No Geega you will not convince indies to flip their morals to support the gambling-powered and Somali-birthplace website

>>103217252 (OP)
Obama is from Kenya not Somalia.

>>103217252 (OP)

>>103217299
https://files.catbox.moe/3sxarc.mp4

>>103217286
I'm talking about Jonny Somali, the nigga that ragebaited Japan and Korea and spawned the generation of ragebaiting vloggers in Kick

>Geega being a moron yet again
What a surprise...

>>103217252 (OP)
I expect that if Kick got to a similar size to Twitch it would see increasing opposition, and likely legal issues. It doesn't seem like a safe place to build up a fanbase, because of that and other reasons.

>>103217322
Not a good judge of character, is she?

>>103217252 (OP)
>They still fail for scams
Women...

>>103217568
>>103217417
But her model looks tired angry and smug that means she cant be wrong and she talks with confidence!

>>103217252 (OP)
Sooner or later these ex-corpos will realize that freedom does not equate money and there is no such thing as clean money. If your company suspiciously gives you too much revenue without asking how they earn profit themselves then you set yourself in either a soon-dead company or a shady money laundering one that got backed by the Saudis

Also funny how these so-called indies want corpos to go bankrupt by giving them big money split to be validated as "good company" from them when they can simply stay as indies if they want to own 100% of their revenue

>>103217594
Vshojo played it wrong too. Like the first time they lost some talents they probably realized that they need a bigger cut to be profitable.
Instead of talking with the talents and making a compromise to get a bigger cut, they sneakily changed the contract terms.
And now, again they hid everything from them and thought they could keep this hidden from the talents, not giving them their cut. They were retarded beyond belief, I'm sure a bunch of them would be willing to help them and try to keep the company floating and if not then it's time to go out with some dignity and bankrupt the company.

>its another GeegaSoftware pretends to be an expert on every topic ever episode

>>103217844
The PirateSoftware of vtubers

>>103217740
I think they did not even try to run a business. They tried to expand as much as possible and grab a second round of funding, and maybe after that turning it into a profitable company.
You know, once you have a brand established, its easy to pump out merch.
But you are 100% right about them not taking a proper cut and potentially overcorrecting in the most scummy way.

>>103217740
VShojo is a retard for lying about it. I'm guessing they are scared that Mousey will quit when they raised their split percentage, but like you still have other members who were willing to go down with VShojo ship like the ex-Nijis and JP branch. Why go out of your way to lie and even desperate enough to steal Mousey charity money, which caused everyone to leave because no sane member would stay after they did that?

Had it not been for Mousey's video, other members would still be clueless about their late payments and all the bad shit that they did would still be safe from the public. Sure they may lose the mouse, but at least they could have saved everything else and not burnt all of them to the ground

>>103217252 (OP)
can you say nigger on kick?

>>103218195
You can say whatever as long as it's not illegal

>>103217322

>>103218092
A lot of members already knew about the late payments, like kson, who said she was about to leave them at the end of the month, but after Ironmouse's video she decided she would leave that day.

>>103218306
then why does it auto-moderate you

kick also pays better

>>103217568
Kick is not a scam per se. They only care about making teenagers and young impressionable men into gambling addicts. The streaming part is secondary and cost peanuts for the size of their operation.

>>103218384
But the problem is that not all of them are in VShojo for the money. Most were in because of the talent freedom propaganda, and money was just a bonus for some of them. Hell I used to not see Melody, the recent members, ex-Nijis and the JP branch would leave, but because of Mousey, they MUST leave. There was no reason to stay in the company who stole charity money

>>103218390
Streamers can auto filter words

>>103218501
True, I guess everything at that point could be attributed to incompetence, but taking money from charity turned it into malice.

>>103217252 (OP)
the piratesoftware from vtubing.

>>103217367
I think he's a US citizen. Believe it or not.

>>103218621
>malice
Has everything to do with intent and here you're implying mustache-twirling evil, e.g. they stole the money so it wouldn't go to charity or so that it would hurt the vtuber. I have no dog in this fight, I am telling you for your benefit.

>>103218686
He is from Arizona.

>>103218704
>intentional
Yeah, maybe that's a better word.
Tho from the talent's point of view they might as well be mustache twirling evil.

>>103217252 (OP)
There's a reason everyone calls her the female Pirate Software
https://youtu.be/noNJfGeRuE8

>>103217367
>Ragebaiting
it's nuisance

>>103218686
Not only is he a born and bred American shithead, but his ancestry isn't even Somali

>>103217594
I will have you know that money laundering is a really good gig, both low danger for the type of job it is and guaranteed business

>>103217252 (OP)
>Gambling bad
>Prostitution good

>>103219045
anon, take your meds

>it is reputation
SAAAAAR

>>103217252 (OP)
every time I see this retard she's giving crazy business ""advice"" with absolute confidence

>>103217252 (OP)
She gives off the same energy as the tech gurus of the last decade. No expertise just plain drivel.

Did anyone even watch the video here?

Clickbait title. She said Kick is not sustainable and smaller streamers should take advantage of the extremely generous cuts before going back to twitch or YouTube.

>>103219216
Do you eat shit?

>>103219289
You are the target audience. It worked.

>>103219287
>Clickbait title
True

>She said Kick is not sustainable and smaller streamers should take advantage of the extremely generous cuts before going back to twitch or YouTube
Literally not true. She spoke favorably about the cut, but said that Kick is still suffering from bringing over all the banned edgy streamers from other platforms. And although they're starting to push back against it, much more has to be done. She said she's keeping an eye on it, and at no point does she call it unsustainable

>>103217252 (OP)
they should hire her to turn that business around :^)

>>103219358
Seems.... Like a reasonable take?

>>103219287
>smaller streamers should take advantage of the extremely generous cuts before going back to twitch or YouTube.
As a small streamer you should be building a fanbase on twitch or yt, not trying to cash out their 34 fans on kick while getting 2 new followers a month.

>>103219287
which is also a stupid strategy because the general view of kick is that it's seen as unethical in both the content allowed but it also runs entirely off of money taken from young gambling addicts. if you choose to stream there then that taints your rep, I know people on this website don't give a fuck about that but everybody else does. mouse turned down a seven figure offer from them, look how many other popular vtubers and streamers also declined big money. because they know it's terrible optics and not worth it

Going by that entire Seth clusterfuck her morals are all over the place

>>103219388
>Like a reasonable take?
The cut is literally the most suspicious thing about it. She hasnt learned her lesson from Vshoujos too good to be true pitch

>>103219451
You're still getting paid from kick though.

Ok I watched this stream. She's specifically talking about the GTA RP bubble on Kick. She said the bubble outside there is no man's land and you should not go there.

>>103219451
Kick is paying people that way because the entire thing functions to funnel people to into their online casino partner. There isn't really concern of Kick running out of money and having to steal funds from streamers to keep afloat. The main concerns relate to the potential of their operation being fucked by legislation that forces them to separate from the gambling. If such legislation comes to pass, people should be able to jump ship then.

Geega shut the fuck up the last Vtuber anybody is gonna listen too right now is a former Vshojo the self awareness level of this woman is painful

>>103219831
But anon you don't understand! GeegaSoftware was in ALL those Vshojo business meetings and smartly warned them about their failing corporate strategies! And she also warned them about all the bad apples that weren't doing any work! If only they had listened to her she would have saved them all, because she's so smart and experienced and knowledgeable about all of this!
Just don't ask why she somehow also couldn't foresee the implosion and why none of them supposedly knew or saw anything suspicious for years.

Always do the opposite of what Geega says

>>103219358
I don't need Geega to tell me that Kick is just a ticking time bomb ready to explode when shit hit the fans. Their existence relies on gambling empires, and once the governments and the recent payment processor censorship wave start restricting or outright banning it, Kick will be dead in an instant. Reminder that no one actively watches Kick aside from fans of streamers who got banned on Twitch as their reputation became "the website that allowed scumbags to earn revenue"

Twitch and Youtube may be shitty, but at least they are future-proof with mega tech corpos keeping them alive

>>103219924
>why none of them supposedly knew or saw anything suspicious for years
To be honest? Most of them probably didn't really care all that much about the lack of payment with VShojo only handling and mismanaging money from sponsors or merch they specifically had a hand in. The other income was enough to not give a fuck.
When Geega and then Zen left, the whole thing fell apart with several members saying they made the decision to bounce, too, with my guess being likely because they just didn't see the point in sticking around not getting paid with the indie scene booming. Mouse just threw extra fuel on a house that was already burning down on her way out the door by revealing they mismanaged a fuck ton of charity funds as well as talent payments.

>>103220334
>keeping them alive
entirely true since these all sites are and always have been entirely unprofitable and run at a loss

>>103220339
Gunrun really ran the "talent freedom" term to the ground huh. Promised to be Hololive killer, but instead became Nijisanji but worse because at least Niji makes profit

>>103217844
Did she work at Blizzard too?

>>103217367
Nigga ppl were doing it years before this dude

>>103220462
>Nijisanji but worse
Nijisanji tried to kill someone

>>103220432
There's been several years where both youtube and twitch have been profitable

>>103220829
Johnny's a fag, but zoomers don't know how bad old school IRL streamers really were.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVOo4gDCg1w

>>103220913
Yeah, meanwhile imagine how many IDF patients could be saved if VShojo did not steal the money

>>103221515
Nijisanji tried to kill someone in particular, and even tried at least once more after actually firing her. Vshojo effectively slashed the tires of an ambulette and poured sugar and dish soap into the fuel tank.
As bad as Vshojo is, Nijisanji is worse.

>>103220749
CIA

>>103221756
I'm not a sister but saying Niji is worse than VShojo is factually wrong. Imagine the trolley case and the 1 person lane is Niji while the 5 person lane is VShojo. Niji messed up 1 or 2 livers, whereas VShojo not only fucked with their entire roaster but also decent amount of indies who got their dreams and time wasted for a fake audition. Both are shitty, but one is professionally shitty while the other is a complete clown show

>>103220462
>at least Niji makes profit
Sisters should sit this one down.

>>103217252 (OP)
>Indies hate dickriding corpos
>Unless it's fucking Amazon
>Then you get an entire thread of them mindlessly smearing twitch opposition
KEK

>>103221885
Oh so it was indies all along defending twitch this whole time? Cringe

>>103221756
Nijisanji didn't try to kill someone, the sociopathic freakshows that they hired did. Subtle difference.

>>103221868
You are a retard if you think Niji is going under. Even when NijiEN got handicapped, their JP branch thrived even more and they gained massive profit from cheaply made merch

The only thing that matters now is whether Cover can overtake Anycolor in revenue this year now that last year proved they made roughly same amount of revenue together

>>103221941
>You are a retard if you think Niji is going under.
I never said that, sister.
I'm saying your company is not much better than VShojo for you to get on your high horse now. Know your place.

>>103217252 (OP)
How is it more moral to support Amazon over some random gambling site? They're one of the most exploitative companies in the world. Are you retarded?

>>103217581
Funny thing is Geega has said several times that she's not smart as she sounds, she just had to train to sound that way so she can regurgitate powerpoint to corporate executives in a way that will make them happy. But everyone around her thinks she's smart because of how much confidence she projects.

>>103218944
Doesn't take away from the fact that Somali's are just like him

>>103217861
No that's saruei

>>103223303
Oh so this is why I can't stand her.
Not an executive, but I've been to way too fucking meetings like that

>>103223303
How can I train myself that way as a man

>>103224153
Real. And they have annexed Minnesota and Maine.

>>103223303
She sounds smart to people? I just thought she sounded kind of boring and generic, like a secretary voice or something. Definitely doesn't make me think someone's smart.

>>103217505
>Not a good judge of character, is she?
Anon, women interpret reality based on feelings acquired from words. They are not interested in the validity, arguments, or voracity of those words.

>>103225393
>voracity

>>103225458
He just likes Myth and Roid, anon. Forgive him, for that song is great.

>>103217322
0 for 2 so far...
The saddest part is she's probably serious since I don't doubt they did SOME things good despite being a gigantic fucking scam overall, just like vshojo.

>>103217594
>If your company suspiciously gives you too much revenue without asking how they earn profit themselves then you set yourself in either a soon-dead company or a shady money laundering one that got backed by the Saudis
Brave Group...
V4Mirai...

Honestly I don't mind the latter case. Money laundering sucks and is probably blood money and all, but Dr. Nova(e) is happy and has a bunch of 3D models.

>>103225458
Oops I meant an e not an o.

>>103219045
This but unironically.

>>103219514
Wait so did she mean you should or should not go to the GTARP bubble on kick?

>>103218195
I don't think slurs are allowed technically but I haven't read their TOS, I'm just going by the streamers I've seen on there.

>>103217252 (OP)
>a literal front for international money laundering
>it's better than twitch bro it's not woke
jesas just die already america

>>103217252 (OP)
>dude MSM is so good!
>dude Vshojo is so good!
>dude kick is so good!
Going by her track record it's best to avoid anything she touches and endorses.

>>103217912
It’s been said multiple times by some of their business associates that leadership were a bunch of retards who never ran a business before.

>>103222524
Rent free phasechud

It's another get mad at a thumbnail without watching the video thread. Classic.

>>103217252 (OP)
Geega and her chat seemed to think the internet should be a safespace. Fuck that. I would rather that we have everything on a platform including dumb or horrible shit than to have a bunch of two-faced asshole executives acting as moral police while giving their favored content creators lenient treatment. Twitch already steals from paying subscribers by banning them for weeks at a time if they make a joke in a chat box some Twitch employee disliked resulting in the subscription going to waste.
I say shut down Twitch and have everyone move to Kick or Rumble. I would say Youtube but their chat box has a robot that prevents comments from showing up just cause of "muh trigger words."
Free speech is an unalienable right. Nobody should get censored on a site that gets protections from the Federal Government even if nothing productive comes from someone's online rant.
Oh and before anyone tries to use the "amusement park" analogy, real life harassment is not comparable to online banter. The internet has block features for good reason.

>>103226105
>Waaaah why aren't you worshipping Amazon!?!?

>>103220059
>>103219924
bitch aint even a millionaire

>>103226645
Sister, I would be ashamed to comment on this site if I were you. Have some self awareness.

>>103226790
Thanks for your input Kick exec

>>103217252 (OP)
It’s funny because Kick temporarily banned furries and women from showing cleavage over an inch but had to back peddle

>>103217252 (OP)
Yet another important time to remind you faggots that Geega is a glowie and to not trust anything she endorses.

>>103222551
Amazon exploits the third world by employing children in sweatshops to make cheap plastic crap for aging boomers to consoom.
Kick exploits the first world by scamming those aging boomers' grandkids out of their inheritance through gambling and crypto rugpulls.

Both are evil but that's why first worlders(especially streamerbrained redditors) hate Kick and tolerate Amazon. Because one is a material threat to their geopolitical caste and the other is just an arm of American imperialism murdering brown children in some far off country they'll never see.

>>103217252 (OP)
Vshojo fags truly do oshi a website

geega is a chud? didn't expect her of all people to be the one funneling vtuber fans into the alt right version of twitch

>>103229861
Amazon exploits the first world by letting small businesses sell their shit on their platform and then copying it, banning them and selling it themselves when it get popular to take their customers. They actively undermine the middle class and prevent upward economic movement. Twitch also preys on the same group of young lonely men with their female "streamers" dedicated to coomer shit and barely-not-a-stripper streams, targeting a biological and emotional vulnerability to sap their money out of them in an identical fashion as Kick does gambling.
Obviously the fact is they're both bad, it's just that Twitch and Amazon just have better PR. At this point since we learned vshojo was astroturfing this place I wouldn't put it past them to stick some interns on here to shill them and talk down competition as well.

>MSM is great guys
>vshojo is great guys
Surely the third time is the charm
Geega is the perfect example of "retarded people pretending to be smart" always talks a lot and yet falls into the she most simple tricks or self sabotages herself.

>>103231830
I want her to keep doing it. I like watching her constantly being proven wrong

>>103217322
I don't keep up with this stuff. Who and what is MSM? What did they do?

>>103230708
I actually watched her casually before the chud vibes became apparent. I think she's probably fiscally conservative but stupid, which tracks

>>103230708
Nah, she's just a living, breathing Dunning Kruger effect. That might give her "chud" vibes, but she isn't political, just perennially living at the top of "mount stupid"

>>103217252 (OP)
>gambling powered
As opposed to simp powered Twitch?
Both equally shit

>>103234552
People who always have strong opinions on things they have very little knowledge of are like mosquitos to a bug zapper with politics.

>>103231427
>Amazon exploits the first world by letting small businesses sell their shit on their platform and then copying it, banning them and selling it themselves when it get popular to take their customers. They actively undermine the middle class and prevent upward economic movemen
That's just a feature of Capitalism tho
If the smaller parasite didn't want they bigger parasite to eat their lunch then they should've played the game better ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>Indies
>Morals
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>103234203
Agency that was revealed to be shitty and run by a pretty shitty person. There's a lotmore to it but that's the gist. People posting that vid are retarded though because one of the things established very early on in the MSM saga is that the big talents were treated very very differently from the smaller ones. Geega was one of their biggest so she was unaware that she was getting the VIP treatment while the smaller talents were the ones being abused by higher ups. Same thing happened with Aethelstan who was another one of their big talents and even considered himself a friend of Seth, the founder of MSM before it all came to light.

>>103217367
>this is a reason not to use kick
hello who is hasan
>>103217861
>>103218663
>>103218858
Forced meme is forced, kys. Nobody actually says this but (You)

>>103238832
wtf I loved Sseth