Guys I don't think gunrun was evil or anything, he was just bad at business. Trust me, I know the guy.

>>103214987 (OP)
to be fair to the guy he was co founder of twitch a streaming site that supposely never made any money and only bleed money since amazon uses it as a tax write off

>>103215108
no he wasn't

I believe this. GunRun was an idealistic moron with no idea how to run a business, especially one with a model that doesn't work to make profit for the company.
MTD the creepy racist cokehead was malicious and blowing company money on shit he wanted, however.

>>103215153
all of them were bad in different ways

>>103215153
MTD is a sexpest, but the actual financial menace was Apek, who intentionally stayed behind the scenes for obvious reasons now. Immediately deleted his online presence when that video was uploaded btw.

>>103215153
telling your talent they are a disappointment as they are getting threatened by trannies is malicious, I really dont think he was just an idealistic moron, he's clearly a shit person like most CEO's. Too bad he wont get held accountable by people who know him.

>>103215226
Silver was a disappointment for trying to be a bad bitch and ignoring the warning to not do exactly what she did because it would cause the exact result that it did only to go crying about it

>>103215256
t. tranny

>>103215470
>"dont stick your dick in that wasp nest"
>silver: i'm too cozy to get stung by wasps *whips out dick*
>silver: oh fuck this hurts waah
I'd be disappointed too

Just the "had Hololive live rent free in his head and ran astroturfing campaigns against it on 4chinz" makes me not believe this.

>>103216550
Keep in mind
1. Vei is the one who said that and she also shit talked Hololive before she even joined Vshojo.
2. She didn't claim that Vshojo had astroturfing campaigns on 4chan but that MTD personally was shit talking her on /vsj+/
Considering that Vshojo never had a big presence on 4chan I kind of doubt they actually had a real shill army that some claim they had.
3. Gunrun was the CEO but today Mouse kind of implied he was more of a puppet. That would align with Geega's tweet where she calls Gunrun out for not really participating in meetings and MTD for playing games and wasting staff's time during it. So considering all these facts, it's highly likely that Apek was the effective decision maker in the company. He was responsible for contracts, finances etc.
4. Before you accuse me of defending Gunrun; I think he is a failure and he is ultimately responsible for letting everyone down. But in my personal opinion Vei is exaggerating (just like she and her boyfriend are coping when they think Vei hate is only from paid shills), I don't think Gunrun had a huge hate boner for Hololive, he probably liked it to some degree considering he even went to see the dodgers x holo collab.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Where is the money?

>>103216550
>ran astroturfing campaigns against it on 4chinz
This part is your schizophrenia tho, noone said that.

>>103216860
Vei's just still salty that she was asked to maybe not say retard all the time.

>>103216860
You're to same to be here. Gunrun personally hired brownfeet, Marineschizo and outfit schizo to name a few.

>>103217071
*too sane

>>103216860
Gunrun was a puppet in the same way Sean Bankman-fried was just a “puppet.”

>>103214987 (OP)
>''Project Melody is blowing me under the table right now, trust me''

>>103214987 (OP)
LeDiddy sucks

>>103215558
Is it my turn now to call VShojofags bootlickers?

>>103217561
Vshojofags don't exist anymore retard

>>103217721
>ex-vshojofaggots
Is that better?

>>103217764
indieCHADs

>>103217783
Are you telling me indiechads would defend gunrun?

>>103217801
nobody is defending gunrun you fucking esl retard

>>103217764
>>103217801
ex vshojofags hate Vshojo and Gunrun more than you ever could.
That doesn't mean Silver wasn't dumb as fuck for expecting to not get harassed by the twitter freaks who were already on a rampage.
Even without vshojo ever existing she would have received harassment for playing the game, you understand that right? Not that I condone the harassment itself but if you want to go into the kitchen you need to be able to handle the heat.

>>103217909
Would you say that what Coco did with the Taiwan yab is partially her fault too?

>>103216860
>"guys vei talked shit about holo once... you gotta be on our side with this man"
You vshojofags should all be publicly executed and genocided for all the shit you've been doing on this board for the past few years.

>>103215558
>she deserved it! look at the skirt she was wearing!
leftoids have regressed

>>103218048
The difference is that Coco didn't actually do anything more than show metrics, which happened to separate Taiwan. There was no precedent an average person would know about in advance and nobody could reasonably warn her.

>>103216911
Are you even trying?

>>103218228
Are you? It is true

>>103217909
So what, we are supposed to forget how they were deepthroating his asshole for 5 years? Not happening retard

>>103218225
Nope, she did it to cover Haachama, who did the same thing and was getting a lot of shit from the chinese nationalists.
Maybe the motivations were different, but ultimately, following your logic, Coco was partially to blame for what she did.
Now imagine that YAGOO personally would call her a disappointment. How would you feel about that?
Cover at least put out a statement, as flawed as it was.

>>103218354
>Coco was partially to blame for what she did
She was though? Noone forced her to do it.

>be picrel.
>wanted to do something.
>management was against it because it would negatively impact the company.
>top earner was against it because it would bring drama to her stream.
>other members against it for personal reasons.
>had all of this communicated to them prior to the action.
>did it anyways because she is a selfish dumb cunt trying to get attention.
>cry and play the victim.

Anyone who does anything near equivalent to that in a company would be fired immediately.

>>103218428
So when is Pippa getting terminated?

>>103218411
Fair enough.

>>103218113
I don't care what side you're on and you have my blessing to hate Gunrun as much as you want, he deserves it (and more).

>>103218048
I think Coco was ready to fight for Haachama but just severely underestimated the wasp nest she was about to poke and how much backlash it would cause (far worse than what happened to Haachama) while Silver was made aware of the twitterfreaks but immediately cried when the expected harassment happened. Again, neither of them deserved the harassment imo.

>>103218428
>t. seething troon
silver was based for playing the harry potter. ironmouse is disabled hag. no wonder she simps for bioleninism blob

>>103218470
3 people in phase have already had enough of that shit and are on a "break"
Soon I'd say

>>103218428
you can't be serious, you're trying to justify all the troon harassment for PLAYING A GAME because according to them it's literally genociding them?

>>103218716
Silver is pro tranny too, ESL retard. Silvervale literally still said that she supports trannies after the harassment campaign happened. Also Ironmouse was the only one defending her and publicly said she didn't deserve to get harassed for playing the game.

>>103218354
>she did it to cover Haachama
literal pinkie narrative

>>103218804
i see. i need to revaluate my position and opinions about this situation now.

>>103218320
Go read Vei's tweet, moron

>>103218354
No she woke up at 5am and had no idea what happened the night before. Don't get history lessons from reddit.

>>103218977
You first

>>103218998
Fucking clanker

>>103219030
Can't read?

>>103214987 (OP)
I suppose those who commit murder or rape just have a bit of a temper and/or poor impulse control.
funny how thousands of businesses manage to file for bankruptcy every year without committing embezzlement.

>>103218795
I didn't justify anything of the like.
I am explaining reality you are an emotionally retarded schizo hugging your personal bias'.
Anyone who pulls shit like that in a company deserves to be fired.
She put herself ahead of the company after being asked not to and caused fallout not just for herself but her coworkers and company.
Then she through all of those people under the bus because they didn't defend her hard enough for the actions they warned her against taking.
That is deranged narcissistic behavior and people defending it are subhuman what happened to her because of it is irrelevant to her own actions.

>>103217561
They always were.

>>103218990
It's all a coincidence that two talents decided to show YouTube demographics?

>>103219217
they were doing it because of the canadian vs american supa war on mori's streams
newfag /#/tard

>>103219315
why did Haachama say she blames herself for Coco's graduation? if it was all completely unrelated?

>>103219083
https://x.com/Veibae/status/1948509619543822703?t=bcEKngGCtVFtF3mREW6LUg&s=19
>they would ALWAYS shit talk other vtuber agencies. they literally would spend company money to get a tiny dig at them. especially hololive, it literally lived rentfree in gunruns head. they were convinced hololive was over when they signed kson and nazuna
>especially hololive

>>103218428
>wanted to do something
Keep in mind that "something" was playing a fucking video game.

>>103219706
Cool, where's
>ran astroturfing campaigns against it on 4chinz
?

>>103219753
>their COO has begun to push a narrative on 4chan (yes im serious lmfao) and other social media
Click the link vshojofag. You will hang from a rope soon enough

>>103219706
She's talking about the dumb talent freedom ad campaign in japan. Watch Aethel's stream a week or so ago.

>>103219585
because she did it at the same time which allowed for the creation of the retarded narrative you and your sinoid friends are peddling

>>103219790
NTA but if they were willing to push narratives on 4chan that their own talents that left and lazy whores, than shit talking other vtuber agencies is not a far fetched idea. If we take into consideration that hololive lived rent free in gunrun's dead, as Veibae states.

>>103219789
post the full sentence you disingenuous retard
>their COO has begun to push a narrative on 4chan (yes im serious lmfao) and other social media ....that i am leaving because i plan to join OTK and that both me and silvervale are troublemakers

>>103219789
>COO was shittalking Vei on 4chan
Cool, where is Gunrun running astroturfing campaigns against Hololive on 4chinz?

>>103219878
>- they would ALWAYS shit talk other vtuber agencies. they literally would spend company money to get a tiny dig at them. especially hololive, it literally lived rentfree in gunruns head. they were convinced hololive was over when they signed kson and nazuna.

>>103219899
Cool, where is Gunrun running astroturfing campaigns against Hololive on 4chinz?
Are actually retarded?

>Well you see they are known to attack people and damage control on 4chan
>NOT AGAINST HOLOLIVE THOUGH ;^) they love hololive! uhhh them attacking hololive whenever they can...? they only did it on twitter though!! not 4chan!!

>>103219853
It was just MTD, not a fucking huge shill army according to Vei's post. That's all I'm saying.

>>103219929
Concession accepted

ITT retards playing semantics games to defend some corpo faggots that they themselves say they hate.
What's the goal here, retards?

>>103220038
The goal is to desperately try and turn people on the vtubers that shat on vshojo from the start. Note how they also defend him from the very fist reply

>>103214987 (OP)
>Gunrun tried to poach Saba
>Offered Saba 1M just by signing a contract
>Vshojo doesnt have the money but the IDF funds is there
>hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>103219217
Yea pretty much. Both Haato and Coco got viewer messages asking about it.
>>103219585
Because if Haato didn't stream that night, nobody would have given a shit about Coco. They only cared because they were able to create the narrative that you are pushing here. A half dozen other Hololive talents had China yabs previously and nobody cares because they appeared to be completely random.
>but that's not rational
Survivor's guilt never is.

>>103220038
The goal is to prevent faggots spreading rrats based on their delusions as if it's a proven fact. Doesn't matter what it is about.

>>103220219
Who cares what a bunch of faggots who steal charity money do?
If they were willing to invest money to take a dig a vtuber agencies, them doing it for free on 4chan is not some hard to believe rrat.

>>103220097
How is that the goal when I side with those vtubers now? Vshojo fucking sucked for all of them.

You know, there is actually one thing that bothers me about everything. Remember how I think one Vhoejo straight up said that Gunrun hired shills to push narratives in 4chan? With how hellbent he is on making sure no one gets his money they earned for him, there's no way the shills are getting paid, yet none of them have come forward about being paid shills. It's like, come on, I figured someone would eventually talk about what it was like being a presumably paid shill.

>>103220288
have you considered that some people might want to narrow down who exactly stole the charity money so they can be mad at the right guy?

>>103220219
>please dont be mean to my owner gunrun :/ it was IRONMOUSE and SILVERVALE that were the bad ones in vshojo not him
Then why are you posting this in this thread?

>>103220347
no apek and mtd were the bad ones you clueless moron.

>>103220319
Anon vshojo is not fully dissolve yet
Theyre still in the process of bankruptcy

Yes Bae and some said things but the nukes are still there waiting for the full end of vshojo

>>103220365
You didn't answer my question.
Why are you religiously defending Gunrun and attacking former vshojo vtubers?

Dont bother answering if you are going to deflect

>>103220346
We KNOW who stole it. Gunrun, the stupid motherfucker, admitted to it in his tweet.

>>103220288
>Who cares what a bunch of faggots who steal charity money do?
Idk, i don't. I just hate retards pushing something that "is some hard to believe" as a fact. And they do it all the time from "Ollie fingering incident" to "Kotoka the vampire slayer" and, fuck, even the "grand unifying rrat".
>>103220347
>Why don't you let me spread bullshit in peace?
Because I'm bored and why not. See above.

>>103220393
saying that gunrun is a negligent retard is not defending him.
>>103220404
there is no evidence that gunrun wrote that tweet. gun vanished a while ago and none of the talent have been able to speak to him.

>he is still choking on his cock
Jesus christ

>>103220513
deflecting won't save you mtd

>>103220346
>he actually believes the "we randomly found 500K$ in our bank accounts and thought it was a miracle from God" lie that Gunrun said
How gullible can a person be?

>>103220456
>there is no evidence that gunrun wrote that tweet
Literally could be said about every tweet ever made. Logins can be given out or accounts could be hacked.

>>103220552
>don't look at the dog behind the curtain. it's all gun trust me bro.
>>103220575
yea duh that's why you don't trust tweets you idiot

I don't think he was "evil" in the sense that the company was started with the intent to do wrong and the owners were tenting their fingers like supervillains or something. But that's not how most "evil" in the world happens - it happens when regular-ass people are put under pressure and/or tested, and they opt for what is easier or less painful for them over what is right. When your business is failing and in the red, taking money that isn't yours - and maybe even telling yourself you'll pay it back once things have recovered to justify it - is an attractive option.

Of course, the unspoken and inconvenient reality here is that if a lot of the people currently gleefully (and rightly) shitting all over Gunrun and the company were put under the same pressure, they would probably do the same thing.

>>103220607
Going by that logic Vei never shittalked Vshojo either so why are you so intent on attacking her and desperately trying to turn people against her?

>>103220456
>there is no evidence that gunrun wrote that tweet

>>103220609
Can you stop Fucking posting your fucking diary???
Cant you just post a small sentence the size of your penis?

>>103220641
i watched vei talk about it on stream. maybe you should try that some time. it's fun. not vei, i meant streams.
>>103220642
did you know i used to be the president?

-Barack Obama (Anonymous)

>>103220679
Do you have access to Obama's accounts, retard?

>>103220701
no i hired a guy to manage them. i'm rich. i only have access to my espn account so i can watch basketball.

>still deflecting and trying to derail about random shit
I hope you are getting paid more than Ironmouse to do this

>>103220732
Keep licking those boots lmao

>>103220809
keep seething about gunrun, maybe nobody else will notice you used company money to buy your house despite not doing any work.

>>103220843
What the fuck are you talking about, schizo LMAO

tfw gunrun and his mates are fighting in a catalog thread

Why is suddenly every person in vshojo a "good guy" when we have so much proof that everyone, including the vtubers are all pieces of shit?

>>103221862
>we have so much proof
because you don't

>>103221862
remember that time hololive hired an underage girl then fired her because she got raped

>>103222422

>>103222422
Mel wasn't the underage one retard, that was Haachama. And she didn't get raped either.
Now here's an interesting fact, VShojo's COO was being a sex pest to the VShojo girls and they still didn't fire him.

>>103222422
No?

>>103222136
still waiting

>>103222635
>they still didn't fire him.
because it was likely a quid pro quo. these chicks were sleeping with the managers to get a leg up in the industry. now the company is no longer, they come out with the knives.

>>103214987 (OP)
what does atrioc have to do with all this

where's the money

>>103226384
Guessing he said that on his podcast (idk I don't listen to it), glizzy.

>>103215153
>using racist like it's a bad thing
Go away

>>103214987 (OP)
so because Vshojo went under they just get to not pay back all the money they took/owe?

>>103227422
>he thinks being racist is cool
You are beyond cringe.
Go back to /pol/, faggot.

>>103227610
It's not "cool" it's just not a bad thing anymore.

Did melody move to Japan to avoid legal trouble?

>>103214987 (OP)
Just as innocent as Riku.
Fans will defend them to the end.
Many just because they don't ever want to admit being wrong.

But actions, not words, show who a person truly is.

>>103226384
he knows gunrun personally and is giving him the benefit of the doubt, really only conceding that the business was bad and poorly run. He didn't touch on the charity money stuff or anything else, shich says to me that he is being lenient on his friend, or doesnt know about it (in which case he should just keep his mouth shut if he isnt going to put in effor to research whats going on). These are things that he would criticize anyone else for, hence why its frustrating and shitty.

>>103218048
>Would you say that what Coco did with the Taiwan yab is partially her fault too?
In the most LITERAL sense, yes since the inciting indecent is an action she took
The more nuanced answer is that Coco's situation is far more sympathetic because had ZERO clue that showing "Taiwan" on her superchat metrics would cause such a massive blowback and if she had any level of foresight then she probably wouldn't have done it.
Sliver on the other hand is far less sympathetic because anyone who used twitter could see the outrage campaign and how streamers who played that game were getting embroiled in a shit storm, Sliver could 100% see it, Vshojo's brass could see it; which why they advised her to not play the game. But then she just did it anyways which is fine in a vacuum, but then she tired to make the ensuing harassment campaign which everyone knew would happen, the rest of Vshojo's problem as if they literally didn't tell her this was going happen, which makes her look a massive retard. In contrast Coco basically isolated herself (along with Haachama) from the rest of Holo and the only people who interacted with her like a solid 8 months were people went out of their way to do so like Fubuki, Flare or Suisei
And before you try to strawman me I'm not saying either of them deserved it, I'm saying the difference between Coco vs Sliver is accidentally stepping on a landmine that's buried in the dirt vs willingly pulling the pin off a grenade and holding in your hand it till it blows up

>>103232501
The reason why the chinks got so mad is because when they pointed it out she completely ignored them
Still not really her "fault" but it wasn't like she was oblivious

>>103218470
Contrary to what Phasefags tell you, the company would implode withing less than a year if Pippa left so they keep her around and emphasize the tight leash she's got.

>>103214987 (OP)
Can we just remove MTD pls? He’s more retarded than the schizos posting this shit dailty.

>>103216860
>Maybe there are no paid shills here
Ok, you proved me there are paid shills /here/, thanks.

>>103218048
Coco was blindsided, it was stupid but not that stupid