I am so sorry in advance

>>103045796 (OP)
not happening

>>103045796 (OP)
Phase invaders soon

neversemi leavinglock!

>>103045796 (OP)
The last good niji left

What were the NijiEN golden days like?

>>103046092
basically just a group of girls who'd randomly pop in on each other's streams. It had an interesting concept but looking back it really was going nowhere since there were only really half the girls actually did anything worth watching. (Selen, Finana, and Elira. Pomu had a large hiatus and wasn't a huge part of those few months.)

>>103046092
basically just a group of girls who'd randomly pop in on each other's streams. It had an interesting concept but looking back it really was going nowhere since only really half the girls actually did anything worth watching. (Selen, Finana, and Elira. Pomu had a large hiatus and wasn't a huge part of those few months.)

>>103046092
kinda boring desu but still more fun to watch than myth-council

>>103045796 (OP)
You're 3 years too late in saying sorry, Luca

>>103046092
kino

>>103046092
zero synergy

Always loved her voice and model design. But I remember about a year ago she got a new outfit that not only didn't suit her, it was fucking ugly as sin. She still using it?

>>103046092
>golden days
>selen backstabbed elira
It's much better now

>>103046092
If you understood woman-speak you'd realize most of the time "talents" are constantly fucking with and insulting each other. There was never a golden age, it's a japanese slave corporation that is primarily staffed by women, nothing worse could ever exist.

>>103046092
I'll back >>103046505 and >>103046884 and give one recommendation to watch if you actually are being honest about learning about it and can put yourself back at that time period and overlook anything we know now. And then compare it to Myth and Council similar collabs of the time period.
youtube.com/watch?v=pSAeY1mAvOE
The branch's success didn't come out of nowhere, there was a reason why they snatched the #2 spot very definitely vs other corpos, even the ones that started earlier.

>>103047067
Can you guys stop pretending you know everything about jap corpos. You don't know shit, so stop pretending you know shit from the shit you read online. We all know niji ain't nice. But you ain't smart, and never will be.

>>103047033
so true xister

>>103047033
actually, according to both lore and reality, Elira backstabbed Selen. There was a whole thing on the wiki

>>103046092
They all seemed to genuinely enjoy each other's company, and the pranks and ball-busting felt like they were in good fun. The future seemed very bright.

>>103046092
they were humble back then, for one, because their CCV was way way below Holo's. in being 3 girls at first they constantly would pop into each others' streams to chat on the side and people liked that because it looked more unified than holo was essentially. like they did it a LOT.

also because they were new, luxiem didn't exist, even ethyria didn't exist, they didn't really have any big yabs yet and males weren't a thing yet. this was the only time in history they felt sort of competitive with holo, people say, but in reality their numbers weren't Holo-like. better than small corpos of the time sure but they weren't equals. however once luxiem and the throngs of chinese fujos boosted their guys to Holo-like numbers for a few months, they all got extremely bold and cocky and the audience-shitting behaviors went into full swing.

>>103052604
sounds like an indie friendgroup but mandated by corpo

>>103053029
That's exactly what it was, actually.
The gimmick was great and encouraged watching as many streams as possible because you don't know when your favorite would pop into call.

>>103052604
I'm tired of seeing fujoshis blamed for their downfall. They are, by and large, extremely annoying people that I do not want to be around (no different than male unicorns), but I truly don't begrudge them for enjoying their slutty males.
Niji's downfall was caused by owners and management that had no idea what the fuck they were doing or desire to learn. IIRC Luxiem's manager was on the verge of getting fired before Luxiem took off. Instead of going "phew, that was a close one, let's tend to the rest io the ship now," they decided to just move all of their resources to the end that was, for the moment, sticking out of the water. Fuck the original fans, fuck what the other talents want, fuck having any kind of diversity in the audience, just crank the pretty boy merch drops and everything will be gravy.
The happiest day of my life will be when Riku finally pisses the wrong people off and is found on his yacht minus his intestines.

>>103045796 (OP)
Probably not. We can tell right away who is going by their PL accounts. And hers is still locked.

>>103046092
So good. Felt like Hololive, but all the girls were more down-to-earth and not as stiff.
The majority of them were good talents too. Barring Petra, they all had skill in their aspect of moe that their lore played into.
There was also this aspect of hope for the future, because Pomu and Selen were S tier talents from the getgo.
And most of the group was positive, especially with Lazulight. Whereas their contemporary Council had some pretty sleepy talents in terms of Kronii and Sana and Mumei, the majority of Lazusydia was sugar sweet and positive. A pretty warm atmosphere
Lots of inside jokes and memes reinforced the sense of community, genuinely funny stuff like No Furniture and I'm Pomu would come out on a daily basis. It was just a good time to be around.

Ethyria killed it before Luxiem did. The girls were a lot more yabby and cliquey, there was way less talent. Even the girls that had genuine moe archetypes like Enna and Nina couldn't properly utilize that effectively due to a skill issue. I still don't think they were terrible at their job, but they weren't the same level of quality. Once the malespam started, the entire branch went to shit.

The weirdest thing is though, that even today, most all of Lazusydia remain unchanged in terms of streaming style. You can still watch Dokibird or Rosemi or Mint's solo streams and get the same experience as during the Lazusydia era, only without the branch unity. Finana and Elira are the same, but ocasionally will divert talk about their male coworkers and branch in jokes and stuff. Ethyria is way worst about this though, they let it dictate a lot of their content.

In conclusion, I think the thin that defined Lazusydia was the high level quality of the girls, as well as the diversity of their moes not stepping on each other's toes. They were great about utilizing their niches their characters put them in.

>>103053516
I mostly agree with this. The hard pivot into spamming males and not letting the girls have an independent waves really set a lot of original fans off.
They really should have kept the branches separate. Kept the males on their side and the females on theirs.
It didn't help that every wave following Luxiem didn't have a good theme.
The exception being Iluna, but jesus that was a mixed bag of talents. Maria and Ren in the same wave as Kyo and Aster?
Character designs were sporadic too. I don't care how much the women love Noctyx, they had a shit character designer and a shit modeler. Luxiem mogged them so hard.

>>103046092
Keep in mind this was before/during the small corpo Cambrian explosion as well and in the immediate aftermath of the unexpected popularity of HoloEN. NijiEN came out the gate with what felt like a lot of upfront production value and investment - each wave debuted with an original song, great designs, intro videos, very snappy 30-minute debut marathons raiding into each wave (saving the long intro zatsu for a later stream), an organized commentary watchalong on the official channel by previous talents - all of this stuff is standard small corpo fare nowadays and practically expected, but NijiEN was first on most of these and it felt like there was a clearer focus initially (especially as HoloEN was still doing very staid and traditional 1-hour debuts without much in the way of extra video/songs/etc.). And the rapid-fire pace of the waves did make it feel like the company was "serious" about carving out a foothold in the EN market. The pace obviously didn't seem sustainable but no one was sure when the money would run out.

>>103045892
if she even stays a vtuber and goes corpo, it'll be glitch stars, not phase

>>103046092
An illusion.

In that time they were THE best vtuber group, even better than Holo. It only lasted a couple months, sadly. Man imagine if it had kept going.

>>103053746
>Ethyria killed it before Luxiem did
They were sort of a non-factor, nobody watched them or cared about them. Although it was annoying seeing them being shilled in threads "please watch our shitters!" no thanks.

Ethyria were all nepo-hires, and they joined with firm expectations for how much money they expected to make. When they fell short, they started blaming people, convinced they were *owed* a certain income standard. When the males came, they hopped on the train and started mixing genders, "breaking boundaries" as they called it. This caused the other girls to get jealous and to do the same, and that was the disaster. That is what completely killed the girl's side of the branch and turned them into nothing but male orbiters, as their own loyal fanbases were killed off and exchanged for whatever pittance they could leech from one of the godlike males they orbited.

>Enna
dear god one of the worst hires they ever made. I know the bitchy Nijisisters like her, but from a male perspective that thing has to be removed.

>Dokibird or Rosemi or Mint's solo streams
not the same, not even close. Whole energy is different.

>>103046092
A lot of fun. Not many talents, no need to endlessly choose who to watch from the overlapping ones, all that. Chemistry was amazing for the most part, and the events were great. I don't even hate the later waves all that much, there still was some kino content here and there - Nijicancelled, the whole Dead Space arc with Selen and Ike, the infamous Phasmo collab with the candle meta, all that stuff. But the branch didn't know how to attract anyone but fujoshis starting from luxiem, and everything pretty much went downhill from there. Ike's whole part in the shitshow was pretty bad, I liked his chemistly with Selen, and the SADX stream was some of the best content they made that entire year. I'm glad at least Doki's doing fine-ish these days, but it's still kind of sad that the whole company had to go up in flames over a single graduation like this.

blaming management for anything but their shit hires is a cope for entitled enfags and cashing in on luxiem was the correct choice

>>103053746
Was it like the Sloppies collabs but all the time?

>>103053516
>I'm tired of seeing fujoshis blamed for their downfall. They are, by and large, extremely annoying people that I do not want to be around, but I truly don't begrudge them for enjoying their slutty males.
I begrudge them. They should have never been given an opening to begin with, they destroy anything they are allowd to. Same reason I am currently sick of the homoEN sisters latching onto ERB as their only possible gateway into the main branch. They are leeches and parasites.

>>103060090
No. You'd be watching Elira play a cozy game, and then Finana would hop into the call and now it's a collab and they start talking about the game, and they just continue for a while until Finana leaves. Maybe someone else joins later, etc. etc.
Once Pomu came back from her surgery, she was always great whenever she showed up unexpected because she usually started causing trouble in a fun way.
I don't remember if it was during lazusydia, but there was a famous time when Elira was playing a game, and Pomu started a stream going "Elira lets play minecraft" over and over with the visuals getting more distorted, bloody, and chaotic. Everything was kind of freeform and schedules were sort of suggestions. Selen would regularly pop into Petra or Finana's streams to bully them, too.

My personal favorite though was that time Selen did a drunk stream in minecraft, and Pomu showed up and started messing with her. She trapped Selen in holes and made her beg to be let out. It was great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjQJ-Wmr-rI

>>103058015
Management plays a bigger part in keeping Vtuber companies afloat than people admit. If Vtubers have to work harder to even get to the point of streaming or there is huge overhead, it affect stuff on camera. Having things go smoothly is pretty imperative. And Luxiem wasn't the issue, as said, it was Ethyria because they ruined the group dynamics of Lazulight and Obsydia.
>>103060090
I would say yes to amount of closeness but all the interactions are somewhat formal and scheduled. >>103060272 explained it better than me. God it is hard to find older clips but this should give you something to work with. You don't have to watch them fully.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x85pyiU5E1Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix4tiuAlT7U
The magic was the spontaneity, randomness, and on-call nature of it. It really felt like the chemistry of the group was on a whole another level. But by the time Ethyria debuted, it was over because of the reasons people mentioned already. Because they were more yabby and cliquely, they didn't like to do this stuff and then slowly but surely, it died out. Nowadays, you have have some remnants of this around the space like other Vtubers showing up in chat or doing discord calls and etc. but they don't disrupt the Vtuber's stream for too long, certainly not to the amount of time that Finana clip took. And part of it is now Vtubing is a lot more secret and behind the doors so they won't open comm to us fans anymore. We may never get that back unfortunately.
>>103060272
It's this clip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2XE-6vNofw
This happened a month and a half after debut. It was ridiculous how much original things they managed to do.

>>103060272
>"Elira lets play minecraft" over and over with the visuals getting more distorted, bloody, and chaotic
Oh I watched a compilation of that.
>Everything was kind of freeform
HoloEN was like that back then too, or at least to a greater degree than now. In fact, even the ex-corpos now are very structured. I wonder what gives?

>>103053675
>he doesnt know

So much chemistry that they can't stop back stabbing each other KEK. That the nijien family alright!

>>103060458
A gen where two people openly admited they were nepohires really did kill the atmosphere.

Rosemi probably isnt leaving any time soon. She’s shown no signs of it outside of her lack of streams, which are also likely due to migraines.

>>103060463
It was, but in general it was a lot more structured.
I personally felt HoloEN was really stiff in Myth and Council. NijiEN was a complete breath of fresh air. I preferred the more laid back style of streaming Niji did where they had "less restrictions" on what they could say or play.
Unfortunately, we now know that the reason they had less restrictions was less leniency and more neglect.

My personal favorite thing was that the girls were allowed to be a lot more scathing with their banter. Pomu and Selen could call each other bitches and whores and nobody would bat an eye, but if you heard Mumei call Ina a whore, chances are the holo fans at the time would crucify her. Banter in holo felt sanitized and less creative.

Also the Kronii thing with the offline minecraft stuff turned me entirely off of Holo since those kinds of possessive fans really disturbed me. I didn't really come back until Advent.

At the time, Niji just felt like a cozier, more tight-knit version of HoloEN with what felt like more laid back fans.

>>103060514
Well yeah. The thing is we didn't know that at the time, so I'm mostly going off of what we thought things were like.

>>103045796 (OP)
>rosemi fans
they have a name dumbass

>>103060463
Part of it also was because the corpo gave them "homework" and etc. to do so the talents have less time to do things. But this goes even more so with everyone indie or ex-corpo having their own things to manage without a corpo and projects that they want to keep under wraps to unveil to fans eventually. So everything feels taken more seriously and it is more a business than a hobby, which is true now.
The main thing really though besides time is innocence and pureness, there's a lot less of it behind the scenes, you don't interact with someone else for the heck of it without getting something out of it. Why would you as an indie Vtuber interrupt someone else's stream like what has been posted even if those people also might watch you and etc. to facilitate that kind of interaction? It takes too much time to spontaneously do it or be on call to do it, which was part of what made it work. If you had a corpo that did low overhead and made the streamers do minimal amounts of work without too many projects, it may be able to happen with some prodding nowadays. The only way I think this can happen realistically without a perfect corpo is doing a streaming/gaming house but it makes no sense for Vtubing and I think the interactions would be way too forced.
>>103060939
I do think at the time, it was genuine to some level the girls all liked one another to that extent and had that bond between one another to do that. Even if it only lasted less than 5 months, it was truly a sight to behold.
>>103060964
Sorry rosebud, I hope somehow your oshi is still doing well.

>>103056379
>glitch stars
Who?

>>103061221
TheDuelLogs made a vtuber corpo.
Sunny and Mogu are already there, plus Nova Aokami is a huge Rosemi fan.

>>103061198
>The only way I think this can happen realistically without a perfect corpo is doing a streaming/gaming house

Holy shit, imagine the YABS

>>103061303
>Mogu
Yessss, I didn't know where she was, thank you anon

>>103046092
Lazulight only. Everything after was starting to get mired by garbage.

>>103061406
Swap Finana for Rosemi and the perfect gen exists.

>>103061303
I can't see her getting picked up because Phase is probably going to get to her first with a better offer possibly as I imagine and I don't think Duellogs can offer enough to counter something like that.
>>103061310
If it isn't going to be a Big Brother type setup, it could be kept under wraps unless it got bad enough to blow up. But yeah, I can see it attracting dramafags and that would just ruin it right out of the gate.
>>103061385
Were you living under a rock? People talked about it and her redebut and /gsg/ was here for a time before moving to the other site after the April hack. Her schedule and content mix and the atmosphere can be different enough to what she had as Vivi as to put you off and Twitch vs Youtube, so just be aware of that.

>>103046092
I miss it bros... it was peak NijiEN before they added the other waves that killed the branch
Lazusydia and Myth was the golden era

>>103061567
Dear god no. Rosemi is the most milquetoast white bread trash ever. Meanwhile Finana was responsible for the first nijien meme that got big and was the perfect counterbalance to Elira who back then was the goody two shoes older sister with Finana being the bratty ero little sister, and Pomu in the middle. Lazulight was the most perfectly balanced gen ever.

>>103061571
Why yes, I DO live under a rock. I came back to /vt/ to behold the unicorn carnage and got drawn in by this nostalgic thread. I loved Vivi!
Thanks for the warnings. I just want to see her happy. The final Vivi streams were absolutely heartbreaking.

>>103061571
doesn't phase take 50% on everything after platform cuts? the only chuuba in GS with such a term is Stimpak, who also happens to be one of the managers and she gets far more out than what she puts in.

>>103061653
She's pretty happy now, don't worry. She has a Youtube where it is mostly clips and and VODs channel for her Twitch streams. Should probably go there first before anything else. She was watching EVO today.

>>103061795
Bless her, of course she was. I'm glad she's still serious about fighting games!
Thanks for the reassurance, anon.

>>103061639
>Rosemi is the most milquetoast white bread trash ever.
Terrible take. Her dedication to the seiso bit yielded some excellent comedy.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9OeI0bqubVQ&t=52m30s

>>103061303
>plus Nova Aokami is a huge Rosemi fan
>fan
She's one of Rosemi's absolute closest friends, inside or outside of Niji

>>103047067
>primarily staffed by women
rumao

>>103060896
>Pomu and Selen could call each other bitches and whores and nobody would bat an eye
Normally I find stuff like that really crass as I prefer more underhanded/subtle kind of banter but for some reason it's literally okay for me if it's DokiMint doing it.
>>103061198
>everything feels taken more seriously
Yeah, you can feel it. My last resort as far as non-solo content goes is the "old married couple" archetype in TimeRyS and DokiMint nowadays.
>>103060896
>Advent
I find Advent and Justice painfully manufactured.

>>103046092

It felt like a lot of potential. I remember hearing about Nijisanji and trying them out, and being very pleasantly surprised. Obsydia in particular had a really nice vibe, and when Ethyria came out Nijisanji became a regular fixture in my balanced vtuber diet. It always felt a bit like off-brand hololive, but like one of the really good off brands that puts effort in and changes to formula from the thing they're copying in ways that you could identify as being meaningfully different or preferable. It always felt like there was a much looser set of reins on them from above (which is hilarious, in hindsight) and the personalities that I was introduced to were all so different to what I was used to with holo. I really liked Luxiem when they came out, too, because it was really nice to get a bit of variety amongst the clam chowder, and it was like hanging out with the boys.

Once Noctyx came out it stopped feeling like watching a scrappy upstart with a lot of potential and it started to feel a lot more like watching a corpo throw people at the wall to see what sticks. The magic truly died with Iluna; everything after was balls deep in diminishing returns. Then everything went to shit violently.

I miss early Ethyria.

>>103063758
Good post, anon. I miss early Ethyria, too. Fortunately, Matara's stable of usual content wives and husbands stands a good chance of holding together.

>>103046505
You ever see someone play minecraft?

If she graduates do you think she'll start dressing like a slut again?

Sloppy Sisters is fucking kino of the highest order. Nostalgia is unnecessary.

She isn't confident enough to go indie because she knows that she isn't talented.
She has a likable personality but no dynamism to gain attention and no gift of gab to retain it.
When NijiEN was popping off she was always the weakest link only able have minor contributions when setup by others.

Seemingly not being a piece of shit as a human isn't a reliable income generator in the attention market.

>>103063758
I think a lot of the early stuff comes down to them all being in the discord together hanging out. They were able to just fuck around and get to know eachother, set up impromput collabs and such. As it went on and more and more new people came in the older ones felt awkward and stopped hanging around as much, leading to it feeling less close.

For Rosemi specifically she's always join any collab selen made, which was most of them. After the ugliness she just kinda flitted about and the months of trips to japan to do the concert didn't help, she just never seemed to have as much fun with anyone else or solo streams again.

>>103046092
garbage to the point that despite getting their way paved by holoen and borrowing heavily from them, they only left ignominy by being carried by more interesting male vtubers
If you know the general state of male vtubers you can see how bad the early days where when they were considered an upgrade

>>103064974
Eh, she could probably survive as an indie. She won't see any large growth but you would be suprised how much a streamer with 200 CCV and a very dedicated and loyal fanbase like rosemi earns.

>>103062517
can this dumbass plant go back to Saints Row 2 already?

>>103064974
>She isn't confident enough to go indie because she knows that she isn't talented.
Copy pasting this in every Rosemi thread doesn't make it true.
>>103065610
We get it, sister, you were only there for the male sex appeal. What an interesting and original take.
>>103065783
I don't watch her anymore because lol Niji. Does she have the audience and experience that she wants now? Maybe she makes it work like Scarle does.

>Remember the early days of (X)?
>There was so much potential.

Many such cases.

>>103067424
potentialman remains undefeated

>>103064526
Nostalgia is always gonna be a thing, unfortunately. I still think the idea might have worked if done properly

>>103046092
Best era of EN vtubing. Went downhill after.

>>103046092
until

>>103070961
I hope Niji EN never goes under and he stays there forever.

>>103061303
I still don’t see a case where DualLog’s corpo lasts long. Most vtuber start ups don’t really pan out, especially if they give too much of their splits to the talents.

>>103046092
A bit like holoEN before they hired guys, just not as good and more obnoxious. Finana was always ass, you could always tell Elira was a cunt.

>>103045864
It could happen. She's too nice to her coworkers so she will never let you know.

>>103071337
NTA, but DuelLogs from what I know doesn't really have big dreams to expand or whatever.
He's just using it as an excuse to fund his favorite streamers/friends with all the content farm money he has. Dude is fucking loaded from all of his channels and he's definitely operating glitch stars at a loss.
Because of this, I absolutely believe he'd take Rosemi in in a heartbeat and it'd likely be Rosemi's safest option if nobody bigger wants her. (I think people have been saying Dizzy wants to nepo her into phase but that was years ago, but I can't really see that happening)
In a way, that makes them more stable and less reliant on the girls' revenue, but if his channels die for whatever reason, then glitch stars goes bye bye.