an entire year from the fans' perspective, this statement is either false or it must be referring to changes in internal policy or management direction. That could be anything from changes to the way they pay their talent to changes in the bureaucratic processes required to do anything.
It's worth noting that the couple years before Aqua's final rush, she hardly ever streamed and she continues to hardly ever stream as Sakuna.

Ame
Stated reason:
Management were becoming too restrictive and she wanted to try something new
Correlation:
Ame reduced the number of appearances of her personal 3D project models like Bee Ame, Smol Ame, Buffson, etc. This is probably related to other talents talking about how they cannot change their appearance too much, such as their hair color for new outfits, with management's reasoning being that it would dilute their brand image. It would not be surprising if management was turning down too many of her ideas and projects. She continues to make alternative models and experimental streams as Dooby.
Discrepancies:
Ame slowed down her streaming output in late 2023, and did several projects between then and when she graduated. She created her Dooby discord channel in October 2023, which means she knew she was leaving at that point. It should follow that her impetus for leaving happened in late Summer-Fall of 2023. Her low streaming output has not changed much.

Chloe
Stated reason:
Throat medical issues and disagreement with management
Correlation:
She told a story about how she once felt pressured to record at the studio even while she was sick with Covid. There is no information regarding what her stated disagreement entailed.
Her streaming activity remains the same as when she was in hololive.
Discrepancies:
Towards the end of her time in hololive, she began to avoid all collabs and large group events.
After her departure, she quickly redebuted, forming a vtuber group with her best friend. Her throat condition was completely healed.

(Part 1/2)

>>102707091 (OP)
>what about the rest of them?
>Where's 3 and 4?

>>102707091 (OP)
>>102713869
Fauna
Stated reason:
Disagreement with management
Correlation:
There is no information regarding what her stated disagreement entailed.
Her streaming activity has remained consistent and she has attempted to continue her idol activities, even outside hololive.
Discrepancies:
Fauna and Gura were the only members of hololive EN to not attend either Breaking Dimensions or 6th holofes in person. In the past Fauna talked about how much she doesn't enjoy traveling.
Fauna's announcement of her marriage is almost certainly related to the real reason why she departed, and her emphasized desire to have children would have made traveling to Japan even more difficult.
However, the soured relationships between her and her genmates points to some other possible issue, especially with Kronii suddenly cutting off all contact with her in late Summer-Fall 2023 after being extremely close. It may be coincidence, but Kronii also cut off all contact with the two fired holostars at the same time. Whether that is related to her graduation or not is uncertain, but it's clear that Fauna was facing other problems in hololive besides management.

Shion
Stated reason:
Disagreement with management and she felt that being a vtuber was not a real job.
Correlation:
She claimed that hololive had changed its direction similar to what Aqua and A-chan had said.
Discrepancies:
Shion's streaming hours were some of the lowest in the company for nearly three years, long before anyone complained about a change in direction in 2024.
A few months after her departure, she reincarnated as an independent vtuber as her full time job, discrediting what she said was a large part of the reason for why she graduated.
If her problem really was management, then her streaming output should increase, but it's too early to tell if it will or not.

Mumei:
Stated reason: Throat/coughing health issues and disagreement with management
Correlation:
Mumei developed a very persistent and chronic cough roughly one year before she graduated. She said this made it extremely difficult and frustrating to stream and sing. After she graduated, she indicated that she will not be returning to vtubing, which is consistent with her chronic condition.
Discrepancies:
During her last member's stream, she said that she was frustrated that people thought her condition was much worse than it was. She blamed herself for not being clear enough. She said that there were two reasons for her leaving, her medical problems and one that she cannot discuss.
For years, Mumei had referred to her time in university as "civilization duties". Mumei announced her graduation within a month of her completing her four year degree in marine sciences. Whales have always been her passion as shachi, and she had likely planned to quit hololive when she graduated from university. Otherwise, why would she have pursued her degree while in hololive, considering how grueling, difficult, and time consuming she said her "civilization duties" were while simultaneously juggling her lucrative idol career? It is clear that Mumei has switched professions like she had always planned to for these past four years. If she is telling the truth about her disagrements with management, then they likely had to do with disagreements over her continuing to be in hololive while also having a second career and being beholden to the schedule of a second boss.

(Part 2/2)*
*actually part 2/3, Gura's was too long.

>>102707091 (OP)
>>102713869
Gura:
Stated reason: Disagreement with management and overwhelming pressure due to fan and company expectations
Correlation:
Many of Gura's projects had been canceled over the years as well as all her 3D lives being around 2/3 the length of all other members. It's clear that she struggled with outputting personal projects, though it's unclear whether the fault lies completely on management, herself, bad luck with third parties, or all of the above.
She talked about how she was sometimes worried that management was watching her streams and might scold her for various things or call her a "brand risk".
She had been alluding to graduating since around Summer 2024. In December, she said that her two year project, which later turned out to be Ash Again, and her fans were the only things that kept her going. Ash Again itself is a comprehensive representation of all her frustrations that she experienced over the last two years.
She only recently reincarnated in the last month, but so far her streaming activity is much higher than it was as Gura.
Discrepancies:
On August 17, 2023, she said she was the happiest she had been in years. She detailed what her streaming plans were for that weekend, and was in a really good mood. The following day she canceled those plans and then ghosted her fans for 5 months until January 2024, with the exception of a mandatory outfit and anniversary streams in September and the Sendai aquarium sponsorship stream. Other than those streams, she did not talk to her fans directly a single time.in those 5 months.
Her streaming hours were the lowest in the company for 1.5 years since August 2023. It's possible that this supports her stated reason for graduating, but considering her abandonment of her fans for multiple months long periods without a single word, it seems more likely that her issues involved other factors such as problems in her personal life, the biggest indication being that she never really tried to communicate what was happening with her fans, and instead elected to avoid them for months at a time.
As Gura, she mentioned in 2024 how reaching 5 million subscribers was her goal, and this together with her acceptance of hololive's largest 2024 sponsorships including Sushiro and the L.A. Dodgers, at least partially contradicts her claim of wanting less pressure from fans and the company.
Considering that both her and Fauna disliked traveling, and that they were the only two EN members who didn't go to Breaking Dimensions or hololive 6th fes in person, it's possible that Gura may have quit for similar reasons to start a familu, however, as of now that is purely speculation.

(Part 3/3)

>>102707441
What about Shion?

>>102707091 (OP)
>marriage is against the contract
bro most holos are either married or have a bf lol

>>102707562
Most of those are in Japan, and they don't have to take long hour trips to go do concerts.

>>102714005
Amazing summary. Posts like this are what makes this board worth coming back to.

>>102714132
Thanks, but they are by no means definitive, and I welcome discussion of what I may have missed, or evn if someone thinks I may have gotten something wrong, especially from fans of the individual members.

holo jp talent is a mix of some have been around for a long time. aqua and shion were there for 6 almost 7 years (thats a long time in idol years). the other ones are mostly all health reasons.

for holo en i think hololive made a few mistakes when they started out with their english branch.
some of the mistakes can be explained just by the company growing big very fast.
i think the english talents joining now have a better understanding what working under hololive will be that advantages and also disadvantages something hat maybe wasn't clear for myth and council.

>>102714015
Shion's situation was always weird. They let her fuck off for most the year at a time, she was popular, but not popular enough to be the face of anything, made some really weird statements about personal stuff relating to vtubing, waited a long ass time to redebut and seems to be hanging out with holomems still like nothing changed with how much she gets mentioned by other holomem.

Overall, my conclusion is that "disagreement with management" is likely a corporate-suggested, catch-all phrase, used in lieu of the actual reason for them quitting, which is vague enough such that it allows both the company and talent to say they weren't lying, even if the real reason is entirely personal in the case of Fauna, or only technically true in the likely case of Mumei.

For example, it's possible that what Mumei would have wanted in order to stay in hololive was a complete abdication of all her behind the scenes responsibilities and the removal of all obligations to appear in events so that she could focus entirely on her other job and come back once in a while to stream and then leave again. Such a request would be unreasonable and she would likely not ask for it, but if she did so and was rejected ceremoniously, both sides can officially claim she left over some disagreement rather than have to explain to her fans that she was leaving them to follow her marine sciences career, something she always used coded language to talk about as Mumei.
It's a phrase designed to remove any potential culpability, whether just or otherwise, from both the company and the the talent themselves.

>>102709698
you think why fauna drop asmr even though she love doing it and even bought an expensive mic to do it? the dude is a fking controlling freak, kronii saw it and warn fauna but fauna did not listen that why kronii completely avoid fauna ever since.

>>102707441
another thing about ame is that, according to cc, they have to be very careful about any project that involves different tech because management is stringent about self-doxxing. notice the first thing dooby did as an indie was to doxx herself (I think I can say this, she was explicit about it) and she has been trying new things as an indie, from the makeshift motion tracking studio to the roblox rooms or the new tts thingy

>>102714015
I thought she was anti-indie because she got fucked over or something like that

>>102707091 (OP)
Anon, let me break the news to you: VShojo is shutting down. I'm sorry but you are now unemployed.

>>102707091 (OP)
Bro you're like 2 months late to this

>>102709698
Kronii complete hate for fauna was actually due to fauna leading her on until the home visit. Once it came down to do the deed fauna went what if we have a threesome instead and brought out her boyfriend.
Why else would everyone have a mellow response to her graduation, the girls finally decided to ask kronii what exactly happened between the 2 and completely understood the hatred kronii had.

>>102716752
Is it rrat time? Okay.
Why did Fauna never collab with holostars?
Because she was best friends with Vesper and Magni, as evidenced by Magni making her debut lore animation and Vesper selling her merch on his store the moment she debuted as Nimi, and she didn't want anyone knowing.
Multiple talents have said that Cover's only rule about relationships is that ones between talent and staff and ones between hololive and holostars are not allowed.
Fauna was probably dating one of them, the company found out, and that's why both the homos were immediately fired. It's why Kronii felt betrayed, why Mori stopped promoting holostars, and why holoEN/stars collabs completely and suddenly stopped for 2 years until ERB and Shiori.

Cover couldn't fire Fauna together with the homos or else everyone would understand their firings were related and Cover's reputation would be ruined. Such revelations would destroy the holoEN and holostars branches, especially because there were already so many fans against the existence, let alone inclusion, of the EN holostars.
So instead of firing her, Cover gave Fauna increasing workloads and demands so that she would eventually quit on her own after around a year when everything had finally settled down. Look up madogiwazoku and oidashibeya.

Ame liked holostars and surely thought their firings were unjust. She reduced her streaming to almost nothing about a month after and eventually she decided that 2024 would be her last year in hololive. She created her Dooby discord in October 2023, only a few months after the homos were fired.

Gura and Mumei, being Fauna's friend, and especially because Gura was so close with Ame, both quit in solidarity. Kiara even said that they decided to graduate together.
Now it's been two years and Fauna's engaged to the homo she was dating while in hololive.
This is why no one was sad when Fauna left. They see her as a traitor that ruined the branch, convinced Gura and Mumei to leave, and ruined everything they built together.

This is also further evidenced by Kronii suddenly cutting off all contact with everyone involved. Her RM even blocks anyone that says they wish she would collab with Randon or Lando, even if they aren't replying to her or tagging her in any way.
Kronii and Fauna were very close until holostars termination
>>102664984
And
Shiori's hololive talent and staff confession stream
>>102571720

Fauna is marrying Magni or Vesper

>>102709121
>Hololive has no reason at all to care if they are married or not.
They have money as the reason. You're retarded. You know they hide this shit because of money. They want unicorn money.

>>102715378
She didn't doxx herself directly. She just said she had an emmy for a specific show and then said that yeah, people will probably find out who she is, and she doesn't care as long as you don't post it in her chat and stuff. She probably was aware that a bunch of people knew her full name already. People knew shortly after she debuted because she used her real name to do VA work for a fallout mod.
Hololive is very strict about that stuff though and that's why she had to wait until she graduated to tell people about her emmy.

>>102707562
They dont talk about it tho, Nimi clearly wants to and thats a big no no for Holo

>>102721492
>People knew shortly after she debuted because she used her real name to do VA work for a fallout mod
That and Gura calling her by her real name on their first collab, kek

>>102707091 (OP)
>if hololive is now such a good company why are so many leaving it?

I'm sure people eventually get tried of having to go to Japan just to record some singing and dancing for new years, summer, anniversary, birthday, christmas and ect.

It's hard work and you can't do that forever. People get old. I'm sure Ame, Mumei and Gura just want to stream without having to fly to japan ever other month.