Honestly, Henya and the rest of the VShojo family could easily be on the hook for at least negligent misrepresentation.
They were out there hyping up merch that turned out to be fake, which is basically false advertising. And let's be real, they didn’t bother doing their due diligence before shilling it.
What’s worse is how long it took them to respond. It supposedly took them several months to a year to realize they were part of a scam, which sounds more like they were turning a blind eye than actually being clueless.

>>103177043 (OP)
they were all in on it anon

>>103177043 (OP)
just watch the vkek jannies sweep this under the rug, too

>>103177043 (OP)
you're going to jail gunrun

>>103177043 (OP)
>Willful ignorance does not constitute a valid defense
It often does though

>>103178110
Not in this case.
They faced repeated complaints about major delays and unfulfilled orders across multiple merch lines. If they ignored clear red flags, that’s textbook negligence even if it wasn’t intentional or they didn’t grasp the full scope of the logistics failure.

>>103177043 (OP)
>Henya and the rest of the VShojo family could easily be on the hook for at least negligent misrepresentation.

I doubt it. The talents themselves weren't personally taking the money. Nor were they paid for any of the merch.
The courts are gonna follow the money. And it won't be the talents that it went to. The talents will most likely be fine unless they got paid... maybe Melody since she was fucking/dating the COO. Melody most likely got paid unlike the other talents.

Those that got paid and whoever the money went to will get in trouble. Like gunrun, the employees and COO that left. They are all in hot water. Even more crazy is that they refuse to file for bankrupcy. They purposely holding onto Mouse's songs as if they have owneship of all of it. Meanwhile all the talents HAVE to pay taxes on all the money that they are still owed by Vshojo since they haven't filed for bankrupcy yet.

>>103178858
what's the source on your last three sentences? I didn't think they were allowed to talk about all of that yet but I want to hear it if they have

>>103177270
fpbp
Vshojo whores finally pulled the rug on their suckers

>>103178858
>The courts are gonna follow the money.
That’s not how it works, especially in this situation.
Maybe they were in the dark at first, but once they knew and kept quiet or stayed involved, they became part of the issue.
Even if they were misled too, promoting fake merch still puts legal responsibility on them.
If they weren’t lying, their biggest mistake was doing nothing, especially since this went on for months and plenty of people were complaining about bad or missing orders.

>>103179230
SEA laws don't work here anon

>>103178858
>The talents themselves weren't personally taking the money.
What about Mel, she was being paid as usual, and her bf partner in crime too.

>>103177043 (OP)
>negligent misrepresentation.
Why are you just making shit up, anon?

>>103177043 (OP)
Where is the money MTD?

xitter trannies hard at work

I don't care, I never liked Vshojo, and I am so happy when I heard they are finished.
Good riddance.
And to the vshojo fans and supporters, serve you right LMAO

>>103179806
Seems like you actually care a lot about vshojo's downfall, but good for you

>>103179381
>What about the one example that clearly is not getting the same treatment and it’s not in the same position, validating my schizo.
MTD you are going to jail if you keep stuiking around /here/, this place is far from glowie free.

>>103177885
You mean like the previous suspiciously deleted Henya thread? Surely not.

>>103177885
Exactly. Remember that Ironmouse doxx thread a few days back that stayed up for 8 or something hours? Jannies only started deleting comments, and then later the entire thread, when people started accusing her of stealing the charity money. Bizarre behaviour.

>>103177043 (OP)
>>103177270
>>103179160
If holo did this you would be defending them. Your opinions on this matter are irrelevant.

>>103180415
This.

>>103178858
>Meanwhile all the talents HAVE to pay taxes on all the money that they are still owed
You don't have to pay taxes on money you never received. You can declare money you are owed, but you don't owe taxes on it unless you do so, or have actually received it. Also while you can declare some money when you are owed it, and some money when you received it, such as to manipulate your tax bracket at the end of the year, you should stick to one method or the other. Doing that kind of thing is a potentially dangerous accounting trick.

Though maybe the laws are different where you live.

>yes, they willingly wanted to not get paid because... uhh... IM IS FAKING IT!
Next time on ChatGPT Lawyer

Just following orders dayo

You've been spending the last 48 hours and several threads desperately trying to blame Henya for something she had zero control over, and is currently telling everyone to chargeback the money, even giving advice on how to make your case more successful by attempting to contact Vshojo first, knowing they won't respond. Deeply bizarre behavior. I certainly hope you are MTD at this point, because otherwise you're just embarrassing yourself for no good reason.

>>103181105
>for something she had zero control over
I dont think she should go to jail or whatever, but she did join Vshoujo and she did tell her fans they could trust Vshoujo with their money.

>>103177043 (OP)
they didn't really benefited from this at that point. You can argue they're benefiting from this now, milking the controversy and virtue signaling, but it's not like they've schemed for their corpo to fail to use it to their benefit

>>103181105
Nobody’s out here begging for her to get locked up, but let’s not pretend she had nothing to do with it. Telling fans to go cry to their banks is a lazy, shitty excuse. She was neck-deep in vshojo and vouched for it nonstop, so don’t act like she’s some innocent bystander. If she had any self-awareness, she’d own the mess she helped sell. Flashing her pussy for her fans would honestly be the least she could do after all that.

>>103181226
It’s not about whether they personally profited. This is about people who got scammed out of their money and the need to take responsibility for the damage done. Staying silent and hoping it all goes away doesn’t fix anything.

>>103177043 (OP)
Nothing will be done unless somebody feels slighted enough to file a lawsuit.
All of this
>Gunrun is going to jail!
is empty threats if the talents don't sue him.
You as a consumer, you should file a suit against Henya perhaps, and then she'll have to deal with it herself, or in turn force her to file a suit against Gunrun.

>>103181354
>file a lawsuit
Someone finally gets it.
Reporting this should be the first step. The problem is, there’s no transparency around the situation. We have no idea what they’re planning or how they’re handling it.

>>103178858
>Meanwhile all the talents HAVE to pay taxes on all the money that they are still owed by Vshojo
This is retarded. Why would you pay taxes on money you haven't even received? No, that's not a thing.

>>103180415
obsessed

>>103181463
It is retarded. That dude’s a paid shill.
It’s not about jail time yet. It’s about the fans who got scammed and they should be the main focus. If the talents still care at all, they need to own up and help fix this mess.

>>103180415
If Hololive had scammed us and the talents just shrugged it off and shifted the blame around, I’d tear them apart too. But we know they wouldn’t pull that crap. When their concert had issues, even though it wasn’t their fault, they gave full refunds and made the whole thing free. They took the hit so fans wouldn’t get screwed over.
Vshojo, on the other hand, is doing the exact opposite. The management is corrupt, no doubt, but the talents keep washing their hands instead of owning up and helping the fans who got completely screwed over by merch they helped promote.

>>103178897
>what's the source on your last three sentences?

Mouse herself had said it in her streams and vshojo is holding all her old music hostage. And her lawyers are working on that.

Kson herself said had to pay taxes on money she hasn't gotten yet as if she was paid. Legal Mindset said she will get that back only AFTER Vshojo files for bankrupcy... but nobody knows why they haven't done so yet.

>>103181463
>Why would you pay taxes on money you haven't even received?

because it's still reported to the government that's how much she made. Better to pay now then have IRS come after you.

She will get that back only after vshojo files for bankrupcy and then she can claim she wasn't paid. So for now, it's better than dealing with IRS bullshit.

>>103181654
>That dude’s a paid shill.

LOL. As if vshojo has money to pay for any more shills. They so broke that they had to steal from charities.

>>103177043 (OP)

>>103177043 (OP)
ProjektMelody
Ironmouse
Kson
SilverVale
Henya
Zenntreya
Veibae

And many others deserved to be complicit with Gunrun no matter their defense. They were part of a pyramid scheme that most corporations use to subjugate the market of Vtubers disallowing Indies to become known / well known and often being the ones looked at being the pillars of community when in all actuality they were the true harm in the end of it all. Telling people lies time and time again as a matter of fact V-Tubing IS BASED ON LIES AND DECEITS.

So in the end Twitch & Youtube is also complicit in hosting these programs which harmed and socially manipulated others to become a tribalistic hobby rather than a fruitful career for all.

>>103180415
That won’t hold up in court

>>103177043 (OP)
this line of reasoning is a waste of time because the vtuber community will never hold any vtuber accountable for any kind of wrongdoing unless a vtuber of higher stature calls them out on it and no vtuber cares about simps getting fleeced (daily occurrence)

>>103177043 (OP)
>>103182452
> the vtuber community will never hold any vtuber accountable for any kind of wrongdoing

I think it's because most people have enough common sense to not blame the talents. They blame the corpo that stole the money.

Somehow you faggots are all blaming the talents when even the talents didn't get paid.

Schizo, vshojo is dead, move on.

>>103179929
>>103179985
I'm noooooooooticing

>>103180415
>If holo did this
except Holo always did the right thing in similar situations, unlike your shit DEAD corpo

>>103182656
Please don’t post if you’re not going to contribute to the discussion.

>>103185231
vshojo is dead, you can stop now.

the image of innocent kettle I had of her as Pikamee got completely shattered
Now I wish I never watched in the first place

>>103181287
Vshojo took the money, Talents didn't get their cut (and haven't been getting their cut), VShojo goes under
>"Why won't the talents refund people?"
Imagine working as a floor associate for Sears and having people blame you for their order they placed not being fulfilled when the branch went under. Like you lost your job, they stiffed you on your last paycheck, customers are blaming you, and you already told them how they can get their money back.
From what Geega is saying they can't even provide a list of people who bought stuff or an inventory of what merch they still have. For Henya's merch every order, up to the bunny stuff, was fulfilled, just slowly, and their was no indication that new orders wouldn't be fulfilled (VShojo posted in Jan about swapping merch providers to get stuff out faster). There's literally nothing the talents can do now but continue to push the company to provide something (order info, sell already manufactured merch to them, etc), and from what they're all saying VShojo is radio silent. People forget they joined VShojo so they didn't have to manage or worry about this stuff and the company would handle it. They didn't know about issues like this by design, it's why they let VShojo take a cut (Apparently all of it), they were supposed to handle it.

And people are acting like a chargeback is hard. It's easier than getting a refund from literally any company. There won't be a class action lawsuit because you have the opportunity to remedy your losses (with truly minimal effort) and are just choosing not to. No damages, no lawsuit. Posting here is more effort than it'll take fans to get their money back, if you can't figure it out it's just a tax for you being stupid I guess.

>>103179806
But VShojo fans literally did not care about the company
All of their streamers are still here so nothing has changed for them

>>103181354
They are probably in the process of preparing a class-action