Thread 103694182

I'm calling it now. This big empire that expands by buying out small corpos will crumble in the same VShojo fashion and it will solidify Niji and Holo as the only big agencies in the entire industry

>>103694182 (OP)
I just hope Bonnie keeps her model, goes indie and starts fansly

Brave itself isn't a vtuber company, it's like Sony or whatever, vtubers are only a small part of their portfolio. Could they decide to shut down their entire vtuber division? Sure, I guess, though VSPO is certainly profitable even if nothing else is. Could their vtuber division actually cause the company to go bankrupt? No, it's too small of a fraction of their business.

>>103694182 (OP)
Everybody already knows Brave Group is black company. It is a 2 way street tho because vtubers who have a clue treat them like a pump and dump. Sign on for a year or 2, get into the small corpo friend circle support system, cultivate a fanbase, then leave and start your life as a 100ccv indie who is now in the vsmp horde

You dont know anything about Brave do you OP.

>>103694208
yes please https://files.catbox.moe/y08mrt.mp4

>>103694182 (OP)
You know Brave Group have been around for a long time and they actually make money, right? They stay afloat by quickly abandoning failed projects like starting an European vtuber company.

>>103694182 (OP)
>Could their vtuber division actually cause the company to go bankrupt? No, it's too small of a fraction of their business
Last time I heard about this company, they are VTuber agency at core and what laid foundation for this company. What do you mean they can exist without VTubers? It's like saying Cover can disband Hololive and still exists thanks to HoloEarth

>>103694271
>Brave itself isn't a vtuber company
That's a lie anon, they were literally called Virtual Youtuber when they were first founded https://bravegroup.co.jp/en/company/
Vtubers was always their focus, first and foremost. Everything else on their portfolio was picked up or started to be an element (like their mocap studio) to support the vtubers under them

>>103694340
No one who makes catalog threads does. Even a cursory look at the main corporate website isn't enough to give you the full picture. You need to do a deep dive to actually figure it out.
>>103695331
For posterity, you aren't wrong but their IP platforms regarding media production is making way more money than their Vtubing division. It's basically the opposite situation of >>103694742 where Cover's tech side failed but Vtubing side took off, the opposite is true currently of Brave just with a different structure.

>>103694182 (OP)
They're still irrelevant in the west, people only notice them because literally every other small corp aside from Phase has already died.

https://catr.jp/companies/22398/76256

deficit

>>103694182 (OP)
Brave has forever money from other businesses they have. Nothing is going to crumble.

>>103699600
they're dead in the water, none of their en brands have any hype or momentum whatsoever

>>103699654
stop talking about Brave if you are just going to strawman the EN divisions idiot

>>103697645
They’ve been operating in the red for five consecutive years, and it looks like they’re burning through their VC funding at a rapid pace.

>>103694182 (OP)
as long as they have stellive and VSPO they're fine

>>103694271
it's therefore subject to being bought or merged at any time

If they can live through the Game-bu controversy then they will be fine. They’re not as big as Niji is in the west for people to care too much about the cracks forming but they’re also not as small as VAllure for the fallout to completely shutter them, if that makes sense.

>>103694182 (OP)
Not again Blud ToT

>>103695331
> Virtual YouTuber Inc
How did they get away with it? Youtube is a trademark you can't just use it in your company name

>>103699863
Since >>103697645 let most of the cat out of the bag, I'll play my cards into the discussion. They have more capital than the entirety of the small corpo space combined and now that we've learned about it, even some of the bigger companies in the space by a good margin, The fact the company and its subsidiaries don't make a show of what they had and advertise like some other past corpos that did and they have profitable businesses means they can keep doing what they are doing even with failed branches and missteps even though some of my oshis are affected by this and I don't like how they do management with the money they do have but they can keep stuff running with good enough staff.
>>103707250
They didn't, that's why they renamed themselves to Unlimited Inc. just a little over a year after incorporating.

>>103694182 (OP)
I just hope Nova gets to keep her model if your schizo rambling is ever true. I like her a lot despite her being a little retarded.

>>103694182 (OP)
VSPO will keep them afloat

The EA of Vtubers.

>>103694208
This but Mono.

So far, Brave Group will survive thanks to VSpo!, Stellive, Neo-Porte, Riot Music, and HIMEHINA.

V4Mirai might also survive, but I have to give it 50/50.

The financial report for last year should come out at the end of this month, but I don’t see how they can make a profit. Sometimes negative revenue means heavy investment, but their recent moves don’t look good. They opened a shop in Haneda in 2024 and already closed it. Now they even call a single stand in a random store their storefront.
VSPO is profitable, but I still don’t think they’re in a great spot. Their streaming side can’t compete with Hololive, and their gaming side relies too much on CR.

>>103713136
Their only shot is the upcoming VSpo! Fes. If that's a bust, it's all over!

>>103713136
>>103714068
Pretty bold move (or a stupid one) for Brave to make Vspo fes and only invited Vspo members. They don't fully utilize their massive talent pool from other agencies and they put all eggs into a group that is still a blip in JP viewership radar. They would be more successful if they made Brave fes instead

Maybe lower spending cost can somehow decrease the negative revenue impact but I don't see it making even a fifth of Holofes revenue

>their gaming side relies too much on CR
lol
>VSpo! Fes. If that's a bust, it's all over!
>bold move (or a stupid one) for Brave to make Vspo fes and only invited Vspo
lmao
'log threads discussing vspo are always a RIOT

>>103694275

You are full of "fake news".

Sad. So sad.

>>103694543
brave "europe" is UK only

>>103715470
why would it be a stupid move? most JP's don't watch EN stuff, and the JP market is a lot bigger than the EN market anyway

>>103716392
Give me an example of successful vspo initiate event then

>>103714068
They also have VSpo anime upcoming

>>103716885
all of their offline events, starting from 神田明神
a better question is why you're posting like you know anything about vspo/brave, when 3 minutes with google would give the average idiot a better understanding than what you've written

>>103712018
The smart thing that Brabe can do is merge V4mirai with Chromashift. Well. If they are smart.

>>103694182 (OP)
They're not going to go under because they hold IPs hostage and require a lump sum of cash to let them go. Buy company liquidate repeat. They nearly never lose money because they pay so little for these corpos.

>>103694182 (OP)
>and it will solidify Niji and Holo as the only big agencies
aint you forgetting about someone?

>>103717441
Fishman on top

I don't understand the point of this thread. This along with the Clio one have been the biggest bait that leads no where kind of retarded shit.

Like other anons have been saying just research for 5 mins. VSPO is a success and Brave itself did shitty things but has been stable for 2-3 years now letting the smaller companies do their own thing.

>>103717388
That's the worst thing they can do. Idol fans are already mad with the Chromshit rebrand, now you'd also piss the V4mirai fans

>>103717441
try having a bigger presence in Japan.
Niji and Holo will remain the the top 2.

>>103717874
How can a company that’s never turned a profit be called stable?

VSPO is quite big, but they have no synergy with any Brave Group brand. Like I said, they’re basically living off CR’s orbit. Having their own event is better since it strengthens their brand, and I don’t see why it wouldn’t be successful. Even then, if Brave Group’s financial status doesn’t improve, VSPO alone can’t carry the whole burden.
What vspofags don’t understand is the weakness in VSPO right now. They survive by combining two niches, which is good enough to make them a second-tier group, but if they can’t build up their own platform, it won’t end well in the long run. The best thing that could happen to them is probably getting bought out by CR.

>>103720108
what larpers don't understand is nobody cares about their vtuber corpo manager larp

>>103720497
Still thin-skinned as ever. So this is what makes you the VShojo of the East.

>>103695331
>their IP platforms regarding media production
any example of their non vtuber successful IP?

>>103699654
>en brands
the entire en market is fucking negligible