indies are so lovely, /lig/ truly won

>>103366163 (OP)
It's all sexpests and backstabbing whores, and always has been.

>>103366163 (OP)
holy yap just press the stream button bro

>indies
I don't care about "indies", I only watch Minto and her friends, i.e. Doki, Dooby and Saba, and would probably watch Snuffy and Laimu as well if they streamed on youtube.

>>103366163 (OP)
>women without control are backstabbing bitches
Who would have thought, there's a reason indies aren't considered vtubers.

>>103366163 (OP)
is it true that without some sort of guiding/organizing force they would just crash and burn? why?

>>103366497
tick tock

>people with the bigger sob story
Sorry champ, you're not going to find athletes in a hobby that locks you in a room for hours on end. Ya gotta deal with the cripples. I know, I know, it sucks but hang in there Rainy. You can be inspiring too by persevering through your mood swings.

>>103366218

>>103366644
SHAMONE

>>103366416
>Minto
having sex with connor

Kek!!

>whole genre is based around being an anime girl
>wanting to have sex with 3D women

>>103366786
I guess you're judging by your mother that has sex with every bum she meets, but not every women is like that.

>>103367088
I hope not every women is ESL either

>>103366459
Without clear structure, rules and direction, all the shit you need to work as a big team, it's not a guarantee but without those it's doomed to fail which is why "indie unity big family" doesn't exist, corpo isn't your friend but these random indies ain't your friend either and more likely to backstab you.

>>103367113
Whatever, you still understand me.

>>103366163 (OP)
dont know who this is but I'm just going to assume that she's having a melty because she got flamed for having a boyfriend and now she's mad about it

>>103367207
Dez lal det mannurs finni

>>103366459
When you're part of a group it is in the groups best interest to not fight with each other as much as possible because they leads to it destroying itself. when you are own your own everyone is your enemy even soft alliances. Anyone you don't own anything with is your direct competition every dollar they are making from someone is a dollar you are not.

>>103366163 (OP)
While I'm sure there is some truth to what she's saying, I get the feeling (particularly the repeated reference to the "big dogs") that she's primarily angry that after 5.5 years she's still a 2view and is simply jealous.

>>103367419
She can be jealous and right at the same time y'know

wao... this is fucked up lol

I'm a small indie two-view and i have fun in the indie scene.

There's alot of crazies and dramafags, hyper political ticking timebombs and jealousy (yes crab bucket mentality is real) but if you put in the effort to surround yourself with kind people it can really be worth your while.
I have a small but loving community and friends that made me last all these years.

For me whats most important is entertainment and i still have alot of work to do to achieve my goals.

There's no time nor patience for high school drama for me.

>>103367621
I think this is the thing. Surely there are so many small chuubas out there it's possible to find some like minded ones like you say you have done; I get the feeling the one in OP is a lot like those she's criticising which is why she's surrounded by them. It's like people who complain about drama in their personal lives almost always being the most insane drama-seeking retards.

The people crying about cliques and getting in with bigger streamers are double talking backstabbing hoes every single one of them.
They are literally trying to do what they complain about but failing and that enrages them.

If you actually cared about being entertaining and community you would be building that not looking at who is successful and vague posting about them.

The sexpest thing is a societal issue not a vtubing issue and is exacerbated both by age demographics of streamers and the isolationist nature of sitting in a room for half the day by yourself.

>>103366163 (OP)

Is this indies everywhere or just Americans? Ngl I would kill a bitch too if me and my family's access to healthcare was on the line.

>>103367957
when you reach a certain size, usually twitch partner all the snakes and clout farmers crawl out of the woodworm so this thing doesn't happen as much with 2views

https://youtu.be/ADXemWn5NGQ?si=3Jrj92LynxjS-29f
FRIENDSHIP WITH DOOBY IS BROKEN
THE TAPIR GOES UNSPOKEN
WHICH SCHIZO RRAT IS THERE TO BLAME

MY OSHI IS PREGNANT
I’M ON ANTIDEPRESSANTS
I'M CRYING AND SCREAMING HER NAME

A FEELING OF DREAD
AVENGERS IS DEAD
IT'S ONLY THE (You)S THAT I FEEL

MY MENTAL STATE'S TOAST
AS I SIT DOWN AND POST
THE VOICES IN MY HEAD, I KNEEL

THERE WILL BE C U C K CHAIR
I FORGOT TO TAKE MY FUCKING MEDS

THE ONLY C U C K LEFT
I’LL WATCH MISTER NIGHTMARE FUCK HER IN MY STEAD

BECAUSE NIMI MIGHT TWEET ANOTHER LORE DROP WHEN SHE WAKES
OH NO
THERE WILL BE C U C K CHAIR
IT'S THE ONLY THING I'VE EVER KNOWN

LOSING ALL MY MONEY TO CHARITY
WONDERING HAVE I GONE INSANE
TO FIND THE TRUTH IN FRONT OF ME
SHE JUST TWEETED, “JUST MARRIED UUU” OGEY
SCROLLING UPWARD THROUGH THIS GARBAGE THREAD
I RESPOND TO BAITS AND HANG MY HEAD

>>103366163 (OP)
>Grr everyone is backstabbing EVERY DAY
>No I won't name any of them
Stop vagueposting!

>>103368410
Best to use Wizebot and be done with it.

>>103366163 (OP)
this woman is almost guaranteed a snake herself and projecting

why are women so surprised that men want to try to fuck them

>>103366218
Lmao that one troon going on about how all the men are -totally- crazy for his diseased ass, yeah OK buddy.

Kinda discredits the rest of the screencap.

>>103366163 (OP)
>People with a bigger sob story & a larger audience will always win
SHE'S CALLING OUT IRONMOUSE

ZylpheRenuis was right about Pikame/Henya.

>>103368864
there's a name I haven't seen in a long time

>>103366163 (OP)
>industry
It's really about the money with those girls isn't it?

I personally know more than 1 vtuber who has been super nice and kind in public but evil and mega bitchy in private

>>103368410
Yea vagueposting is legitimately one of the hated things ever, if someone is that bad you should warn others with proper proof

>>103366163 (OP)
You can just @ them @mint @doki

>>103366163 (OP)
this is a literally who even by indiefag standards

>>103366163 (OP)
No one cares about actual indies nowadays. Even among indie fans, the Indie Avengers (tm) already took the spotlight

I don't get why corpo fans attack all of indies when that's where they get their talents from. If you want indies to disappear you are fucking dumb.

>>103369465
Most corpo fans don't give enough of a fuck about "all of indies" to attack them

>>103369465
they're women.

>>103369489
Well the corpos themselves sure care about them

>>103366218
I mean nothing compares to the assholes grooming 1 or 2 views just so they can create "their perfect waifus". Its disguting all the way to the bottom. Its shocking to me that there are threads seething about the sexpests while have a dedicated thread to letting the groomers find an audience or share these vtubers between themselves. We basically have the "whores" who are smart enough to control the audience or the "waifus" who are so naive that they get trafficked on /vt/ and discord.

The faggot from nijisanji was an awkward retard who wanted to find pussy inside the company and everybody shuns him but we have threads every day about sharing your newfound grooming target

>>103368921
Literal who?

>>103370102
insane male vtuber that paid $4000 for a faceless model that streams every day to literally 0 people

>>103366163 (OP)
maybe she wouldn’t be a 2 view after 5 years if she cared more about her fans instead of brown nosing with cliques and trying to make friends like it’s high school. It’s actually crazy how few indies give a shit about the people ACTUALLY supporting them

>>103366163 (OP)
This is only found in the EN Vtubing space btw.

>>103370125
All I heard is that he paid $1K to The Art Gun, doesn't speak, and doesn't stream much anymore. As in doesn't Vtube anymore.
He doesn't stream everyday.

>>103370254
he paid for a model that has no face, sort of pointless for a vtuber

>>103370279
Has eyes no mouth. Seems in his nature to be silent rather than diarrhea from the mouth like all Vtubers have nowadays.

>>103370227
And largely only on the female/"female" side.

>>103370306
I Have No Mouth But I Must Stream

I rather have a Vtuber that is soft spoken/limited speaking than that of one that constantly speaks. Dunno about you guys but being energetic and confrontational doesn't make for a good Vtuber.

>>103368410
Anon the entire point is that there are too many to name, and this isn't about exactly what any of them did but the overall culture. When some /pol/tard starts complaining about insert race here, you don't expect him to start naming individuals yeah?

>>103369619
The groomers are also sexpests. They make threads seething about more popular male chuubas to DARVO.

>>103370362
retarded cope

>>103370198
>It’s actually crazy how few indies give a shit about the people ACTUALLY supporting them
Anon if you have say 30 people actually supporting you, then paying more attention to those people doesn't make more of them appear. It's not like they're a bacterial colony or something.

>>103370341

>>103370423
because nothing grows viewership like being ungrateful and not caring about the people watching you. great point anon, I’m sure her discord DMs are a much better thing to worry about!

Viewers don't support Indies anyways. Always corporate.

So, after reading this thread, i understand that these vtubers biggest problem is that they're using twitter.

Why even care how much a person invest in their craft? It's not like you invested towards it. Did you? Shame if you did. But from what I heard is that he got that model from gambling winnings. Not from Viewers donating.
To me that speaks volumes of how he initially got The Art Gun mainstream before Snuffy. Ironmouse and all others to commission her even though those models become unused quite soon after.

>>103370573
Nobody knows or cares about whichever fag you’re talking about

>>103370555
Twitter breeds toxicity so that checks out.

>>103369465
How is this possible? Most people don't even know they exist and the first time they ever heard about them is when they shill themselves or their few fans, and then they got mad when people don't care and start seething about corpo watcher only watch because of the brand and act like their literal who is better than corpo chuuba

>>103366163 (OP)
This is all about Ironmouse

>>103370634
True but literally most of the issues talked in OPs pic would cease to exist by simply deleting twitter.

>>103370652
According to /lig/ the slightest criticism of any indie basically means you want every non corpo chuuba to die.

>>103370681
BlueSkies and YouTube/TikTok would fester in the negativity in its place. There is no bandaid solution to this.

>>103366163 (OP)
It's weird to pretend this is an indie only thing when we know that some of the girls in corpos were whores before joining.

>>103370791
i meant them deleting their accounts.

>>103366163 (OP)
>Western normie women backstabbing and lying to each other constantly
Who could have predicted this?

>>103370681
Or she could stop being a dumb foid and focus on herself?

>>103370898
That would also require her not wasting time on twatter y'know

>>103366163 (OP)
>erm /lig/bros???
>posts irrelevant vtweeter
Every time

Would be great if vtubers would start making content and create fun moments instead of chasing clout and drama

>>103368516
How is it surprising that a troon is appropriating a common and well known aspect of womanhood? That doesn't mean real women don't experience sexual harassment.

>>103370887
Doesn't matter. There's discord and other channels in which Vtubers fester toxicity. Even deleting their accounts just leads to another to replace and do the same thing all over again.

>>103370975
Would be great if viewers start actually financially supporting streamers that make said content that don't chase clout and drama for mere micro-celebrityism.

>>103370996
THat's why one curates their community and keeps the community in a place where they have a handle on all going ons.

>>103366497
Cute mouse.

>>103370958
Yeah because the only relevant liggers are former corpos RUMAO

>>103370822
If by joining corpo makes them a better person then doesn't that mean it's indie only thing?

>>103371127
No, it just means they aren't desperate enough for money anymore to pleasure old japanese men for money.

>>103371044
Yeah I don't trust Ironmouse nor any Ex-Vshojo in regards of current going ons. If anything they were contributing to the whole scandal that Vshojo has done and took 5+ years to get it shut down rather than on its inception. They received their communities calling themselves "family" and from what I know of any workplace that says their "Family" is that there will always be violence in the household.

So class what have we learned today about ENVtubers?

>>103371168
I was talking about low views tho, liggers are a lost cause, not worth fixin anymore.

>>103366644
michael

>>103371285
Careful, you can get banned for that lel

>>103368864
qrd?

>>103369619
>I mean nothing compares to the assholes grooming 1 or 2 views just so they can create "their perfect waifus".
>B... BUT THOSE VIEWERS ARE JUST AS BAD
Silence male vtuber, you arent going to deflect your way out of it.

>>103371301
I'm only talking about her cat disrupting a stream... tee hee

>>103371158
What are talking about? The indie whore themselves out?

>>103371336
He was one of the Vtubers who spoke out of the whole graduation stick back in 2022 and was glad that Pikame was graduating, this was during the whole scandal with Hogwarts and people thought he was trans. Basically alot of Pikame fandom were offended big time and doxxed him even though he purely said that they were just quitting one identity for another to trick their Fanbase.
He got attacked for speaking out the toxic nature of Indies turning corporate. He also spoke out of Zentreya and Ironmouse influence on the EnVtuber scene and that they abuse the other Vtubers behind scenes on their discords and such. Needless to say, Pikame became Henya and the money kept going into the black company called Vshojo. He tried to warn all the others about them but no. Everyone had wool over their eyes by how virtuous they seemed and attacked the no named 1K indie male Vtuber. He now has no Twitter account and his BlueSky is just inactive except for a few posts in regards of the latest corporate shut down.

>>103371345
No, retard...what i said is that they are worse. Its objectively worse. One is an awkward cringe thing where you get turned down by another individual, the other is manipulation of a person who is somewhat depending on your views to become more like you want.
So no, they are actually worse.

>>103371544
Tl;Dr: Corporate whores gonna whore and Indies deserve to stay indie.

>>103371544
thanks anon

>>103371027
For sure! It's sad most of the ones getting the fame and attention are the one feeding on drama to survive

>>103371585
>One is an awkward cringe thing where you get turned down by another individual
One is trying to create a professional connection to leverage into sex. If they just wanted to sexpest normally, you can do it as a viewer without having to go to the effort of buying a model and streaming; it is explicitly an evolved form.

>>103366163 (OP)
Since she won't name names, this is just an appeal for attention and virtue signaling.

>>103371661
Its literally how it goes in real life. People get into positions close to the person and then get shot down and mind their own business. One is an awkward shitty situation while is other is literally grooming. The fact that it seems to fly over your head is worrying

>>103371674
See>>103370362

>>103371629
https://youtu.be/6dse2zav5Jo?si=jc_vYCkYmJLDWMhv
Basically blown out of proportion and this is how the drama happened. Cherry picking. You can see how murderous intent the fans have in regards of wanting to kill Zylphe because of his comment.

Don't ever tell the Fanbase their Waifu is shit.

>>103370652
>>103370775
Nope, some people come in and talks shit about indies in general, saying some of the most vile shit and seething about the fact indies even exist. See OP.

>>103371674
It's just about stating the obvious to get a hit tweet. And people will always blame but never give name, they don't want to be blacklisted by the top ones

>>103371720
>Its literally how it goes in real life. People get into positions close to the person and then get shot down and mind their own business
That is a delusional view of real life

>>103371824
In the thread about people upset that they aren't vtubers because surely thats how they get the vtuber to become their girlfriends? Pretty ironic

>>103370652
Also I said indies in general not specific indies you fucking troglodyte

>>103371788
>Went to see the male Vtuber streaming page
>Played Gal Guardians: Demon Purge and has him finding panties and girls running about in a short Castlevania like game
>No Vtuber model
At least he is gaming. Most likely a sex pest though considering the content he is playing.

>>103371907
He is embracing his cringe. Not resenting it. At first I thought he was a holier-then-thou Male streamer but I was wrong. Then again. Why the fuck does he have over 4k games on his steam account.

>>103370362
The /pol/tard analogy really doesn't help your case. Those guys are least have cherrpicked graphs to point to.

>>103366163 (OP)
>I don't think people realize how much back stabbing & bullshit
Yes, we all realize it, now take it, pretend to be happy or quit

>>103371788
>Don't ever tell the Fanbase their Waifu is shit.
kek I only have to link one post to make them seethe >>12625224

>>103372439
Oh right the Tea App. I forgot that was hacked.

>>103371544
WTF he sounds based. He actually foretold the downfall of Vshojo?

>>103372439
I'm confused about why this would make fans of her seethe, it seems to just be her discussing merch. I guess I'm missing something.

>>103371794
>Indies in general
First you claim corpo fans attack all of indies, now you're saying "in general" as if it's gonna make it any better, you sound like a retard that unironically think indies are one entity, one big group and all of them are connected each other so you're defending indie as if it's one identity, moron with victim complex

>>103366163 (OP)
I'll throw my two cent into things I've noticed:
- the newstubers or dramatubers will nose guard for certain people they like and a yab story involving those people will get treated differently vs from a smaller or less liked vtuber committing the same yab, not all newstubers do this but a good chuck

- many vtubers--even the larger ones--who are "big fans" of other larger vtubers are always glazing the vtubers who are likely to answers back or are more open to collab. Even if a vtuber is very popular but they are more reserved or don't allow for leeching the other vtubers don't acknowledge them like the glazed up ones and suddenly aren't hidden fans of those more reserved vtubers

- there are big blocks of vtuber cliques and they have different relationships with each other for reasons I'm not sure of yet. For example there is the ex-vshojo block and a Phase block and the ex-vshojo vtubers are a lot more friendlier with the Niji EN block vs Holo block but many of the Phase vtubers prefer people in Holo vs Niji and this is before the Selen stuff?

>>103373075
>Ignores the fact that the entire thread is attacking indies in general

>>103366218
The irony is that picrel matches up perfectly with what op posted.

>>103373278
I forgot to add that it's the people who do this who think indies are a monolith

>>103366163 (OP)
Isn't this what that guy everyone here hates said already using sharks and fish/minnows as an analogy or something?

>>103372995
she took the trump vaccine despite all her supposed needle phobia and not getting a vaxx for her allergies

The only one seething is you, pikaschizo

>indiepill
>it's some random friendless BPD /soc/nigger with an average of 8 viewers (all of whom are also vtubers)
That wasn't the indie you were supposed to watch

>>103373992
>shore
What is this ESL trying to say when he says this? Chore?

>>103371544
The truthnuke simps here aren’t willing to swallow is that pikamee intentionally orchestrated the whole thing. She knew she was on her way out of VOMS and was going into vshojo. She knew there was outrage about hoglegs, she threw herself into the fire on purpose to make a scene about it to get more attention for her debut. She’s half American and knew there was a huge culture war issue about it.

If you really a tinfoil rrat, vshojo might have paid a few people to fan the flames and harass her too or get people mad about the trannies. Especially since silvervale did the same woe is me grift. Vei said vshojo paid people to post here and control the narrative, why can’t they have done the same for this?

It’s why I stopped watching her. Anyone with any degree of intelligence could see it.

I don’t care if you hate or love trannies. But stop simping for these obviously sociopathic women holy shit.

>>103373278
Attacking how? People are just making fun of the indie scene that some of ligger shills think it's better and everyone should take the indiepill lol

>>103374091
You're a goddamn retard liggerworm

>>103374203
Idk he's in the thread though if you wanna ask him

>>103374308
It's a tweet about how the entire indie scene is toxic and you should avoid it retard

>>103374275
>woe is me grift
pika barely said anything about the whole thing
>Vei said vshojo paid people to post here and control the narrative
she did not
>It’s why I stopped watching her
you never did
>Anyone with any degree of intelligence
this category does not include you

>>103372439
5 year window, wasn't it? Tik-tok, fag.

>>103374534
C'mon now, Vei did infact say that

>>103374275
Shut up schizo she brings up harry potter randomly on streams and rambles about it for half an hour.
You never watched her stop lying fucking troon.

>>103374596
she said that the COO posted about her being greedy or whatever which you turdie weirdoes somehow extrapolated into there being a whole shill operation

DAMN IT FEELS GOOD TO BE LIGGERMAN

>>103374845
This post is now DMCAd by Saruei

>>103374675
your reply proves it's a shill operation :)

>>103366163 (OP)
>>103366218
The women are crab bucket whores without a shred of good will if they're at the top because that's how they got there
The men are lonely sex pests who felt it was the path of least resistance to fucking female vtubers
This is why contractually obligated tard wrangling is necessary. Humans are animals and vtubers are mentally ill animals

>>103374534
Why shill for vshojo? It's not like they can pay you anymore, dude.

>>103374464
It's called the truth and if you got offended that you feel attacked by it then it's a you problem, retard

>>103366163 (OP)
She's talking about fallenshadow
Fits her perfectly

>>103366163 (OP)
Indies live in a constant state of WAR (without a corpo power to keep them in awe). Such a war as is a war of every indie against every indie . For war consists not in battle only, or the act of fighting, but in a tract of time, where the will to contend by battle is sufficiently known… so the nature of war consists not in actual fighting, but in the known disposition to war during all the time there is no assurance to the contrary. This is why they need a corpo power to rule over them. This ruling power is called Leviathan

>>103366218
I bet these same people don't say no to the hot and/or super successful male streamers.
Even that Yukime person.

>>103366163 (OP)
The actual best advice is take the vtubing is fucking trash now pls find anything else to do with your time pill
shitposting here is more fun than watching any of this shit these days