Do femanons get upset when the boys stream with girls?

Do they want their men to only fuck only men like we want our oshi to only fuck girls?

>>103151899 (OP)
newfag hasn't seen the melties from niji sisters.

>>103151899 (OP)
Most women find a man more attractive the more women he interacts with.
Most women don't watch vtubers.

>>103151899 (OP)
Yumes yes, but the male vtuber sphere is just all around smaller.

>>103151899 (OP)
>Do femanons get upset when the boys stream with girls?
The sanest female vtuber fan is worse than the most deranged unicorn.

>>103151899 (OP)
Women are meant to be in harems, they're fine with other females as long as there's no favoritism

>>103151899 (OP)
Personally no, with one exception. I dont watch any men anymore but i used to. I was a Vox fan and then I got cucked and found out he was shitty anyway. I enjoyed his collabs with girls but to have bfe asmr cut off so he could help reimu of all people, who's personality i already didnt like, was a smack in the face. I moved on to hololive boys and I really wanted vesper and fauna to collab as they were my favourites in hololive, then vesper and magni graduated (they were my favourites) and I found a real life boyfriend. Now I dont watch male vtubers much. I tried to get into randon but its just not the same. Now I only watch girls.

>>103152544
Did you feed only catalog bait to an AI and asked it to shit out a reply to this post

>>103151899 (OP)
Looking at the homos ccv we can easily see that they don't watch streams, so no, they don't get mad.

Some women do, some women don't. It is similar to maleanons

>>103151899 (OP)
I'm not retarded enough to believe my oshi fucks everyone they talk to but I don't like when Stars collab with Holo.
There's always a very uncomfortable atmosphere because they have to walk on eggshells. Most have very forced uninteresting relationships. On top of everything, collab beggars and unicorns can't stop moaning every time they happen.

>>103151899 (OP)
Would you plap Biboo if s(he) was actually a Thai lady boy?

>>103153425
Same.
The sad thing is that in most cases, if the boys try to treat the girls like they would each other, the larger fanbase will get outraged.
If Axel calls Doki a bitch for killing him, and she calls him a whore, nobody bats an eye and maybe it gets clipped.
But if Mumei called Ina a whore for killing her in minecraft, the unruly mob would've been disastrous. Now imagine if one of the boys said it and people would start getting fired.

Any interaction would have to be extremely sanitized unless they've gone out of their way to filter fans beforehand like Shiori and ERB did.

>>103153941
But as you point out, the rules are completely different with fembrotubers. And while Dokibird is probably the most bro-like of brotubers, I think she is rubbing off on the large indie culture. think Filian but less obnoxious, maybe.

>>103151899 (OP)
>every fucking male viewer is a femanon
>our entire fucking world is dicks on dicks
of course they get upset

captcha: hate you fucking kids

>>103151899 (OP)
Looking at NijiEN, sisters seem to like it when the males sexpest the girls, but not the reverse (check the archives for "milliewilly")

>>103151899 (OP)
there's no "we" here, unicorn

A female can be impregnated by a male once every nine months; conversely a male can impregnate a female daily or even more frequently. Also historically males have been the sole provider for families.
Therefore women are generally accepting of other women on a male's stream; their ability to bear the male's children is unaffected and they can always hope the male will give them and their offspring favoritism compared to another female's
Conversely males will be turned off if another male is in proximity to their desired female; if a male consummates her relationship with her, she will be dependent upon him long term, and even if she chooses to enter a relationship with another male he will be socially obligated to provide for the prior male's progenity

>>103151955
spbp
yumejoshi exist but women are already a minority and they're a minority of the minority
there's more lesbians watching the girls

>>103151899 (OP)
no
they like that shit

>>103154986
Holy jordan peterson, batman
Did you know that if you write "therefore" it doesn't actually always bridge the logical leap between sentences ?

>>103152809
No i guess im just walking talking catalog bait.

>>103151899 (OP)
I know you’re being facetious but unironically you have no idea the melted fujoshi will throw.

>>103153603
>if
lol
lmao

>>103151899 (OP)
I got pretty mind broken when roberu got in with mea and just started. ollabing constantly. he was always around women and I actually was okay with it, but mea I particularly dislike for a multitude of reasons. it was stupid because he was basically the only thing keeping me sane while I was going through a rough period in my life, and then once he started collab spamming with mea it all just went to hell. it was my one safe thing that got destroyed. I hate that filthy bitch more than words can say. never complained about it outside of this board because I dont like causing trouble for talents. every male oshi i had graduated was terminated or graduated and i was consumed by despair. since then I found a boyfriend, a new job, and I only watch female chuuba. life is a lot better now.

>>103151923
Tbf niji spaces are easy to avoid

>>103163525
true enough does help most of the shit around the guys stays on twitter instead of coming here most of the time unless its actual drama like aster.

>>103152544
Are you a cmqt patoie 3.14?

>>103151899 (OP)
>>103151923
This exactly. Nijisis femcels have been extremely vicious whenever one of their male oshis streamed with a female vtuber. People just pretend like that didn't happen a million times.

>>103151899 (OP)
some of them, but lots of sisters get into hetero shipping which is just absolute cancer

>>103151899 (OP)
yes

>>103151899 (OP)
I want my male oshi to get railed by a train of old men.

>>103157321
>jordan peterson out of nowhere
istg it's always women who bring him up.

>>103162983
I can relate to this. Pretty sad that the masses (and sometimes the vtuber/streamer themselves) have yet to recognise how there are viewers that treat streams as their safe spaces from all the shit that goes in their daily life, and spend their time tearing it down just because "idol bad" or "parasocials stink" or whatever agenda they're on the warpath of, the irony being that the same crowd probably also pushed for enabling safe spaces within other communities and more well known demographics.

>>103163664
No im a fat pooner and I have an oshi for im very loyal to now and I wont say their name because I need to gatekeep my oshi

>>103151899 (OP)
For me, yes. It’s hard to avoid though because so many male tubers do it. I quit Vox after he had the whole Reimu thing, though I tolerated his female collabs before it because I enjoyed his bfe but after he pulled the annoying not your friend thing I dropped him completely

>>103154986
>Therefore women are generally accepting of other women on a male's stream;
Anon women were simply forced to accept it. Its not like they wanted it.

>>103151955
Not true in the Vtubing community, female fans of male Vtubers will tolerate moderate interactions between the girls and guys, but they get angry if a girl and a guy stream regularly together (or they flirt openly), and like unicorns, they don't feel threatened with other guys. That was part of the reason why Axia Krone from Nijisanji JP left.

>>103168490
Also, remember the incident where Vox's fans harassed Reimu because they were collabing a lot and he had to make a statement about it?

>>103168490
Both unicorns and fem-icorns harassed Axia because the person he was collabing a lot with is a very big female JP liver, from what I remember one of her unicorns got arrested for targeted harassment against Axia?

>>103154322
Female fans of Vtubers who like hetero ships are in the low percentile, like men, a lot of them feel envious or cucked unless it is with another guy. Female Vtuber fans are similar to fans of male k-pop groups. They just express it differently. Instead of getting angry and aggressive outwardly, they will often act "concerned" or coddle the male, while anonymously bashing the female he collabed with. Like, I doubt a female fan would send a superchat that says "condom money for [redacted]" but they will be more passive aggressive about their seething.

>>103151899 (OP)
I would assume so. I don't watch Niji though

>>103151899 (OP)
Fans of the NijiEN boys usually like the collabs more if the girl is a fujo, because then they can self-insert while watching them interact or see them as a "comrade"

>>103151899 (OP)
>like we want our oshi to only fuck girls
cuck

>>103151899 (OP)
When Pomu/Mint used to flirt with Luca all of the time, female fans didn't like it because it was a hetero ship (even though some in the minority did), but because they had a teasing relationship, like a brother and sister, and it was fun

>>103162983
Frankly it sounds like you did good becoming a normalfag instead of falling down what sounds like the BFE rabbithole. It is a thing with vtubers that just makes sense in hindsight though; you put a bunch of nerdy and potentially introverted guys and girls together, and at least one of them will use it as an opportunity to hook up.

>>103151899 (OP)
used to oshi ike back in 2022 because he is a vocaloidfag, i didn't mind collabs involving girls because i wasn't gachikoi but i can see others being upset about that. dropped him after the whole selen thing. i only keep myself to female vtubers like ina these days since she doesn't get into drama and is comfy to listen to while i draw. idk why but male vtubers get into drama way more often than female vtubers which is weird because you'd expect it to be the other way around.

>>103152012
Nah a lot of the art dykes and cosplay whores are fine it is the homo lovers that are super toxic like 99.9% of the time.

>>103162983
That sounds like a you problem, anon. How do you even begin to expect different from someone so upfront about not wanting to act like an idol?
Even if you didn't dislike Mea, he's constantly moving between groups, it was bound to happen eventually.

>>103169525
Exactly this. I would even argue that for most female fans (especially of the fujo variety) loyalty is more important than the coed collabs themselves. Yagoo said himself that brotherhood was the main selling point of Tempus before the branch imploded. If a maletuber got his start in an established group of bros, it 100% annoys people when that dynamic gets dropped for shinier toys.

I exclusively watch stars. Every complaint about content always boils down to a feeling of betrayal at collab choices. Magni fell off after he started ignoring the rest of the branch to leech Bettel, Vesper fell off after he started ignoring the boys to leech the girls, Bettel fell off after he started ignoring Vanguard to collab more with Magni and Twobert, literally everything about Jurard, etc. If a guy isn’t outright BFE, the female version of CGDCT is watching a male friendship develop over time.

>>103153603
>Would you plap Biboo
Yes

>>103172924
This happened to some nijiJP groups like VALZ i think.

>>103152012
>unicorns are the male version of this
truly subhuman

>>103152407
You only say that about pretty women. You'd never want an ugly woman in a harem.

>>103152544
>>103170608
funny how these fake anons keep shilling hololive and holostars orz

>>103172924
Yagoo doesn't have room to talk with male Vtuber success because both Holostars EN and JP have failed in the market

>>103175629
i'm just not a tribalfag & open to watching anyone.

>>103175736
that's my wife

This is literally the origin of the niji docs where they would write out sins of the girls who dared stream with the boys.

>>103167723
If I may ask, did the events with Selen reinforce your decision, or did you sympathize more with the company?

>>103151899 (OP)
am married, dont like male vtubers, they feel unsafe to me anyway. But sometimes I wish I still had friends. Cascading organfailure with a sidedish of damage to optic nerve and memory. People that never really cared left cause thats complicated. The ones that were genuinely close cant take interacting with me. Im not whining about shit either, Im not a child, but even my best friend cant take it because even through just text theres very obvious difference to back when I was a real person. I cant tell in the moment, which is the problem.
Men are absolute fucking saints though, my husband, his brother, and their dad are the only people that think of me as a person still. I dont give a fuck about being dead but Im really scared what happens to them.
You havent seen someone suffer until you have seen the reflection of yourself slowly dying in the eyes of the man that loves you and that you love.

I know you dont care. Thats why Im telling you. You dont get hurt by this shit cause you realize itd be funny if I was a troll. Theres no girls here anyway, right? I love 4chan because Im not alone here but at the same time I dont exist.
When he comes home from work later Im gonna tell him you clowns told me to tits or gtfo or something and he ll know Im having a good day.

>>103172924
"ignoring the branch" might honestly be accepted if those guys streamed like crazy (basically showing favoritism but still having collabs with their "least favorite" quite frequently), like some fulltime fleshie streams mog pekora easily in streaming hours, why is a vtuber streaming four hours a day consistently that hard?

>>103181704
>But sometimes I wish I still had friends.
which is why I watch female vtubers, cause thats what I miss the most.

I cant believe I never typed this sentence, I swear I checked multiple times.

>>103151899 (OP)
>Insane Unicorn: I am sad, I will stop watching this vtuber and supporting her
>Average sister: Me and 100 other women have worked tirelessly for months to ruin his life, destroy his reputation and end his carteer but we should also acid attack the girl he collabed with

>>103175542
This is about what women are fine with, not what I'm fine with

>>103151899 (OP)
I don't care about yaoi/Yuri I just want to see boys or girls being cute. I'm tired of collab beggars and support "unicorns"because at least from the ones I've seen stick to their principles. People want to force so badly mxf Collabs and they turn out to be boring. I rather see people do stuff with their genmates or just watch the vtuber individually most of the time.

>>103151899 (OP)
Bae once got hate from fujos for doing a watchalong with one of the homos.

>>103151899 (OP)
Gets bf becomes a normie and doesn't trust male vtubers anymore the thread. Also you guys just sound like casuals now to

>>103181704
> am married, dont like male vtubers, they feel unsafe to me anyway. But sometimes I wish I still had friends
> which is why I watch female vtubers, cause thats what I miss the most.
That kinda describes me, though the reasons why I don't have any friends are different.
And female vtubers typically have predominantly male fanbases, so I either avoid interacting with it entirely or do so anonymously and gender-neutrally.

>>103152407
speak for yourself tranny. i'm making him my little eunuch bitch if he even dares look at other girls

>>103151899 (OP)
idgaf as long as i like the girl he's collabing with and they have a nice dynamic and banter (whether it be just platonic or flirty)
i don't gachi any male vtubers desu like what's even the point. if im gonna be jealous just bc he interacts with women then by that logic i should also be jealous if he gives any attention to the other female fans.
it's pointless to gachi a vtuber, just stick with a fictional character that u can control

>>103151899 (OP)
this is an interesting thread, peeps are realizing that female gachikois and unicorns aren't that different from the male variety

>>103184014
may I ask if the "unsafe" part is among the things that describe you as well?
I dont interact with fanbases much either, but I dont dislike them. When I do though, I dont mention Im not a man unless Im talking to a woman in a non-public space.
Originally been on 4chan since I was a teenager and I "learned" to adjust my typing style to a more neutral-male leaning kind of phrasing for reasons that are probably obvious. vtuber spaces are more accepting of course, still dont like it tho.

>>103154986
I will impregnate this male
>>103155048
>more lesbians watching the girls
yeah probably holofangirls but not in my community. i'm probably the straightest girl on the internet but my kamioshi is a woman. and surprisingly none of the male vtubers particularly caught my interest, i found the bfe shit repulsive and cringe instead but idk i may be just a normalfag

Im a dyke that watches Doki, so no I dont give a shit.

>>103185107
(^that is based)

>>103185551 (me)
i've been noticing this on xitter a lot lately but what is up with nijifans calling themselves 'lesbians' and putting 'sapphic' on their bio but you look at their oshi list and their posts and it's all about them thirsting over the guys like that shit pmo so bad.
>im a lesbian
>has like 10 oshi marks
>all male
>only tweets about guys and no girls
rage bait omfg

>>103185752
( ´,_ゝ`) If you read what the other women in thread said they were attached to bfe types but then became a normie after because tired of their drama and how they were with female vtubers.

>>103181096
Def reinforce, I tried watching the stars but they don’t really give a bfe experience like Vox did so I just watch holo girls now

>>103185845
lmao 0/10 larp

>>103151899 (OP)
There is something I want ask since there are other women in the thread? ( ´,_ゝ`) I don't really get how you think women vtubers are any different from guys when it comes to drama? Vox was always a guy since the beginning I was neutral on but I don't like male feminists and his true colors showed through after the stupid asmr fiasco. I don't really understand about feeling unsafe in the "community" if you can even call it that. I have a harder time getting along with other female fans because either 1 like someone said they say they are lesbians or nonbinary while watching guys or 2 they watch the girls and are collabeggars and cry about men in the community when they are outsiders

>>103181704
oh,,,,best wishes to u anon. idk what to say to these kind of stuff i'm not good with giving nice comforting words to anyone. But i'm glad to hear you have good people in your life, take care, gws?

>>103186080
i just watch people that are fun/nice to watch and stay out of drama to the best of their ability. male or female it doesn't really matter as long as the content is entertaining or informative.

>>103186080
>I don't really get how you think women vtubers are any different from guys when it comes to drama?
what

>>103185350
their core might be similar bc it's the same concept but let's bfr they move and act different. there's also wide spectrum of female gachikois
>>103181980
even you don't actually believe that kek

>>103175542
Not true

>>103185635
That is what makes the dragoons so awesome. I truly think that Doki has fostered one of the most inclusive, least bigoted fanbases a chuuba could have.

>>103186080
You see, kaomoji anon, male vtubers are a sanitized image of men. Think about every trait that a lesbian might hate: from appearances, misogyny, traditional values, violent behaviors... They don't show that on stream. Their image makes them almost fictional and closer to a woman in their eyes. Now, and I know this is still a blasphemy to utter in this board but, not everyone wants to fuck the vtubers they watch.
While being nonbinary has nothing to do with it, retard.

>>103187017
>While being nonbinary has nothing to do with it, retard.
they prob meant to say that people(female, afab) claim to be ""queers"" and have many oshis but all or majority of them are men like here >>103185752

>>103152407
>as long as there's no favoritism
one is interacting with him directly, everyone else is getting ignored in the cuck chair so you tell me if there is no favoritism

>>103185107
women talking tough is always funny to me
by the grace of the man youre with he doesnt kill you for speaking like that

^ this corny mf kek
hie dispatch thyself faggot ere i rape thy asshole and disembowel thy urethra

Any girl(female) here wanna let me taste pusspuss plz :3

>>103188565
the modern era really turned everyone into glass cannons, eh? the idea of winning fights with one lucky shot from a taser or pepper spray makes everyone less scared

Yumejoshi femanons get upset about it but they just seethe in silence or on locked accounts. Only the Chinese yumejoshis are openly batshit insane.

>>103185376
I wouldn't say I see male vtubers as unsafe by default. For me it's more about certain kinds of masculinity(?) feeling unsafe, and vtubers tend to tone that down. But when a male vtuber leans too hard into fanservice, it can get pretty uncomfortable. I don't like heavy fanservice from female vtubers either, but since it's usually aimed at men, it feels less personal, if that makes sense.
> Originally been on 4chan since I was a teenager and I "learned" to adjust my typing style to a more neutral-male leaning kind of phrasing for reasons that are probably obvious
Same, except it was a local imageboard rather than 4chan. But the skills I picked up there barely transfer over into English (I'm ESL). So I feel like a cripple here - unable to properly express myself and can only vaguely guess how it might be perceived.

>>103152407
When did this retarded pseudoscience start getting reposted so often to this board? Also, there's always favoritism in a harem.

>>103187017
Nothing about these men are women like in nature regardless of the image someone creates. Also yeah what that other person said "queers" the people who think like this live in a delusional world . I'm not good at explaining stuff but that doesn't make me a retard

>>103189256
the board is literally 90% retards (not just saying that to be insulting, I mean people with ACTUAL mental retardation)
of course they're going to post retarded things

>>103186327
I feel the same way ( ;∀;) keep having fun with streams

>>103152544
>Now I only watch girls.
based

>>103186504
I messed up my words on that part so ignore it sorry.

>>103186080
women are dangerous in different ways, they need to know things and have some sort of relevant access point to bother fucking me over or attack me. Im some random clown in a chat, they dont care, theyre not a danger to me and I dont perceive them as such.
Men are different. Theres two aspects to it:
1) is the current mainstream. The metoo, the hysteria the luxory belief that tells you every man would rape you if he could without getting jailtime? made up by women that want to larp as powerful, as virtuesignalling and as victims at the same time. I noticed that the vast majority of other women that were victims in similar ways to a similar amount as I was think modern feminists are ignorant children at the best of times. The idea we could police men's sexuality without men's consent is laughably stupid. The only reason these women can have this retarded perception of the world is because they are completely wrong. Yet, theres many of them that will see women as safe vtuber wise for the same reason I do. Women do not trigger the same fear.
2) also related to this: >>103188334
Former battered wife and prior to that other stuff, yes, there ARE evil men, yes they wont just rape you. The physical violence isnt great, but you can get used to certain things for a while. Theres a maximum level for trauma though, at some point it crosses into the physical realm and no amount of talking will do anything to help you. We can not cure overtuned fear, we can not even really treat it. of the 7 women I was close to that had comparable levels of mental damage, 4 are dead by suicide/OD, 1 has vanished about a year ago, other one in and out of wards every few weeks, constant attempts. All of us were put on heavy meds a long long time ago and were also multidrugaddicts. Not to chase the dragon, that doesnt fucking work anyway if you need to use GABA-A or opioid receptors to regulate reality back to normal permanently you cant get by with one drug.
Women knew what was happening to me. They didnt care beyond like bullying me with it. Last time I saw my mom she said I was hard to deal with and that she thinks she should try beating me into submission like the people that did this to me, and maybe itd be good if the man that went above and beyond to save me started beating me too because then Id be less of a burden at least. thanks mom.
Yes, theres men that are monsters. Yes, they can absolutely destroy you. But it was ALSO men who didnt make fun of me, who went out of their way, spent money, risked their jobs, to get me out. It wasnt easy. Its men that see my irl behaviour and it changes how they see the world, even those that had terrible lives and pulled themselves out, theyre not pussies. But its very hard for a normal man to see a woman suffer in this way. 99,9% of men are not able to rape or kill a woman. Only sociopaths can. Even the person that put me through hell though, tried to kill me eventually. And he couldnt do it. In his own way, there was a limit.

the "good people" Women just shame us. Or worse. You know what happens when you anonymously call a wifebeater and rapist these things because youve no fucking brain? I PAY THE FUCKING PRICE YOU DUMB FUCKING CUNTS EVERY FUCKING TIME STOP TRYING TO GET ME KILLED JUST CAUSE YOU THINK ITS FUCKING FUNNY
I live in a protective bubble now, the stuff that used to happen still happens in my head, you cant fix this. But nobody tells me Im not really a person anymore. Im a hag now, but for the first time, Im safe, protected and loved.
Ive infinite sympathy for every women going through hard things. I hate modern feminists. I love the spirit of men. I know what the lives of all of us would look like, if you were actually like these cunts think. You are not, and at least I know that thats the case. I realize that doesnt change how fucked up the world is nowadays though.
I apologize for the spergout. Its dramatic to make a point that Ive wanted to make for years. Im not currently in danger, havent been for over a year.

>>103189766
It's nice you don't see every man as a faceless monster lying in wait to destroy defenseless women, but it's a little too late for that. The damage is done, every day I see more and more men distance themselves from women and leave them to struggle alone with shit they'd normally help with in the past.

#metoo'd too close to the sun, as the saying goes.

What do women want from vtubers?

What do men want from vtubers?

>>103189477
but what did u mean to say

>>103189948
As a man I watch Neuro.

>>103189948
i want the funny

>>103189948
rakugo

>>103189766
Fearmongering is disgusting behavior (｡・´_｀・｡) I'm sorry friend for the stuff you went through. There are people in this world who will just have a facade and when actual folks are in trouble they won't go out of there way to help. That's basically what those weirdo feminists in this era are all about just fakers who are self righteous

>>103189948
I'm a woman and I like vtubers because I enjoy the presence of other people, I like feeling like I am their friend without the effort. Listening to male vtubers is especially nice because I crave the friendship of males without having to pay attention to the nuances that real friendships with the opposite sex require.

>>103190073
I guess what I mean is switching to female vtubers only is kind of funny to me since they can do the same stuff that guys do. Just from reading what other people have said in thread. People can watch who they want but I just thought it was strange reasoning. I'm sorry if it doesn't make sense

There are women on this board?

How are they not creeped and disgusted out by all the horni posts?

>>103151899 (OP)
It really doesn't matter if they do or do not. How humans were designed was to be monogamous. You aren't supposed to want to share your mate or your mate of interest. The biggest intersocial battles in nature happen due to this very thing.

Humanity has become warped because it has a sickness in it. Some refer to it as liberalism, but what it really is is just misfit parts, be they genetic or through modern socialization. Men going after men, women after women. Guys letting some big black buck fuck their wives and watching that makes them cum. Ever wondered why there is so much talk of that in that area or porn or hentai? Ever stopped and thought how weird that was? It IS. That's why you notice it. And those same dudes will come here and tell you it's more normal than the normal folks act.

Don't be fooled. There is a biological norm and it is to be a unicorn. Anyone who says otherwise is either lying to be seen a certain way or they themselves are warped by liberalism or genetically some way. They will deny this and protest until their dying breath, but it doesn't change that they are wrong.

>>103190546
Are you one of those idiots who thinks women don't get horny and don't make equally or worse horny posts?

>>103151899 (OP)
>asking a question directed at women
>a bunch of men reply
Never change, /vt/rannies

>>103190678
>reeeeeeee

>>103181980
Based if true. Make these manhoes learn their lesson.

>>103189948
I want the sex

>>103189766
>99,9% of men are not able to rape or kill a woman. Only sociopaths can.
99,9% of men are not able to rape or kill a woman.
>99.9% are not
>99.9%
you are fucking naive. naive af if you think only 0.01% of the human population are capable of cruelty. i wish the reality was like you think it is.
and then you go on to say
>7 women I was close to that had comparable levels of mental damage...
the math????

those retarded feminists who think 99% or 50% of men are rapist monsters and people who think like you are two sides of the same coin, and the funny thing is you don't seem to realize that and think you're better than them. you agreeing with that corny faggot doesn't make u sound any better either

>I know what the lives of all of us would look like, if you were actually like these CUNTS think. You are not.
>"Joshua.... I know this is not you uwu... I know i was severely abused by men and they messed me up but it's all these evil feminists' fault!!! #notallmen"
sorry I laughed at this


well besides all that, I'm glad you have someone after all that, nobody deserves that kind of abuse, hope things get better for you, genuinely. and I hope a better female companionship comes your way and I hope maybe you'll heal one day, if that's possible.

I only want my man to fuck me. I have my fujo enjoyments but I'm getting tired of the fag shit.

>>103191045
based fag hater
same with yuribaiters

>>103191045
this reply is reeking with larping male energy

>>103189256
I started seeing that anon respond that in multiple threads. I think it's a mindbroken Clockcuck (idk the fanbase of the clock whore, I don't watch females). He started saying this because Vesper was seen as a chad for collabing with females, so he started spouting this retarded harem fantasy. Probably so he can self-insert. That would explain what attracts men to male vtubers; they enjoy seeing a guy they think is cool collabing with their female oshi so they can imagine themselves fucking her. Not my words, men have said this themselves. I think it's weird.

>>103191153
1. I know it goes against your narrative but fujoshi aren't the only female weebs out there. I know, shocking.
2. Why do you want to be surrounded by men? Kinda gay.

>>103189885
You wont have to worry about getting metoo'd if you spot red flags in trash women. Stuff like tattoos/piercings or dyed hair are obvious examples. Also knowing whether they had a father figure or not.

>>103191245
ah mb the way you worded it read like a male anon
>Why do you want to be surrounded by men
where did u pull this out from lmao??? u made up a whole new sentence
but yes i am gay, i like girls

>>103191428
This is often not true, a lot of women hide what they really think until you're significantly invested.

>>103189885
how is it too late for me, I have a man, I dont need a second one. Im also not an anglo, nor have I ever been part of that behaviour. This is happening in many places of course, but the anglo world is kind of the worst. What I said wasnt really meant for you guys. I know you know what the world is like and what men are like. I assume you know yourself. Women however think they get to police mens sexuality by shaming you guys over dumb shit. That wont work forever. Men are the apex of this planet. ANYTHING a woman can do, you can do as well, and the vast majority of things men are much better at. Theres only one thing you can not do. Its not kids, its not sex. What men really need/want is authentic feminity. Without it, your lives are missing one crucial thing. Its why you put women on pedestals, its why you were ready to fight and die in battle to defend the tribe. You have a shitton of power, but whats it for if you lack purpose? Women require acceptance and a place to belong. Men require purpose. The stuff thats happening right now hits men harder, yes, but its absolutely horrible for women longterm as well.

Idk if you know the difference between feminism of freedom (this is the retarded one) and feminism of nurture (this is the correct one) But you should. Frankly, everyone should.


>>103190612
>How humans were designed was to be monogamous.

Men are specifically able to procreate with multiple women no business. And if the men are sufficiently powerful and can provide, many women accept this under certain circumstances.

I do not believe we were "made" to be monogamous, I seem to remember thats factually wrong, but I left uni a long time ago and its not like I can give you citations. We evolved into this culturally, because we realized that societies that are not predominantly monogamous are unstable hellholes. The worst places on earth in africa right now and over the last few decades (not counting wars between nation states) are the areas in africa where youve powerful tribesmen sitting on a dozen++ wives and most of the wealth. At the same time, youve an underclass of men that will never have the ressources to have even one wife, or anything like a family or a future, no stake in society, nothing to lose. Their lives suck, theres no outlet. This is areas around the Sahel. they pick up guns or whatever else and they start attacking all girls schools. Thats how you get hundreds of girls raped and kidnapped and forced into shit. This is horrible shit. We have realized that theres a lot of value in monogamous relationships thousands of years ago of course. this way, we know that theres a man dedicated to the protection of us and our children and you know that your children are actually your children. You dont want to work fight and die for a women that forces you to raise anothers children. Of course, thats true. We do not want to end up alone when we re pregnant or with young children. Human children cost a ton of energy early on. women arent great at surviving in the wild by ourselves anyway, but youve no idea how weak we get. Wasnt pregnancy in my case, but Ive been as low as BMI of 14.3 with clothes and shoes. The contrast between an adult men with criminal history and fighting experience and me in that state was crazy.

>>103191201
>last paragraph
that's fucking cap
t. heterosexual

>>103189766
>You know what happens when you anonymously call a wifebeater and rapist these things because youve no fucking brain?
> STOP TRYING TO GET ME KILLED JUST CAUSE YOU THINK ITS FUCKING FUNNY
So am I doing it by accident because I'm stupid or am I doing it on purpose to get you killed? This kind of wishy-washy crap women do isn't convincing. It leaves no out because you're controlling and can't resist the urge to insult me. You should be begging me to stop either because I'm ignorant of the consequences or because you just want it to end, but you're trying to have it both ways.

The only logical outcome is to say is I do know exactly what I'm doing and you deserve it. This stupid egotistical game-playing is probably why you get beaten because you can never admit you want something because you want it and asked for it, and not because I'm so stupid for not reading your mind and giving it to you.

>>103190623
Some of them are. But women generally feel stronger social pressure to avoid or suppress openly horny behavior. Even if they can act horny in private, doing it publicly (even anonymously) still feels unacceptable or outright disgusting. >>103190546 But I'd imagine any woman regularly lurking on 4chan probably develops some level of tolerance.
Saying this as a woman who literally doesn’t get horny anymore (because of meds).

>>103191667
>But women generally feel stronger social pressure to avoid or suppress openly horny behavior
I feel like you're still living in the 50's or something. This hasn't been the case for decades, women post and do all sorts of heinous shit in public now with little to no shame.

>>103191428
>>103189885
>Stuff like tattoos/piercings or dyed hair are obvious examples. Also knowing whether they had a father figure or not.
you guys are too brainrotted with grift content, irl i know women(relatives and friends) who look nothing like that, dress prim and proper, educated and have a happy, healthy family and still, out of like 20 women atleast 6 women have experienced some kind of sexual harrasment.
look at what this anon has to say >>103189766 7 of the women were victimized, 4 of them dead....

>>103191667
Why is every third woman on drugs?

>>103191667
>he doesn't know

>>103185350
desu I'm more baffled that women type in the exact schizo way that men do, I can't even comprehend that there are women here
that's not what society prepared me for

>>103191734
I don't believe you and if I did I wouldn't care. Laws and society in general or so slanted towards women I just DON'T care anymore. Everything is sexual harassment, everything is abuse towards women. If you're a man and lay dying in a ditch somewhere, I hope you're ready to explain how this affects WOMEN.

I entered this thread expecting to see pictures of biboo in promiscuous positions and all I got is a bunch of idiots.

>>103151899 (OP)
>Do they want their men to only fuck only men like we want our oshi to only fuck girls?
not surre about femanons but I sure do

>>103191667
They do the same shit we do dude, probably worse even. I've never seen any men sperg the fuck out over yuri pairings. They're just more "hermetically sealed" I guess.
Most women straight up read porn in public places, they are crazy gooners.

>>103185906
I realize it looks like that but it’s not xD if it helps I watch Uki too because he’s gay and doesn’t do the not your friend stuff, and the only holo girl I watch is Aki because I felt bad about her being the lowest subscribed to

>as a woman
>I have a man
>I'm dainty uwu
>ANYTHING a woman can do, men can do better uwu (so uhm based? let's go MPREG? Omegaverse real?)
>Men are able to procreate with many women no business but women can accept such treatment (so men aren't capable of genuine love and connection? they're sociopaths?)
barf, i was replying to a faggot tranny pretending to be a woman if that's actually a woman that's even worse. yknow I fucking hate the word p*c* m* but oh god lol

>>103186080
male fans are neutral towards each other and if anything have camaraderie when there's drama, except for a few female-coded bad eggs who demand attention, so as long as the female streamer doesn't reveal herself to be the cause of her own drama it's unlikely most of the fans will care outside of some vocal shitstirrers... appearance of instability but men only care about credible rumors and not random catty bullshit

>>103151899 (OP)
cross gender collabs are almost always unfunny clipbait "unhinged" shit for twitter niggers who don't watch either talent
there are a few exceptions but they're usually not holostars x hololive, they're usually holostars with a specific indie chuuba he gets along very well with

>>103191245
Literally this because it’s funny to me that the dudes here don’t think there’s actual women here when there are

>>103192122
I do not believe women online exist in spaces that do not require you to post your full name and picture. It just doesn't compute in my head. I automatically assume everyone is male, even if they say they're not.

>>103191888
Man I'm not here to change your worldview but no disrespect, it sounds miserable to be someone who thinks like you.
You said you wouldn't care anyways, that says enough. like idk maybe you don't have good female figures in your life that helps you put yourself in their shoes.
>laws and society are so slanted towards women
I beg to differ, maybe in america but outside? I think I would kill myself if I was some random woman in India or similar countries.
I'm asian and even if my family is not really on the traditional side, I've seen what my mother has gone through and heard even worse stuff. I couldn't live like the (older)women in my family, every once in a while I thank god I was born a man, imagine not having a dick lmao

>>103192459
Well that explains it, you're not from a western country. It's basically the same for men in the west as it is for women in the east, now. If there's a woman involved, you lose all rights as a man and become the guilty until proven innocent aggressor no matter the circumstance.

>>103192377
I presume this board has one of the higher concentrations of women simply because it's talking about other people which means you can talk about drama and gossip which tends to bring out the worst women. Obviously /cgl/ must be the highest. Also as soon the word pick me appears you know there is somewhat of a female presence. There are a lot of similarities to more psycho women places like crystal cafe

>>103192122
before there were trannies, there were gay dudes or agp pre-trannies who got off on convincing people they were cute little anime girls with bubbly/flirty speech or kaomojis or even just anime girl profile pictures
it's more embarrassing for a man to be catfished by a man pretending to be a girl, than it is to just be a cynic and assume everyone is male even if there are actual women
or in other words you only get hurt if you get attracted to someone online who turns out to be a girl but if you think everyone's a man then you'll never get hurt or embarrassed

I don't particularly love myself and if I were a woman looking at myself as the guy I am I would probably hate him (myself) even more.

>>103192559
I don't know about that, I say pickme myself sometimes. Because how do you call a woman that obviously isn't interested in something but keeps doing and talking about it anyway because she knows her 99% male audience does care?
Gives me the ick desu, and I swear I'm not a woman. Imagine you walk up to a woman and start talking about, idk, fucking make-up or something. It's just weird, you're trying way too hard.

>>103192747
Yeah, but it works. Otherwise all these grifters wouldn't be so popular.

>>103192747
i thought women like guys who do makeup or talk about makeup

>>103151899 (OP)
>Do femanons get upset when the boys stream with girls?
If we are talking about HoloEN... Then I don't care, in fact, I like to think of the girls as accessories or extras to the boys when they interact, like Kobo with Altare.

>>103192852
lol?

>>103192518
>you lose all rights as a man and become the guilty until proven innocent aggressor no matter the circumstance
instances like?
Just be grateful and happy about the fact that you have biology of a male instead of females bro.
Imagine having to give birth, I feel like that alone is respect worthy. idk how much periods hurt exactly but assuming they're not exaggerating, having to deal with stomach aches and bleeding through your hole every month sounds nightmare ish. how do they even goon, do they keep having to use toys to put inside sounds so inconvenient. Not to mention we're naturally/typically taller and stronger than them and can easily overpower an average woman.
Thinking over all these things, I don't understand why men would wanna transition into women when we have no biological nerf unlike them

>>103192852
they do, not just in a faggy way. there's an art to this

>>103192785
It works because men are desperate for female attention unfortunately... We're kinda programmed in a way that makes us happy to explain and do stuff for women because that makes us reliable.
>>103192852
Those men are gay, women like gays. Doesn't work in the opposite direction, a woman displaying interest in Warhammer 40k isn't a lesbian.

>>103192954
>instances like?
All of them. Any domestic dispute, you are the aggressor even if you're covered in wounds. Raising your voice at a woman can land you with abuse charges. My favorite more modern one is a man and woman both being blackout drunk and fucking, the man raped her because she couldn't legally consent even though he was just as bad off. "Family" court in which men routinely have said family stripped from them, given sole custody to the woman and turned into a debt slave for 18 years to life against his will.

>>103192747
I suppose it depends on how cynical you are on believing if the person actually cares. Usually I consider it a good trait if someone is curious or interested to find out why you like something they may not be interested in. I think most things that bridge the gap of understanding between men and women to be good even if it's just asking about the makeup she likes or the video game he likes.
Cynically if it is completely fake then I guess i have to accept that at the end of the day it makes sense for them to promote and do things their target audience would want them to do in order to get subscribers or donations and I also can't fault that really as long as it isn't 'morally' wrong.

>>103192122
rule 1 or whatever

why would you ever assume

>>103191045
This reads male for several reasons:
- Overly blunt sexual phrasing (“my man to fuck me”) without any softening — sounds more like a porn fantasy or what a man thinks a woman would say.
- “fag shit” is aggressive, with no hedging. A woman might say “not into BL anymore desu”, or at least soften it with “kinda over the gay stuff”. This wording reads like someone posturing, not expressing a personal take.
- The overall tone is confrontational and assertive, with zero emotional framing — often associated with male posters on 4chan.
>>103191153
This actually reads feminine, despite being accusatory:
- “reeking with larping male energy” is a performative insult — longer, more expressive, and stylized. This kind of phrase is popular among femanons calling out fakeposts.
- The insult targets tone/style, not the opinion itself — a common pattern when women on 4chan sense something “off” in the vibe.
- The word “larping” is frequently used by femanons to accuse men of pretending to be women online. The phrasing is emotionally tuned, not just “you’re wrong,” but “you’re inauthentic.”

Both read the other as male — because neither perfectly matched each other’s expectation of “how a woman sounds on here.”

>>103191201
>That would explain what attracts men to male vtubers; they enjoy seeing a guy they think is cool collabing with their female oshi so they can imagine themselves fucking her. Not my words, men have said this themselves. I think it's weird.
No way this is widespread. Maybe a handful of cuck weirdos are like that but you could find a handful of that size of pretty much any flavor of pervert.

I think any discussion of male vtubers needs to acknowledge that male vtubers don't really have much appeal at all. The most successful male streamers use regular facecam or no cam at all, they don't get the same boost from a vtuber avatar that females do. Female vtubers offer men a fantasy where a gorgeous single woman is hanging out with them and giving them seemingly free attention for hours while playing video games, or doing fun, cute, harmless stuff with other gorgeous women. When they're on camera, it's easy for it to feel insincere, because that fantastical image clashes with our experiences with actual 2D women.

When hetero men watch male streamers, they don't want a fantastical image at all, they want the experience of hanging out with a funny, cool, and relatable friend. Or even someone that's just really funny. The whole avatar thing adds nothing to this, and really just adds the risk that they'll use an edgy fuckboi avatar and actively lose appeal.

>>103193101
I just think it's sad that they're praying on the primal male instinct to be reliable and helpful to females since it's all in one ear and out the other to them.
I guess streamers will be streamers though, nothing you can do about it.

>>103193083
I wouldn't really fuck a stranger woman I just met after getting drunk. but there are countless instances of pathetic men preying on girls under the influence or do you not believe that happens too? roofied drinks?
>given sole custody to the woman
I would NOT wanna change diapers, feed them or coax them to sleep at 2 am. I remember visiting my married sister after she had a child and oh god. I'd rather just make money and pay then do the child rearing by myself. but that's just me tho
>debt slave for 18 years to life against his will
I mean if that's your child too no? you can't just generate babies out of thin air inside her pussy
Raising your voice being domestic abuse is pretty crazy ngl

>>103191703

^
Oh fuck off. I actually broadly agree with you but crawling to fucking chatGPT is trolling. Get out with that

>>103193180
ok AI slop tism-kun
i would've genuinely complimented u if it wasn't for the obv ai slopost

>>103193473
You're making a lot of excuses for dogshit laws that lopsidedly favor one gender.

>>103193630
you do you bruvver

the whole parasocial fucks thing was aimed at female fans of male vtubers

>>103193473
Yeah I'm very glad the coked out dopefiend mother who blows all the child support money on her addiction gets the children over a man with a stable job and a place to live.

You outed yourself sister.

>>103194263
Anything is better than what men do to children

>>103191992

>>103194354
go back to crystal cafe no man will ever want you just as no woman will ever want me and at this point im fine with that

>>103194354
>no longer pretending
lmao

>>103194381
Okay can you write stuff in your own words or has grok and chatgpt completely replaced your mind already?

>>103194381
>woman gooner is a sad traumatic victim please pity her
>man gooner is evil and disgusting deserving of death
thanks anon very cool

>>103193614
I tried to make it obvious. I asked GPT why they both read the other as male, because I'm ESL and both posts seemed pretty neutral to me stylistically. I found the answer interesting enough to share, but since I'm ESL, writing English text is painful and I usually spend more time on it than I should.
>>103194453
> Okay can you write stuff in your own words or has grok and chatgpt completely replaced your mind already?
So, writing in English is painful. But I had some thoughts, and I dumped them into GPT (771 characters in my native language) to get some comments. It structured it nicely and added some details I hadn’t thought about. So I asked for a short English version of the text, and it took me a couple of attempts to make it worth posting. If I had to rewrite all of that as my own text, it would take so much time it wouldn’t be worth replying at all. Just like this reply, yes.
>>103194486
>>woman gooner is a sad traumatic victim please pity her
>>man gooner is evil and disgusting deserving of death
Where did you get all of that from?

>>103194407
i would like to apologize for being too harsh. im sorry.

Yes

>>103175629
Maybe i forgot to say in the post but I dont watch hololive or holostars anymore. I watch a different corpo.

>>103198929
Which corpo abd which girls from it?

and*

>>103194263
>>103194446
>disagrees
>s-sister
retards kek
this not me >>103194354

>>103152012
Nah, females bitch, scream,cry and moan but only males have done deranged ass shit like actual stabbings or cuttings on idol girls, find me way more reports of females doing that to males and i'll conceed.

>>103164843
>how there are viewers that treat streams as their safe spaces from all the shit that goes in their daily life
That is quite literally not their problem.
If you walk into a dave and buster's looking for a quiet place to read your book, you're the retard.

>>103199319
All I will say is my oshi is my little sister and she does adult content, and I love all her friends in the corpo.

>>103202171
It isn't, but anyone outright ignoring or being aggressively against such people due to personal agendas just shows how much they deserve being small third rate streamer that will never make it big. An entertainer that is incapable of connecting with their audience, recognising opportunities, and have the empathy to respond appropriately deserves to die in obscurity.

>>103181980

>Average sister: Me and 100 other women have worked tirelessly for months to ruin his life, destroy his reputation and end his carteer but we should also acid attack the girl he collabed with

Based, honestly. These prostitutes need to learn that there are consequences for victimizing your audience.

>>103202069
I feel like the average female is more deranged, but the most deranged people are usually male, not just for Vtubing but in general. Which is why on the whole women are more emotional and sociopathic but the vast majority of criminals are male.

>>103207048
>how much they deserve being small third rate streamer that will never make it big.
Yeah sure. That's not the issue here.
The problem is when these "fans" shop around and start projecting their principles on everybody without anyone's consent.
If you find a chuuba who you don't like, then just leave. It's that simple.

>>103208183
Fair enough, I disagree with people indiscriminately placing expectations on anyone that isn't explicitly their oshi as well. That said, I'm speaking more about the people who watch their favorites play games as part of a routine, and when said favorite is tone deaf enough to ignore all that and intentionally jump into yabs, or suddenly go on political rants or whatever

>>103208866
at that point it's on them to leave tbdesu.
If your streamer isn't making you happy, there's no reason to keep watching them.

>>103208951
Sure, I just lament that it is a far more common happening than one would think, and that some people actively try to destroy that peace out of spite.

>>103209467
Yeah, it's really sad.
People need to realize that they can't just force themselves to like something. That's how bitterness starts and you can naturally go from a fan to an anti from all of the build up.

>>103151899 (OP)
as long as shes not flirting with him i don't really care

This is one of the most serious and depressing threads in this board I have the displeasure to read in a long while. There really is no hope for male vtubers.

>>103210008
???

>>103164843
at the end of day, chuuba are people and if they are disinterested in keeping kayfabe or maintaining certain fansa that is their prerogative. im not interested in harassing or seething at talents who won't even change - its not productive or healthy for either side. it is just best to move on and view it like a quiet dream.
>>103170260
it was the best for every party that i changed the way i did. i am much happier now and interact with my hobbies more healthily. that said mea still pisses me off and i would flay her given the opportunity.
>>103171660
1. i watched roberu from the very beginning - from his genuinely disastrous and horrible debut stream. he was genuinely trying to be an idol and his kayfabe was being a bartender you could come home to and rant about your problems to at the end of a hard work day. he was not BFE or anything - i do not like or watch that content - but he was always very considerate of his fans, his idol reps, and his kayfabe. this stopped when he got in with mea.
2. as you said, it was common for him to meet with lots of different chuuba from different groups - many of them women. even the ones that got a bit flirty i enjoyed (such as when kuku did the onee san voice and got him flustered, such a kino stream lol). it was not the fact that he was meeting people that was the issue.
3. i dislike mea, intensely, for being a disgusting talentless burikko who influences talents to be less and less respectful of kayfabe and fans, which is an illness persistent in this industry more and more. it has become much worse since it expanded to the west and she revels in it. she loves causing drama. she loves separating streamers from their communities and getting power from anti hate. she sucks at games, her personality is shit, she is a messy hoarder and is all around a nasty person. i dislike women like this intensely and i hope she gets everything that's coming to her and more. i would not have minded if they only met once in a while, or if she was one of many in rotation. i would not have even minded if roberu got close and made consistent collabs with someone like kuku, the VOMS crew, his irl streamer friends. I would not have even minded if he and polka finally broke kayfabe and acknowledged each other in the holoverse after working together so closely before. But Mea is a completely different beast, and she needs to be put in a fucking cage.

Let's be frank
3y on, the Vesper x Kronii collab still casts a huge shadow over what people expect from a Holo x Star collab.
That collab was funny, bar none, and earned the Stars a lot of good will.
And the worst thing is, people really hold it up not just as the Gold stard BUT ALSO what they think MIGHT happen if their fav girls and boys collab with each other.
I watched a few of those Shiori x Homo collabs. They are boring as hell. Same for the ones with Liz.
But beggars will keep pushing for more because they still hoping to struck gold again.

>>103151899 (OP)
>Do femanons get upset when the boys stream with girls?
The Vtuber medium is entirely different from normal livestreaming because Vtubers are DESIGNED from the get go to be attractive.
Even more so when it's marketed at people who already prefer the anime aesthetics.
If you look into non-vtuber streamers who are considered attractive, you'll find all sorts of similar cases of unicorns/gooners too

>>103191746
>birth control
they grew up doing one. what's one more

>>103202069
Sasaeng fans are so prevelant a term was made for them. They might not go as far as the worst men, but there are far, far more of them.